21:07:47 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 21:07:47 logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-wai-wcag-irc 21:08:20 Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon 21:08:29 proposal to close all issues that have unanimity 21:08:29 Tim has joined #wai-wcag 21:08:52 agenda+ WCAG SC that contain "programmatically determined" 21:09:03 agenda+ Issues for Guideline 1.1 21:09:12 agenda+ Issues for Guideline 3.1 21:09:22 agenda+ Issues for Guideline 2.2 21:09:32 agenda+ Issues for Guideline 1.2 21:09:45 agenda+ Planning and next steps 21:10:40 resolution: close issues 959, 1101, 1406, 1407, 1435, 1567. 813, 1460. 1656. 1655. 880. 943. 987. 1385. survey results showed everyone accepting 21:10:54 RRSAgent, make log world 21:11:08 Agenda? 21:11:16 RRSAgent, take up agendum 1 21:11:16 I'm logging. I don't understand 'take up agendum 1', ben_. Try /msg RRSAgent help 21:11:41 RRSAgent, take up agendum 1 21:11:41 I'm logging. I don't understand 'take up agendum 1', ben_. Try /msg RRSAgent help 21:12:00 ack k 21:12:10 ack j 21:12:12 zakim, take up agendum 1 21:12:12 agendum 1. "WCAG SC that contain "programmatically determined"" taken up [from ben_] 21:14:31 ack y 21:14:55 ack Tim 21:16:16 ack l 21:16:59 +Kerstin_Goldsmith 21:17:31 ack rell 21:17:35 Not am I 21:17:52 zakim, who is on the phone? 21:17:52 On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Tim_Boland, Gregg_and_Ben, John_Slatin, Sofia_Celic, Yvette_Hoitink, Alex_Li, Bengt_Farre, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Judy, 21:17:56 ... Gian_Sampson-Wild?, rellero, Michael_Cooper, Kerstin_Goldsmith 21:18:12 zakim, rellero is Gian 21:18:15 +Gian; got it 21:18:33 zakim, Gian_Sampson-Wild is Roberto_Ellero 21:18:33 +Roberto_Ellero; got it 21:18:43 zakim, Gian is Gian_Sampson-Wild 21:18:44 +Gian_Sampson-Wild; got it 21:18:54 q? 21:18:58 ack Alex 21:19:11 Michael has joined #wai-wcag 21:20:06 ack Yve 21:20:10 q+ 21:21:36 +Wendy 21:21:51 wendy has joined #wai-wcag 21:22:02 ack Dav 21:22:41 q+ 21:22:41 zakim, who's making noise? 21:22:52 wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Loretta_Guarino_Reid (29%), Tim_Boland (9%), Gregg_and_Ben (59%), Gian_Sampson-Wild (20%) 21:23:09 ack Gian 21:24:28 ack gregg 21:24:50 +??P26 21:25:10 -Kerstin_Goldsmith 21:27:58 Kesh has joined #wai-wcag 21:30:46 zakim, ??P26 is Kerstin_Goldsmith 21:30:46 +Kerstin_Goldsmith; got it 21:30:48 ack Lor 21:34:55 ack John 21:37:32 ack Alex 21:40:02 zakim, ack Gregg 21:40:02 I see no one on the speaker queue 21:45:12 open issues related to programmatically determined definition: http://tinyurl.com/e2r2w 21:45:25 RRSAgent, drop action 1 21:45:28 resolution : there are several open issues, we don't have consensus to swap out the definition of Programatically determined. We will leave it open... 21:45:41 Action:Gian and David to cover issues around programmatically determined, to work on the term and the definition 21:45:46 zakim, close this item 21:45:47 agendum 1 closed 21:45:48 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 21:45:49 2. Issues for Guideline 1.1 [from ben_] 21:45:53 zakim, take up agendum 2 21:45:53 agendum 2. "Issues for Guideline 1.1" taken up [from ben_] 21:47:34 RRSAgent, drop action 3 21:52:10 proposed defn is very in sync w/wikipedia defn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video 21:57:43 resolution: adopt the definition ofvideo as proposed "the technology of moving pictures or images. Video can be made up of animated or photographic images, or both." 21:59:56 wikipedia describes it as live instead of realtime 22:01:16 resolution: Issue 952, Issue 1428, and Issue 1600 closed as addressed by current edits and wording 22:03:18 action: John will do what he has listed in the comment will write up