IRC log of dawg on 2005-12-06

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14:29:58 [RRSAgent]
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14:29:59 [ericP]
zakim, please dial ericP-617
14:29:59 [Zakim]
sorry, ericP, I don't know what conference this is
14:30:08 [kendallclark]
hi LeeF
14:30:11 [ericP]
zakim, this is DAWG
14:30:11 [Zakim]
ericP, I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be DAWG".
14:30:13 [ericP]
zakim, please dial ericP-617
14:30:13 [Zakim]
sorry, ericP, I don't know what conference this is
14:30:18 [LeeF]
Howdy
14:30:23 [ericP]
zakim, this will be DAWG
14:30:23 [Zakim]
ok, ericP; I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM scheduled to start now
14:30:24 [ericP]
zakim, please dial ericP-617
14:30:24 [Zakim]
ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:30:26 [Zakim]
SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started
14:30:26 [Zakim]
+EricP
14:30:54 [ericP]
agenda+ Convene, take roll, review records and agenda
14:31:02 [Zakim]
+Kendall_Clark
14:31:05 [Zakim]
+??P4
14:31:11 [ericP]
agenda+ Query Semantics
14:31:19 [AndyS]
zakim, ??P4 is AndyS
14:31:19 [Zakim]
+AndyS; got it
14:31:26 [ericP]
agenda+ Value Testing
14:31:37 [ericP]
agenda+ decimal vs. double
14:31:50 [Zakim]
+??P5
14:31:53 [ericP]
agenda+ SPARQL Protocol
14:32:04 [jeen]
Zakim, ??P5 is JeenB
14:32:04 [Zakim]
+JeenB; got it
14:32:15 [Zakim]
+Lee_Feigenbaum
14:32:26 [LeeF]
zakim, Lee_Feigenbaum is LeeF
14:32:26 [Zakim]
+LeeF; got it
14:32:36 [Zakim]
+Libby_Miller
14:32:39 [kendallclark]
starting to be "that time of year" v. early for me this year :>
14:32:55 [AndyS]
It's 6:30 am here
14:32:58 [ericP]
zakim, who is here?
14:32:58 [Zakim]
On the phone I see EricP, Kendall_Clark, AndyS, JeenB, LeeF, Libby_Miller
14:33:00 [Zakim]
On IRC I see RRSAgent, LeeF, Zakim, kendallclark, DanC_csail, libby, AndyS, ericP, jeen, SteveH, DanC
14:33:14 [kendallclark]
regrets: Jos De Roo, EliasT, PatH
14:33:21 [AndyS]
Palo Alto
14:33:24 [kendallclark]
TONS of noise on the call
14:33:43 [ericP]
Meeting: Data Access
14:33:49 [ericP]
Chair: ericP
14:33:54 [ericP]
Scribe: KendallC
14:33:54 [kendallclark]
yes
14:34:06 [LeeF]
zakim, who's talking?
14:34:13 [ericP]
zakim, who is speaking?
14:34:17 [Zakim]
LeeF, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kendall_Clark (20%), EricP (36%)
14:34:29 [Zakim]
ericP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: JeenB (14%), EricP (52%)
14:36:03 [Zakim]
-EricP
14:36:37 [ericP]
zakim, please dial ericP-617
14:36:37 [Zakim]
ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:36:38 [Zakim]
+EricP
14:37:36 [ericP]
zakim, who is here?
14:37:36 [Zakim]
On the phone I see EricP, Kendall_Clark, AndyS, JeenB, LeeF, Libby_Miller
14:37:38 [Zakim]
On IRC I see RRSAgent, LeeF, Zakim, kendallclark, DanC_csail, libby, AndyS, ericP, jeen, SteveH, DanC
14:37:38 [kendallclark]
(the scribe tells a joke that *dies* a horrid, horrid death)
14:37:57 [ericP]
zakim, take up next agendum
14:37:57 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda" taken up [from ericP]
14:38:38 [ericP]
zakim, take up next agendum
14:38:38 [Zakim]
agendum 1 was just opened, ericP
14:38:41 [kendallclark]
libby: :)
14:38:44 [ericP]
zakim, take up agendum 2
14:38:44 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Query Semantics" taken up [from ericP]
14:39:13 [ericP]
zakim, take up next agendum
14:39:13 [Zakim]
agendum 2 was just opened, ericP
14:39:16 [ericP]
zakim, take up agendum 3
14:39:16 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Value Testing" taken up [from ericP]
14:40:07 [ericP]
ACTION: PatH to sketch tests that characterize impact of semantics work
14:40:11 [ericP]
CONTINUED
14:40:53 [ericP]
ACTION EricP: mail the WG asking about URIs for functions, re comment 2005-10-26T22:08:10Z from r.newman
14:42:04 [ericP]
SteveH, We'll move on to Protocol to give you more time to connect
14:42:05 [kendallclark]
-ouch-
14:42:17 [ericP]
will more time make you more successful?
