IRC log of tagmem on 2005-11-22

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TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has ended
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Attendees were +1.916.785.aaaa
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TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has now started
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+ +1.916.785.aaaa - is perhaps Ed_Rice?
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18:01:22 [ht]
zakim, please call ht-781
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ok, ht; the call is being made
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Zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see Ed_Rice?, Norm, DanC, Ht
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18:02:32 [Vincent]
Zakim, INRIA is Vincent
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+Vincent; got it
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ScribeNick: Roy
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Scribe: Roy Fielding
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Zakim, Ed_Rice? is Ed
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+Ed; got it
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zakim, take up 1
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I don't understand 'take up 1', Roy
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Topic: Administrative
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Next teleconference is 29 Nov
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possible regrets: Dan
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regrets: Vincent
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possible regrets: Tim, Henry
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ED: let's see if we can get through the F2F agenda today first
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VQ: any additions to agenda [none]
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VQ: Minutes of 8 November [thanks to Dan]
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VQ: any objection to approving the minutes [none]
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RESOLVED minutes of 8 November are approved
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RESOLVED: minutes of 8 November are approved
18:12:16 [ht]
18:13:17 [Roy]
Topic: TAG presentation at AC meeting
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HT: we have a 45 minute slot... I have prepared some slides (about 10 minutes) and then the rest of the session will be spent on discussion
18:14:26 [Norm]
IE bug?
18:15:02 [Roy]
... please review the slides.
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zakim, who is here?
18:15:51 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Ed, Norm, DanC, Ht, Vincent, Roy, Noah_Mendelsohn
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On IRC I see noah_toronto, RRSAgent, Ed, Roy, Vincent, Zakim, Norm, DanC, ht
18:16:02 [Roy]
VQ: we mentioned the issue of gathering educational material and, IIRC, someone requested that you ask AC reps to send information to us as part of slides
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HT: forgot, I will add that
18:16:24 [DanC]
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HT: Dan, do you have material to add?
18:16:44 [noah_toronto]
The dynamic version of the slides clips off the bottom if your font is set to large. In particular, the navigators disappear. Might this be an accessibility problem?
18:19:17 [Roy]
HT: the dynamic version is only for presentation during the event
18:21:22 [Roy]
RF: remember to update the TAG background slide before event
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NM: suggest something lighter than "Almost never!" for when is a new URI scheme justified.
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HT: I will try to put this to bed by Monday
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Topic: December F2F meeting at MIT
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NW: please add namespaceDocument-8 to the agenda
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NW: I hope to have a new draft done by then
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NW: most likely will be in attendance on Tuesday
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VQ: who is able to attend the F2F?
18:29:03 [Roy]
NM: We should postpone XMLVersioning-41 is Dave is unable to attend
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VQ: I will check with Dave
18:30:32 [noah_toronto]
Actually, I also mentioned that we might have a productive discussion of general issues around versioning, even without Dave, picking up for the whiteboard discussion in Edinburgh.
18:30:47 [noah]
18:30:50 [DanC]
"# RF to update Authoritative Metadata finding to include resolution of putMediaType-38" --
18:30:56 [Roy]
RF: I would like to add the mimerespect finding
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TAG issues contentTypeOverride-24, putMediaType-38, and portions of errorHandling-20
18:31:21 [noah]
I don't think we can do justice to a detailed review of Dave's versioning draft if he's not in the meeting.
18:31:46 [Roy]
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(will be updated before F2F)
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HT: I am working on some writing on thought pieces for issues ??
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VQ: please send me pointers to add to the agenda
18:34:21 [Roy]
VQ: please continue to review the agenda and send comments in the next few days via email or at the AC meeting
18:35:17 [Roy]
VQ: how about timing? 9-5 each day?
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RF: I will need to leave earlier on Tuesday to catch 5:20pm flight at BOS
18:36:26 [DanC]
I'd like to accept the dinner invitation, Noah. (remind me which day? monday 5 Dec?)
18:37:04 [Roy]
NM: please send ack to indicate if you plan on attending monday dinner hosted by IBM
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Topic: Issue endPointRefs-47
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HT: background on this is from our discussion at Edinburgh F2F, when I was surprised to find a lack of examples at W3C.
18:40:52 [Roy]
HT: found an example in the Apache WSRF toolkit
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HT: example was too detailed, so I trimmed it down and changed the domain -- validated the example to be sure it would run
18:43:17 [noah]
q+ to ask more about where EPRs come from
18:44:42 [Vincent]
ack noah
18:44:42 [Zakim]
noah, you wanted to ask more about where EPRs come from
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HT: Mark Baker commented that somewhere you have to know that the wsa:To is set
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18:47:27 [Vincent]
ack ht
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NM: as I understand it, typical use of EPR is more like a cookie and is related to reply-to style of functionality, where the WSDL is no longer needed for the headers
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HT: need WSDL to determine what the service needs for the body
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HT: the EPR is effectively used as a URI
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NM: we need to ask the experts what they are doing do get a clearer picture
18:50:57 [noah]
I think the specific question is: specifically in the WSRF case, to what extent will EPRs be used only in a cookie-like scenario, where they are minted by the resource owner, and to what extent will clients mint their own.
18:51:07 [DanC]
URCs... heh... meanwhile, RDF/OWL descriptions are pretty much the same thing
18:51:27 [noah]
The spec seems to invite anyone to create their own, but some of the "experts" I've spoken to suggest that this is not currently the intended use case.
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RF: I have seen this stuff before ... URA and URC discussions on URI WG... I have no advice other than to say that they are doomed to failure
18:53:42 [ht]
Mark Baker's point was that the bit that's left out of all the specs, he believes, is how you know to POST the SOAP message to the wsa:Address from the EPR
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ACTION: Noah to send this example to WSA experts and ask them to clarify and/or poke holes in it
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Topic: Searchable content and semantic Web
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18:59:10 [ht]
So I misunderstood google's own advertising of,
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Labels are any keywords or phrases – such as recipe, event, or product – that can be used to classify or describe your item.
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Attributes are words or phrases that help describe the characteristics and qualities of your items. You may enter multiple values for a particular attribute separated by commas.
19:00:37 [Roy]
HT: reading their blurb it seems like they are hosting, but they are really only hosting metadata and links
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or gifs or jpgs
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RF: it is a mini-publishing system, with expiration times on items (max 31 days)
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RF: think classified ads
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RF: I am having difficulty seeing why this is relevant to the TAG
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NM: just an example of current technology use of the Web and metadata
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VQ: Any more agenda items? [none]
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Topic: next week's telecon
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VQ: Is anyone else not available?
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HT: on plane
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VQ: on plane
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VQ: I suggest we just skip the next telecon. Any objections? [none]
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Tim, please have a quick look at
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VQ: next meeting at F2F at MIT
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19:11:19 [ht]
If you can -- thanks
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rrsagent, pointer?
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rrsagent, make world-access
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make world-access', Roy. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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rrsagent, make log world-access
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TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has ended
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Attendees were +1.916.785.aaaa, Norm, DanC, Ht, Roy, Vincent, Ed, Noah_Mendelsohn, TimBL
19:12:38 [ht]
roy, do you want the minutes script run?
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Then I won't tell you how to :-)
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I prefer to do it myself after editing the log
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