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15:07:24 <FrancoisBry> please list conferences
15:07:43 <FrancoisBry> zakim, please list conferences
15:07:43 <Zakim> I see VB_VBWG()10:00AM, SYMM_WG()10:00AM, SW_BPD(rdfxhtml)10:00AM active
15:07:46 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are WS_DBWG()10:00AM, WAI_TIES()10:00AM, SW_DAWG()9:30AM
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15:09:00 <FrancoisBry> Zakim, who is here?
15:09:00 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has not yet started, FrancoisBry
15:09:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see Donald, RRSAgent, Zakim, FrancoisBry, sandro, mdean
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15:30:09 <ChrisW> sandro, you there?
15:30:33 <bill> Chris, I seemed to have figured it all out.  Thanks.
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15:31:50 <FrancoisBry> zakim, who is here? 
15:31:50 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has not yet started, FrancoisBry
15:31:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see ChrisW, FrancoisBry, Harold, PhilippeBonnard, MinsuJang, DavidHirtle, Donald, RRSAgent, Zakim, sandro, mdean
15:31:59 <bill> bill has joined #rif
15:32:33 <bill> howdy
15:32:43 <bill> I need a better nickname....
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15:33:07 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
15:33:07 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:34:12 <PhilippeBonnard> Zakim, who is here?
15:34:12 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has not yet started, PhilippeBonnard
15:34:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see deepalik, bill, ChrisW, FrancoisBry, Harold, PhilippeBonnard, MinsuJang, DavidHirtle, Donald, RRSAgent, Zakim, sandro, mdean
15:34:29 <FrancoisBry> zakim, agenda?
15:34:29 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
15:39:39 <FrancoisBry> zakim, who is here? 
15:39:39 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has not yet started, FrancoisBry
15:39:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see deepalik, bill, ChrisW, FrancoisBry, Harold, PhilippeBonnard, MinsuJang, DavidHirtle, Donald, RRSAgent, Zakim, sandro, mdean
15:39:57 <FrancoisBry> zakim, who attends rif? 
15:39:57 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, FrancoisBry.
15:40:03 <sandro> FrancoisBry, I wouldn't expect us to use Zakim's agenda management yet.....
15:40:34 <FrancoisBry> Sandro, please what is the command to answer to you only? 
15:43:08 <sandro> FrancoisBry, to IRC someone privately, you usually do "/msg <name> <text>".   I don't know if Zakim will answer privately, though.
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15:47:48 <FrancoisBry> zakim, who is here? 
15:47:48 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has not yet started, FrancoisBry
15:47:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see PhilippeB, PaulaP, MarkusK, deepalik, bill, ChrisW, FrancoisBry, Harold, MinsuJang, DavidHirtle, Donald, RRSAgent, Zakim, sandro, mdean
15:49:15 <sandro> I think we have about two more minutes before people can start calling in.
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15:51:56 <aharth> hi, i'm scribing today... anything I have to do to get the final notes from zakim?
15:52:27 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started
15:52:34 <Zakim> +Sandro
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15:53:17 <Zakim> +ChrisW
15:53:29 <sandro> The notes are managed by rrsagent, not Zakim.     There's a command for it, after the meeting, something like "rrsagent, create minutes" although that's not exactly it.   It probably wont be good enough, but it's worth a try.
15:53:43 <csma> csma has joined #rif
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15:54:00 <aharth> ok i'll try later
15:54:11 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:54:18 <Zakim> +Allen_Ginsberg
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15:54:33 <MarkusK> IPcaller is me
15:54:42 <sandro> zakim, IPcaller is MarkusK
15:54:42 <Zakim> +MarkusK; got it
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15:55:09 <MarkusK> zakim, mute me
15:55:09 <Zakim> MarkusK should now be muted
15:55:10 <Zakim> +??P19
15:55:18 <Allen> zakin, mute me
15:55:41 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
15:55:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, MarkusK (muted), Allen_Ginsberg, ??P19
15:55:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see ora, AxelPolleres, igor, csma, JeremyCarroll, aharth, Allen, PhilippeB, PaulaP, MarkusK, deepalik, bill, ChrisW, FrancoisBry, Harold, MinsuJang, DavidHirtle, Donald,
15:55:46 <PhilippeB> Zakim, +??P19 is me
15:55:46 <Zakim> sorry, PhilippeB, I do not recognize a party named '+??P19'
15:55:48 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, Zakim, sandro, mdean
15:56:01 <PhilippeB> Zakim, ??P19 is me
15:56:01 <Zakim> +PhilippeB; got it
15:56:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:56:13 <PhilippeB> Zakim, mute me
15:56:13 <Zakim> PhilippeB should now be muted
15:56:20 <Zakim> +??P22
15:56:22 <sandro> zakim, IPcaller is BillAnderson
15:56:22 <Zakim> +BillAnderson; got it
15:56:32 <csma> zakim, P22 is me
15:56:32 <Zakim> sorry, csma, I do not recognize a party named 'P22'
15:56:33 <sandro> zakim ??P22 is Christian
15:56:42 <Zakim> +Ora_Lassila
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15:56:55 <sandro> zakim, ??P22 is Christian
15:56:55 <Zakim> +Christian; got it
15:57:15 <Allen> zakim, ??P19 is me
15:57:15 <Zakim> +Andreas_Harth
15:57:15 <ora> zakim, mute me 
15:57:16 <Zakim> +??P28
