IRC log of wai-wcag on 2005-12-01

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+John_Slatin
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+Kevin
21:02:51 [ben]
Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
21:03:36 [bengt]
zakim, Kevin Giordano_Beretta
21:03:36 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'Kevin Giordano_Beretta', bengt
21:03:41 [bengt]
zakim, Kevin is Giordano_Beretta
21:03:41 [Zakim]
+Giordano_Beretta; got it
21:04:56 [ben]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/0597.html
21:05:02 [ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
21:05:02 [Zakim]
On the phone I see David_MacDonald, bengt_farre, Becky_Gibson, Andi, Alex_Li, Gregg, Sofia_Celic, John_Slatin, Giordano_Beretta
21:05:25 [ben]
zakim, Gregg is Gregg_and_Ben
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+Gregg_and_Ben; got it
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+??P19
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agenda+ Proposed Revisions to Guideline 1.1
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+Kerstin_Goldsmith
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agenda+ Proposed Revisions to SC 2.4.1
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agenda+ Proposed Revisions to Guidelines 4.1 and 4.2
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agenda+ 4.2 Issue Summary, resolutions, closings
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agenda+ 1.4 and 2.3 Issue Summaries, resolutions, closings
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+??P21
21:06:49 [rellero]
zakim, ??P21 is rellero
21:06:49 [Zakim]
+rellero; got it
21:06:54 [rellero]
zakim, mute me
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rellero should now be muted
21:07:41 [ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
21:07:41 [Zakim]
On the phone I see David_MacDonald, bengt_farre, Becky_Gibson, Andi, Alex_Li, Gregg_and_Ben, Sofia_Celic, John_Slatin, Giordano_Beretta, ??P19, Kerstin_Goldsmith, rellero (muted)
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-Giordano_Beretta
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+[ATTcaller]
21:08:20 [bengt]
zakim, ??P19 is Katie
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+Katie; got it
21:08:38 [ben]
zakim, [ATTcaller] is Tim_Boland
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+Tim_Boland; got it
21:08:47 [ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
21:08:47 [Zakim]
On the phone I see David_MacDonald, bengt_farre, Becky_Gibson, Andi, Alex_Li, Gregg_and_Ben, Sofia_Celic, John_Slatin, Katie, Kerstin_Goldsmith, rellero (muted), Tim_Boland
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chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden and John_Slatin
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scribe: Kesh
21:09:34 [ben]
agenda?
21:10:54 [ben]
zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Proposed Revisions to Guideline 1.1" taken up [from ben]
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+Matt_May
21:12:06 [ben]
proposed changes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/att-0593/guideline1.1_proposal.html
21:12:10 [Kesh]
john: get rid of "at least" in "at least identified it"
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+??P26
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+Michael_Cooper
21:14:17 [ben]
zakim, ??P26 is Gian
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+Gian; got it
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zakim, mute me
21:16:42 [Zakim]
sorry, Kesh, I do not see a party named 'Kesh'
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zakim mute Kerstin
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zakim, mute Kerstin
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Kerstin_Goldsmith should now be muted
21:17:56 [ben]
zakim, unmute Kerstin_Goldsmith
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Kerstin_Goldsmith should no longer be muted
21:17:58 [Kesh]
zakim, unmute Kerstin
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Kerstin_Goldsmith was not muted, Kesh
21:18:32 [Kesh]
resolution= remove "at least" from guideline 1.1.3
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> resolution= remove "at least" from guideline 1.1.2
21:19:33 [Kesh]
resolution= add a parathentical "(see guideline 1.2)" at the end of 1.1.2
21:20:45 [Kesh]
resolution= adopt the proposed revisions to 1.1 criteria as amended
21:20:59 [ben]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 1 closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Proposed Revisions to SC 2.4.1 [from ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "Proposed Revisions to SC 2.4.1" taken up [from ben]
21:25:14 [gregg]
The purpose of this success criterion is to ensure that user agents, including assistive technologies, can recognize any navigational mechanisms that may be present in the content, beyond those perceivable structures required by 1.3.1. 1.3.1 requires perceivable structures such as headings, labels for form controls, lists, etc. to be programmatically determined.
21:26:06 [Kesh]
resolution: adopt the new 2.4.1 with this new intent
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ack Katie
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zakim, make log world
21:27:23 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'make log world', ben
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RRSAgent, make log world
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resolution: change "navigational features" to "navigational mechanisms"
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 2 closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. Proposed Revisions to Guidelines 4.1 and 4.2 [from ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "Proposed Revisions to Guidelines 4.1 and 4.2" taken up [from ben]
21:29:18 [ben]
proposed changes to 4.1 and 4.2: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/att-0592/4.1and4.2Proposal.htm
21:31:40 [Kesh22]
proposal= add the phrase "of the web content" to all relevent success criteria 4.1.3/4/5
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resolution: add the phrase "of the web content" to all relevent success criteria 4.1.3/4/5
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ack Tim
21:44:18 [Kesh22]
resolution= adopt 4.5.1 "Changes to content, structure, selection, focus, attributes, values, state, and relationships of the user interface elements in the Web content can be programmatically determined."
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resolution= adopt new 4.1.5 "Changes to content, structure, selection, focus, attributes, values, state, and relationships of the user interface elements in the Web content can be programmatically determined."
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q+
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ack David
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ack Alex
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+ kesh
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ack John
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resolution= use "in the content" rather than "of the content" in the proposal
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resolution= 4.1/4.2 proposal as advised is adopted
22:05:21 [ben]
agenda?
