IRC log of dawg on 2005-12-06

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14:29:58 [RRSAgent]

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14:29:59 [ericP]

zakim, please dial ericP-617

14:29:59 [Zakim]

sorry, ericP, I don't know what conference this is

14:30:08 [kendallclark]

hi LeeF

14:30:11 [ericP]

zakim, this is DAWG

14:30:11 [Zakim]

ericP, I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be DAWG".

14:30:13 [ericP]

zakim, please dial ericP-617

14:30:13 [Zakim]

sorry, ericP, I don't know what conference this is

14:30:18 [LeeF]

Howdy

14:30:23 [ericP]

zakim, this will be DAWG

14:30:23 [Zakim]

ok, ericP; I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM scheduled to start now

14:30:24 [ericP]

zakim, please dial ericP-617

14:30:24 [Zakim]

ok, ericP; the call is being made

14:30:26 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started

14:30:26 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:30:54 [ericP]

agenda+ Convene, take roll, review records and agenda

14:31:02 [Zakim]

+Kendall_Clark

14:31:05 [Zakim]

+??P4

14:31:11 [ericP]

agenda+ Query Semantics

14:31:19 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P4 is AndyS

14:31:19 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

14:31:26 [ericP]

agenda+ Value Testing

14:31:37 [ericP]

agenda+ decimal vs. double

14:31:50 [Zakim]

+??P5

14:31:53 [ericP]

agenda+ SPARQL Protocol

14:32:04 [jeen]

Zakim, ??P5 is JeenB

14:32:04 [Zakim]

+JeenB; got it

14:32:15 [Zakim]

+Lee_Feigenbaum

14:32:26 [LeeF]

zakim, Lee_Feigenbaum is LeeF

14:32:26 [Zakim]

+LeeF; got it

14:32:36 [Zakim]

+Libby_Miller

14:32:39 [kendallclark]

starting to be "that time of year" v. early for me this year :>

14:32:55 [AndyS]

It's 6:30 am here

14:32:58 [ericP]

zakim, who is here?

14:32:58 [Zakim]

On the phone I see EricP, Kendall_Clark, AndyS, JeenB, LeeF, Libby_Miller

14:33:00 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, LeeF, Zakim, kendallclark, DanC_csail, libby, AndyS, ericP, jeen, SteveH, DanC

14:33:14 [kendallclark]

regrets: Jos De Roo, EliasT, PatH

14:33:21 [AndyS]

Palo Alto

14:33:24 [kendallclark]

TONS of noise on the call

14:33:43 [ericP]

Meeting: Data Access

14:33:49 [ericP]

Chair: ericP

14:33:54 [ericP]

Scribe: KendallC

14:33:54 [kendallclark]

yes

14:34:06 [LeeF]

zakim, who's talking?

14:34:13 [ericP]

zakim, who is speaking?

14:34:17 [Zakim]

LeeF, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kendall_Clark (20%), EricP (36%)

14:34:29 [Zakim]

ericP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: JeenB (14%), EricP (52%)

14:36:03 [Zakim]

-EricP

14:36:37 [ericP]

zakim, please dial ericP-617

14:36:37 [Zakim]

ok, ericP; the call is being made

14:36:38 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:37:36 [ericP]

zakim, who is here?

14:37:36 [Zakim]

On the phone I see EricP, Kendall_Clark, AndyS, JeenB, LeeF, Libby_Miller

14:37:38 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, LeeF, Zakim, kendallclark, DanC_csail, libby, AndyS, ericP, jeen, SteveH, DanC

14:37:38 [kendallclark]

(the scribe tells a joke that *dies* a horrid, horrid death)

14:37:57 [ericP]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:37:57 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda" taken up [from ericP]

14:38:38 [ericP]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:38:38 [Zakim]

agendum 1 was just opened, ericP

14:38:41 [kendallclark]

libby: :)

14:38:44 [ericP]

zakim, take up agendum 2

14:38:44 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Query Semantics" taken up [from ericP]

14:39:13 [ericP]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:39:13 [Zakim]

agendum 2 was just opened, ericP

14:39:16 [ericP]

zakim, take up agendum 3

14:39:16 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Value Testing" taken up [from ericP]

14:40:07 [ericP]

ACTION: PatH to sketch tests that characterize impact of semantics work

14:40:11 [ericP]

CONTINUED

14:40:53 [ericP]

ACTION EricP: mail the WG asking about URIs for functions, re comment 2005-10-26T22:08:10Z from r.newman

14:42:04 [ericP]

SteveH, We'll move on to Protocol to give you more time to connect

14:42:05 [kendallclark]

-ouch-

14:42:17 [ericP]

will more time make you more successful?

