IRC log of swbp on 2005-11-29

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15:07:44 [benadida]
zakim, ??P1 is jeremy
15:07:44 [Zakim]
+jeremy; got it
15:08:50 [benadida]
rrsagent, make log public
15:09:18 [Zakim]
+??P0
15:09:23 [MarkB]
zakim, i am ?
15:09:23 [Zakim]
+MarkB; got it
15:11:12 [benadida]
zakim, agenda+ CURIE syntax
15:11:12 [Zakim]
agendum 1 added
15:11:19 [benadida]
zakim, agenda+ XSLT for RDf/A
15:11:19 [Zakim]
agendum 2 added
15:11:23 [Steven]
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15:14:20 [benadida]
take up agendum 1
15:14:56 [benadida]
MarkB: we're talking about CURIE/URI here, we started with delimiters or enclosers, square brackets
15:15:06 [jeremy]
Just catching up on the mail: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Nov/0049 is brilliant
15:16:37 [MarkB]
If current doc is "http://xyz.com/a/b.html"
15:16:48 [jeremy]
the following is a legal rel URI //www.w3.org
15:17:09 [jeremy]
also the following //[aaaa::aaaa]
15:17:22 [jeremy]
(I think, I can't remember IPv6 IP address format)
15:19:03 [benadida]
someone proposed [cc]license
15:19:22 [Steven]
I did
15:19:59 [benadida]
Ben: do we have any further thoughts on this?
15:20:11 [benadida]
MarkB: to be honest, I don't really care about which syntax we choose.
15:20:40 [benadida]
... our HTML audience isn't very familiar with QNames, so it might not be a big problem
15:20:44 [jeremy]
My only requirement is that the syntax is X [a-zA-Z0-9]+ : .* where X is a non-alphabetic
15:22:29 [benadida]
MarkB: [cc]license is not a legal URI, so it would be an okay syntax
15:22:44 [benadida]
Jeremy: as long as the syntax we agree on is not a legal URI, then I'm happy
15:23:52 [benadida]
Ben: but QNames are legal URIs
15:24:03 [benadida]
Jeremy: dc:title is a legal URI
15:24:21 [benadida]
... in terms that it matches the URI spec
15:25:09 [benadida]
MarkB: I don't think that's a legal URI anymore
15:25:21 [MarkB]
If we are in "http://www.w3.org/index.html"...
15:25:32 [jeremy]
consider mailto:foo
15:25:45 [MarkB]
...then it used to be regarded as valid to say "http:index2.html"
15:26:34 [benadida]
... but that's kind of frowned upon now
15:26:44 [jeremy]
path = path-abempty ; begins with "/" or is empty
15:26:44 [jeremy]
/ path-absolute ; begins with "/" but not "//"
15:26:44 [jeremy]
/ path-noscheme ; begins with a non-colon segment
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/ path-rootless ; begins with a segment
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/ path-empty ; zero characters
15:26:52 [jeremy]
path-noscheme = segment-nz-nc *( "/" segment )
15:28:00 [jeremy]
oops wrong rules ... try again
15:28:56 [benadida]
Jeremy: 2 sensible choices: a) CURIEs sensibly different b) CURIEs similar and gives us features, but requires bracketing (or something like it)
15:29:17 [benadida]
... making CURIEs look like QNAmes is a defensible position
15:29:30 [Steven]
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15:29:38 [jeremy]
URI = scheme ":" hier-part [ "?" query ] [ "#" fragment ]
15:29:50 [jeremy]
hier-part = "//" authority path-abempty
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/ path-absolute
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/ path-rootless
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/ path-empty
15:30:01 [jeremy]
path-rootless = segment-nz *( "/" segment )
15:30:02 [benadida]
MarkB: I feel that we are on strong ground with this proposal.
15:30:05 [RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2005/11/29-swbp-irc#T15-30-02
15:30:11 [Steven]
rrsagent, pointer?
15:30:11 [RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2005/11/29-swbp-irc#T15-30-11
15:30:19 [benadida]
... the point that Norm got to, that Best Practices are not great.
15:34:44 [benadida]
What do we know. The following syntaxes are workable
15:34:51 [benadida]
- [cc:license] as CURIE/URI
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- [cc]license as a CURIE
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.. and a CURIE/URI
15:35:47 [Steven]
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15:36:08 [MarkB]
[protocol]//mylocation/a/b#x
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{$a}abc
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{/a/b}a
15:37:47 [MarkB]
Steven's other syntax proposal:
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:a:b
15:38:28 [MarkB]
[[subst]:][[scheme]://]...etc.
15:40:27 [benadida]
MarkB: the advantage of stepping outside of xmlns is that we can use any substitution mechanism we want, including some that can be Xincluded
15:40:58 [MarkB]
s/stepping outside of xmlns/stepping outside of QNames-proper/
15:42:49 [benadida]
MarkB: [missed some notes here]
15:43:23 [benadida]
MarkB: if we go for a different qname syntax, we should also add the extra bits for substitution
15:44:07 [benadida]
Jeremy: if we wrote a CURIE note as a standalone document
15:44:14 [benadida]
... the prefix-binding should be application-specific
15:44:30 [benadida]
... the CURIEs would be the same in SPARQL, XHTML, etc...
15:44:40 [benadida]
... but the mechanism by which prefixes are bound to URIs *could* be different
15:45:23 [benadida]
MarkB: this would give the IPTC what they want, as well
15:47:08 [Zakim]
-MarkB
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agendum 2
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take up agendumj 2
15:48:14 [benadida]
take up agendum 2
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-jeremy
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-Ben_Adida
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SW_BPD(rdfxhtml)10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Ben_Adida, jeremy, MarkB
15:57:58 [benadida]
Jeremy and Ben agree to Christmas deadline for RDF/A XSLT
15:58:06 [benadida]
ACTION: Jeremy to have XSLT ready by Christmas
15:59:48 [benadida]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/11/29-swbp-minutes.html benadida
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18:31:42 [Steven]
rrsagent, bye
18:31:42 [RRSAgent]
I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/29-swbp-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Jeremy to have XSLT ready by Christmas [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/29-swbp-irc#T15-58-06