IRC log of dawg on 2005-11-22
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/11/22-dawg-irc
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- meeting: Data Access Working Group
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- Scribe: KendallC
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- Chair: DanC
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- andy, want to start up early and chat a bit?
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- zakim, please dial ericP-617.2
- 14:26:22 [Zakim]
- ok, ericP; the call is being made
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- SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started
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- +EricP
- 14:28:17 [DanC]
- Zakim, take up item 1
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- I see nothing on the agenda
- 14:28:29 [DanC]
- agenda + Convene, take roll, review records and agenda http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/weekly-agenda
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- +??P3
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- agenda + QL Conformance
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- agenda + issues#punctuationSyntax (decimal/double)
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- -??P3
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- agenda + toward SPARQL QL updated WD
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- agenda + issues#wsdlAbstractProtocol
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- agenda + Security Considerations
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- agenda + issues#rdfSemantics
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- agenda + comment: SPARQL Results Format and Unbound Variables
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- agenda + Toward CR
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- +Elias_Torres
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- agenda + protocol testing update
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- agenda + test suite maintenance
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- +Andy_Seaborne
- 14:30:42 [DanC]
- Regrets+ Souripriya Das
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- +DanC
- 14:31:35 [DanC]
- the 4 level headings are a pain, IMO. how about promoting some stuff so there are only 4 levels, ericp?
- 14:32:02 [AndyS]
- Partial regrets: AndyS here until 15:00Z only
- 14:32:12 [DanC]
- Zakim, who's talking?
- 14:32:23 [Zakim]
- DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Andy_Seaborne (66%), EricP (42%)
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- +Kendall_Clark
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- 14:33:11 [DanC]
- Zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/weekly-agenda" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:33:42 [DanC]
- agenda + plain literals and xsd:strings
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- +PatH
- 14:33:52 [JanneS]
- I'm trying to call in - problems with skype (again). I'll be muted most of the time due to baby-sitting I have to do in parallel.
- 14:33:55 [DanC]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0229.html minutes 15 Nov
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- ammendment: Souripriya Das was there
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- -EricP
- 14:34:33 [ericP]
- hey!
- 14:34:38 [ericP]
- zakim, please dial ericP-617.2
- 14:34:38 [Zakim]
- ok, ericP; the call is being made
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- +EricP
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- i was using that phone...
- 14:36:01 [DanC]
- RESOLVED to approve minutes 15 Nov, noting older actions might be missing
- 14:36:21 [DanC]
- regrets: Jeen Broekstra, Steve Harris, Lee Feigenbaum, Libby Miller, Enrico Franconi
- 14:36:30 [kendallclark]
- FWIW, I would have sent regrets if not for scribing. :>
- 14:36:30 [DanC]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:36:30 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see EricP, Elias_Torres, Andy_Seaborne, DanC, Kendall_Clark, PatH
- 14:36:42 [kendallclark]
- not feeling well
- 14:37:41 [DanC]
- "29 Nov conflicts with a W3C staff meeting where DanC and EricP are expected; cancel?"
- 14:38:02 [DanC]
- RESOLVED: to cancel 29 Nov.
- 14:38:14 [DanC]
- 6 Dec conflicts with a TAG meeting; EricP to chair? scribe volunteer?
- 14:38:16 [kendallclark]
- 6 Dec conflicts with TAG meeting
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- EricP chairing
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- EliasT to scribe (with KC backing)
- 14:38:57 [DanC]
- RESOLVED: to meet next 6 Dec; ericp to chair; regrets DanC; Elias to scribe (or find scribe)
- 14:39:18 [DanC]
- Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/weekly-agenda
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- (hmm... should archive a text copy)
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "QL Conformance" taken up [from DanC]
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- . http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#conformance
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- . http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#conformanceB with "successful"
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- +[IPcaller]
- 14:40:24 [JanneS]
- Zakim, IPcaller is JanneS
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- +JanneS; got it
- 14:42:52 [kendallclark]
- I'm happy leaving that to various language communities, say.