15:57:18 <Zakim> I already had ??P19 as PhilippeB, Allen
15:57:19 <Zakim> Ora_Lassila should now be muted
15:57:26 <csma> zakim, mute me
15:57:26 <Zakim> sorry, csma, I do not see a party named 'csma'
15:57:37 <Zakim> + +1.781.266.aaaa
15:57:40 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:57:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, MarkusK (muted), Allen_Ginsberg, PhilippeB (muted), BillAnderson, Christian, Ora_Lassila (muted), Andreas_Harth, ??P28, +1.781.266.aaaa
15:57:44 <csma> zakim, Christian is really me
15:57:45 <Zakim> +csma; got it
15:57:52 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:57:52 <csma> zakim, mute me
15:57:52 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
15:57:52 <deepalik> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:57:52 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, IPCaller is me
15:57:53 <sandro> Zakim, ??P28 is FrancoisBry
15:57:54 <Zakim> +deepalik; got it
15:57:55 <FrancoisBry> ??P28 is me
15:57:58 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim mute me
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15:57:59 <Zakim> +JeremyCarroll; got it
15:58:03 <FrancoisBry> zakim, ??P28 is me
15:58:05 <Zakim> +FrancoisBry; got it
15:58:11 <Zakim> I already had ??P28 as FrancoisBry, FrancoisBry
15:58:14 <Guizhen> Guizhen has joined #rif
15:58:18 <FrancoisBry> zakim, mute me
15:58:18 <deepalik> Zakim, mute me
15:58:19 <Zakim> FrancoisBry should now be muted
15:58:21 <Zakim> deepalik should now be muted
15:58:24 <Elisa> Elisa has joined #rif
15:58:26 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:58:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, MarkusK (muted), Allen_Ginsberg, PhilippeB (muted), BillAnderson, csma (muted), Ora_Lassila (muted), Andreas_Harth, FrancoisBry (muted), deepalik
15:58:29 <Zakim> ... (muted), JeremyCarroll
15:58:32 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, mute me
15:58:32 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should now be muted
15:58:49 <Zakim> + +3861477aabb
15:59:02 <Allen> zakim Allen_Ginsberg is me
15:59:06 <igor> zakim aabb is me
15:59:18 <Zakim> +Markus_Krotzsch
15:59:19 <Allen> zakim, Allen_Ginsberg is me
15:59:19 <Zakim> +Allen; got it
15:59:22 <igor> zakim, aabb is me
15:59:22 <Zakim> +igor; got it
15:59:27 <Allen> zakim, mute me
15:59:27 <Zakim> Allen should now be muted
15:59:36 <igor> zakim, mute me
15:59:36 <Zakim> igor should now be muted
15:59:37 <Hassan> Hassan has joined #rif
15:59:41 <FrancoisBry> zakim, who is here? 
15:59:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, MarkusK (muted), Allen (muted), PhilippeB (muted), BillAnderson, csma (muted), Ora_Lassila (muted), Andreas_Harth, FrancoisBry (muted), deepalik
15:59:46 <Zakim> ... (muted), JeremyCarroll (muted), igor (muted), Markus_Krotzsch
15:59:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see Hassan, Elisa, Guizhen, msintek, JeffPan, josb, ora, AxelPolleres, igor, csma, JeremyCarroll, aharth, Allen, PhilippeB, PaulaP, MarkusK, deepalik, bill, ChrisW,
15:59:51 <Hassan> Hassan Ait-Kaci
15:59:51 <Zakim> ... FrancoisBry, Harold, MinsuJang, DavidHirtle, Donald, RRSAgent, Zakim, sandro, mdean
15:59:52 <Zakim> + +43.512.507.aacc
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16:00:10 <Zakim> + +1.631.205.aadd
16:00:16 <sandro> zakim, aacc is AxelPolleres
16:00:16 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it
16:00:17 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aacc is me
16:00:18 <Zakim> sorry, AxelPolleres, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
16:00:18 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
16:00:20 <Zakim> +Deborah_Nichols
16:00:24 <Zakim> + +44.208.789.aaee
16:00:24 <msintek> Zakim, aadd is me
16:00:26 <Zakim> +David_Hirtle
16:00:28 <Zakim> + +1.408.460.aaff
16:00:30 <Zakim> +msintek; got it
16:00:30 <Deborah_Nichols> Deborah_Nichols has joined #rif
16:00:36 <Zakim> + +43.512.507.aagg
16:00:36 <PaulaP> Zakim, aacc is me
16:00:38 <msintek> Zakim, mute me
16:00:38 <Elisa> zakim, please mute me
16:00:40 <Zakim> +[NRCC]
16:00:42 <josb> zakim, aaff is me
16:00:42 <Guizhen> zakim, aaff is me
16:00:44 <Zakim> sorry, PaulaP, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
16:00:46 <Deborah_Nichols> Zakim, aagg is me
16:00:48 <Zakim> msintek should now be muted
16:00:50 <Zakim> Elisa_Kendall should now be muted
16:00:50 <josb> zakim, mute me
16:00:53 <DavidHirtle> zakim, David_Hirtle is me
16:00:54 <Zakim> +josb; got it
16:00:56 <Zakim> sorry, Guizhen, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'
16:00:59 <Guizhen> zakim, mute me
16:01:00 <Zakim> +Deborah_Nichols; got it
16:01:04 <Zakim> josb should now be muted
16:01:07 <csma> zzakim, who is noisy?
16:01:08 <Zakim> +DavidHirtle; got it
16:01:08 <Deborah_Nichols> Zakim, mute me
16:01:10 <Zakim> +Hassan_Ait-Kaci
16:01:14 <Zakim> sorry, Guizhen, I do not see a party named 'Guizhen'
16:01:15 <josb> zakim, aagg is me
16:01:20 <Zakim> +??P43
16:01:24 <bill> Zakim, mute me
16:01:26 <Zakim> Deborah_Nichols should now be muted
16:01:30 <josb> zakim, mute me
16:01:32 <Zakim> sorry, josb, I do not recognize a party named 'aagg'
16:01:33 <Hassan> Zakim, mute me
16:01:34 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, mute me
16:01:40 <Zakim> BillAnderson should now be muted
16:01:43 <DaveReynolds> zakim, ??P43 is me
16:01:44 <Zakim> josb was already muted, josb
16:01:48 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
16:01:49 <FrancoisBry> zakim, aacc is perhaps PaulaP
16:01:52 <DaveReynolds> zakin, mute me
16:01:56 <Zakim> Hassan_Ait-Kaci should now be muted
16:01:58 <Zakim> AxelPolleres should now be muted
16:02:04 <csma> zakim, who is noisy?
