IRC log of wai-wcag on 2005-12-15
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/12/15-wai-wcag-irc
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/0807.html
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- RRSAgent, make log world
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- Meeting: WCAG Weekly Teleconference
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- agenda+ Update and proposal for going forward <http://tinyurl.com/abaug>
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- agenda+ close all unanimous survey items
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- agenda+ Issues for Guideline 2.2 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051205time-limits/results>
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- agenda+ Issues for Guideline 1.2 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051205media-equiv/results>
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- agenda+ Issues for Guideline 2.5 and definition of "multimedia" <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051215_2-5/results>
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- agenda+ Issues for Guideline 1.3 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2005-12-15-1-3/results>
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- agenda+ Issues for Guideline 2.4 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051215nav-mech/results>
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- agenda+ Issues for Guideline 2.1 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2005-12-15-2-1/results>
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- agenda+ Issues for 3.2 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2005-12-15-3-2/results>
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- agenda+ Planning and next steps
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- chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden and John_Slatin
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- RRSAgent, off
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Bengt_Farre, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell
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- +[IPcaller]
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
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- +John_Slatin
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- +Makoto_Ueki; got it
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- +Judy
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- +Matt
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- +Becky_Gibson
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- +??P14
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- zakim, ??P14 is rellero
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- +rellero; got it
- 21:03:40 [ben]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 21:03:40 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Bengt_Farre, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Makoto_Ueki, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin, Judy, Matt, Becky_Gibson, rellero
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- + +31.17.249.aaaa
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- zakim, +31.17.249.aaaa is Yvette_Hoitink
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- +Yvette_Hoitink; got it
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- +Michael_Cooper
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- scribe: Becky
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- scribe: Becky
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Update and proposal for going forward <http://tinyurl.com/abaug>" taken up [from ben]
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Update and proposal for going forward <http://tinyurl.com/abaug>" taken up [from ben]
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- +??P16
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- zakim, ??P16 is Kesh
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- +Kesh; got it
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- zakim, Kesh is Kerstin_Goldsmith
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- +Kerstin_Goldsmith; got it
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- +Tim_Boland
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack Judy
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- ack John
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- ack David
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- ack Tim
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- ack John
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- +Wendy
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- resolution: adopt plan posted by GV on 14 December 2005 for continuing forward to Last Call and beyond
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- zakim, take up aggendum 2
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- I don't understand 'take up aggendum 2', Becky
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- zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2. "close all unanimous survey items" taken up [from ben]
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- Resolution: accept unanimous survey responses for for guidelines 2.2, 1.2, 2.5, 1.3, 2.4 and 2.1: 880, 943,987, 1153, 1743, 565, 795, 1088, 1145, 1350, 1609, 506, 603, 604, 938, 1333, 1496, 1497, 1516, 1648, 1650, 1651, 1742, 510, 808, 946, 948, 1131, 1136, 1319, 1391, 1442, 1503, 1709, 681, 875, 876, 940, 1090, 1619, 1739, 1042, 1379, 1380, 1210, 1211, 1620, 874
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- rationale: there was unanimous agreement in the survey for the proposal to close these items.
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- Resolution: allow editors to deal with non-controverisal changes to benetifs, intent, examples sections which do not directly affect normative content.
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- ack Yvette
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 2 closed
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- I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 1. Update and proposal for going forward <http://tinyurl.com/abaug> [from ben]
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- zakim, close agendum 1
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- agendum 1, Update and proposal for going forward <http://tinyurl.com/abaug>, closed
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- I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. Issues for Guideline 2.2 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051205time-limits/results> [from ben]
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- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "Issues for Guideline 2.2 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051205time-limits/results>" taken up [from ben]
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- Topic: issue #1044
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- me/ says we all get stuck when taking notes here or there
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- Resolution: close 1044 with addition of rationale for to buzilla and intent section of How To Meet document
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- Rationale:Rationale: 3 seconds is based on something long enough to get users attention and not so long as to prevent someone who could not work with the flashing going on from being able to wait it out. The Working group reached consensus on the 3 second limit.
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- Topic: issue #1550
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- Resolution: close issue 1550 with rational as proposed in survey: Addressed by NOTE linking to Guideline 2.3 (Allow users to avoid content that could cause seizures due to photosensitivity) and definitiions for 'general flash threshold' or 'red flash threshold'.
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- Topic: issue 1092
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- Resolution: Close 1092 with rational in survey(imilar to 943, but ASW suggested "adding minimum absolute time" which is include in the 23 November 2005 WD. Also edits adopted in current WD cover Roberto Castaldo's suggestion "allowing the user to request more time when it is going to expire".) and time specified in clause 2 is self calibrating and language is harmonizing with other accessibility statements.
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- Topic: issue 1382
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- Resolution; close issue 1382 with rationale in the survey: The many issues raised about Usability have been addressed in the 23 November 2005 Working Draft. Also, 26 May 2005 teleconference: blinking will not be banned.
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- Topic: issue 1383
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- ack Yvette
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- ack John
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- q+
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- q+
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- q-
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- q+
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- ack David
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- q-
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- Action: David propose updated wording for SC 2.2.3 to address "timing and movement"
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- Action: John to review 1383 and possibly propose updated wording for 2.2.5
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- issue 1383 remains open.