14:42:25 [SteveH]

dunno

14:42:32 [SteveH]

will try again in 10 mins or so

14:42:38 [ericP]

zakim, take up agendum 5

14:42:38 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "SPARQL Protocol" taken up [from ericP]

14:43:06 [ericP]

ACTION: KendallC to review sparql-types for xs:any weirdness, w.r.t. WSDL 2.0 constraints

14:43:09 [ericP]

CONTINUED

14:43:23 [ericP]

ACTION: KendallC to add a modified version of http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#security to protocol editor's draft, as well as a pointer to the section in rq23 itself

14:43:27 [ericP]

CONTINUED

14:43:37 [ericP]

ACTION: KendallC to propose revised WSDL descripton of SPARQL protocol

14:43:40 [ericP]

CONTINUED

14:43:49 [ericP]

ACTION DanC: notifty DAWG of WSDL response to our WSDL comments

14:43:51 [ericP]

CONTINUED

14:43:58 [ericP]

ACTION KendallC: remove uses of "my" in URIs in protocol spec

14:44:02 [ericP]

CONTINUED

14:46:08 [kendallclark]

KendallC talks a bit about Opera's community portal deploying a public SPARQL service, and the developer's requests for SADDLE.

14:46:34 [ericP]

SteveH,

14:46:55 [LeeF]

See http://my.opera.com/community/sparql/

14:46:55 [libby]

also Joshua Tauberer and govtrack today

14:47:05 [ericP]

SteveH, please try zakim again

14:47:10 [libby]

and http://www.govtrack.us/sparql.xpd

14:47:13 [ericP]

you can /msg amy for help

14:47:37 [ericP]

zakim, take up agendum 4

14:47:38 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "decimal vs. double" taken up [from ericP]

14:47:44 [ericP]

ACTION: AndyS to update rq23 to reflect double => decimal progress/done. test impact?

14:47:55 [AndyS]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0246.html

14:48:07 [AndyS]

DONE http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0246.html

14:49:46 [ericP]

we used to parse "5.3" as a double

14:50:06 [ericP]

we now parse "5.3" as a decimal

14:50:43 [AndyS]

"5.3e0" is still a double

14:51:09 [jeen]

but there's no shorthand for that is there?

14:51:53 [AndyS]

Shorthand?? Shorter than 5.3e0 ??

14:52:20 [AndyS]

If there is an exponent, it's a double.

14:52:53 [AndyS]

ACTION AndyS: Make the decimal/double test changes for later WG approval

14:54:36 [LeeF]

AndyS: 5.3e0 is shorthand for xsd:double as per XPath

14:54:48 [kendallclark]

"5" is an integer; "5.3" is a float; "5.3e0" is a double.

14:55:02 [ericP]

zakim, take up agendum 3

14:55:02 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Value Testing" taken up [from ericP]

14:55:12 [LeeF]

5.3 is a decimal, right kendallclark?

14:55:23 [kendallclark]

erp, yes

14:55:25 [kendallclark]

I think

14:55:31 [kendallclark]

"5" is an integer; "5.3" is a decimal; "5.3e0" is a double.

14:55:46 [kendallclark]

scribe misheard/typed

14:55:52 [ericP]

Note recent changes in ValueTesting:

14:55:56 [ericP]

resolving inconsistencies in SPARQL Results mime registration

14:56:00 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/mid/20051124204840.GM17026@w3.org

14:56:04 [ericP]

14:56:08 [ericP]

reformatted 11 Testing Values

14:56:12 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/mid/20051125012116.GO17026@w3.org

14:56:16 [ericP]

14:56:20 [ericP]

s/xsd:string/plain literal/g

14:56:24 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/mid/20051130195040.GB31232@w3.org

14:56:28 [ericP]

14:56:32 [ericP]

fixing regex collations

14:56:36 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/mid/20051127213715.GJ412@w3.org

14:58:38 [LeeF]

Aye, good move.

