IRC log of ua on 2005-12-15

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18:49:20 [jallan]

zakim, list conferences

18:49:20 [Zakim]

I see Team_(OSL)1:00PM active

18:49:22 [Zakim]

also scheduled at this time is Style_XSL WG()1:00PM

18:51:38 [jallan]

zakim, this will be UAWG

18:51:38 [Zakim]

ok, jallan; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 9 minutes

18:53:44 [Zakim]

WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started

18:53:51 [Zakim]

+Jim_Allan

18:55:06 [jallan]

agenda+ review action items

18:55:30 [jallan]

agenda+ Review issues related to UAAG and SVGT from message http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2005Dec/0021

18:56:15 [jallan]

agenda+ Review of UA:PF coordination meeting [member space http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-pf-minutes.html]

18:56:37 [jallan]

agenda+ SVG (embedded object) related topic: Scenario: have a page with embedded svg, user cannot focus on svg in browser using the keyboard (svg object is not focusable), so user cannot use any commands or functions available within svg object.

19:01:32 [Zakim]

+DPoehlman

19:02:00 [jallan]

Hi Dave, waiting on Jan

19:05:17 [Zakim]

+Jan_Richards

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DP: SVG though alt text issue belongs to uaag, actually it is wcag issue...

19:11:01 [JR]

DP: since then they say they have put in note and pointer to wcag

19:11:27 [JR]

DP: lots of stuff on keyboard nav that we may want to talk about Appendix F

19:13:03 [jallan]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2005Dec/0021

19:13:15 [JR]

DP: Dev Ind. is wrestlingwith navigation issues.

19:13:50 [JR]

DP: Need for a req for appropriate labelling that would work in any circumstance...

19:17:39 [JR]

DP: Roadmap can provide some answers...

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DP: Also new WG, Web app ui's or something...just starting

19:18:54 [JR]

JA: UAAG GL6 does cover embedded content of different types - in plugins etc.

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JA: Clearly support for some of this broken. (e.g. getting into SVG and navigating with keyboard)

19:20:27 [JR]

JA: We need more browser people.

19:20:41 [JR]

DP: PF has browser people...

19:22:10 [JR]

JA: ok, please bring that issue of getting into embedded content to pf

19:23:55 [JR]

action DP: bring svg nav in browser issue to pf

19:24:46 [JR]

re: Open: DP to cue 2 issues to xtech hidden/visible, and second is escape from

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container

19:25:00 [JR]

DP: send to pf as 2 issues, numbered 1 and 2

19:25:44 [JR]

DP:Will go on issues list this week...not sure when to be addressed

19:26:50 [JR]

http://www.w3.org/2005/12/01-ua-minutes.html#action02 done

19:27:41 [JR]

close action http://www.w3.org/2005/12/01-ua-minutes.html#action02

19:29:49 [JR]

3. Review of UA:PF coordination meeting [member space

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http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-pf-minutes.html]

19:30:09 [JR]

JA: AG was going to ask DP to do some work...

19:30:42 [JR]

DP: I will post issues to discussion list, but Lisa will log issues in Issues List

19:32:12 [JR]

action JA: review uaag archives related to passing keyboard control to objects and getting it back again

19:34:04 [JR]

JA: Have you looked into ability to remap accesskeys?

19:34:33 [JR]

DP: Yes but in SR it only maps SR keys not for browser.

19:35:31 [JR]

DP: Not always sure what accesskeys are going to do.

19:35:54 [JR]

DP: Looks like accesskeys may be on the way out.

19:37:02 [JR]

DP: Idea is to have browsers pick accesskeys

19:37:30 [JR]

DP: Jaws has a speak access keys feature.

19:37:45 [JR]

DP: Safrai might not do anything at all.

19:38:32 [JR]

DP: Safari makes up with great structure nav

19:38:53 [JR]

JA: Next meeting Jan 5

19:39:21 [JR]

JA: Still meetings every 2 weeks.

19:39:28 [JR]

DP: Will there be a 2.0?

19:39:32 [JR]

JA: any need?

19:40:53 [JR]

JR: Any obsolecence

19:41:08 [JR]

DP: Wasn't there conformance to go through CR?

19:41:31 [JR]

DP: Conformanc eto each checkpoint, but not to guidelines as a whole

19:42:43 [JR]

JA: We do need to do a formal review of WCAG.

19:43:00 [JR]

JA: They are hoping to go last call in March.

19:49:13 [JR]

JR: describes ATAG content-type specific benchmark doc

19:49:36 [JR]

DP: Would like to get a better mapping between uaag and atag

19:56:32 [JR]

JA: There are some serious interoperability issues.

19:58:21 [Zakim]

-DPoehlman

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-Jan_Richards

19:58:25 [Zakim]

-Jim_Allan

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WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended

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Attendees were Jim_Allan, DPoehlman, Jan_Richards

19:59:27 [jallan]

zakim, clear agenda

19:59:27 [Zakim]

agenda cleared

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20:00:13 [jallan]

rrsagent, set logs world-visible

20:00:51 [jallan]

rrsagent, format minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/15-ua-minutes.html jallan

20:01:59 [jallan]

rrsagent, bye

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I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/15-ua-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: DP to bring svg nav in browser issue to pf [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/15-ua-irc#T19-23-55

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ACTION: JA to review uaag archives related to passing keyboard control to objects and getting it back again [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/15-ua-irc#T19-32-12