14:29:58 RRSAgent has joined #dawg 14:29:58 logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-dawg-irc 14:29:59 zakim, please dial ericP-617 14:29:59 sorry, ericP, I don't know what conference this is 14:30:08 hi LeeF 14:30:11 zakim, this is DAWG 14:30:11 ericP, I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be DAWG". 14:30:13 zakim, please dial ericP-617 14:30:13 sorry, ericP, I don't know what conference this is 14:30:18 Howdy 14:30:23 zakim, this will be DAWG 14:30:23 ok, ericP; I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM scheduled to start now 14:30:24 zakim, please dial ericP-617 14:30:24 ok, ericP; the call is being made 14:30:26 SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started 14:30:26 +EricP 14:30:54 agenda+ Convene, take roll, review records and agenda 14:31:02 +Kendall_Clark 14:31:05 +??P4 14:31:11 agenda+ Query Semantics 14:31:19 zakim, ??P4 is AndyS 14:31:19 +AndyS; got it 14:31:26 agenda+ Value Testing 14:31:37 agenda+ decimal vs. double 14:31:50 +??P5 14:31:53 agenda+ SPARQL Protocol 14:32:04 Zakim, ??P5 is JeenB 14:32:04 +JeenB; got it 14:32:15 +Lee_Feigenbaum 14:32:26 zakim, Lee_Feigenbaum is LeeF 14:32:26 +LeeF; got it 14:32:36 +Libby_Miller 14:32:39 starting to be "that time of year" v. early for me this year :> 14:32:55 It's 6:30 am here 14:32:58 zakim, who is here? 14:32:58 On the phone I see EricP, Kendall_Clark, AndyS, JeenB, LeeF, Libby_Miller 14:33:00 On IRC I see RRSAgent, LeeF, Zakim, kendallclark, DanC_csail, libby, AndyS, ericP, jeen, SteveH, DanC 14:33:14 regrets: Jos De Roo, EliasT, PatH 14:33:21 Palo Alto 14:33:24 TONS of noise on the call 14:33:43 Meeting: Data Access 14:33:49 Chair: ericP 14:33:54 Scribe: KendallC 14:33:54 yes 14:34:06 zakim, who's talking? 14:34:13 zakim, who is speaking? 14:34:17 LeeF, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kendall_Clark (20%), EricP (36%) 14:34:29 ericP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: JeenB (14%), EricP (52%) 14:36:03 -EricP 14:36:37 zakim, please dial ericP-617 14:36:37 ok, ericP; the call is being made 14:36:38 +EricP 14:37:36 zakim, who is here? 14:37:36 On the phone I see EricP, Kendall_Clark, AndyS, JeenB, LeeF, Libby_Miller 14:37:38 On IRC I see RRSAgent, LeeF, Zakim, kendallclark, DanC_csail, libby, AndyS, ericP, jeen, SteveH, DanC 14:37:38 (the scribe tells a joke that *dies* a horrid, horrid death) 14:37:57 zakim, take up next agendum 14:37:57 agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda" taken up [from ericP] 14:38:38 zakim, take up next agendum 14:38:38 agendum 1 was just opened, ericP 14:38:41 libby: :) 14:38:44 zakim, take up agendum 2 14:38:44 agendum 2. "Query Semantics" taken up [from ericP] 14:39:13 zakim, take up next agendum 14:39:13 agendum 2 was just opened, ericP 14:39:16 zakim, take up agendum 3 14:39:16 agendum 3. "Value Testing" taken up [from ericP] 14:40:07 ACTION: PatH to sketch tests that characterize impact of semantics work 14:40:11 CONTINUED 14:40:53 ACTION EricP: mail the WG asking about URIs for functions, re comment 2005-10-26T22:08:10Z from r.newman 14:42:04 SteveH, We'll move on to Protocol to give you more time to connect 14:42:05 -ouch- 14:42:17 will more time make you more successful? 14:42:25 dunno 14:42:32 will try again in 10 mins or so 14:42:38 zakim, take up agendum 5 14:42:38 agendum 5. "SPARQL Protocol" taken up [from ericP] 14:43:06 ACTION: KendallC to review sparql-types for xs:any weirdness, w.r.t. WSDL 2.0 constraints 14:43:09 CONTINUED 14:43:23 ACTION: KendallC to add a modified version of http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#security to protocol editor's draft, as well as a pointer to the section in rq23 itself 14:43:27 CONTINUED 14:43:37 ACTION: KendallC to propose revised WSDL descripton of SPARQL protocol 14:43:40 CONTINUED 14:43:49 ACTION DanC: notifty DAWG of WSDL response to our WSDL comments 14:43:51 CONTINUED 14:43:58 ACTION KendallC: remove uses of "my" in URIs in protocol spec 14:44:02 CONTINUED 14:46:08 KendallC talks a bit about Opera's community portal deploying a public SPARQL service, and the developer's requests for SADDLE. 14:46:34 SteveH, 14:46:55 See http://my.opera.com/community/sparql/ 14:46:55 also Joshua Tauberer and govtrack today 14:47:05 SteveH, please try zakim again 14:47:10 and http://www.govtrack.us/sparql.xpd 14:47:13 you can /msg amy for help 14:47:37 zakim, take up agendum 4 14:47:38 agendum 4. "decimal vs. double" taken up [from ericP] 14:47:44 ACTION: AndyS to update rq23 to reflect double => decimal progress/done. test impact? 