something based on his comments "But end-users who are not aware of distinctions made by WCAG might be helped by some sort of notice for silent video-- maybe not in every case, but sometimes, e.g., in a clip from an early Charlie Chaplin film. "How to Meet..." doc could suggest that authors consider when such notice might be appropriate. This might actually belong under GL 1.1.2 (01 Dece 22:08:05 resolution: reject option one and reject option 2 in issue 1599 keep the current wording and do the second item "Clarify this in the how to meet document by revising the intent section and adding examples to How to meet 1.1.2 as follows: " 22:09:32 s/reject option one and reject option 2/reject option one and accept option 2 22:10:50 ack Katie 22:10:52 ack John 22:10:58 q+ 22:11:59 ack ben 22:15:52 resolution: close 1626 revise benefit to read, "People who are deaf, are hard of hearing, or who are having trouble understanding audio information for any reason can read the text presentation or (in the future) have it translated and presented as sign language by assistive technology." 22:16:14 zakim, close this item 22:16:14 agendum 2 closed 22:16:15 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 22:16:16 3. Issues for Guideline 3.1 [from ben_] 22:16:20 zakim, take up agendum 3 22:16:20 agendum 3. "Issues for Guideline 3.1" taken up [from ben_] 22:18:46 ack John 22:21:57 ack Gian 22:22:48 q+ 22:24:02 ack Judy 22:24:55 ack Gian 22:26:27 q+ 22:27:06 q- 22:27:34 q+ 22:28:14 ack Kesh 22:29:09 q+ 22:33:07 zakim, who's making noise? 22:33:08 zakim, who's making noise? 22:33:19 ben_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: David_MacDonald (70%), John_Slatin (37%), Yvette_Hoitink (94%) 22:33:26 zakim, mute Yvette 22:33:26 Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted 22:33:28 oops 22:33:30 wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: David_MacDonald (11%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (16%), Gregg_and_Ben (55%) 22:34:12 ack Yve 22:34:24 -Yvette_Hoitink 22:34:36 -Kerstin_Goldsmith 22:35:12 zakim, mute katie 22:35:12 Katie_Haritos-Shea should now be muted 22:35:22 ack david 22:35:23 ack Dav 22:36:06 sorry I have to leave 22:36:48 ack Gian 22:37:37 Kesh has left #wai-wcag 22:38:20 -Roberto_Ellero 22:38:52 q+ to say, "time check? there are still 2.5 surveys on the agenda to get through" 22:39:12 ack Gian 22:40:47 ack ben 22:40:47 ben_, you wanted to say, "time check? there are still 2.5 surveys on the agenda to get through" 22:40:47 zakim, who's making noise? 22:40:57 wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: David_MacDonald (39%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (14%), Tim_Boland (21%), Gregg_and_Ben (39%), John_Slatin (4%), 22:41:00 ... Alex_Li (14%), Judy (20%), Gian_Sampson-Wild (4%) 22:41:25 zakim, who's making noise? 22:41:36 wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Loretta_Guarino_Reid (20%), Tim_Boland (51%), Gregg_and_Ben (65%), Judy (4%) 22:41:41 zakim, close tim 22:41:41 I don't understand 'close tim', wendy 22:41:49 zakim, mute tim 22:41:49 Tim_Boland should now be muted 22:44:15 resolution: close issue#1134 change " at level 1" to " in wcag 2" change gl 3.1.5 to sc 3.1.5 and add to end "3.1.5 at level 3 because it is a new and untested approach and there is not widespread experieince with it. The WG is concerned that the requirement would put to much constraint on authors of general purpose web sites. 