16:02:06 <Zakim> - +44.208.789.aaee
16:02:10 <Zakim> +DaveReynolds; got it
16:02:16 <JosD> JosD has joined #rif
16:02:18 <Zakim> sorry, FrancoisBry, I do not understand your question
16:02:32 <holger> holger has joined #rif
16:02:38 <Zakim> csma, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Deborah_Nichols.a (43%), [NRCC] (27%)
16:02:41 <ChrisW> agenda is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2005Dec/0179.html
16:02:44 <Zakim> +Jeff_Pan
16:02:50 <PaulaP> Zakim, mute me
16:02:53 <sandro> MarkusK, I think the second one is someone who called from the phone number you used in the last meeting.
16:02:57 <Benjamin> Benjamin has joined #rif
16:02:58 <Zakim> sorry, PaulaP, I do not see a party named 'PaulaP'
16:03:03 <Zakim> +Jos_De_Roo
16:03:06 <igor> igor has joined #rif
16:03:11 <Zakim> +??P51
16:03:13 <csma> zakim, mute Deborah_Nichols.a
16:03:13 <Zakim> Deborah_Nichols.a should now be muted
16:03:16 <Benjamin> +Benjamin
16:03:16 <JeffPan> Zakim, mute me
16:03:17 <Zakim> Jeff_Pan should now be muted
16:03:18 <FrancoisBry> zakim, who is aacc? 
16:03:18 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, FrancoisBry.
16:03:25 <Guizhen> zakim, mute Guizhen
16:03:25 <Zakim> sorry, Guizhen, I do not see a party named 'Guizhen'
16:03:31 <johnhall> johnhall has joined #rif
16:03:35 <Zakim> -Deborah_Nichols.a
16:03:42 <csma> zakim, who is noisy?
16:03:44 <JosD> JosD has joined #rif
16:03:52 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
16:03:53 <Zakim> csma, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P51 (30%)
16:04:00 <Donald> zalim,??P51 is me
16:04:00 <Zakim> +Benjamin_Grosof
16:04:04 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P51 (43%)
16:04:09 <Zakim> +Uli_Sattler
16:04:11 <GiorgosStamou> GiorgosStamou has joined #rif
16:04:12 <PaulaP> Zakim, aacc is me
16:04:12 <Zakim> sorry, PaulaP, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
16:04:15 <sandro> Donald, you misspelled Zakim
16:04:21 <csma> zakim, mute Benjamin_Grosof
16:04:21 <Zakim> Benjamin_Grosof should now be muted
16:04:41 <JeremyCarroll> I suggest that PaulaP asks "Zakim, who is talking?" and then speaks for 10 secs to identify her line
16:04:42 <edbark> edbark has joined #rif
16:05:00 <sandro> good plan, JeremyCarroll 
16:05:17 <Zakim> +John_Hall
16:05:25 <Zakim> +Deborah_Nichols.a
16:05:31 <Donald> zakim, mute me
16:05:31 <Zakim> sorry, Donald, I do not see a party named 'Donald'
16:05:32 <saidtabet> saidtabet has joined #rif
16:05:33 <Zakim> + +1.503.525.aahh
16:05:36 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
16:05:47 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ChrisW (45%), Markus_Krotzsch (34%)
16:05:49 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:05:49 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
16:06:02 <Donald> zakim, ??P51 is me
16:06:02 <Zakim> +Donald; got it
16:06:06 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, Markus_Krotzsch is really PaulaP
16:06:06 <Zakim> +PaulaP; got it
16:06:10 <MinsuJang> a is me
16:06:12 <Zakim> -Benjamin_Grosof
16:06:13 <Zakim> +Ed_Barkmeyer
16:06:14 <Donald> zakim, mute me
16:06:14 <Zakim> Donald should now be muted
16:06:19 <MinsuJang> zakim, mute me
16:06:19 <Zakim> sorry, MinsuJang, I do not see a party named 'MinsuJang'
16:06:23 <Zakim> +Giorgos_Stamou
16:06:38 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: welcome to rif telecon
16:06:39 <PaulaP> Zakim, mute me
16:06:39 <Zakim> PaulaP should now be muted
16:06:40 <MinsuJang> zakim, a is me
16:06:40 <Zakim> sorry, MinsuJang, I do not recognize a party named 'a'
16:06:41 <PaulV> PaulV has joined #RIF
16:06:45 <johnhall> aahh is me
16:06:45 <csma> zakim, who is noisy?
16:06:50 <Zakim> +Said_Tabet
16:06:52 <Zakim> -PaulaP
16:06:54 <Zakim> +Benjamin_Grosof
16:06:56 <Guizhen> zakim, aaff is me
16:06:56 <Zakim> sorry, Guizhen, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'
16:06:58 <Zakim> csma, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ChrisW (40%)
16:06:59 <saidtabet> zakim, mute me
16:06:59 <josb> zakim, Deborah_Nichols.a is me
16:07:00 <Zakim> Said_Tabet should now be muted
16:07:04 <Zakim> +josb; got it
16:07:09 <GaryHallmark> GaryHallmark has joined #rif
16:07:14 <josb> zakim, mute me
16:07:14 <Zakim> josb was already muted, josb
16:07:15 <saidtabet> Happy New Year everyone!
16:07:28 <aharth_scribe> ...tuesdays at this time there will be rif telecons, one next week
16:07:35 <johnhall> zakim, mute me
16:07:35 <Zakim> John_Hall should now be muted
16:07:41 <Zakim> +PaulaP
16:08:03 <aharth_scribe> ...comments on minutes from last telecon?