- 14:43:17 [kendallclark]
- EricP prefers to mention APIs (in the protocol spec, presumably)
- 14:43:46 [kendallclark]
- Not mentioning API conformance doesn't help anyone, according to EricP
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- +Jos_De_Roo
- 14:44:14 [DanC]
- perhaps: Note that the SPARQL protocol describes an abstract interface as well as a network protocol, and the abstract interface may apply to APIs as well as network interfaces.
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- 14:50:53 [AndyS]
- Conformance for SPARQL/Q = all of the doc ? DanC's text just moves that to via the protocol. Eric's use of "successful" really applies to a query *request* because it says "processed"
- 14:52:44 [kendallclark]
- can we move past what Eric wrote?
- 14:58:00 [DanC]
- replay:
- 14:58:01 [DanC]
- perhaps: Note that the SPARQL protocol describes an abstract interface as well as a network protocol, and the abstract interface may apply to APIs as well as network interfaces.
- 14:59:34 [kendallclark]
- (Late arriving regrets from YoshioF)
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- ... apply to APIs or software modules ...
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- -Andy_Seaborne
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- hasta, AndyS
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "issues#punctuationSyntax (decimal/double)" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:04:33 [DanC]
- ACTION: DanC to ask DaveB about turtle (in progress; almost done) [CONTINUES].
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- ACTION: AndyS to update rq23 to reflect double => decimal progress/done. test impact? [continues]
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- -JanneS
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 4. "toward SPARQL QL updated WD" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:07:53 [kendallclark]
- Going to webmaster today or tomorrow
- 15:08:58 [DanC]
- ACTION EricP: solicit review of SPARQL mime type(s) in ietf-types, esp after next QL pub
- 15:09:06 [ericP]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/06/registering-mediatype
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- [[
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- When doing the W3C Last Call announcement: Send an email to the mailing list ietf-types@iana.org asking for comments on the Media Type section of your specification:
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- ]]
- 15:09:55 [DanC]
- ugh... should say "at or before"
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 5. "issues#wsdlAbstractProtocol" taken up [from DanC]
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- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Nov/0041 Double binding of a WSDL 2.0 operation
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- [[
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- The suggested work-round is to provide two separate HTTP bindings,
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- and therefore two separate endpoints, one for each HTTP method.]
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- ]]
- 15:15:38 [DanC]
- (don't expect The Director to do technical review, btw; The Director's job is to assess consensus once the community has done technical review.)
- 15:16:18 [DanC]
- DONE: ACTION: DanC to notifty DAWG of WSDL response to our WSDL comments.
- 15:16:36 [DanC]
- ACTION: KendallC to propose revised WSDL descripton of SPARQL protocol [CONTINUES]
- 15:16:51 [DanC]
- ACTION KC: review sparql-types for xs:any weirdness, w.r.t. WSDL 2.0 constraints [CONTINUES]
- 15:17:10 [DanC]
- ACTION: KendallC to remove uses of "my" in URIs in protocol spec
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- -- continues
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 6. "Security Considerations" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:18:22 [DanC]
- ACTION: KendallC to add a modified version of http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#security to protocol editor's draft, as well as a pointer to the section in rq23 itself [continues]
- 15:19:28 [DanC]
- ACTION EricP: coordinate W3C staff input on privacy section
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 7. "issues#rdfSemantics" taken up [from DanC]
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- ACTION: PatH to review The Semantics of SPARQL [done]
- 15:20:39 [DanC]
- ACTION: PatH to sketch tests that characterize impact of semantics work
- 15:21:54 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#rdfSemantics
- 15:22:02 [kendallclark]
- Which is super helpful of him, ;>
- 15:22:18 [DanC]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Sep/0036 pfps's comment, including test case sketch
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- PatH will tell us how that test works
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 8. "comment: SPARQL Results Format and Unbound Variables" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:24:15 [kendallclark]
- there's no normal xml!
