Minutes for 27 June 2007 URW3 Meeting

Attendees:

Agenda:

  1. Approve minutes from 13 June 2007 meeting. Note, the minutes are linked from http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/urw3/#Minutes
  2. Review status of action items from previous meeting
  3. Review email dialog about uncertainty ontology
  4. Discuss Discovery, User Preference Modeling, and Soft Shopping Agents use cases. (In preparation, please read these use cases.)
  5. Establish/review discussion schedule for next several meetings
  6. Schedule telecons for July and August

Scribe: Eric Monk

Discussion summary:

  1. Approve minutes from 13 June 2007 meeting. Note, the minutes are linked from http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/urw3/#Minutes
        Minutes from June 13 were approved.

  2. Review status of action items from previous meeting

    Action #4 - Vipul and Mitch and anyone else who cares to contribute to uncertainty ontology

    Group discussion on Action #4. Discussion of whether 'Sentence' is the correct concept or maybe it should be changed to Propositions? Do distinctions between Sentence and Propositions need to be made at this point? Kathy mentions discussion on ontolog forum and IKL effort. Discussion of Aleatory vs Epistemic. Discussion of uncertainty types and other definitions such as proposition. Mike says Peter Suber's glossary of FOL is a good reference for definitions. Link to Peter Suber's definition of proposition. Was decided group needs more discussion on this topic. See Action 2.

    Action #5 - Vipul to work w/ Ken/Kathy on coordinating with HCLSIG

    Discussion on Action #5. HCLS has been having interesting discussions (in biomedical research and clinical practice) surrounding evidence and interpretation. Should URW3 be better coordinating with HLCS? Vipul provided link to work going on in HCLS regarding uncertainty http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/UncertaintyUseCases.

  3. Review email dialog about uncertainty ontology
    Covered under discussion on previous meeting's Action #4 (above).

  4. Discuss Discovery, User Preference Modeling, and Soft Shopping Agents use cases.

    Ken does a walk through of the Discovery use case. Discussion regarding whether Vagueness and/or Ambiguity apply. Vagueness and ambiguity are disjoint but could still both apply in given solutions. Possibilities could include a simple sentence having one or the other, but a compound sentence having both. Kathy provides other situations where they may both apply. Kathy mentions some are working on probabilities on fuzzy membership functions and this might be an area to explore for this use case. Someone asks Ken whether machine processible contents of user vocabulary or catalog vocabulary has to be an ontology. Answer is no, it can be just XML tags. Peter points out solution to use case indicates an ontology matching / mediation problem. Mediation is the overarching term - and an ontology matching solution could be used when ontologies are involved. Francis raises question regarding "Does mediation include data translation resulting from the matching"? Discussion leads into short discussions of other use cases - but discussion is limited due to time. One point regarding User preference modeling, is that it differs from discovery use case slightly in that it is connected to combination functions of bayesian networks.

    Group proceeds to discuss how to continue discussion on these use cases and how it relates to final report. What is structure of final report? Needed to figure out which discussion points / information regarding use case discussion should be included. Mitch comments that discussion on Reasoning should be part of final report. More discussion regarding reasoning and next steps for this use case. This leads to Action 3 and Action 4.

  5. Establish/review discussion schedule for next several meetings
    Next meeting we will discuss Recommendation and Belief Fusion use cases, and may continue discussion on use cases from today's agenda.

  6. Schedule telecons for July and August
    Next telecon is scheduled for July 11. See Action 5.

    Action items

  1. ACTION (1): All, If someone has resolved this action from 2007/06/13 [Kathy/Ken to modify template and instructions to get around problem of others saving with ACL line] please send solution to Kathryn Laskey [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-urw3-minutes.html#action02]
  2. ACTION (2): All, Group to discuss 'Sentence' in UncertaintyOntology (as depicted in UncertaintyTop.jpg) in future meeting. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-urw3-minutes.html#action03]
  3. ACTION (3): Ken/Peter, Read minutes and identify open issues [regarding Use Case discussions] - place relevant open issues / discussion points into the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-urw3-minutes.html#action04]
  4. ACTION (4): All, What can be captured from the use case discussion that contributes to the conclusions to be presented in the final report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-urw3-minutes.html#action06]
  5. ACTION (5): All, Send to Ken/Kathy conflicts you would have if we continue to schedule telecons every two weeks from today. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-urw3-minutes.html#action07]