IRC log of rif on 2005-12-10
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- 00:00:20 [hak]
- please use the mike ro speak up.
- 00:00:50 [pfps_____]
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- 00:01:01 [PaulV]
- HB: Phase 1 = horn logic: what are needs for phase 2 which needs to be defined in phase 1
- 00:01:51 [PaulV]
- Michael: continue 3 groups for progress to discuss in telcons...
- 00:03:19 [PaulV]
- HB: classification meanings: of rules or of use cases - latter already started [CSMA: classifying uses cases for use case group]
- 00:03:51 [PaulV]
- Michael: Classify use cases by rules after classifying rules
- 00:04:29 [PaulV]
- CSMA: call for interest in classification group .... about 50%
- 00:05:32 [PaulV]
- CSMA: Clarification: interest in active or observing participant
- 00:05:53 [hassan]
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- 00:06:17 [PaulV]
- CSMA: Who is interested in all 3 areas? If all, then no need for 3 conf calls...
- 00:07:33 [sandro]
- q?
- 00:07:33 [hassan]
- q+
- 00:08:02 [hassan]
- who's apeaking?
- 00:08:10 [bijan]
- I was
- 00:08:19 [hassan]
- good point!
- 00:08:23 [bijan]
- Thanks :)
- 00:08:24 [PaulV]
- Bijan: push task forces as need arises (2nded by Said and CSMA)
- 00:08:53 [PaulV]
- Sandro: repeats last stmt
- 00:09:18 [PaulV]
- Hassan: repeats last stmt again
- 00:09:22 [bijan]
- q+
- 00:10:41 [PaulV]
- Michael: SWSL didn't progress until split up to work [CSMA: supposed to work between meetings]
- 00:10:57 [bijan]
- I'll point out that we split into groups *twice* in SWSL, and the first time nothing happened
- 00:11:03 [bijan]
- So splitting is not sufficient
- 00:11:19 [bijan]
- And it's probably not necessary
- 00:11:46 [PaulV]
- Dieter: agrees with Michael
- 00:12:49 [PaulV]
- CSMA: weekly call may not be needed for task groups; issue is getting started
- 00:13:48 [PaulV]
- CSMA: will start by not splitting and see how it works
- 00:15:44 [PaulV]
- BenG: topic for next telcon: issue of coordinating multiple task forces, wrt spec esp
- 00:16:53 [PaulV]
- AllenG: need to get [early] agmt on use cases to drive requmts for classification and spec and phase2
- 00:18:33 [PaulV]
- ChrisW: who are contributors? identify...
- 00:19:25 [PaulV]
- Bijan: need fine grained schedule for 1st working draft of use case and requmts --- due in Feb
- 00:20:02 [PaulV]
- Bijan: work plan?
- 00:21:04 [PaulV]
- Sandro: strawplan: 1st draft by 2nd telcon in Jan for use cases
- 00:21:33 [PaulV]
- <discussion on draft for rule classification time>
- 00:22:09 [giorgos]
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- 00:22:14 [PaulV]
- AllenG: Suggests: use cases next week for call on 20th to move fwd with
- 00:22:20 [PaulV]
- CSMA 2nds
- 00:22:50 [bijan]
- Do we have an UC&R editor?
- 00:22:56 [bijan]
- q-
- 00:23:06 [hassan]
- q-
- 00:23:12 [PaulV]
- CSMA: 1st draft by 10th Jan
- 00:25:09 [PaulV]
- HB: who is editor? Call for volunteers for committee of editors? No alternative?
- 00:25:40 [PaulV]
- Bijan: more efficient to discuss edited use cases rather than raw for quicker progress...
- 00:26:32 [PaulV]
- CSMA: from NOW on use cases on Wiki should be edited form
- 00:26:35 [bijan]
- By "edited" I mean "edited by the editors of the UC&R"
- 00:27:02 [PaulV]
- HB: need open process
- 00:27:49 [JosD]
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- 00:28:16 [PaulV]
- CSMA: everyone who wants to contribute should...
- 00:28:37 [PaulV]
- EvanW: answer is yes
- 00:29:04 [PaulV]
- CSMA: use cases are on Wiki: retainment is a concensus decision
- 00:31:03 [igor]
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- 00:31:08 [PaulV]
- BenG: various detail / formats: we should be permissive now and formatting later...
- 00:31:34 [PaulV]
- CSMA: format will be type of info rather than doc syntax
- 00:31:46 [PaulV]
- Bijan: disagree
- 00:32:21 [PaulV]
- BenG: ... hence issues...