14:59:00 [kendallclark]

scribe is completely dead on this topic :)

14:59:02 [kendallclark]

FWIW

14:59:20 [ericP]

np

15:00:32 [AndyS]

F&O : http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#func-matches

15:02:17 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/mid/20051127213715.GJ412@w3.org

15:03:26 [AndyS]

fn:matches

15:04:40 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#OperatorMapping

15:04:51 [AndyS]

fn:compare is used for "="

15:04:52 [ericP]

[[

15:04:54 [ericP]

The collation for fn:compare is defined by XPath and identified by http://www.w3.org/2005/xpath-functions/collation/codepoint. This collation allows for string comparison based on code point values. Codepoint string equivilence can be tested with RDF term equivilence.

15:04:58 [ericP]

]]

15:08:07 [kendallclark]

zakim, mute me

15:08:07 [Zakim]

Kendall_Clark should now be muted

15:08:39 [AndyS]

zakim, mute me

15:08:39 [Zakim]

AndyS should now be muted

15:09:01 [AndyS]

zakim, unmute me

15:09:01 [Zakim]

AndyS should no longer be muted

15:09:02 [kendallclark]

every penny I have!

15:09:23 [AndyS]

zakim, mute me

15:09:23 [Zakim]

AndyS should now be muted

15:09:42 [AndyS]

zakim, unmute me

15:09:42 [Zakim]

AndyS should no longer be muted

15:09:43 [ericP]

Zakim, who is here?

15:09:44 [Zakim]

On the phone I see EricP, Kendall_Clark (muted), AndyS, JeenB, LeeF, Libby_Miller

15:09:46 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, LeeF, Zakim, kendallclark, DanC_csail, libby, AndyS, ericP, jeen, SteveH, DanC

15:10:56 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

15:11:13 [ericP]

welcome SteveH

15:12:43 [kendallclark]

(btw, Tauberer is pretty happy with SPARQL protocol as well. Just got email from him about it.)

15:13:47 [ericP]

foo:shoeSize "10.5"^^xsd:float

15:14:25 [SteveH]

+1 to what andy's saying

15:20:17 [LeeF]

Lee: no direct work w/ floats vs. doubles in my RDF data -- preference for simpler is better, but not well-enough versed to know all the gotchas

15:20:18 [SteveH]

whats the cost of us using floats?

15:21:08 [SteveH]

ive got users with lots of doubles, but thier 10.5 in turtle mostly

15:21:22 [SteveH]

ie. they will be decimal at some point

15:25:47 [SteveH]

I dont think it would be much of a cost to me either

15:26:04 [SteveH]

but SPAQRL is allready too complex IMHO

15:26:28 [ericP]

we will adjourn soon

15:27:36 [kendallclark]

Hmm, I think it's a *good* idea we don't have enough people to vote on this today, actuall.

15:27:40 [kendallclark]

erp, actually

15:30:56 [ericP]

Next meeting: 13 Dec, scribe: ericP

15:31:05 [kendallclark]

yes

15:31:16 [ericP]

ADJOURN

15:31:20 [kendallclark]

eric: make the irc logs world-readable or whatever the trick is?

15:31:26 [Zakim]

-SteveH

15:31:37 [ericP]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

15:31:37 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-dawg-minutes.html ericP

15:31:42 [Zakim]

-Libby_Miller

15:31:49 [ericP]

rrsagent, please make minutes world readable

15:31:49 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make minutes world readable', ericP. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:31:53 [ericP]

cheers

15:31:54 [Zakim]

-LeeF

15:32:03 [LeeF]

Goodbye, libby

15:32:55 [kendallclark]

ericP: 403, try again?

15:33:04 [Zakim]

-JeenB

15:33:30 [Zakim]

-Kendall_Clark

15:36:02 [Zakim]

-EricP

15:36:04 [Zakim]

-AndyS

15:36:05 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended

15:36:06 [Zakim]

Attendees were EricP, Kendall_Clark, AndyS, JeenB, LeeF, Libby_Miller, [IPcaller]

15:36:23 [ericP]

zakim, IPcaller was SteveH

15:36:23 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'IPcaller was SteveH', ericP

15:36:27 [ericP]

zakim, IPcaller is SteveH

15:36:27 [Zakim]

sorry, ericP, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'

15:36:33 [ericP]

zakim, [IPcaller] is SteveH

15:36:33 [Zakim]

sorry, ericP, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'

15:36:39 [ericP]

never mind