IRC log of dawg on 2005-12-20

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14:30:54 [AndyS]

zakim ??P1 is AndyS

14:30:56 [DanC]

agenda + test suite maintenance

14:30:57 [LeeF]

zakim, Lee_Feigenbaum is LeeF

14:30:58 [Zakim]

+LeeF; got it

14:31:04 [JanneS]

Zakim, IPcaller is JanneS

14:31:04 [Zakim]

+JanneS; got it

14:31:08 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P1 is AndyS

14:31:08 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

14:31:12 [DanC]

agenda 8 = test suite maintenance

14:31:15 [LeeF]

Chair: DanC

14:31:16 [DanC]

agenda 9 = Toward CR

14:31:18 [LeeF]

Scribe: LeeF

14:31:25 [LeeF]

Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/weekly-agenda

14:31:25 [DanC]

agenda + CONSTRUCT *

14:31:59 [DanC]

agenda + extra teleconferences in January

14:32:07 [Zakim]

+DanC

14:32:51 [DanC]

agenda + issue clean-up: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#update , http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#nameValueForms

14:33:00 [DanC]

Zakim, take up item 1

14:33:00 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda" taken up [from DanC]

14:33:07 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:33:07 [Zakim]

On the phone I see JanneS, AndyS, LeeF, DanC

14:33:45 [DanC]

Regrets: Miller

14:33:50 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:34:01 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:34:03 [jeen]

Zakim, [IPcaller] is Jeen

14:34:03 [Zakim]

+Jeen; got it

14:34:12 [ericP]

zakim, please disconnect ericP

14:34:12 [Zakim]

EricP is being disconnected

14:34:14 [Zakim]

-EricP

14:35:29 [DanC]

Regrets: Miller, Clark

14:35:41 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:35:56 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:35:56 [ericP]

oops

14:36:06 [SteveH]

Zakim, [IPcaller] is SteveH

14:36:06 [Zakim]

+SteveH; got it

14:36:08 [ericP]

zakim, please disconnect ericP

14:36:08 [Zakim]

EricP is being disconnected

14:36:09 [Zakim]

-EricP

14:36:34 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:36:57 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:36:57 [Zakim]

On the phone I see JanneS, AndyS, LeeF, DanC, Jeen, EricP, SteveH

14:38:02 [DanC]

-> http://www.w3.org/2005/12/13-dawg-irc record 13 Dec

14:38:11 [JosD]

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14:38:20 [LeeF]

APPROVED http://www.w3.org/2005/12/13-dawg-irc as true record of 13 Dec

14:38:43 [LeeF]

RESOLVED to cancel 27 Dec

14:38:45 [DanC]

Zakim, pick a scribe

14:38:45 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose JanneS

14:39:01 [DanC]

3Jan regrets JanneS

14:39:11 [ericP]

3Jan regrets EricP

14:39:22 [patH]

patH has joined #dawg

14:40:14 [DanC]

RESOLVED to cancel 3 Jan

14:40:23 [Zakim]

+PatH

14:40:29 [DanC]

RESOLVED: to meet 10 Jan, JanneS to scribe

14:40:47 [Zakim]

+??P6

14:41:00 [DanC]

Zakim, agenda?

14:41:00 [Zakim]

I see 12 items remaining on the agenda:

14:41:01 [Zakim]

1. Convene, take roll, review records and agenda [from DanC]

14:41:03 [Zakim]

2. comment: SPARQL Results Format and Unbound Variables [from DanC]

14:41:06 [Zakim]

3. issues#wsdlAbstractProtocol [from DanC]

14:41:07 [Zakim]

4. # Toward updated protocol WD [from DanC]

14:41:08 [Zakim]

5. protocol testing update [from DanC]

14:41:09 [Zakim]

6. issues#rdfSemantics [from DanC]

14:41:10 [Zakim]

7. issues#valueTesting [from DanC]

14:41:11 [Zakim]

8. test suite maintenance

14:41:13 [Zakim]

9. Toward CR

14:41:14 [Zakim]

10. CONSTRUCT * [from DanC]

14:41:15 [Zakim]

11. extra teleconferences in January [from DanC]

14:41:16 [Zakim]

12. issue clean-up: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#update , http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#nameValueForms [from DanC]

14:43:19 [LeeF]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:43:19 [Zakim]

On the phone I see PatH, ??P6, JanneS, AndyS, LeeF, DanC, Jeen, EricP, SteveH

14:43:25 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

14:43:25 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "comment: SPARQL Results Format and Unbound Variables" taken up [from DanC]

14:43:26 [LeeF]

zakim, ??P6 is temporarily JosD

14:43:27 [Zakim]

+JosD; got it

14:43:41 [DanC]

PROPOSED: to adopt option C 'collapsed' from Jeen's msg of 13 Dec, elaborated 14 Dec, along with ammendment to drop sorting constraint from Lee

14:44:36 [DanC]

RESOLVED, EricP abstaining.

14:44:57 [DanC]

ACTION Jeen: edit results format per C 'collapsed' ; drop sorting constraint

14:46:01 [DanC]

ACTION Lee: review XSLT in results format update

14:46:11 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

14:46:11 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "issues#wsdlAbstractProtocol" taken up [from DanC]

14:46:43 [DanC]

DONE: ACTION: DanC to notifty DAWG of WSDL response to our WSDL comments. PaulD 15 Nov.

14:47:11 [DanC]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0231.html query by reference

14:48:05 [DanC]

DanC: I gather there's support, modulo detail concerns

14:48:11 [Zakim]

+ +1.813.235.aaaa

14:48:18 [DanC]

AndyS: actually, I don't find sufficient motivation

14:48:20 [EliasT]

Zakim, +1.813.235.aaaa is EliasT

14:48:20 [Zakim]

+EliasT; got it

14:48:36 [EliasT]

Zakim, mute me

14:48:36 [Zakim]

EliasT should now be muted

14:49:21 [LeeF]

ericP: would adding support for query by reference mean adding a use case in uc&r?

14:49:27 [LeeF]

DanC: not necessarily

14:50:14 [LeeF]

ACTION: KendallC to propose revised WSDL descripton of SPARQL protocol

14:50:16 [LeeF]

CONTINUES

14:50:23 [LeeF]

ACTION KC: review sparql-types for xs:any weirdness, w.r.t. WSDL 2.0 constraints

14:50:25 [LeeF]

CONTINUES

14:50:25 [DanC]

Zakim, close this item

14:50:25 [Zakim]

agendum 3 closed

14:50:26 [Zakim]

I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:50:28 [Zakim]

4. # Toward updated protocol WD [from DanC]

14:50:32 [DanC]

Zakim, take up item 5

14:50:32 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "protocol testing update" taken up [from DanC]

14:51:00 [EliasT]

Zakim, unmute me

14:51:00 [Zakim]

EliasT should no longer be muted

14:52:35 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:52:35 [Zakim]

On the phone I see PatH, JosD, EliasT, JanneS, AndyS, LeeF, DanC, Jeen, EricP, SteveH

14:52:56 [LeeF]

EliasT: I should have time to finish protocol test suite in the coming weeks

14:54:43 [DanC]

ACTION EliasT: recruit somebody to try out the protocol test harness, perhaps from the -comments list

14:54:49 [DanC]

Zakim, close this item

14:54:50 [Zakim]

agendum 5 closed

14:54:51 [Zakim]

I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:54:53 [Zakim]

4. # Toward updated protocol WD [from DanC]

14:55:01 [LeeF]

ACTION: Jeen try to reproduces EliasT's protocol testing results

14:55:03 [LeeF]

CONTINUES

14:55:54 [DanC]

seen opera, govtrack http://esw.w3.org/topic/DawgShows

14:57:25 [DanC]

DanC: when was last release? 14 September 2005. just over 3 monts. ripe for another.

14:57:30 [DanC]

more when Kendall returns.