16:08:04 <PaulaP> Zakim, mute me
16:08:04 <Zakim> PaulaP should now be muted
16:08:04 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2005Dec/0164.html
16:08:12 <Benjamin> +Benjamin
16:08:14 <AxelPolleres> +1
16:08:15 <csma> +1
16:08:16 <josb> +1
16:08:30 <Jos_De_Roo> Zakim, mute me
16:08:32 <aharth_scribe> ...minutes accepted, no objections
16:08:35 <Zakim> Jos_De_Roo should now be muted
16:08:45 <GiorgosStamou> Zakim, mute me
16:08:45 <Zakim> Giorgos_Stamou should now be muted
16:08:59 <aharth_scribe> ...amendments to the agenda? none
16:09:11 <sandro> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2005Dec/0179.html
16:09:16 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2005Dec/0179.html
16:09:30 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:09:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, MarkusK (muted), Allen (muted), PhilippeB (muted), BillAnderson (muted), csma (muted), Ora_Lassila (muted), Andreas_Harth, FrancoisBry (muted),
16:09:34 <Zakim> ... deepalik (muted), JeremyCarroll (muted), igor (muted), AxelPolleres (muted), msintek (muted), Elisa_Kendall (muted), Deborah_Nichols (muted), DavidHirtle, josb (muted), [NRCC],
16:09:38 <Zakim> ... Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), DaveReynolds, Mike_Dean, Jeff_Pan (muted), Jos_De_Roo (muted), Donald (muted), Uli_Sattler, John_Hall (muted), josb.a, +1.503.525.aahh, [IPcaller],
16:09:41 <Zakim> ... [IPcaller.a], Ed_Barkmeyer (muted), Giorgos_Stamou (muted), Said_Tabet (muted), Benjamin_Grosof, PaulaP (muted)
16:09:42 <Benjamin> Zakim, mute me
16:09:42 <Zakim> Benjamin_Grosof should now be muted
16:09:47 <Zakim> + +1.631.632.aaii
16:09:50 <aharth_scribe> ...posted a message to use zakim for telecons, please read the zakim doc to organize the telecon if you haven't done yet
16:10:40 <GerdWagner> GerdWagner has joined #rif
16:11:04 <aharth_scribe> ...people start to use the wiki and there's tracking of recent changes
16:11:47 <Zakim> +Gerd_Wagner
16:11:58 <josb> q+
16:12:02 <MinsuJang> zakim, IPcaller.a is MinsuJang
16:12:02 <Zakim> +MinsuJang; got it
16:12:08 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:12:08 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
16:12:14 <aharth_scribe> ...proposal: people should sign the sections in the wiki which they edit
16:12:16 <MinsuJang> zakim, mute me
16:12:16 <Zakim> MinsuJang should now be muted
16:12:20 <aharth_scribe> sandro: why?
16:12:37 <JeremyCarroll> I want to know too
16:12:41 <AxelPolleres> Sandro: +1
16:12:41 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: changes should be identifiable somehow
16:12:42 <josb> 1+
16:13:18 <mdean> is there a Wiki interface to cvs log that will label each line with the author and timestamp?
16:13:25 <aharth_scribe> csma: another reason to put discussion points in an email message makes it possible to reference that message
16:13:29 <sandro> not sure, mdean
16:13:38 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: objections to the idea of authorship?
16:14:16 <aharth_scribe> sandro: marking changes might clutter the consensus documents on the wiki pages
16:14:41 <PaulV> Zakim, IPcaller.a is me
16:14:41 <Zakim> sorry, PaulV, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller.a'
16:14:46 <edbark> But when we question what was meant we need a person to ask
16:15:19 <josb> chrisw: +1
16:15:36 <Harold> q+ We could have two kinds of wiki pages.
16:15:42 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: some of the pages are more structured like a discussion, want to see who said what
16:16:05 <Harold> q+
16:16:11 <aharth_scribe> csma: is it different to people adding the name and the date of change to the page last time?
16:16:14 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:16:14 <Zakim> I see josb, Harold on the speaker queue
16:16:58 <aharth_scribe> csma: identification and date of change were discussed last time, info in the minutes
16:17:08 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:17:08 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
16:17:13 <ChrisW> ACTION: sandro add link about wiki usage
16:17:22 <Harold> Re Wiki: The glossary, e.g., could acquire a more official status, with authorship etc.
16:17:23 <ChrisW> CONTINUED
16:17:42 <josb> zakim, unmute me
16:17:42 <Zakim> josb should no longer be muted
16:17:47 <aharth_scribe> ACTION: sandro update main web page re: meetings
16:17:54 <aharth_scribe> CONTINUED
16:17:57 <sandro> zakim, q?
16:17:57 <Zakim> I see josb, Harold on the speaker queue
16:17:58 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q? 
16:17:58 <Zakim> I see josb, Harold on the speaker queue
16:18:05 <Allen> q?
16:18:11 <sandro> zakim, mute me
16:18:11 <Zakim> Sandro should now be muted
16:18:42 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:18:42 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
16:18:57 <csma> q+
16:19:01 <aharth_scribe> josdebrujin: we need to reference parts of wiki pages in email messages
16:19:14 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: possible to add section numbers?
16:19:16 <sandro> zakim, unmute me
16:19:16 <Zakim> Sandro should no longer be muted
16:19:37 <csma> q- josb
16:19:37 <DavidHirtle> for example: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/FrontPage?action=recall&rev=19
16:19:43 <aharth_scribe> sandro: wiki already does hex-hash anchor on each heading
16:19:45 <msintek> the wiki has anchors: [[Anchor(anchorname)]]
16:19:47 <DavidHirtle> each revision has an anchor
16:20:04 <vassilis> vassilis has joined #rif
16:20:05 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:20:05 <Zakim> I see Harold, csma on the speaker queue
16:20:24 <aharth_scribe> sandro: put an anchor on the text in the wiki and then reference it
16:21:11 <csma> q-
16:21:22 <aharth_scribe> csma: if you use a reference we should put it in an email message
16:21:51 <aharth_scribe> josdebrujin: possible to refernce to older versions of a wiki?
16:22:03 <DavidHirtle> (that's the link I posted earlier)
16:22:12 <josb> zakim, mute me
16:22:12 <Zakim> josb should now be muted
16:22:16 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:22:16 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
16:22:18 <aharth_scribe> sandro: the version reference in the wiki can be used to reference to older versions
16:22:48 <aharth_scribe> harold: two sets of wiki pages, one class of pages for discussions, one class more official like the glossary and use cases
16:23:16 <csma> q?
16:23:25 <Benjamin> queue?