22:45:52 Tim has left #wai-wcag 22:45:58 -Tim_Boland 22:50:17 resolution: close Issue 1127 - "Provide a clear representational image on the site's home page" and put it as an advisory technique in the section 3.15 technology independent. And include an example in the technique 22:50:18 ack Katie 22:56:53 resolution: close Issue 1129 as proposed- Add an advisory technology-independent technique for 3.1.5 for "providing content summaries via metadata." An additional advisory technique would be, "Making metadata human-viewable" (for example, the National Library of Medicine Web site includes a link in the navbar to view metadata--- not sure it's on all pages but it's on some of them and very useful). 22:57:19 q+ 22:57:21 zakim, who's on the phone? 22:57:21 On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, John_Slatin, Sofia_Celic, Alex_Li, Bengt_Farre, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Judy, Gian_Sampson-Wild, 22:57:24 ... Michael_Cooper, Wendy 22:59:06 q- 22:59:57 q+ 23:00:26 ack Judy 23:02:16 ack John 23:07:49 resolution: close Issue 1711 - use and description of dyslexia in benefits sections, The Benefits section for 3.1.1 is similar to (but shorter than) the material quoted from 3.1.5 but uses the term "learning disabilities" instead of "reading disabilities.", change to "reading and intellectual disabilities" 23:08:03 zakim, close this item 23:08:03 agendum 3 closed 23:08:04 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 23:08:06 4. Issues for Guideline 2.2 [from ben_] 23:08:43 q+ part of review process of monthly publications - ppl can pick up and submit concerns/edits 23:10:00 q+ 23:12:04 -Loretta_Guarino_Reid 23:15:17 group thank you to Michael for all the work converting the format of the techniques. 23:15:45 -Katie_Haritos-Shea 23:15:50 -Alex_Li 23:15:52 -Gian_Sampson-Wild 23:15:53 -Sofia_Celic 23:15:54 -David_MacDonald 23:15:55 -Wendy 23:15:56 -Gregg_and_Ben 23:15:57 -Michael_Cooper 23:15:58 -Judy 23:15:59 -John_Slatin 23:16:00 -Bengt_Farre 23:16:01 WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended 23:16:03 Attendees were David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Tim_Boland, John_Slatin, Sofia_Celic, +31.17.24.aaaa, Alex_Li, Gregg_and_Ben, Bengt_Farre, Judy, Katie_Haritos-Shea, 23:16:06 ... Yvette_Hoitink, Gian_Sampson-Wild?, Michael_Cooper, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Roberto_Ellero, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Wendy 23:20:39 bengt has left #wai-wcag 23:21:46 RRSAgent, please generate minutes 23:21:46 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben_ 23:34:52 gregg has joined #wai-wcag 23:34:53 chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden and John_Slatin 23:37:33 Regrets: Andi_Snow-Weaver, Roberto_Scano, Roberto_ 23:38:37 Regrets: Andi_Snow-Weaver, Roberto_Scano, Roberto_Castaldo, Becky_Gibson, Don_Evans, Luca_Mascaro, Diane Stottlemyer, Christophe_Strobbe 23:38:42 RRSAgent, generate minutes 23:38:42 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben_ 23:41:14 David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Tim_Boland, John_Slatin, Sofia_Celic, Roberto_Ellero, Alex_Li, Gregg_and_Ben, Bengt_Farre, Judy_Brewer, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Yvette_Hoitink, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Michael_Cooper, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Roberto_Ellero, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Wendy 23:41:20 RRSAgent, generate minutes 23:41:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben_ 23:45:31 Present: David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Tim_Boland, John_Slatin, Sofia_Celic, Roberto_Ellero, Alex_Li, Gregg_and_Ben, Bengt_Farre, Judy_Brewer, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Yvette_Hoitink, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Michael_Cooper, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Roberto_Ellero, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Wendy 23:45:37 RRSAgent, generate minutes 23:45:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben_