IRC log of tagmem on 2005-11-22
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- -Ed_Rice?
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- TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has ended
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- Attendees were +1.916.785.aaaa
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- TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has now started
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- + +1.916.785.aaaa - is perhaps Ed_Rice?
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- +Norm
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- -Norm
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- +Norm
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- +DanC
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- zakim, please call ht-781
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- ok, ht; the call is being made
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- +Ht
- 18:01:59 [DanC]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Ed_Rice?, Norm, DanC, Ht
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- +[INRIA]
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- +Roy
- 18:02:32 [Vincent]
- Zakim, INRIA is Vincent
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- +Vincent; got it
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- ScribeNick: Roy
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- Scribe: Roy Fielding
- 18:04:07 [Ed]
- Zakim, Ed_Rice? is Ed
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- +Ed; got it
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- zakim, take up 1
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- I don't understand 'take up 1', Roy
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- +Noah_Mendelsohn
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- Topic: Administrative
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- Next teleconference is 29 Nov
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- possible regrets: Dan
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- regrets: Vincent
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- possible regrets: Tim, Henry
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- ED: let's see if we can get through the F2F agenda today first
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- VQ: any additions to agenda [none]
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- VQ: Minutes of 8 November [thanks to Dan]
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- VQ: any objection to approving the minutes [none]
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- RESOLVED minutes of 8 November are approved
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- RESOLVED: minutes of 8 November are approved
- 18:12:16 [ht]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Talks/1201-TAG-report/
- 18:13:17 [Roy]
- Topic: TAG presentation at AC meeting
- 18:14:07 [Roy]
- HT: we have a 45 minute slot... I have prepared some slides (about 10 minutes) and then the rest of the session will be spent on discussion
- 18:14:26 [Norm]
- IE bug?
- 18:15:02 [Roy]
- ... please review the slides.
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- zakim, who is here?
- 18:15:51 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Ed, Norm, DanC, Ht, Vincent, Roy, Noah_Mendelsohn
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- On IRC I see noah_toronto, RRSAgent, Ed, Roy, Vincent, Zakim, Norm, DanC, ht
- 18:16:02 [Roy]
- VQ: we mentioned the issue of gathering educational material and, IIRC, someone requested that you ask AC reps to send information to us as part of slides
- 18:16:12 [Roy]
- HT: forgot, I will add that
- 18:16:24 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/em27
- 18:16:39 [Roy]
- HT: Dan, do you have material to add?
- 18:16:44 [noah_toronto]
- The dynamic version of the slides clips off the bottom if your font is set to large. In particular, the navigators disappear. Might this be an accessibility problem?
- 18:19:17 [Roy]
- HT: the dynamic version is only for presentation during the event
- 18:21:22 [Roy]
- RF: remember to update the TAG background slide before event
- 18:23:00 [Roy]
- NM: suggest something lighter than "Almost never!" for when is a new URI scheme justified.
- 18:23:48 [Roy]
- HT: I will try to put this to bed by Monday
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- Topic: December F2F meeting at MIT
- 18:24:49 [Roy]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/12/5-6-agenda.html
- 18:25:52 [Roy]
- NW: please add namespaceDocument-8 to the agenda
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- NW: I hope to have a new draft done by then
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- NW: most likely will be in attendance on Tuesday
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- VQ: who is able to attend the F2F?
- 18:29:03 [Roy]
- NM: We should postpone XMLVersioning-41 is Dave is unable to attend
- 18:29:37 [Roy]
- VQ: I will check with Dave
- 18:30:32 [noah_toronto]
- Actually, I also mentioned that we might have a productive discussion of general issues around versioning, even without Dave, picking up for the whiteboard discussion in Edinburgh.
- 18:30:47 [noah]
- s/noah_toronto/noah/
- 18:30:50 [DanC]
- "# RF to update Authoritative Metadata finding to include resolution of putMediaType-38" -- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/03/action-summary.html
- 18:30:56 [Roy]
- RF: I would like to add the mimerespect finding
- 18:30:59 [Roy]
- TAG issues contentTypeOverride-24, putMediaType-38, and portions of errorHandling-20
- 18:31:21 [noah]
- I don't think we can do justice to a detailed review of Dave's versioning draft if he's not in the meeting.
- 18:31:46 [Roy]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mime-respect
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- (will be updated before F2F)
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- HT: I am working on some writing on thought pieces for issues ??
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- VQ: please send me pointers to add to the agenda
- 18:34:21 [Roy]
- VQ: please continue to review the agenda and send comments in the next few days via email or at the AC meeting
- 18:35:17 [Roy]
- VQ: how about timing? 9-5 each day?
- 18:35:52 [Roy]
- RF: I will need to leave earlier on Tuesday to catch 5:20pm flight at BOS
- 18:36:26 [DanC]
- I'd like to accept the dinner invitation, Noah. (remind me which day? monday 5 Dec?)