16:23:25 <csma> q- harold
16:23:36 <JeremyCarroll> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/FrontPage?action=diff&rev2=21&rev1=20
16:23:38 <JeremyCarroll> e.g
16:23:47 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: i think this is evolving, especially the set of pages that evolve towards notes
16:24:14 <aharth_scribe> ...move on to item 2 on the agenda: liason
16:24:25 <IanH> IanH has joined #rif
16:24:32 <aharth_scribe> ...other standards efforts that overlap with the rif
16:24:34 <sandro> For example: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/Use_Cases?action=recall&rev=4
16:24:40 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q+ to Liaison/others
16:24:40 <Zakim> I see FrancoisBry on the speaker queue
16:24:43 <aharth_scribe> ...one is SPARQL, the RDF query language
16:24:48 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:24:48 <Zakim> I see FrancoisBry on the speaker queue
16:24:48 <JeremyCarroll> (actually it is agenda item 3)
16:24:48 <Donald> q+ OMG -- SBVR liason
16:24:51 <aharth_scribe> ...PRR effort which is OMG effort
16:25:02 <aharth_scribe> ...common logic which is an ISO effort
16:25:04 <sandro> Diff-link example: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/Use_Cases?action=diff&rev2=4&rev1=3
16:25:19 <FrancoisBry> zakim, unmute me
16:25:23 <Zakim> FrancoisBry should no longer be muted
16:25:23 <edbark> zakim, q+
16:25:23 <Zakim> I see FrancoisBry, OMG, --, SBVR, liason, edbark on the speaker queue
16:25:24 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:25:24 <Zakim> +Ian_Horrocks
16:25:25 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
16:25:27 <aharth_scribe> ...proposal: people who represent the rif in these groups
16:25:38 <sandro> zakim, q?
16:25:38 <Zakim> I see FrancoisBry, OMG, --, SBVR, liason, edbark on the speaker queue
16:25:44 <Donald> ack me
16:25:46 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q- later
16:25:46 <Zakim> I see OMG, --, SBVR, liason, edbark, FrancoisBry on the speaker queue
16:25:48 <aharth_scribe> ...who is already active with other standards bodies?
16:25:55 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:25:55 <Zakim> I see OMG, --, SBVR, liason, edbark, FrancoisBry on the speaker queue
16:25:59 <sandro> q- OMG
16:26:03 <csma> q- OMG
16:26:04 <sandro> q- --
16:26:07 <sandro> q- SBVR
16:26:08 <csma> q- --
16:26:11 <sandro> q- liason
16:26:12 <Benjamin> queue?
16:26:16 <Benjamin> q+
16:26:24 <bill> q+
16:26:34 <Donald> zakim, mute me
16:26:36 <Zakim> Donald should now be muted
16:26:37 <aharth_scribe> donald: there's also lisason for an omg group
16:27:03 <josb> The OMG effort is SBVR
16:27:03 <Harold> q+ liason with W3C Web Services?
16:27:04 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:27:06 <Zakim> I see edbark, FrancoisBry, Benjamin, bill on the speaker queue
16:27:15 <sandro> cf http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison
16:27:16 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: liason means to represent the working group in other efforts to avoid duplication of work
16:27:25 <IanH> zakim, mute me
16:27:25 <Zakim> Ian_Horrocks should now be muted
16:27:32 <aharth_scribe> csma: the complete PRR wg is part of the rif, do we need liason there?
16:27:33 <vassilis> vassilis has joined #rif
16:27:37 <Harold> q+
16:27:47 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: a appointed liason person would help in coordination
16:27:55 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:27:55 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
16:28:01 <sandro> ack edbark 
16:28:31 <PaulV> q+
16:28:32 <aharth_scribe> edbark: there might be an OWL1.1 activity, we should keep an eye on that as well
16:28:36 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to clairfy OWL 1.1
16:28:40 <Elisa> w.r.t the OMG Ontology Definition Metamodel, which Chris and I are co-editing, I'll volunteer to be
16:28:41 <vassilis> vassilis has joined #rif
16:28:46 <Benjamin> zakim, unmute me
16:28:46 <Zakim> Benjamin_Grosof should no longer be muted
16:28:48 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:28:48 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
16:28:48 <Elisa> liaison, with Evan as back-up
16:28:50 <sandro> ack FrancoisBry 
16:28:50 <Zakim> FrancoisBry, you wanted to Liaison/others
16:28:54 <bill> ack me
16:28:55 <edbark> zakim, ack me
16:28:55 <Zakim> unmuting Ed_Barkmeyer
16:28:57 <Zakim> I see Benjamin, Harold, PaulV, JeremyCarroll on the speaker queue
16:29:00 <IanH> q+
16:29:01 <aharth_scribe> francoisbry: query languages and xquery might be relevant as well to the activity to this wg
16:29:05 <edbark> zakim, mute me
16:29:05 <Zakim> Ed_Barkmeyer should now be muted
16:29:12 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: these are not ongoing efforts?
16:29:19 <josb> The workshop mentioned by edbark is the OWL experiences and directions workshop
16:29:20 <josb> http://www.mindswap.org/2005/OWLWorkshop/
16:29:28 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: do we need a liason for xquery?
16:29:30 <DaveReynolds> q+ [SPARQL covers Xquery]
16:29:40 <aharth_scribe> sandro: is it useful for us and then to do that?
16:29:52 <JeremyCarroll> Xquery is at CR http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/CR-xquery-20051103/
16:30:10 <mdean> Peter Patel-Scheider and Bijan Parsia are very involved with OWL 1.1 - either of them would be a good liaison
16:30:20 <Benjamin> Z
16:30:21 <aharth_scribe> francoisbry: at one point you would have procedural attachements and rules and integrity constraints might be issues that touch the work of rif
16:30:26 <FrancoisBry> zakim, unmute me
16:30:26 <Zakim> FrancoisBry was not muted, FrancoisBry
16:30:26 <Benjamin> +1
16:30:28 <csma> q?