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- -Elias_Torres
- 15:32:05 [kendallclark]
- i think it's in 3 weeks, dan :>
- 15:32:40 [DanC]
- ADJOURN.
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- ADJOURNED
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- -Jos_De_Roo
- 15:32:55 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/11/22-dawg-minutes.html DanC
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- RRSAgent, make logs world-access
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- -PatH
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- -Kendall_Clark
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- 15:38:00 [LeeF]
- Good day, gentlemen.
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- 15:38:14 [patH]
- Bye, all.
- 15:44:55 [AndyS]
- Re: Decimal/Double - what was concluded about the tests? Were they approved? Can I change them?
- 15:57:23 [ericP]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/11/XQueryTour/
- 15:58:30 [ericP]
- Each item in the atomic sequence that is of type xdt:untypedAtomic is cast to the expected atomic type. For built-in functions where the expected type is specified as numeric, arguments of type xdt:untypedAtomic are cast to xs:double.
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- [[ Arithmetic Expressions
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- #
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- If the atomized operand is of type xdt:untypedAtomic, it is cast to xs:double. If the cast fails, a dynamic error is raised. [err:FORG0001]
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- ]]
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- [[ 3.5.1 Value Comparisons
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- 4. If the atomized operand is of type xdt:untypedAtomic, it is cast to xs:string.
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- ]]
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- [[ 3.5.2 General Comparisons
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- ... lots...
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- ]]
- 16:09:18 [AndyS]
- Re: RIF and CONSTRUCt * opt 3:
- 16:09:43 [AndyS]
- I don't see RIF doing a dataset serialization format so I didn't understand the argument.
- 16:10:19 [AndyS]
- Opt 3 actaully requires quite a lot of tinkering with CONSTRUCT templates - yuk.
- 16:11:35 [ericP]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/11/XQueryTour/
- 16:13:39 [AndyS]
- xdt:untypedAtomic != xsd:string RDf core decided plain literals were strings and added the D-entailment.
- 16:16:28 [ericP]
- oof, interesting point
- 16:22:52 [AndyS]
- Re; CONSTRUCT
- 16:23:16 [AndyS]
- YOu say "if we include a graph ..." - don't grok - we already include a graph.
- 16:23:58 [ericP]
- 2005-10-11T15:48:08Z <DanC> POLL: on return from datatype("abc"): (a) type error (b) either type error or xsd:string (c) sparql:pla\
- 16:24:01 [ericP]
- in (d) "" (e) always xsd:string
- 16:26:36 [DanC]
- <li>clarified that "abc" is not in the domain of datatype("abc")</li>
- 16:26:45 [DanC]
- <li>clarified that "abc" is not in the domain of datatype()</li>
- 16:27:56 [DanC]
- revised Query Term Syntax details regarding redefined namespace prefixes (@@change or clarification? relevant tests?)
- 16:32:20 [ericP]
- A prefix binding applies to any QNames in the query with that prefix; a prefix may be defined only once.
- 16:34:29 [DanC]
- <p class="issue">@@note constraint on prefix redeclaration</p>
- 16:34:47 [ericP]
- QTSynIRI
- 16:35:29 [ericP]
- <a href="#QTSynIRI">prefix redeclaration</a>
- 16:36:02 [DanC]
- <p class="issue">@@note constraint on prefix redeclaration from <a href="#QTSynIRI">Syntax of IRI Terms</a></p>
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- -DanC
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- -EricP
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- SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
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- Attendees were EricP, Elias_Torres, Andy_Seaborne, DanC, Kendall_Clark, PatH, JanneS, Jos_De_Roo
- 16:43:16 [DanC]
- oh, eric, you copied my poor-man's hypertext rather literally:
- 16:43:18 [DanC]
- See appendix A grammar regarding conformance of _SPARQL Query strings_
- 16:43:33 [DanC]
- feel free to make those into real hyperlinks before publication
- 16:53:14 [ericP]
- DanC, roger
- 16:53:37 [ericP]
- i got one link op, i think, but was distracted when composing
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