- 18:37:04 [Roy]
- NM: please send ack to indicate if you plan on attending monday dinner hosted by IBM
- 18:38:32 [Roy]
- s/5:20pm/6:10pm/
- 18:39:02 [Roy]
- Topic: Issue endPointRefs-47
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#endPointRefs-47
- 18:39:25 [Roy]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Nov/att-0008/eprExample.html
- 18:40:34 [Roy]
- HT: background on this is from our discussion at Edinburgh F2F, when I was surprised to find a lack of examples at W3C.
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- HT: found an example in the Apache WSRF toolkit
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- http://ws.apache.org/wsrf/
- 18:42:09 [Roy]
- HT: example was too detailed, so I trimmed it down and changed the domain -- validated the example to be sure it would run
- 18:43:17 [noah]
- q+ to ask more about where EPRs come from
- 18:44:42 [Vincent]
- ack noah
- 18:44:42 [Zakim]
- noah, you wanted to ask more about where EPRs come from
- 18:45:11 [Roy]
- HT: Mark Baker commented that somewhere you have to know that the wsa:To is set
- 18:47:19 [ht]
- q+
- 18:47:27 [Vincent]
- ack ht
- 18:47:56 [Roy]
- NM: as I understand it, typical use of EPR is more like a cookie and is related to reply-to style of functionality, where the WSDL is no longer needed for the headers
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- HT: need WSDL to determine what the service needs for the body
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- HT: the EPR is effectively used as a URI
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- NM: we need to ask the experts what they are doing do get a clearer picture
- 18:50:57 [noah]
- I think the specific question is: specifically in the WSRF case, to what extent will EPRs be used only in a cookie-like scenario, where they are minted by the resource owner, and to what extent will clients mint their own.
- 18:51:07 [DanC]
- URCs... heh... meanwhile, RDF/OWL descriptions are pretty much the same thing
- 18:51:27 [noah]
- The spec seems to invite anyone to create their own, but some of the "experts" I've spoken to suggest that this is not currently the intended use case.
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- 18:53:11 [Roy]
- RF: I have seen this stuff before ... URA and URC discussions on URI WG... I have no advice other than to say that they are doomed to failure
- 18:53:42 [ht]
- Mark Baker's point was that the bit that's left out of all the specs, he believes, is how you know to POST the SOAP message to the wsa:Address from the EPR
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- +TimBL
- 18:55:47 [Roy]
- URA http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2016.txt
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- ACTION: Noah to send this example to WSA experts and ask them to clarify and/or poke holes in it
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- Topic: Searchable content and semantic Web
- 18:58:39 [Roy]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Nov/0028.html
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- http://base.google.com/base/about.html
- 18:59:10 [ht]
- So I misunderstood google's own advertising of, http://www.google.com/base/a/15753386180997773819
- 19:00:05 [timbl]
- Labels are any keywords or phrases – such as recipe, event, or product – that can be used to classify or describe your item.
- 19:00:08 [timbl]
- Attributes are words or phrases that help describe the characteristics and qualities of your items. You may enter multiple values for a particular attribute separated by commas.
- 19:00:37 [Roy]
- HT: reading their blurb it seems like they are hosting, but they are really only hosting metadata and links
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- or gifs or jpgs
- 19:04:53 [Roy]
- RF: it is a mini-publishing system, with expiration times on items (max 31 days)
- 19:05:16 [Roy]
- RF: think classified ads
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- RF: I am having difficulty seeing why this is relevant to the TAG
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- NM: just an example of current technology use of the Web and metadata
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- VQ: Any more agenda items? [none]
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- Topic: next week's telecon
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- VQ: Is anyone else not available?
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- HT: on plane
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- VQ: on plane
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- VQ: I suggest we just skip the next telecon. Any objections? [none]
- 19:11:06 [ht]
- Tim, please have a quick look at http://www.w3.org/2005/Talks/1201-TAG-report/
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- VQ: next meeting at F2F at MIT
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- -TimBL
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- -Ed
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- -Norm
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- -Vincent
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- -Noah_Mendelsohn
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- If you can -- thanks
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- -DanC
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- ADJOURNED
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- -Ht
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- rrsagent, pointer?
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- See http://www.w3.org/2005/11/22-tagmem-irc#T19-11-35
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- rrsagent, make world-access
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'make world-access', Roy. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- rrsagent, make log world-access
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- -Roy
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- TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has ended
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- Attendees were +1.916.785.aaaa, Norm, DanC, Ht, Roy, Vincent, Ed, Noah_Mendelsohn, TimBL
- 19:12:38 [ht]
- roy, do you want the minutes script run?
- 19:13:07 [Roy]
- no
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- Then I won't tell you how to :-)
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- I prefer to do it myself after editing the log
- 19:13:35 [ht]
- understood
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- Cheers
- 19:13:45 [Roy]
- cheers
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