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14:45:54 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
14:45:54 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
14:46:09 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
14:46:12 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Nov/0026.html
14:46:25 <shadi> regrets: Nick, Charles
14:46:39 <shadi> chair: Shadi
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15:00:29 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
15:00:36 <Zakim> + +1.514.878.aaaa
15:00:47 <Zakim> +johannes
15:00:52 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is really Shadi
15:00:52 <Zakim> +Shadi; got it
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15:02:02 <Zakim> +Sandor_Herramhof
15:03:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:04:34 <Sandor> take up agendum 1
15:04:36 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really chris
15:04:36 <Zakim> +chris; got it
15:05:09 <Sandor> agenda + HTTP in RDF
15:05:24 <Sandor> agenda + Robust metadata
15:05:36 <Sandor> agenda + using locations with XPath
15:05:51 <Sandor> take up agendum 1
15:06:22 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Nov/0022
15:06:24 <Zakim> +nacho
15:07:07 <shadi> zakim, nacho is really CarlosI
15:07:07 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
15:08:07 <Sandor> JK: added additional header properties
15:11:42 <Sandor> JK: divided into URI host port and absPath
15:12:33 <Sandor> SA: put stuff into usefull namespace
15:13:28 <Sandor> SA: now we have 5 different namespaces
15:14:15 <Sandor> JK: rfc2965 redefined cookie header
15:14:35 <Sandor> SA: what cookie is more deployd
15:14:58 <Sandor> JK: name is the same, value may be different
15:15:55 <Sandor> SA: netscape cookie part, actual description in commend
15:16:40 <Sandor> JK: in the commend described: this header is defined in rfc...
15:17:22 <Sandor> SA: should have pointer to the sources where it's based - like rdf:seeAlso
15:18:15 <Sandor> SA: cookies part: see what differences are in there - should forward to the annotea people, what we have come up with, give them a couple of tweaks
15:18:22 <Sandor> JK: agrees
15:19:27 <Sandor> SA: prop. next weeks, send out comment, edit working group note
15:19:46 <Sandor> CV: should have it before february
15:20:20 <Sandor> SA: 3-4 weeks should be enough to commend
15:21:40 <Sandor> take up agendum 2
15:22:08 <Sandor> SA: robust metadata from nick, unfortunately nick is not here :(((
15:24:20 <Sandor> SA: something that should be on top of EARL
15:25:21 <Sandor> SA: lot's of the checkpoints have dependecies, sometimes they're clear sometimes not
15:26:24 <Sandor> SA: table: if we hash the table, some cp apply to the table not outside - aslong as no changes outside the table happen nothing happens
15:27:15 <Sandor> JK: more about how to implement the checking tool (easier for the programmer) - less for the EARL report
15:28:17 <Sandor> JK: if table does not change compare hashes ... 
15:30:35 <Sandor> SA: many of the WCAG cp, can be described by what is the relationship to others
15:31:16 <Sandor> SA: e.g. image + description, can be hashed easily 
15:31:30 <Sandor> JK: and the context does not change
15:31:57 <Sandor> SA: in many cases the context can be described by a hash
15:33:09 <Sandor> SA: should EARL express some of these persistency mechanisms?
15:33:35 <Sandor> SA: who is interessted working on this issue?
15:35:11 <Sandor> CV: what about the reliability of these descriptions - comparing docs/results
15:36:00 <Sandor> CV: use case: something cases in the page even if the xpath does not
15:36:38 <Sandor> SA: table: today manual eval, if we run test tomorrow can we reuse the result?
15:37:09 <Sandor> SA: need some kind of persistency, else we would have to run test again
15:38:03 <Sandor> SA: can be define priority levels on this issue?
15:38:49 <Sandor> JK: could be helpfull for manual checks 
15:39:39 <Sandor> SA: some tools combine manual/automatic checks
15:40:28 <Sandor> SA: being able to reuse test results, is this useful?
15:40:43 <Sandor> CR: this is really important
15:42:59 <Sandor> JK: if there is a possibility to reduce the number of checks for manual evaluators -> this is good, does not make sense for automatic checks 
15:43:54 <Sandor> SA: what is the priority on this for the ERT WG? 
15:44:05 <Sandor> silence
15:45:41 <Sandor> SA: seems to be no key issue for the group
15:46:01 <Sandor> take up agendum 3
15:48:24 <Sandor> JK: if you don't have access to the the namespace mapping, no mapping unless you get an element / prefix namespace mapping
15:49:03 <Sandor> JK: no requirement for a docs to use prefixes
15:49:37 <Sandor> JK: if you want to locate elements, you normally take prefixes (map to URI)
15:50:31 <Sandor> SA: if the tool know how to map, it can figure out it anyway
15:51:24 <Sandor> JK: XPATH uses prefixes, these can be mapped, element uses namespaces, they may use prefixes but they are not required to
15:57:04 <Sandor> ACTION: (For all) think about the XPATH issue, and solutions about it
15:58:07 <Sandor> SA: XML docs has doctype (e.g. XHTML), though the literal is in the same namespace
16:00:52 <Zakim> -chris
16:02:55 <Sandor> JK: several locs in the report, put it outside and used namespace class for the mapping
16:03:57 <Sandor> SA: for all again, use XPATH parsers and give feedback :)
16:04:16 <Zakim> -johannes
16:04:17 <Zakim> -CarlosI
16:04:17 <Zakim> -Shadi
16:04:23 <Zakim> -Sandor_Herramhof
16:04:24 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
16:04:25 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.514.878.aaaa, johannes, Shadi, Sandor_Herramhof, chris, CarlosI
16:05:44 <shadi> rssagent, make logs world
16:05:53 <shadi> zakim, bye
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16:06:07 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:06:20 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:06:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/11/30-er-minutes.html shadi
16:06:48 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
16:06:48 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/30-er-actions.rdf :
16:06:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: (For all) think about the XPATH issue, and solutions about it [1]
16:06:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/30-er-irc#T15-57-04