14:42:25 [SteveH]
dunno
14:42:32 [SteveH]
will try again in 10 mins or so
14:42:38 [ericP]
zakim, take up agendum 5
14:42:38 [Zakim]
agendum 5. "SPARQL Protocol" taken up [from ericP]
14:43:06 [ericP]
ACTION: KendallC to review sparql-types for xs:any weirdness, w.r.t. WSDL 2.0 constraints
14:43:09 [ericP]
CONTINUED
14:43:23 [ericP]
ACTION: KendallC to add a modified version of http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#security to protocol editor's draft, as well as a pointer to the section in rq23 itself
14:43:27 [ericP]
CONTINUED
14:43:37 [ericP]
ACTION: KendallC to propose revised WSDL descripton of SPARQL protocol
14:43:40 [ericP]
CONTINUED
14:43:49 [ericP]
ACTION DanC: notifty DAWG of WSDL response to our WSDL comments
14:43:51 [ericP]
CONTINUED
14:43:58 [ericP]
ACTION KendallC: remove uses of "my" in URIs in protocol spec
14:44:02 [ericP]
CONTINUED
14:46:08 [kendallclark]
KendallC talks a bit about Opera's community portal deploying a public SPARQL service, and the developer's requests for SADDLE.
14:46:34 [ericP]
SteveH,
14:46:55 [LeeF]
See http://my.opera.com/community/sparql/
14:46:55 [libby]
also Joshua Tauberer and govtrack today
14:47:05 [ericP]
SteveH, please try zakim again
14:47:10 [libby]
and http://www.govtrack.us/sparql.xpd
14:47:13 [ericP]
you can /msg amy for help
14:47:37 [ericP]
zakim, take up agendum 4
14:47:38 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "decimal vs. double" taken up [from ericP]
14:47:44 [ericP]
ACTION: AndyS to update rq23 to reflect double => decimal progress/done. test impact?
14:47:55 [AndyS]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0246.html
14:48:07 [AndyS]
DONE http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0246.html
14:49:46 [ericP]
we used to parse "5.3" as a double
14:50:06 [ericP]
we now parse "5.3" as a decimal
14:50:43 [AndyS]
"5.3e0" is still a double
14:51:09 [jeen]
but there's no shorthand for that is there?
14:51:53 [AndyS]
Shorthand?? Shorter than 5.3e0 ??
14:52:20 [AndyS]
If there is an exponent, it's a double.
14:52:53 [AndyS]
ACTION AndyS: Make the decimal/double test changes for later WG approval
14:54:36 [LeeF]
AndyS: 5.3e0 is shorthand for xsd:double as per XPath
14:54:48 [kendallclark]
"5" is an integer; "5.3" is a float; "5.3e0" is a double.
14:55:02 [ericP]
zakim, take up agendum 3
14:55:02 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Value Testing" taken up [from ericP]
14:55:12 [LeeF]
5.3 is a decimal, right kendallclark?
14:55:23 [kendallclark]
erp, yes
14:55:25 [kendallclark]
I think
14:55:31 [kendallclark]
"5" is an integer; "5.3" is a decimal; "5.3e0" is a double.
14:55:46 [kendallclark]
scribe misheard/typed
14:55:52 [ericP]
Note recent changes in ValueTesting:
14:55:56 [ericP]
resolving inconsistencies in SPARQL Results mime registration
14:56:00 [ericP]
http://www.w3.org/mid/20051124204840.GM17026@w3.org
14:56:04 [ericP]
14:56:08 [ericP]
reformatted 11 Testing Values
14:56:12 [ericP]
http://www.w3.org/mid/20051125012116.GO17026@w3.org
14:56:16 [ericP]
14:56:20 [ericP]
s/xsd:string/plain literal/g
14:56:24 [ericP]
http://www.w3.org/mid/20051130195040.GB31232@w3.org
14:56:28 [ericP]
14:56:32 [ericP]
fixing regex collations
14:56:36 [ericP]
http://www.w3.org/mid/20051127213715.GJ412@w3.org
14:58:38 [LeeF]
Aye, good move.