14:57:40 [DanC]

Zakimm, close this item

14:57:48 [DanC]

Zakim, close this item

14:57:48 [Zakim]

I do not know what agendum had been taken up, DanC

14:57:53 [DanC]

Zakim, close item 4

14:57:53 [Zakim]

agendum 4, # Toward updated protocol WD, closed

14:57:54 [Zakim]

I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:57:55 [Zakim]

6. issues#rdfSemantics [from DanC]

14:58:10 [LeeF]

ACTION: KendallC to add a modified version of http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#security to protocol editor's draft, as well as a pointer to the section in rq23 itself

14:58:12 [LeeF]

CONTINUES

14:58:12 [DanC]

Zakim, take up CONSTRUCT

14:58:12 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'take up CONSTRUCT', DanC

14:58:17 [LeeF]

ACTION: KendallC to remove uses of "my" in URIs in protocol spec

14:58:18 [LeeF]

CONTINUES

14:58:19 [DanC]

Zakim, take up item CONSTRUCT

14:58:19 [Zakim]

agendum 10. "CONSTRUCT *" taken up [from DanC]

14:59:18 [ericP]

q+ to mention annotea experience

15:00:21 [DanC]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0266.html andy on construct *

15:01:10 [DanC]

ack ericp

15:01:11 [Zakim]

ericP, you wanted to mention annotea experience

15:02:26 [DanC]

noodling on poll options: (a) action ppl to sketch tests (pref EricP, JeenB) (b) decide it's not worth the bother, and that it should wait for rules, perhaps

15:03:59 [SteveH]

steve

15:04:00 [LeeF]

jeen: SeRQL does Andy's option 2 - ???

15:04:00 [LeeF]

(missed the extra explanation, sorry)

15:04:06 [LeeF]

ericP: prefers to leave it as LC

15:04:11 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

15:04:11 [Zakim]

On the phone I see PatH, JosD, EliasT, JanneS, AndyS, LeeF, DanC, Jeen, EricP, SteveH

15:04:27 [LeeF]

patH: no opionion; +.5 A

15:04:44 [LeeF]

EliasT: +1 b

15:04:50 [jeen]

(lee, yeah, that's what it does: just compile a single graph (without context information) from the union of all graph patterns)

15:04:59 [LeeF]

(thanks, jeen)

15:05:04 [AndyS]

ARQ used to do sort of 1-ish and 2-ish - took it out when "CONSTRUCT *" removed

15:05:31 [LeeF]

JanneS: +1 a , needs more study

15:05:34 [LeeF]

AndyS: +.5 a

15:06:05 [LeeF]

DanC: +1 b (schedule grounds)

15:06:08 [LeeF]

jeen: +1 a

15:06:11 [SteveH]

+0.5 b

15:06:15 [LeeF]

ericP: +1 b

15:06:18 [SteveH]

(no voice)

15:06:20 [LeeF]

SteveH: +.5 b

15:06:24 [LeeF]

JosD: +1 b

15:08:09 [DanC]

PROPOSED: to leave out CONSTRUCT *, as the cost of delaying the SPARQL spec to work out the design details, and the risk of conflict with rules designs, outweighs the convenience of adding it

15:08:24 [Zakim]

-Jeen

15:08:39 [LeeF]

ericP: convenience method for reproducing query is at odds with if you have a graph with non-RDF knowledge, finding a way to incorporate it as RDF in the result

15:08:59 [LeeF]

RESOLVED

15:09:10 [DanC]

ACTION AndyS: respond re CONSTRUCT *

15:09:37 [DanC]

Zakim, close this item

15:09:37 [Zakim]

agendum 10 closed

15:09:38 [Zakim]

I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

15:09:40 [Zakim]

6. issues#rdfSemantics [from DanC]

15:10:11 [LeeF]

DONE: ACTION PatH: suggest where "simple entailment" should go, re rdfSemantics. progress/done -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0340.html

15:11:26 [LeeF]

AndyS: thinks that everyone is in agreement in the non-told-bnodes case of rdfSemantics

15:11:53 [DanC]

postponed told bnodes 12 July http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#bnodeRef

15:12:07 [LeeF]

AndyS: working group has decided to postpone bnode issue http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#bnodeRef

15:12:45 [LeeF]

DanC: all design options i can see exceed our charter. i'd need a strong use case and requirement to consider this...

