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14:51:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DBWG
14:51:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WS_DBWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
14:51:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Databinding WG Teleconference
14:51:56 <trackbot> Date: 20 December 2005
14:52:23 <pauld> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:53:07 <pauld> Chair: Paul_Downey
14:54:11 <pauld> agenda+ Status of Deliverables
14:54:16 <pauld> zakim, show agenda
14:54:16 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
14:54:18 <Zakim> 1. Meeting Administrivia [from pauld]
14:54:20 <Zakim> 2. Status of Deliverables [from pauld]
14:54:48 <pauld> agenda+ on databinding and programming languages
14:54:59 <pauld> agenda+ ISSUE-1: Scope of Structures to be Addressed
14:55:10 <pauld> agenda+ ISSUE-3: Mapping Simple Numeric Types with Infinite Value Space
14:55:18 <pauld> agenda+ Collection of Databinding tools?
14:55:22 <Ajith> Ajith has joined #databinding
14:55:29 <pauld> agenda+ ISSUE-2: WSDL and the Test Suite
14:55:37 <pauld> agenda+ Any Other Business
14:58:26 <pauld> zakim, this will be db
14:58:26 <Zakim> ok, pauld; I see WS_DBWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:01:10 <Zakim> WS_DBWG()10:00AM has now started
15:01:18 <Zakim> + +1.781.442.aaaa
15:02:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:14 <pauld> zakim, code?
15:02:15 <Zakim> the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), pauld
15:02:27 <Zakim> + +44.144.250.aabb
15:03:03 <pauld> zakim, aaaa is sekhar
15:03:03 <Zakim> +sekhar; got it
15:03:06 <Zakim> + +44.173.247.aacc
15:03:19 <pauld> zakim, aacc is jonc
15:03:19 <Zakim> +jonc; got it
15:03:32 <pauld> zakim, ipcaller is Ajith
15:03:32 <Zakim> +Ajith; got it
15:03:39 <pauld> zakim, who is here
15:03:39 <Zakim> pauld, you need to end that query with '?'
15:03:42 <pauld> zakim, who is here?
15:03:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see sekhar, Ajith, +44.144.250.aabb, jonc
15:03:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ajith, RRSAgent, Zakim, pauld, trackbot, Yves
15:04:06 <pauld> zakim, aabb is me
15:04:06 <Zakim> +pauld; got it
15:05:05 <pauld> zakim, agenda?
15:05:05 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda:
15:05:06 <Zakim> 1. Meeting Administrivia [from pauld]
15:05:07 <Zakim> 2. Status of Deliverables [from pauld]
15:05:09 <Zakim> 3. on databinding and programming languages [from pauld]
15:05:11 <Zakim> 4. ISSUE-1: Scope of Structures to be Addressed [from pauld]
15:05:12 <Zakim> 5. ISSUE-3: Mapping Simple Numeric Types with Infinite Value Space [from pauld]
15:05:13 <Zakim> 6. Collection of Databinding tools? [from pauld]
15:05:14 <Zakim> 7. ISSUE-2: WSDL and the Test Suite [from pauld]
15:05:15 <Zakim> 8. Any Other Business [from pauld]
15:05:43 <Zakim> +??P28
15:05:51 <JonC> JonC has joined #databinding
15:06:04 <pauld> zakim, ?P28 is JonC
15:06:04 <Zakim> sorry, pauld, I do not recognize a party named '?P28'
15:06:17 <pauld> zakim, p28 is vladislav
15:06:17 <Zakim> sorry, pauld, I do not recognize a party named 'p28'
15:06:22 <pauld> zakim, ?p28 is vladislav
15:06:22 <Zakim> sorry, pauld, I do not recognize a party named '?p28'
15:06:36 <pauld> zakim, ?28 is vladislav
15:06:38 <Zakim> sorry, pauld, I do not recognize a party named '?28'
15:06:38 <JonC> scribe:JonC
15:06:44 <pauld> zakim, p28 is vladislav
15:06:44 <Zakim> sorry, pauld, I do not recognize a party named 'p28'
15:06:50 <pauld> zakim, ?P28 is vladislav
15:06:50 <Zakim> sorry, pauld, I do not recognize a party named '?P28'
15:07:02 <pauld> zakim, next agendum
15:07:02 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Meeting Administrivia" taken up [from pauld]
15:07:55 <JonC> Chair calls for appoval for previous minutes from 6th & 13 December
15:08:06 <JonC> Minutes approved
15:08:19 <pauld> zakim, next agendum
15:08:19 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Status of Deliverables" taken up [from pauld]
15:08:36 <pauld>  http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/databinding/
15:09:18 <JonC> Group is trialling use of Tracker for keeping track of group issues
15:10:23 <JonC> PaulD ,Yves and Zjith volnteered already for editor roles
15:10:40 <JonC> Paul will post blank documents to get ball rolling
15:11:05 <pauld> zakim, next agendum
15:11:05 <Zakim> agendum 3. "on databinding and programming languages" taken up [from pauld]
15:12:49 <pauld> zakim, next agendum
15:12:49 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ISSUE-1: Scope of Structures to be Addressed" taken up [from pauld]
15:15:42 <JonC> Chair: action for vladislav to decompose issue and split into 2.
15:16:23 <pauld> ACTION: Vladislav to raise a separate issue for rationalle to appear in the Basic patterns for how structures are collected
15:16:24 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Vladislav
15:16:24 <JonC> ACTION:vladislav to raise seperate issue for rationale
15:16:41 <pauld> ACTION-1
15:18:11 <JonC> chair: we need to think about how we collect and structure patterns as one issue and desdcribe rationale seperately
15:18:49 <pauld> zakim, agena?
15:18:49 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, pauld.
15:18:59 <pauld> zakim, agenda?
15:18:59 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
15:19:00 <Zakim> 4. ISSUE-1: Scope of Structures to be Addressed [from pauld]
15:19:01 <Zakim> 5. ISSUE-3: Mapping Simple Numeric Types with Infinite Value Space [from pauld]
15:19:02 <Zakim> 6. Collection of Databinding tools? [from pauld]
15:19:03 <Zakim> 7. ISSUE-2: WSDL and the Test Suite [from pauld]
15:19:05 <Zakim> 8. Any Other Business [from pauld]
15:19:55 <pauld> zakim, move to 5
15:19:55 <Zakim> I don't understand 'move to 5', pauld
15:20:01 <pauld> zakim, move to agendum 5
15:20:04 <Zakim> agendum 5. "ISSUE-3: Mapping Simple Numeric Types with Infinite Value Space" taken up [from pauld]
15:20:05 <JonC> Erik Johnson chair of WSI SWPWG has raised a specific issue over use of xs:integer
15:22:47 <JonC> chair: what do we do in this repect? Don't feel comfortable in restricting use of xs:integer
15:25:30 <JonC> Sekhar: correct we cannot do this., but must be aware certain datatypes will not give us the optimum representation
15:26:05 <JonC> chair: suggests we craft some words aroud this area to guide rather than restrict
15:28:15 <JonC> ajith: question about what we are producing, is it a clear subset of schema constructs and datatypes that work well
15:29:17 <JonC> ACTION: pauld to write to Erik with proposed text that will advise on the value space to use
15:29:17 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - pauld
15:30:16 <pauld> zakim, move to agendum 7
15:30:16 <Zakim> agendum 7. "ISSUE-2: WSDL and the Test Suite" taken up [from pauld]
15:30:38 <pauld> Jonc: thinking about how our documents and the test suite will be most useful
15:31:13 <pauld> .. suggest a standard way of generating example patterns so they can be easily wrapped in WSDL
15:31:39 <pauld> .. use standard namespace and element
15:31:53 <pauld> sekhar: do we host these tests somewhere?
15:32:26 <pauld> jonc: yes, not just a single (reference) endpoint - maybe implemented by others
15:32:50 <pauld> .. enables a databinder to echo the structure through a mapping
15:35:20 <pauld> sekhar: asks for clarification
15:36:14 <pauld> jonc: aims to turn examples mechanically into WSDL documents
15:40:19 <JonC> ACTION:JonC to produce strawman template for submitting examples
15:42:24 <JonC> sekhar: last time was making point that w3c is already testing schema constructs, but recognises this is focused on web services and tooling
15:43:27 <JonC> sekhar, what is the goal for this group? to include all of schema wg testsuite will be a LOT of work
15:44:20 <JonC> chair:agreed and there are features that we already know will not give a good experience
15:45:55 <JonC> chair: will wait to see what JonC produces as strawman
15:46:52 <pauld> zakim, move to agendum 6
15:46:52 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Collection of Databinding tools?" taken up [from pauld]
15:47:37 <JonC> chair: There are other groups that collect/publish schema. Is there value in us creating a list of these resource
15:48:49 <JonC> s /schema/toolkit resources/
15:49:33 <JonC> chair: doers anyone feel strong;ly about this. There cpould be a concern about creating somehting that looks like a registry
15:50:01 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 10 minutes; all ports must be freed
15:50:04 <JonC> ACTION: pauld to contact schema working group and see if we can re-use their list
15:50:04 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - pauld
15:51:34 <JonC> chair: best dates for f2f is 30th Jan 1st Feb
15:52:02 <JonC> chair: cannot host in London, Nice is available
15:52:30 <JonC> chair: participation may well be very low. Is there any value in having only 5 people for  f2f?
15:53:09 <JonC> sekhar:value may be questionable, might be best to wait till plenary
15:54:07 <JonC> chair: will talk with Yves, may re-issue/revamp questionairre over holidays, please keep an eye out for it
15:55:01 <JonC> chair:reminds group that next 2 telcons are cancelled. Next call is scheduled for 10th January
15:55:02 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 5 minutes; all ports must be freed
15:55:10 <JonC> chair: AOB?
15:55:21 <JonC> none raised
15:55:30 <Zakim> -??P28
15:55:31 <Zakim> -sekhar
15:55:33 <Zakim> -jonc
15:55:48 <pauld> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:55:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/20-databinding-minutes.html pauld
15:56:00 <Zakim> -Ajith
15:58:02 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 2 minutes; all ports must be freed
15:59:04 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 1 minute; all ports must be freed
15:59:53 <pauld> zakim, bye
15:59:53 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +1.781.442.aaaa, +44.144.250.aabb, sekhar, +44.173.247.aacc, jonc, Ajith, pauld
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17:10:34 <pauld> s/chair:/pauld: /g
17:10:49 <pauld> s/Chair:/pauld: /g
17:11:00 <pauld> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:11:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/20-databinding-minutes.html pauld
17:12:04 <pauld> Chair: pauld
17:12:07 <pauld> Chair: pauld
17:12:09 <pauld> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:12:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/20-databinding-minutes.html pauld
17:13:22 <pauld> s/ACTION:/ACTION: /g
17:14:26 <pauld> Agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2005Dec/0017.html
17:15:16 <pauld> Present: Sekhar,  Jonc, Ajith, pauld, Vladislav
17:15:20 <pauld> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:15:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/20-databinding-minutes.html pauld
17:16:28 <pauld> s/pauld: Paul_Downey/Chair: pauld/
17:16:31 <pauld> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:16:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/20-databinding-minutes.html pauld
18:33:03 <Zakim> Zakim has left #databinding
18:35:23 <pauld> rrsagent, byt
18:35:23 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'byt', pauld.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
18:35:26 <pauld> rrsagent, bye
18:35:26 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/20-databinding-actions.rdf :
18:35:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: vladislav to raise seperate issue for rationale [2]
18:35:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/20-databinding-irc#T15-16-24-1
18:35:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pauld to write to Erik with proposed text that will advise on the value space to use [3]
18:35:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/20-databinding-irc#T15-29-17
18:35:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JonC to produce strawman template for submitting examples [4]
18:35:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/20-databinding-irc#T15-40-19
18:35:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pauld to contact schema working group and see if we can re-use their list [5]
18:35:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/20-databinding-irc#T15-50-04