17:59:39 RRSAgent has joined #tagmem 17:59:39 logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/11/22-tagmem-irc 18:00:16 -Ed_Rice? 18:00:17 TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has ended 18:00:18 Attendees were +1.916.785.aaaa 18:00:34 TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has now started 18:00:35 + +1.916.785.aaaa - is perhaps Ed_Rice? 18:01:10 +Norm 18:01:12 -Norm 18:01:13 +Norm 18:01:18 +DanC 18:01:22 zakim, please call ht-781 18:01:23 ok, ht; the call is being made 18:01:23 +Ht 18:01:59 Zakim, who's on the phone? 18:01:59 On the phone I see Ed_Rice?, Norm, DanC, Ht 18:02:02 +[INRIA] 18:02:05 +Roy 18:02:32 Zakim, INRIA is Vincent 18:02:32 +Vincent; got it 18:03:06 ScribeNick: Roy 18:03:14 Scribe: Roy Fielding 18:04:07 Zakim, Ed_Rice? is Ed 18:04:07 +Ed; got it 18:06:42 zakim, take up 1 18:06:42 I don't understand 'take up 1', Roy 18:06:47 +Noah_Mendelsohn 18:06:57 Topic: Administrative 18:07:17 Next teleconference is 29 Nov 18:07:31 possible regrets: Dan 18:08:05 regrets: Vincent 18:08:13 possible regrets: Tim, Henry 18:08:52 ED: let's see if we can get through the F2F agenda today first 18:10:02 VQ: any additions to agenda [none] 18:10:27 VQ: Minutes of 8 November [thanks to Dan] 18:11:23 VQ: any objection to approving the minutes [none] 18:11:49 RESOLVED minutes of 8 November are approved 18:12:03 RESOLVED: minutes of 8 November are approved 18:12:16 http://www.w3.org/2005/Talks/1201-TAG-report/ 18:13:17 Topic: TAG presentation at AC meeting 18:14:07 HT: we have a 45 minute slot... I have prepared some slides (about 10 minutes) and then the rest of the session will be spent on discussion 18:14:26 IE bug? 18:15:02 ... please review the slides. 18:15:33 noah_toronto has joined #tagmem 18:15:51 zakim, who is here? 18:15:51 On the phone I see Ed, Norm, DanC, Ht, Vincent, Roy, Noah_Mendelsohn 18:15:52 On IRC I see noah_toronto, RRSAgent, Ed, Roy, Vincent, Zakim, Norm, DanC, ht 18:16:02 VQ: we mentioned the issue of gathering educational material and, IIRC, someone requested that you ask AC reps to send information to us as part of slides 18:16:12 HT: forgot, I will add that 18:16:24 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/em27 18:16:39 HT: Dan, do you have material to add? 18:16:44 The dynamic version of the slides clips off the bottom if your font is set to large. In particular, the navigators disappear. Might this be an accessibility problem? 18:19:17 HT: the dynamic version is only for presentation during the event 18:21:22 RF: remember to update the TAG background slide before event 18:23:00 NM: suggest something lighter than "Almost never!" for when is a new URI scheme justified. 18:23:48 HT: I will try to put this to bed by Monday 18:24:17 Topic: December F2F meeting at MIT 18:24:49 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/12/5-6-agenda.html 18:25:52 NW: please add namespaceDocument-8 to the agenda 18:26:05 NW: I hope to have a new draft done by then 18:26:27 NW: most likely will be in attendance on Tuesday 18:27:23 VQ: who is able to attend the F2F? 18:29:03 NM: We should postpone XMLVersioning-41 is Dave is unable to attend 18:29:37 VQ: I will check with Dave 18:30:32 Actually, I also mentioned that we might have a productive discussion of general issues around versioning, even without Dave, picking up for the whiteboard discussion in Edinburgh. 18:30:47 s/noah_toronto/noah/ 18:30:50 "# RF to update Authoritative Metadata finding to include resolution of putMediaType-38" -- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/03/action-summary.html 18:30:56 RF: I would like to add the mimerespect finding 18:30:59 TAG issues contentTypeOverride-24, putMediaType-38, and portions of errorHandling-20 18:31:21 I don't think we can do justice to a detailed review of Dave's versioning draft if he's not in the meeting. 18:31:46 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mime-respect 18:32:01 (will be updated before F2F) 18:32:45 HT: I am working on some writing on thought pieces for issues ?? 18:33:02 VQ: please send me pointers to add to the agenda 18:34:21 VQ: please continue to review the agenda and send comments in the next few days via email or at the AC meeting 18:35:17 VQ: how about timing? 