15:13:22 [LeeF]

AndyS: URI solution has a drawback -- dealing with someone else's date who has, for example, a lot of lists in it

15:14:04 [LeeF]

DanC: Understood -- our responsibility is the ?var part that gets to the list; RDF Core's job for the rest of it

15:16:12 [LeeF]

patH: disagreement with Sergio over whether querying an axiom against an empty graph which supports RDF-S entailment should succeed (patH - no, Sergio - yes)

15:16:14 [SteveH]

hard to say

15:16:24 [AndyS]

SELECT * { ?s ?p ?o }

15:16:59 [DanC]

rdfs:Class rdfs:subClassOf rdfs:Resource # an RDFS axiom

15:17:07 [LeeF]

ASK {rdfs:Class rdfs:subClassOf ?x}

15:17:09 [LeeF]

true or false?

15:17:17 [LeeF]

against an empty graph

15:17:33 [SteveH]

3store doesnt allow rdfs queries against empty graphs, it adds the axiomatic triples when you create the kb

15:18:11 [AndyS]

So 3Store just does not have empty graphs? - i.e. query is always against the logical closure

15:18:17 [LeeF]

JosD: in this case it will be empty but if you ask about rdf:containerMembershipProperty than you would get an answer (?? couldn't hear clearly)

15:18:24 [SteveH]

AndyS, yes, if you turn on inferencing

15:18:53 [AndyS]

Thx - that's clear. The name-of-logical-closure seems relevant here.

15:19:16 [DanC]

SELECT ?P WHERE { ?V rdf:type rdfs:ContainerMembershipProperty } # pat asks JosD, against empty graph

15:19:32 [LeeF]

(thanks, DanC)

15:20:08 [ericP]

PatH, does this affect both FROM empty:graph ASK {?s ?p ?o} and FROM rdfs:closure(empty:graph) ASK {?s ?p ?o}

15:20:52 [LeeF]

JosD: If you ask about a particular rdfs:ContainerMembershipProperty then you will get an answer

15:21:03 [LeeF]

patH: Debate is only about variable bindings

15:21:44 [LeeF]

AndyS: sounds like a feature to me

15:22:02 [JosD]

ELECT ?P WHERE { ?P rdf:type rdfs:ContainerMembershipProperty } no answer

15:22:34 [AndyS]

ELECT? Update proposal? :-)

15:23:17 [JosD]

:)

15:23:42 [LeeF]

DanC: Does this design postpone OWL Disjunction issue?

15:23:51 [DanC]

... in a tasteful way?

15:24:08 [LeeF]

AndyS: I think it allows OWL Disjunction...

15:24:28 [LeeF]

patH: Allows the little house example when extended to OWL entailment

15:24:42 [ericP]

ASK { [] rdf:type rdfs:ContainerMembershipProperty }

15:24:51 [ericP]

ASK { ?V rdf:type rdfs:ContainerMembershipProperty }

15:24:59 [LeeF]

ericP: first one is true, second is false?

15:25:10 [LeeF]

patH: yes -- there's nothing to bind ?V to in the seccond case

15:25:24 [LeeF]

ericP: are you wrong if those aren't your answers?

15:25:34 [LeeF]

AndyS: No, then you'd only be using simple entailment [not RDF-S entailment]

15:26:09 [LeeF]

ericP: are we acting against the virtual graph?

15:26:19 [ericP]

ASK { [] [] [] }

15:26:24 [LeeF]

patH: we're acting against an intelligent closure -- doesn't add in infinitely many unnecessary triples

15:27:03 [DanC]

PROPOSED: that http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/ 1.596 addresses rdfSemantics, and that it's sufficient to postpone owlDisjunction, contingent on acceptance (including silence) by UMD and Free University of Bozen-Bolzano by this Friday

15:27:16 [LeeF]

patH: 10 01ASK { [] [] [] } fails with simple entailment, succeeds with any entailment that adds axiomatic triples

15:27:44 [DanC]

PROPOSED: that http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/ 1.596 addresses rdfSemantics, and that it's sufficient to postpone owlDisjunction, contingent on acceptance (including silence) by UMD and Free University of Bozen-Bolzano by this Friday. ACTION PatH, DanC to respond to PFPS, Horrocks, et. al.