16:30:34 <sandro> ack Benjamin 
16:30:34 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: we look at that and what's the relationship should be
16:30:36 <FrancoisBry> zakim, mute me
16:30:36 <Zakim> FrancoisBry should now be muted
16:30:45 <PaulV> q-
16:30:48 <JeremyCarroll> q-
16:31:08 <Zakim> -JeremyCarroll
16:31:09 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:31:11 <Zakim> -BillAnderson
16:31:12 <Zakim> -MinsuJang
16:31:13 <Zakim> -MarkusK
16:31:19 <aharth_scribe> benjamin: another category of liasoning: standards bodies such as NIST, maybe RuleML, possibly SWSL, others that do related things
16:31:31 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:31:43 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: those are informal efforts, liason could be also informal
16:31:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
16:31:51 <bill> Zakim, ??IPCaller is me
16:31:51 <Zakim> sorry, bill, I do not recognize a party named '??IPCaller'
16:31:53 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
16:31:58 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, aa is me
16:31:58 <Zakim> sorry, JeremyCarroll, I do not recognize a party named 'aa'
16:32:02 <ChrisW> q?
16:32:04 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, IPCaller.aa is me
16:32:04 <Zakim> +JeremyCarroll; got it
16:32:13 <edbark> chrisw: +1 no formal liaison to NIST
16:32:13 <Benjamin> zakim, mute me
16:32:13 <Zakim> Benjamin_Grosof should now be muted
16:32:14 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:32:14 <Zakim> I see Harold, IanH on the speaker queue
16:32:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
16:32:22 <bill> Zakim, mute me
16:32:22 <Zakim> sorry, bill, I do not see a party named 'bill'
16:32:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aaa]
16:32:35 <MinsuJang> zakim, IPcaller.aaa is me
16:32:35 <Zakim> +MinsuJang; got it
16:32:36 <bill> yup
16:32:47 <aharth_scribe> harold: web services within W3 might be another candidate, especially SWS have industry involved
16:32:48 <IanH> ack me
16:32:53 <PaulV> q+
16:32:58 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, mute me
16:32:58 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should now be muted
16:33:26 <aharth_scribe> ianh: owl 1.1 activity, there was a meeting at W3C with people who use OWL and develop infrastructure
16:33:26 <bill> Zakim, IPCaller is me
16:33:26 <Zakim> +bill; got it
16:33:45 <bill> Zakim, mute me
16:33:45 <Zakim> bill should now be muted
16:33:47 <aharth_scribe> ...currently not an W3C activity, reason for the meeting was to gather ideas
16:33:48 <JeremyCarroll> s/meeting at W3C/meeting at ISWC/
16:33:54 <bill> q+
16:33:56 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:33:56 <Zakim> I see Harold, PaulV, bill on the speaker queue
16:34:02 <MinsuJang> zakim, mute me
16:34:02 <Zakim> MinsuJang should now be muted
16:34:13 <FrancoisBry> zakim, is Massimo here? 
16:34:13 <Zakim> FrancoisBry, I do not see Massimo anywhere
16:34:13 <IanH> zakim, mute me
16:34:14 <Zakim> Ian_Horrocks should now be muted
16:34:18 <csma> re liaison with NIST: NIST is represented in the WG, so no liaison needed
16:34:24 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:34:24 <Zakim> I see Harold, PaulV, bill on the speaker queue
16:34:42 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: we've identified activities for liason, think about if you should be the liason person for a group?
16:34:53 <csma> q- harold
16:35:07 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:35:07 <Zakim> I see PaulV, bill on the speaker queue
16:35:11 <aharth_scribe> paulv: could we have wiki pages set up for the relevant liason pages?
16:35:19 <bill> ack me
16:35:20 <csma> q- paulv
16:35:39 <aharth_scribe> sandro: plan was to include the liason person information in the glossary
16:35:45 <edbark> paulv: +1 also relevance to RIF
16:35:46 <sandro> zakim, mute me
16:35:46 <Zakim> Sandro should now be muted
16:35:53 <bill> q+
16:35:53 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:35:54 <Zakim> I see bill on the speaker queue
16:36:01 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: next item on agenda, 3: use case and requirements
16:36:02 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q+
16:36:02 <Zakim> I see bill, FrancoisBry on the speaker queue
16:36:13 <FrancoisBry> zakim, unmute me
16:36:13 <Zakim> FrancoisBry should no longer be muted
16:36:21 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:36:21 <Zakim> I see bill, FrancoisBry on the speaker queue
16:36:35 <bill> Zakim, mute me
16:36:35 <Zakim> bill should now be muted
16:36:37 <aharth_scribe> bill: volunteers will be decided later?
16:36:40 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: yes
16:36:42 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:36:42 <Zakim> csma was not muted, csma
16:36:56 <Allen> q+
16:37:16 <aharth_scribe> francoisbry: should we reconsider the classification effort?
16:37:38 <Zakim> -JeremyCarroll
16:37:44 <aharth_scribe> ...maybe classfiy along four or five dimensions, proposed some ideas about that in an email message already
16:37:47 <PaulaP> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/Multi-Dimensional_Use_Case_Classification
16:38:29 <aharth_scribe> ...reactivity vs. integrity constraints...
16:38:44 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: any comments on the classification scheme?
16:38:46 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:38:46 <Zakim> csma was not muted, csma
16:39:10 <saidtabet> q+
16:39:16 <Allen> zakim, unmute me
16:39:16 <Zakim> Allen should no longer be muted
16:39:17 <aharth_scribe> csma: maybe francois could try to apply the scheme on the use cases?
16:39:32 <aharth_scribe> francoisbry: how much time do i get for doing this?
16:39:50 <aharth_scribe> allen: no problems with that
16:39:56 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:39:56 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
16:40:15 <aharth_scribe> ...the use case requirements document should to relate use cases to requirements
16:40:30 <aharth_scribe> ...the proposed classification was more complex
16:40:56 <FrancoisBry> allen, relatingv use cases to requirements is THE reason why I proposed the multi-dimensional classification scheme.
16:41:05 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:41:05 <Zakim> I see bill, FrancoisBry, Allen, saidtabet on the speaker queue
16:41:14 <bill> q-
16:41:28 <aharth_scribe> ...want to have three categories: specific language features (e.g. fuzzy logic), middle-level feature (e.g. enable to express semantics), examples of useful interchange applications
16:41:46 <csma> q- FrancoisBry
16:41:50 <aharth_scribe> ...then say why specific requirements are requested
16:41:51 <csma> q- Allen
16:41:54 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q+
16:41:54 <Zakim> I see saidtabet, FrancoisBry on the speaker queue
16:42:19 <Allen> that should be "meta-level" features
16:42:28 <aharth_scribe> ???: some of the classification is overlapping, we try to have something by the 17th this month
16:42:29 <sandro> Maybe FrancoisBry and David and Allen can talk on the phone, later today?