9-5 each day? 18:35:52 RF: I will need to leave earlier on Tuesday to catch 5:20pm flight at BOS 18:36:26 I'd like to accept the dinner invitation, Noah. (remind me which day? monday 5 Dec?) 18:37:04 NM: please send ack to indicate if you plan on attending monday dinner hosted by IBM 18:38:32 s/5:20pm/6:10pm/ 18:39:02 Topic: Issue endPointRefs-47 18:39:16 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#endPointRefs-47 18:39:25 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Nov/att-0008/eprExample.html 18:40:34 HT: background on this is from our discussion at Edinburgh F2F, when I was surprised to find a lack of examples at W3C. 18:40:52 HT: found an example in the Apache WSRF toolkit 18:41:01 http://ws.apache.org/wsrf/ 18:42:09 HT: example was too detailed, so I trimmed it down and changed the domain -- validated the example to be sure it would run 18:43:17 q+ to ask more about where EPRs come from 18:44:42 ack noah 18:44:42 noah, you wanted to ask more about where EPRs come from 18:45:11 HT: Mark Baker commented that somewhere you have to know that the wsa:To is set 18:47:19 q+ 18:47:27 ack ht 18:47:56 NM: as I understand it, typical use of EPR is more like a cookie and is related to reply-to style of functionality, where the WSDL is no longer needed for the headers 18:48:21 HT: need WSDL to determine what the service needs for the body 18:49:35 HT: the EPR is effectively used as a URI 18:50:05 NM: we need to ask the experts what they are doing do get a clearer picture 18:50:57 I think the specific question is: specifically in the WSRF case, to what extent will EPRs be used only in a cookie-like scenario, where they are minted by the resource owner, and to what extent will clients mint their own. 18:51:07 URCs... heh... meanwhile, RDF/OWL descriptions are pretty much the same thing 18:51:27 The spec seems to invite anyone to create their own, but some of the "experts" I've spoken to suggest that this is not currently the intended use case. 18:52:56 timbl has joined #tagmem 18:53:11 RF: I have seen this stuff before ... URA and URC discussions on URI WG... I have no advice other than to say that they are doomed to failure 18:53:42 Mark Baker's point was that the bit that's left out of all the specs, he believes, is how you know to POST the SOAP message to the wsa:Address from the EPR 18:54:57 +TimBL 18:55:47 URA http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2016.txt 18:57:50 ACTION: Noah to send this example to WSA experts and ask them to clarify and/or poke holes in it 18:58:23 Topic: Searchable content and semantic Web 18:58:39 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Nov/0028.html 18:58:55 http://base.google.com/base/about.html 18:59:10 So I misunderstood google's own advertising of, http://www.google.com/base/a/15753386180997773819 19:00:05 Labels are any keywords or phrases – such as recipe, event, or product – that can be used to classify or describe your item. 19:00:08 Attributes are words or phrases that help describe the characteristics and qualities of your items. You may enter multiple values for a particular attribute separated by commas. 19:00:37 HT: reading their blurb it seems like they are hosting, but they are really only hosting metadata and links 19:02:39 or gifs or jpgs 19:04:53 RF: it is a mini-publishing system, with expiration times on items (max 31 days) 19:05:16 RF: think classified ads 19:07:26 RF: I am having difficulty seeing why this is relevant to the TAG 19:07:53 NM: just an example of current technology use of the Web and metadata 19:08:58 VQ: Any more agenda items? [none] 19:09:24 Topic: next week's telecon 19:09:44 VQ: Is anyone else not available? 19:10:02 HT: on plane 19:10:06 VQ: on plane 19:10:42 VQ: I suggest we just skip the next telecon. Any objections? [none] 19:11:06 Tim, please have a quick look at http://www.w3.org/2005/Talks/1201-TAG-report/ 19:11:16 VQ: next meeting at F2F at MIT 19:11:17 -TimBL 19:11:18 -Ed 19:11:18 -Norm 19:11:19 -Vincent 19:11:19 -Noah_Mendelsohn 19:11:19 If you can -- thanks 19:11:21 -DanC 19:11:21 ADJOURNED 19:11:24 -Ht 19:11:35 rrsagent, pointer? 19:11:35 See http://www.w3.org/2005/11/22-tagmem-irc#T19-11-35 19:11:50 rrsagent, make world-access 19:11:50 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make world-access', Roy. Try /msg RRSAgent help 19:12:07 -Roy 19:12:08 TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has ended 19:12:09 Attendees were +1.916.785.aaaa, Norm, DanC, Ht, Roy, Vincent, Ed, Noah_Mendelsohn, TimBL 19:12:38 roy, do you want the minutes script run? 19:13:07 no 19:13:28 Then I won't tell you how to :-) 19:13:29 I prefer to do it myself after editing the log 19:13:35 understood 19:13:36 Cheers 19:13:45 cheers 20:02:56 Norm has joined #tagmem 20:14:59 Norm has joined #tagmem 21:11:27 Zakim has left #tagmem 21:35:55 Norm has joined #tagmem 23:38:23 Norm has joined #tagmem