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 3 closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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4. 4.2 Issue Summary, resolutions, closings [from ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "4.2 Issue Summary, resolutions, closings" taken up [from ben]
22:07:06 [Kesh]
resolution= close issue 2.4.4 with the comment
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resolution= close issues 822, 971, 972, 993, 1050, 1418, 1536, 1537, 1713,
22:09:30 [Michael]
q+
22:11:47 [Kesh]
ack Mich
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q+ Michael
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ack Alex
22:12:11 [gregg]
q+
22:15:21 [bengt]
q?
22:16:21 [gregg]
ack j
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ack m
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ack g
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ack t
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ack j
22:18:29 [Kesh]
resolution= close 889 with the comment as proposed "plugin is a special type of user agent ..."
22:20:08 [Kesh]
resolution= close 934 with revised comment
22:21:36 [Kesh]
resolution= close 970 with comment submitted by Andi :User interfaces, although covered by UAAG for user agents, need content authoring guidelines since they may also appear in content.
22:21:46 [Zakim]
-rellero
22:22:13 [Kesh]
resolution= close 934 with revised comment: Fallbacks for technologies are handled by the baseline and the 4.2 success criteria.
22:23:06 [Michael]
q+
22:23:59 [Michael]
ack m
22:26:11 [Kesh]
resolution= close 1133 with change: The choice of technology is a baseline issue. Guidance to make some dynamic technologies accessible are provided in the How To Meet documents. Please review baseline document to see if it meets the need you identified.
22:27:04 [Kesh]
resolution= add the comment "Please review baseline document to see if it meets the need you identified." to any issues that we closed with "met by baseline."
22:31:26 [Michael]
q+ to say I like Ben's suggestion if that's workable
22:35:12 [Kesh]
resolution= leave 1714 open in order to add an advisory technique to note the UA issues that apply, and Gian's comments, as well as John/Michael comment to look at 1.4 to see if this is addressed in combination with legible fonts
22:35:20 [Michael]
ack j
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ack m
22:35:22 [Zakim]
Michael, you wanted to say I like Ben's suggestion if that's workable
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resolution= 344, 454, 489, 592, 996, 1699, 1719, 1166 (with editorial), 1631
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resolution= closing 344, 454, 489, 592, 996, 1699, 1719, 1166 (with editorial), 1631
22:38:44 [Kesh]
zakim, take up agendum 5
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agendum 5. "1.4 and 2.3 Issue Summaries, resolutions, closings" taken up [from ben]
22:42:41 [ben]
ack Gian
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-Matt_May
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q+
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ack Sof
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resolution= close 1736 saying " Current algorithm in 1.4.1 and 1.4.3 takes color deficiency in to account by using luminosity contrast. The group discussed moving contrast to level 1 and decided to leave it at level 2 and level 3."
22:46:15 [Kesh]
resolution= close 1736 saying " Current algorithm in 1.4.1 and 1.4.3 takes color deficiency in to account by using luminosity contrast. The group discussed moving contrast to level 1 and decided to leave it at level 2 and level 3." with two absentions
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note: leaving 1528 open
22:52:32 [Kesh22]
motion= leave open issue 892 (VOTES: 9, L3 - 2, advisory - 1, other); add something about JIS and that we have a L3 sc about something about readable fonts (if one can be formulated that is testable)
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cancel previous statement
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motion= leave open issue 892, add something about JIS and that we have a L3 sc about something about readable fonts (if one can be formulated that is testable)
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resolution= leave 892, and commission an action item to create a L3 sc dealing with readable fonts (if one can be formulated that is testable)
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action: Michael create a L3 sc dealing with readable fonts (if one can be formulated that is testable) - Michael, email Gian for comments/suggestions
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proposal= reject 1522, saying processes are not techniques, and processes do not qualify as sc or techniques
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ack John
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scribe: ben
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-Kerstin_Goldsmith
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resolution: revise guideline 1.4 to read, "Make it easy to distinguish foreground information from its background" and close issue 1706.
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ack katie
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-Katie
23:07:42 [wendy]
where are you on the agenda?
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-Tim_Boland
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resolution: close 1737 because "the example does not exist in the current draft"
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agenda?
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 5 closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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4. 4.2 Issue Summary, resolutions, closings [from ben]
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zakim, close agendum 4
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agendum 4, 4.2 Issue Summary, resolutions, closings, closed
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I see nothing remaining on the agenda
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-Alex_Li
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-Becky_Gibson
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-Sofia_Celic
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-Gregg_and_Ben
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-Andi
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-bengt_farre
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-Gian
23:10:58 [ben]
23:10:58 [ben]
Regrets: Christophe_Strobbe, Roberto_Scano, Makoto_Ueki, Takayuki_Watanabe, Wendy_Chisholm, Roberto_Castaldo, Luca_Mascaro, Sebastiano_Nutarelli, Yvette_Hoitink, Loretta_Guarino-Reid
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-John_Slatin
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-David_MacDonald
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-Michael_Cooper
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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were David_MacDonald, bengt_farre, Becky_Gibson, Andi, Alex_Li, Sofia_Celic, John_Slatin, Giordano_Beretta, Gregg_and_Ben, Kerstin_Goldsmith, rellero, Katie, Tim_Boland,
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... Matt_May, Michael_Cooper, Gian
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RRSAgent, please generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/01-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben
23:14:02 [ben]
Zakim, bye
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/01-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Michael create a L3 sc dealing with readable fonts (if one can be formulated that is testable) - Michael, email Gian for comments/suggestions [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/01-wai-wcag-irc#T22-55-55