16:42:34 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q+
16:42:34 <Zakim> I see saidtabet, FrancoisBry on the speaker queue
16:42:54 <DavidHirtle> s /???/DavidHirtle
16:42:56 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:42:56 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
16:42:59 <saidtabet> zakim, unmute me
16:42:59 <Zakim> Said_Tabet should no longer be muted
16:43:00 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: rather view that as iteration on the document that allen and david produce
16:43:09 <sandro> ack saidtabet 
16:43:10 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:43:10 <Zakim> I see FrancoisBry on the speaker queue
16:43:39 <aharth_scribe> said: having a multidimensional classification is important but should be feasible
16:44:03 <Allen> q+
16:44:04 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: editors will use the information about classifciation to produce the draft due in two weeks
16:44:05 <csma> +1
16:44:05 <sandro> ack FrancoisBry 
16:44:06 <AxelPolleres> +1
16:44:14 <aharth_scribe> ...then we can do an iteration on the scheme they propose
16:44:17 <josb> +1
16:44:27 <MinsuJang> +1
16:44:43 <EnricoFranconi> EnricoFranconi has joined #rif
16:44:54 <csma> q?
16:44:55 <aharth_scribe> francoisbry: suggest that a small group of people interested in the classification issue might work more closely with the editors
16:45:17 <PaulaP> I can help Francois in classifying the use cases so as to speed up the work
16:45:23 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:45:23 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
16:45:42 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: the editors to propose the document and then the group is discussion and refining based on recommendations of the group
16:45:49 <sandro> q?
16:45:53 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:45:53 <Zakim> I see Allen on the speaker queue
16:45:53 <sandro> ack Allen 
16:45:58 <FrancoisBry> zakim, mute me
16:45:58 <Zakim> FrancoisBry should now be muted
16:46:17 <Benjamin> ChrisW, how long are we going to run this telecon call?  12:30 EST?  
16:46:36 <aharth_scribe> allen: we put up the new template and send out email messages about the changes
16:46:40 <saidtabet> zakim, mute me
16:46:40 <Zakim> Said_Tabet should now be muted
16:46:40 <DavidHirtle> yes, it's done for some but certainly not all
16:46:43 <Harold> Re Use Cases: Another (simple, but quite WG-relevant) dimension is "Phase 1 vs. Phase 2".
16:46:43 <ChrisW> yes - we will end on time
16:46:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:47:02 <csma> q?
16:47:04 <aharth_scribe> ...would be helpful if people change the use case pages
16:47:13 <csma> q?
16:47:31 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: everyone should keep an eye on what requirements are missing
16:47:35 <Allen> zakim, mute me
16:47:35 <Zakim> Allen should now be muted
16:47:40 <EnricoFranconi> Zakim, ??P53 is me
16:47:40 <Zakim> I already had ??P53 as Mike_Kay, EnricoFranconi
16:47:40 <sandro> ack sandro
16:47:44 <csma> q?
16:48:01 <aharth_scribe> ...next agenda item: OWL and RDF compatibility (4.)
16:48:04 <josb> q+
16:48:15 <josb> ack me
16:48:25 <aharth_scribe> ...anyone want to discuss the rdf and owl compatibility?
16:48:28 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:48:28 <Zakim> csma was already muted, csma
16:48:36 <EnricoFranconi> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
16:48:36 <Zakim> +EnricoFranconi; got it
16:49:11 <aharth_scribe> josdebrujin: some pages on the pages, pfps added some challenges to the compatibility issue, jos posted some suggestion, need to provoke more discussion
16:49:36 <ChrisW> q?
16:49:47 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: mailing list would be the right way to discuss the matter
16:49:54 <Zakim> -PhilippeB
16:49:56 <josb> +1
16:50:05 <aharth_scribe> sandro: do we want to use email tags as the SWBP wg does
16:50:24 <aharth_scribe> ACTION: chris to propose a set of tags for different subgroups
16:50:42 <csma> q?
16:50:53 <sandro> zakim, mute me
16:50:53 <Zakim> Sandro should now be muted
16:51:00 <Hassan> yes
16:51:03 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: any more? no, let's move on to next item
16:51:10 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:51:10 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
16:51:13 <Hassan> Zakim, unmute me
16:51:13 <Zakim> Hassan_Ait-Kaci should no longer be muted
16:51:25 <csma> q?
16:51:26 <aharth_scribe> ...hassan added an alternative bottom-up approach
16:51:40 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:51:40 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:51:41 <aharth_scribe> ...this type of discussion should be done via mailing list
16:51:50 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:51:50 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
16:52:05 <Hassan> Zakim, mute me
16:52:05 <Zakim> Hassan_Ait-Kaci should now be muted
16:52:05 <aharth_scribe> ...we do need a list of rule systems we want to consider
16:52:14 <Benjamin> zakim, unmute me
16:52:14 <Zakim> Benjamin_Grosof should no longer be muted
16:52:21 <aharth_scribe> ...volunteeer to compile that list of rule systems?
16:52:21 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:52:21 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:52:49 <aharth_scribe> ACTION: benjamin to start a wiki page with initial list of systems
16:53:11 <aharth_scribe> benjamin: should be related to Harold's ruleml classification
16:53:14 <csma> q?
16:53:19 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:53:19 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:53:26 <aharth_scribe> ACTION: harold to a fine classification of rule systems
16:53:45 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: any other comments on classification effort?
16:53:58 <Benjamin> zakim, mute me
16:53:58 <Zakim> Benjamin_Grosof should now be muted
16:54:05 <aharth_scribe> ACTION: chris clarify desiderata forlist of classifications
16:54:07 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:54:08 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
16:54:08 <aharth_scribe> CONTINUED
16:54:50 <aharth_scribe> chrisw: propose to adjourn
16:54:52 <josb> +1
16:54:53 <csma> +1
16:54:54 <bill> Second
16:54:56 <JeffPan> +1
16:54:56 <FrancoisBry> zakim, q?