15:29:08 [LeeF]

patH: little house example is a counter-example to the idea of using OWL closures. works with OWL entailment

15:29:16 [LeeF]

DanC: ...at which point we're no longer in the SPARQL spec

15:29:48 [AndyS]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#BasicGraphPatternMatching

15:29:55 [EliasT]

Zakim, mute me

15:29:55 [Zakim]

EliasT should now be muted

15:29:59 [DanC]

PROPOSED: that http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/ 1.596 (@@NO TOLD BNODES options) addresses rdfSemantics, and that it's sufficient to postpone owlDisjunction, contingent on acceptance (including silence) by UMD and Free University of Bozen-Bolzano by this Friday. ACTION PatH, DanC to respond to PFPS, Horrocks, et. al.

15:30:01 [ericP]

is [] an alluded-to bNode?

15:30:24 [DanC]

PROPOSED: that http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/ 1.596 (section 2, @@NO TOLD BNODES options) addresses rdfSemantics, and that it's sufficient to postpone owlDisjunction, contingent on acceptance (including silence) by UMD and Free University of Bozen-Bolzano by this Friday. ACTION PatH, DanC to respond to PFPS, Horrocks, et. al.

15:31:22 [Zakim]

+ +1.603.930.aabb

15:31:47 [DanC]

Zakim, aabb is SouriD

15:31:47 [Zakim]

+SouriD; got it

15:32:54 [DanC]

PROPOSED: that http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/ 1.596 (section 2, @@NO TOLD BNODES options) addresses rdfSemantics, and that it's sufficient to postpone owlDisjunction, contingent on acceptance (including silence) by UMD and Free University of Bozen-Bolzano in a week (by 27 Dec). ACTION PatH, DanC to respond to PFPS, Horrocks, et. al.

15:33:14 [SteveH]

yes

15:33:16 [EliasT]

second

15:33:48 [DanC]

so RESOLVED.

15:33:49 [LeeF]

RESOLVED

15:33:53 [AndyS]

ACTION AndyS: Revise rq23 to reflect the decison (remove told bnode text)

15:34:08 [LeeF]

DONE: ACTION PatH: to get Enrico's feedback on PatH's proposal to stick to the Last Call design

15:34:12 [DanC]

ACTION DanC: with PatH to respond to PFPS, Horrocks, et. al.

15:34:43 [LeeF]

WITHDRAWN: ACTION: Bijan to take a pass through the editor's draft, listing what will change with the new semantics understanding, and what will not

15:34:49 [LeeF]

WITHDRAWN: ACTION: Enrico to take a pass through the editor's draft, listing what will change with the new semantics understanding ...

15:34:56 [LeeF]

WITHDRAWN: ACTION Bijan: estimate impact of "abstract syntax entailment" etc. on WG test harness

15:34:58 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

15:34:58 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "issues#rdfSemantics" taken up [from DanC]

15:35:02 [DanC]

Zakim, close item 6

15:35:02 [Zakim]

agendum 6, issues#rdfSemantics, closed

15:35:03 [Zakim]

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

15:35:04 [Zakim]

7. issues#valueTesting [from DanC]

15:35:17 [DanC]

agenda?

15:35:47 [DanC]

PROPOSED: to postpone http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#update

15:35:57 [SteveH]

+1

15:36:01 [DanC]

so RESOLVED.

15:36:35 [DanC]

anybody seen http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#nameValueForms

15:36:59 [DanC]

Zakim, take up item 8

15:36:59 [Zakim]

agendum 8. "test suite maintenance" taken up

15:37:39 [DanC]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0379.html andy on double/decimal tests

15:38:04 [SteveH]

html should be updated

15:38:09 [AndyS]

ta

15:38:55 [DanC]

revision 1.2 date: 2005/12/13 14:14:56DataAccess/tests/data/ExprEquals/query-eq-graph-2.rq

15:39:08 [Zakim]

-SouriD

15:39:12 [SteveH]

yes, but i think i fail them

15:39:46 [ericP]

agenda request: f2f at TP

15:40:07 [LeeF]

DONE: ACTION: AndyS to Make the decimal/double test changes for later WG approval -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0335.html

15:40:07 [DanC]

Zakim, take up item 11

15:40:07 [Zakim]

agendum 11. "extra teleconferences in January" taken up [from DanC]

15:40:24 [Zakim]

+??P3

15:40:34 [LeeF]

CONTINUES: ACTION: EricP to fix test schema to match manifest with negative tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action16 ]

15:40:41 [LeeF]

CONTINUES: ACTION: DanC to follow up re optional test based on op:dateTime triple

15:40:59 [LeeF]

CONTINUES: ACTION DaveB: add to test suite the temperature case from comment on truth tables in commentor's message -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Aug/0030.html

15:41:01 [ericP]

zakim, ??P3 is SouriD

15:41:01 [Zakim]

+SouriD; got it

15:41:56 [JanneS]

wed+thu same time 1430utc works for me - the earlier the better. Have to go for tonight. cheers

15:42:09 [Zakim]

-JanneS

15:42:14 [LeeF]

cheers, JanneS

15:42:28 [DanC]

PROPOSED: to have telcons Thursdays, 11amET 5, 12, 19, 26 Jan

15:42:45 [SteveH]

whats that in utc?

15:43:06 [DanC]

PROPOSED: to have telcons Thursdays, 11amET/1600UTC 5, 12, 19, 26 Jan

15:43:16 [SteveH]

i will be 15mins late

15:43:18 [LeeF]

and keep Tuesdays at 14:30UTC?

15:43:31 [DanC]

yes, and keep 14:30 UTC

15:43:44 [EliasT]

I can too..

15:44:31 [DanC]

RESOLVED: to have telcons Thursdays, 11amET/1600UTC for 1 hour, 5, 12, 19, 26 Jan, and to keep Tuesdays at 14:30UTC, 60 to 90 minutes (hoping for more like 60)

15:45:20 [DanC]

agenda?

15:45:29 [DanC]

Topic: ftf

15:45:43 [DanC]

Topic: ftf at TP in 2-3Mar

15:46:53 [SteveH]

yes to meeting

15:46:59 [AndyS]

and discuss LC comments. LC may be closed by then.

15:47:22 [DanC]

possible goals: * organizing CR test work * outreach, dev support * future work, postponed issues (overlap with rules)

15:48:31 [DanC]

-> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/tp6groups.html TP2006 Working Groups f2f and Room Allocation [ACL?]

15:49:22 [EliasT]

me too

15:49:42 [SteveH]

y

15:50:26 [DanC]

(andy, I'm having serious 2nd thoughts about whether to have a 2nd last call or not)

15:51:12 [DanC]

PROPOSED: to meet 2-3Mar 2006 in the W3C Technical Plenary in the south of France [nothing this goes beyond current 31 Jan 2006 charter duration]

15:51:26 [AndyS]

(DanC, that's cool)

15:51:29 [ericP]

s/nothing/noting/

15:51:34 [DanC]

so RESOLVED.

15:51:52 [DanC]

ADJOURN

15:51:56 [Zakim]

-SouriD

15:52:00 [Zakim]

-PatH

15:52:01 [Zakim]

-JosD

15:52:02 [LeeF]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:52:03 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/20-dawg-minutes.html LeeF

15:52:03 [Zakim]

-EliasT

15:52:03 [AndyS]

Horray! #rdfSemantics

15:52:04 [DanC]

RRSAgent, make logs world-access

15:52:06 [SteveH]

bye

15:52:10 [Zakim]

-SteveH

15:52:16 [Zakim]

-EricP

15:52:18 [Zakim]

-LeeF

15:52:20 [DanC]

indeed, I'm counting the rdfSemantics decision as a christmas present

15:52:23 [Zakim]

-AndyS

15:52:29 [Zakim]

-DanC

15:52:30 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended

15:52:32 [Zakim]

Attendees were LeeF, JanneS, AndyS, DanC, EricP, Jeen, SteveH, PatH, JosD, EliasT, +1.603.930.aabb, SouriD

15:52:39 [AndyS]

AndyS has left #dawg

15:57:11 [EliasT]

EliasT has left #dawg

15:58:38 [DanC]

RRSAgent, stop