14:47:55 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0246.html 14:48:07 DONE http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0246.html 14:49:46 we used to parse "5.3" as a double 14:50:06 we now parse "5.3" as a decimal 14:50:43 "5.3e0" is still a double 14:51:09 but there's no shorthand for that is there? 14:51:53 Shorthand?? Shorter than 5.3e0 ?? 14:52:20 If there is an exponent, it's a double. 14:52:53 ACTION AndyS: Make the decimal/double test changes for later WG approval 14:54:36 AndyS: 5.3e0 is shorthand for xsd:double as per XPath 14:54:48 "5" is an integer; "5.3" is a float; "5.3e0" is a double. 14:55:02 zakim, take up agendum 3 14:55:02 agendum 3. "Value Testing" taken up [from ericP] 14:55:12 5.3 is a decimal, right kendallclark? 14:55:23 erp, yes 14:55:25 I think 14:55:31 "5" is an integer; "5.3" is a decimal; "5.3e0" is a double. 14:55:46 scribe misheard/typed 14:55:52 Note recent changes in ValueTesting: 14:55:56 resolving inconsistencies in SPARQL Results mime registration 14:56:00 http://www.w3.org/mid/20051124204840.GM17026@w3.org 14:56:04 14:56:08 reformatted 11 Testing Values 14:56:12 http://www.w3.org/mid/20051125012116.GO17026@w3.org 14:56:16 14:56:20 s/xsd:string/plain literal/g 14:56:24 http://www.w3.org/mid/20051130195040.GB31232@w3.org 14:56:28 14:56:32 fixing regex collations 14:56:36 http://www.w3.org/mid/20051127213715.GJ412@w3.org 14:58:38 Aye, good move. 14:59:00 scribe is completely dead on this topic :) 14:59:02 FWIW 14:59:20 np 15:00:32 F&O : http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#func-matches 15:02:17 http://www.w3.org/mid/20051127213715.GJ412@w3.org 15:03:26 fn:matches 15:04:40 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#OperatorMapping 15:04:51 fn:compare is used for "=" 15:04:52 [[ 15:04:54 The collation for fn:compare is defined by XPath and identified by http://www.w3.org/2005/xpath-functions/collation/codepoint. This collation allows for string comparison based on code point values. Codepoint string equivilence can be tested with RDF term equivilence. 15:04:58 ]] 15:08:07 zakim, mute me 15:08:07 Kendall_Clark should now be muted 15:08:39 zakim, mute me 15:08:39 AndyS should now be muted 15:09:01 zakim, unmute me 15:09:01 AndyS should no longer be muted 15:09:02 every penny I have! 15:09:23 zakim, mute me 15:09:23 AndyS should now be muted 15:09:42 zakim, unmute me 15:09:42 AndyS should no longer be muted 15:09:43 Zakim, who is here? 15:09:44 On the phone I see EricP, Kendall_Clark (muted), AndyS, JeenB, LeeF, Libby_Miller 15:09:46 On IRC I see RRSAgent, LeeF, Zakim, kendallclark, DanC_csail, libby, AndyS, ericP, jeen, SteveH, DanC 15:10:56 +[IPcaller] 15:11:13 welcome SteveH 15:12:43 (btw, Tauberer is pretty happy with SPARQL protocol as well. Just got email from him about it.) 15:13:47 foo:shoeSize "10.5"^^xsd:float 15:14:25 +1 to what andy's saying 15:20:17 Lee: no direct work w/ floats vs. doubles in my RDF data -- preference for simpler is better, but not well-enough versed to know all the gotchas 15:20:18 whats the cost of us using floats? 15:21:08 ive got users with lots of doubles, but thier 10.5 in turtle mostly 15:21:22 ie. they will be decimal at some point 15:25:47 I dont think it would be much of a cost to me either 15:26:04 but SPAQRL is allready too complex IMHO 15:26:28 we will adjourn soon 15:27:36 Hmm, I think it's a *good* idea we don't have enough people to vote on this today, actuall. 15:27:40 erp, actually 15:30:56 Next meeting: 13 Dec, scribe: ericP 15:31:05 yes 15:31:16 ADJOURN 15:31:20 eric: make the irc logs world-readable or whatever the trick is? 15:31:26 -SteveH 15:31:37 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:31:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-dawg-minutes.html ericP 15:31:42 -Libby_Miller 15:31:49 rrsagent, please make minutes world readable 15:31:49 I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make minutes world readable', ericP. Try /msg RRSAgent help 15:31:53 cheers 15:31:54 -LeeF 15:32:03 Goodbye, libby 15:32:55 ericP: 403, try again? 15:33:04 -JeenB 15:33:30 -Kendall_Clark 15:36:02 -EricP 15:36:04 -AndyS 15:36:05 SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended 15:36:06 Attendees were EricP, Kendall_Clark, AndyS, JeenB, LeeF, Libby_Miller, [IPcaller] 15:36:23 zakim, IPcaller was SteveH 15:36:23 I don't understand 'IPcaller was SteveH', ericP 15:36:27 zakim, IPcaller is SteveH 15:36:27 sorry, ericP, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller' 15:36:33 zakim, [IPcaller] is SteveH 15:36:33 sorry, ericP, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]' 15:36:39 never mind