14:59:00 [kendallclark]
scribe is completely dead on this topic :)
14:59:02 [kendallclark]
FWIW
14:59:20 [ericP]
np
15:00:32 [AndyS]
F&O : http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#func-matches
15:02:17 [ericP]
http://www.w3.org/mid/20051127213715.GJ412@w3.org
15:03:26 [AndyS]
fn:matches
15:04:40 [ericP]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#OperatorMapping
15:04:51 [AndyS]
fn:compare is used for "="
15:04:52 [ericP]
[[
15:04:54 [ericP]
The collation for fn:compare is defined by XPath and identified by http://www.w3.org/2005/xpath-functions/collation/codepoint. This collation allows for string comparison based on code point values. Codepoint string equivilence can be tested with RDF term equivilence.
15:04:58 [ericP]
]]
15:08:07 [kendallclark]
zakim, mute me
15:08:07 [Zakim]
Kendall_Clark should now be muted
15:08:39 [AndyS]
zakim, mute me
15:08:39 [Zakim]
AndyS should now be muted
15:09:01 [AndyS]
zakim, unmute me
15:09:01 [Zakim]
AndyS should no longer be muted
15:09:02 [kendallclark]
every penny I have!
15:09:23 [AndyS]
zakim, mute me
15:09:23 [Zakim]
AndyS should now be muted
15:09:42 [AndyS]
zakim, unmute me
15:09:42 [Zakim]
AndyS should no longer be muted
15:09:43 [ericP]
Zakim, who is here?
15:09:44 [Zakim]
On the phone I see EricP, Kendall_Clark (muted), AndyS, JeenB, LeeF, Libby_Miller
15:09:46 [Zakim]
On IRC I see RRSAgent, LeeF, Zakim, kendallclark, DanC_csail, libby, AndyS, ericP, jeen, SteveH, DanC
15:10:56 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
15:11:13 [ericP]
welcome SteveH
15:12:43 [kendallclark]
(btw, Tauberer is pretty happy with SPARQL protocol as well. Just got email from him about it.)
15:13:47 [ericP]
foo:shoeSize "10.5"^^xsd:float
15:14:25 [SteveH]
+1 to what andy's saying
15:20:17 [LeeF]
Lee: no direct work w/ floats vs. doubles in my RDF data -- preference for simpler is better, but not well-enough versed to know all the gotchas
15:20:18 [SteveH]
whats the cost of us using floats?
15:21:08 [SteveH]
ive got users with lots of doubles, but thier 10.5 in turtle mostly
15:21:22 [SteveH]
ie. they will be decimal at some point
15:25:47 [SteveH]
I dont think it would be much of a cost to me either
15:26:04 [SteveH]
but SPAQRL is allready too complex IMHO
15:26:28 [ericP]
we will adjourn soon
15:27:36 [kendallclark]
Hmm, I think it's a *good* idea we don't have enough people to vote on this today, actuall.
15:27:40 [kendallclark]
erp, actually
15:30:56 [ericP]
Next meeting: 13 Dec, scribe: ericP
15:31:05 [kendallclark]
yes
15:31:16 [ericP]
ADJOURN
15:31:20 [kendallclark]
eric: make the irc logs world-readable or whatever the trick is?
15:31:26 [Zakim]
-SteveH
15:31:37 [ericP]
rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:31:37 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-dawg-minutes.html ericP
15:31:42 [Zakim]
-Libby_Miller
15:31:49 [ericP]
rrsagent, please make minutes world readable
15:31:49 [RRSAgent]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make minutes world readable', ericP. Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:31:53 [ericP]
cheers
15:31:54 [Zakim]
-LeeF
15:32:03 [LeeF]
Goodbye, libby
15:32:55 [kendallclark]
ericP: 403, try again?
15:33:04 [Zakim]
-JeenB
15:33:30 [Zakim]
-Kendall_Clark
15:36:02 [Zakim]
-EricP
15:36:04 [Zakim]
-AndyS
15:36:05 [Zakim]
SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
15:36:06 [Zakim]
Attendees were EricP, Kendall_Clark, AndyS, JeenB, LeeF, Libby_Miller, [IPcaller]
15:36:23 [ericP]
zakim, IPcaller was SteveH
15:36:23 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'IPcaller was SteveH', ericP
15:36:27 [ericP]
zakim, IPcaller is SteveH
15:36:27 [Zakim]
sorry, ericP, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'
15:36:33 [ericP]
zakim, [IPcaller] is SteveH
15:36:33 [Zakim]
sorry, ericP, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
15:36:39 [ericP]
never mind