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- Topic: issue 1459
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- q+
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- ack j
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- s/Topic: issue 1459/Topic: issue 1459 and 1552
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- q+
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- q+ to offer pt of information wrt policy info on wai site: you have the option of linking to /WAI/Policy/ but it is not guaranteed to be updated or comprehensive.
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- RRSAGent, make logs public
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- RRSAgent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/15-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
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- q?
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- ack Judy
- 22:25:44 [Zakim]
- Judy, you wanted to offer pt of information wrt policy info on wai site: you have the option of linking to /WAI/Policy/ but it is not guaranteed to be updated or comprehensive.
- 22:26:34 [Becky]
- Resolution: close issue 1449 and 1445. Do not modify the SC because extending time limits is a form of disability accomodations. Editors will update the intents section to reflect this.
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
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- I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 22:26:49 [Zakim]
- 4. Issues for Guideline 1.2 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051205media-equiv/results> [from ben]
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- zakim, take up item 4
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- agendum 4. "Issues for Guideline 1.2 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051205media-equiv/results>" taken up [from ben]
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- Topic: issue 1152
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- I'm sorry, have to leave now, bye
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- -rellero
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- q+
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- q-
- 22:35:25 [ben]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 22:35:27 [David]
- zakim, mute tim
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- Tim_Boland should now be muted
- 22:35:35 [Zakim]
- ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregg_Vanderheiden (44%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (9%), John_Slatin (14%), Becky_Gibson (54%)
- 22:37:42 [Becky]
- Action: John to review issue 1152 (which relates to SC 1.2.2) to address issue of multimedia that does not require audio description
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- issue 1152 remains open
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- Topic: issue 1151
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- ack Yve
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- ack Lor
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- -Kerstin_Goldsmith
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- Resolution: close issue 1151 with John's comment: "This issue is addressed in the section entitled 'Scoping of conformance claims.'". Rationale: the group feels that the items specified in the issue are all in the category of policy. The topic of music video is part of John's previous action item.
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- Topic: 1625
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- scribe: Ben
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- -Tim_Boland
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- resolution: reject proposals to require both captions AND audio descriptions at level 1
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- rationale: the working group felt that this was too high a bar at level 1
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- s/captions AND audio descriptions/captions AND transcripts
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- scribe: Becky
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- Topic: issue 1718
- 23:08:01 [Becky]
- Resolution: close issue 1718. Rationale: We now have a How To Meet document for 1.2.5 which provides more information.
- 23:11:08 [Becky]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 4 closed
- 23:11:10 [Zakim]
- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 23:11:11 [Zakim]
- 5. Issues for Guideline 2.5 and definition of "multimedia" <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051215_2-5/results> [from ben]
- 23:11:33 [Becky]
- zakim, take up item 5
- 23:11:33 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "Issues for Guideline 2.5 and definition of "multimedia" <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051215_2-5/results>" taken up [from ben]
- 23:11:40 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the call?
- 23:11:40 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Bengt_Farre, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Makoto_Ueki, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin, Judy, Matt, Becky_Gibson, Yvette_Hoitink,
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- ... Michael_Cooper, Wendy
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 5 closed
- 23:12:00 [Zakim]
- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 23:12:01 [Zakim]
- 6. Issues for Guideline 1.3 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2005-12-15-1-3/results> [from ben]
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- agedna?
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- agenda?
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- Topic: issue 1771
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- zakim, take up agendum 5
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- agendum 5. "Issues for Guideline 2.5 and definition of "multimedia" <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051215_2-5/results>" taken up [from ben]
- 23:15:27 [bengt]
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- -Bengt_Farre
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- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051215_2-5/results
- 23:19:30 [Becky]
- ack yve
- 23:19:45 [wendy]
- fyi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context-sensitive_help
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- Judy has left #wai-wcag
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- -Judy
- 23:31:46 [Zakim]
- -Makoto_Ueki
- 23:33:47 [Becky]
- Resolution: Close issue 1771 using the definition, "Help text that provides information related to the function currently being performed.". Delegate clean up of the intent section to the editors. Reject the current proposal for the additional technique
- 23:34:33 [Becky]
- Topic: issue 1652
- 23:36:42 [Becky]
- Resolution: close issue 1652. Update the text of GL 2.5 to, "Help users avoid mistakes and make it easy to correct mistakes that do occur." Rationale: working group agree that this is easier to understand and consistent with the success criteria.
- 23:37:09 [Becky]
- Topic: proposed definition of multimedia
- 23:48:45 [Becky]
- Resolution: Accept the following defintion of multimedia, "audio or video synchronized with another type of media and/or with time based interactive elements."
- 23:49:00 [Becky]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 5 closed
- 23:49:01 [Zakim]
- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 23:49:02 [Zakim]
- 6. Issues for Guideline 1.3 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2005-12-15-1-3/results> [from ben]
- 23:49:12 [Becky]
- zakim, take up item 6
- 23:49:12 [Zakim]
- agendum 6. "Issues for Guideline 1.3 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2005-12-15-1-3/results>" taken up [from ben]
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- q+
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- -Michael_Cooper
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- q-
- 23:58:30 [Becky]
- Topic: 1608
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- -Wendy
- 23:59:20 [ben]
- ack Yvette