- 00:32:30 [bijan]
- That was Peter :)
- 00:32:34 [bijan]
- I agreed with peter
- 00:32:37 [bijan]
- But it was Peter speaking :)
- 00:32:40 [PaulV]
- Oops apols
- 00:32:52 [bijan]
- No problem
- 00:33:13 [PaulV]
- ChrisW: will do Wiki template
- 00:33:52 [PaulV]
- CSMA: to make use case considered make it considerable [end quote]
- 00:34:42 [PaulV]
- CSMA: do same for classification?
- 00:35:29 [PaulV]
- CSMA: bit later schedule - staggered - 2 wks later for 1st editor draft on Jan 24
- 00:36:18 [PaulV]
- Sandro: Use cases --> requmts and Classification --> requmts so same editors?
- 00:36:33 [PaulV]
- EvanW: editor for use case and requmts?
- 00:36:41 [PaulV]
- Sandro: scope changed?
- 00:37:14 [PaulV]
- CSMA: we identified 2 srcs of requmts: use cases and classifications - will need to be in the same doc
- 00:37:44 [PaulV]
- ... should someone else do prep work for rqmts from classification ie 2 editors?
- 00:38:23 [PaulV]
- Sandro: reasonable to have 2 editors if 2 doc parts are very separate
- 00:39:38 [PaulV]
- ChrisW: Prefer keep 3 work items and editing into docs can become clear [later]
- 00:40:09 [PaulV]
- ChrisW: want commitments on contributors
- 00:42:02 [sandro]
- CLassivfation: Benjamin, Paula, Guizhen, Mala , Deborah Nichols, Allen Ginsberg, Holger, Pan, Menzel, Harold, Vassilis, Donald Chapin, \
- 00:43:20 [sandro]
- ACTION ChrisW: post that list to e-mail and solicit more members
- 00:43:36 [Hirtle]
- *raises hand for use cases*
- 00:44:14 [sandro]
- UseCases: Benjamin, Hirtle, PaulV, Said, IGor, Mala, JohnHall, Philipe, DeboragN, AllenG, Evan, MichaelKifer, Jing, GiorgosStamou
- 00:45:01 [sandro]
- UseCases+ Harold, DonaldCHapin
- 00:46:19 [sandro]
- OWL+RDF_Comapt: Bijan, PFPS, MikeDean, DaveR, Andreas, Markus, MichaelSIntek, Guizhen, JenPan, JosdB, Dieter, Eliza, Evan, MichaelKifer, Jing,
- 00:46:27 [sandro]
- OWL+Benjamin
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- 00:49:03 [PaulV]
- Bijan: initial doc on OWL+RDF initial thoughts by end Jan
- 00:49:35 [PaulV]
- CSMA: will contain requmts
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- 00:50:38 [PaulV]
- Bijan: clarification: input to drive requmts - not intended for publish
- 00:50:53 [PaulV]
- CSMA: who?
- 00:51:48 [saidtabet]
- q+
- 00:52:36 [saidtabet]
- q-
- 00:52:52 [PaulV]
- CSMA: 1 person responsible? who chair can ask about status...
- 00:53:24 [sandro]
- Peter volunteered to edit OWL Compat
- 00:53:35 [PaulV]
- ChrisW: Peter for OWL_RDF doc; ChrisW for classification doc; ...
- 00:54:11 [PaulV]
- Dieter: need 2 editors for OWL + RDF...?
- 00:54:15 [sandro]
- JosDeBruijn volunteers to be editor
- 00:54:50 [PaulV]
- ChisW: all can contribute so no need for 2 editors...
- 00:55:19 [bijan]
- Indeed
- 00:57:00 [PaulV]
- Discussion: the OWL+RDF doc need not be draft of compatibility doc
- 00:57:15 [PaulV]
- HB: be inclusive: 2 is OK
- 00:59:48 [PaulV]
- [discussion continues...]
- 01:02:22 [PaulV]
- Sandro: commits to push progress + organise WIKI
- 01:04:01 [PaulV]
- BenG: editor != facilitator: proposed OWL + RDF compatibility may not be left to task group [Sandro - role will mitigate this]
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- ChrisW: secret handshake is ...
- 01:05:42 [igor]
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- 01:06:53 [PaulV]
- Peter: next mtg [face2face at Cannes, days TBA 27Feb-3Mar; days will be picked outside of RIFWG]
- 01:08:25 [PaulV]
- ChrisW: CLoses mtg.......... EOM
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