16:54:56 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:54:56 <holger> +1
16:54:57 <saidtabet> +1
16:54:57 <igor> +1
16:54:57 <PaulaP> +1
16:55:02 <Benjamin> +1
16:55:03 <AxelPolleres> +1
16:55:06 <MinsuJang> +1
16:55:07 <AxelPolleres> +1
16:55:08 <Benjamin> zakim, unmute me
16:55:08 <Zakim> Benjamin_Grosof should no longer be muted
16:55:08 <Hassan> +1
16:55:09 <josb> +1
16:55:10 <sandro> google finds me lots of irc clients....  http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Chat/IRC-Clients/
16:55:12 <msintek> +1
16:55:17 <Guizhen> +1
16:55:19 <GiorgosStamou> +1
16:55:23 <Benjamin> zakim, mute me
16:55:23 <Zakim> Benjamin_Grosof should now be muted
16:55:27 <saidtabet> Have a good week everyone!
16:55:28 <Zakim> -Ed_Barkmeyer
16:55:29 <Zakim> -Jos_De_Roo
16:55:29 <Zakim> -josb.a
16:55:30 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds
16:55:32 <Zakim> -John_Hall
16:55:32 <sandro> zakim, unmute me
16:55:33 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
16:55:33 <igor> bye
16:55:34 <Zakim> -Donald
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16:55:35 <Zakim> -Benjamin_Grosof
16:55:36 <Zakim> -Uli_Sattler
16:55:37 <aharth_scribe> meeting adjourned, happy new year
16:55:37 <Zakim> Sandro should no longer be muted
16:55:39 <Zakim> -Ian_Horrocks
16:55:40 <PaulaP> happy new year!!
16:55:40 <MinsuJang> bye
16:55:41 <Zakim> -msintek
16:55:43 <Zakim> -Allen
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16:55:47 <Zakim> - +1.631.632.aaii
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16:55:55 <Zakim> -igor
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16:56:03 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
16:56:03 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?
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16:56:07 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
16:56:09 <Zakim> -josb
16:56:11 <Zakim> -[NRCC]
16:56:13 <sandro> RRSAgent, publish the minutes
16:56:13 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'publish the minutes', sandro.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:56:13 <Zakim> -MarkusK
16:56:15 <Zakim> -MinsuJang
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16:56:20 <Zakim> -FrancoisBry
16:56:21 <Zakim> -Giorgos_Stamou
16:56:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, csma, Andreas_Harth, deepalik (muted), PaulaP (muted), Gerd_Wagner (muted), EnricoFranconi
16:56:26 <aharth_scribe> rssagent, list the minutes please
16:56:29 <GerdWagner> -GerdWagner
16:56:36 <sandro> RRSAgent, produce the minutes?
16:56:36 <RRSAgent> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'produce the minutes'
16:56:39 <sandro> RRSAgent, produce the minutes
16:56:39 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'produce the minutes', sandro.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:56:45 <sandro> RRSAgent, create the minutes
16:56:45 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'create the minutes', sandro.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:56:47 <Zakim> -Gerd_Wagner
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16:56:56 <sandro> RRSAgent, make the minutes
16:56:56 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make the minutes', sandro.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:57:11 <sandro> RRSAgent, create minutes
16:57:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/01/03-rif-minutes.html sandro
16:57:20 <deepalik> disconnect deepalik
16:57:27 <sandro> zakim, drop deepalik 
16:57:27 <Zakim> deepalik is being disconnected
16:57:29 <Zakim> -deepalik
16:57:59 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone
16:57:59 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', csma
16:58:05 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2006/01/03-rif-minutes
16:58:16 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:58:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, csma, Andreas_Harth, EnricoFranconi
16:58:37 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2006/01/03-rif-minutes
16:59:00 <deepalik> leave
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16:59:26 <sandro> deepalik, the IRC command is usually "/part"
16:59:29 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:59:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, csma, EnricoFranconi
16:59:29 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
16:59:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, csma, EnricoFranconi
16:59:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see EnricoFranconi, GerdWagner, Jos_De_Roo, johnhall, Benjamin, holger, JeffPan, csma, Allen, PaulaP, MarkusK, deepalik, ChrisW, DavidHirtle, RRSAgent, Zakim, sandro,
16:59:34 <Zakim> ... mdean
16:59:37 <sandro> zakim, drop EnricoFranconi 
16:59:37 <Zakim> EnricoFranconi is being disconnected
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17:10:50 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/F2F1
17:14:40 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/OWL_Compatibility
17:14:48 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/F2F1_Breakout_Session_on_OWL_and_RDF_Compatibility
17:23:18 <ChrisW> zakim, who is here?
17:23:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, csma
17:23:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see GerdWagner, Benjamin, JeffPan, csma, Allen, ChrisW, RRSAgent, Zakim, sandro
17:25:36 <Zakim> -ChrisW
17:25:37 <Zakim> -csma
17:25:57 <csma> quit
17:26:29 <csma> xx
17:26:34 <csma> part
17:26:36 <csma> xx
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17:27:21 <Zakim> -Sandro
17:27:22 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
17:27:24 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, ChrisW, MarkusK, PhilippeB, BillAnderson, Ora_Lassila, Andreas_Harth, +1.781.266.aaaa, csma, deepalik, JeremyCarroll, FrancoisBry, +3861477aabb, Allen, igor,
17:27:29 <Zakim> ... +43.512.507.aacc, +1.631.205.aadd, AxelPolleres, Elisa_Kendall, Deborah_Nichols, +44.208.789.aaee, +1.408.460.aaff, msintek, +43.512.507.aagg, [NRCC], josb, DavidHirtle,
17:27:33 <Zakim> ... Hassan_Ait-Kaci, Mike_Dean, DaveReynolds, Jeff_Pan, Jos_De_Roo, Benjamin_Grosof, Uli_Sattler, John_Hall, +1.503.525.aahh, Donald, PaulaP, Ed_Barkmeyer, Giorgos_Stamou,
17:27:35 <Zakim> ... Said_Tabet, +1.631.632.aaii, Gerd_Wagner, MinsuJang, Ian_Horrocks, bill, EnricoFranconi
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