IRC log of wai-wcag on 2005-11-17

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21:05:57 [wendy]
RRSAGent, make logs world
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+??P15
21:06:01 [Gez]
zakim, mute me
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sorry, Gez, I do not see a party named 'Gez'
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+Don_Evans
21:06:22 [wendy]
zakim, ??P15 is Gez
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+Gez; got it
21:06:28 [Gez]
zakim, mute me
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Gez should now be muted
21:06:37 [wendy]
agenda?
21:06:40 [rellero]
zakim, mute me
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rellero should now be muted
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-rellero
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+??P1
21:07:50 [David]
scribe: David_MacDonald
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+??P18
21:08:15 [rellero]
zakim, ??P18 is rellero
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+rellero; got it
21:08:24 [wendy]
zakim, who's on the phone?
21:08:24 [Zakim]
On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Sofia_Celic, Yvette_Hoitink (muted), Bengt_Farre (muted), Alex_Li, Gregg_and_Ben, Wendy,
21:08:28 [Zakim]
... Christophe_Strobbe, lmascaro (muted), Michael_Cooper (muted), Gez (muted), Don_Evans, ??P1, rellero
21:08:34 [wendy]
we need to identify ??p1
21:08:34 [Yvette]
zakim, mute me
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Yvette_Hoitink was already muted, Yvette
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kerstin - are you on the phone?
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zakim, ??P1 may be kerstin
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+kerstin?; got it
21:09:00 [Kesh]
Yes, I am on the phone
21:09:23 [wendy]
ok. thx.
21:10:08 [wendy]
Topic: baseline
21:10:28 [rellero]
zakim, mute me
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rellero should now be muted
21:10:58 [wendy]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/att-0507/baseline_overview_draft_editsCS.html
21:16:37 [David]
q+
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ack David
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ack k
21:33:49 [David]
resolution: Draft Baseline explanation document is unanimously accepted for release with the next draft...
21:35:37 [David]
Resolution: New intro accepted for release in the newxt draft unanimously...
21:36:18 [David]
resolution: part 2 in the UAAG definition of UAAG unanimously accepted
21:36:31 [Gez]
q+
21:36:47 [Gez]
zakim, unmute me
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Gez should no longer be muted
21:36:51 [David]
s/of UAAG/ of User Agent
21:37:05 [wendy]
Topic: guide doc for 4.1 l1 sc1
21:37:29 [wendy]
http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Proposed_Guide_to_4.1_L1_SC1
21:37:46 [Michael]
q+
21:38:21 [wendy]
q+
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ack gez
21:39:11 [Michael]
zakim, unmute me
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Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
21:42:52 [Sofia]
Note that most of the documents referred to in today's agenda were posted overnight for Australia, giving us Aussies no chance to read them.
21:43:41 [Gez]
q+
21:44:14 [wendy]
ack mi
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ack we
21:47:46 [ben]
ack Gez
21:47:48 [ben]
ack Kate
21:47:53 [ben]
ack Katie
21:47:56 [wendy]
q+ to say, "delivery units can be parsed unambiguously and the relationships in the resulting data structure are also unambiguous"
21:49:14 [wendy]
ack wendy
21:49:14 [Zakim]
wendy, you wanted to say, "delivery units can be parsed unambiguously and the relationships in the resulting data structure are also unambiguous"
21:49:46 [Michael]
q+ to say I can live with that
21:50:03 [Michael]
zakim, unmute me
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Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
21:50:08 [wendy]
ack mi
21:50:08 [Zakim]
Michael, you wanted to say I can live with that
21:53:14 [Zakim]
-lmascaro
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-Don_Evans
21:54:01 [Gez]
zakim, mute me
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Gez should now be muted
21:54:06 [David]
Resolution: accept unanimously wendy's rewording SC 4.1.1 "delivery units can be parsed unambiguously and the relationships in the resulting data structure are also unambiguous"
21:55:03 [Christophe]
q+
21:55:47 [David]
Resoution: to remove "and attibutes" from the Sufficient technique from HTML - unanimous
21:56:51 [David]
Resolution: to remove "and attibutes" from the Sufficient technique from HTML - unanimous
21:57:02 [Christophe]
s/Resoution/Resolution
21:58:34 [David]
Resolution: ensuring that the delivery unit is well-formed AND that unique ids are specified adopted
21:59:18 [David]
resolution: ensuring that the delivery unit is well-formed AND ensuring that unique ids are specified
21:59:37 [wendy]
ensuring that unique ids are specified AND that opening and closing tags of all elements can be parsed unambiguously.
22:01:17 [Gez]
zakim, unmute me
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Gez should no longer be muted
22:01:33 [Gez]
zakim, mute me
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Gez should now be muted
22:02:19 [David]
resolution: accept guide for 4.1 (consensus) 1 abstention
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Topic: naming of the documents
22:07:25 [David]
Topic 1.4 L2 SC2
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Topic: 1.4 L2 SC2
22:07:57 [Christophe]
q-
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resolution: adopt guide to 1.4 L2 SC2 unanimous
22:10:14 [Christophe]
q+ to say "Didn't we want to avoid 'user can' language?"
22:10:28 [David]
Topic: SC 2.2 L2SC3 definition
22:10:49 [Christophe]
q-
22:11:18 [gregg]
/me Interruptions, such as updated content, can be postponed or suppressed by the user, except those involving an emergency.
22:11:18 [gregg]
Key terms
22:11:18 [gregg]
emergency
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a sudden, unexpected situation or occurrence that requires immediate action to preserve health, safety or property
22:12:02 [David]
resolution: adopt Topic 1.4 L2 SC2 " Interruptions, such as updated content, can be postponed or suppressed by the user, except those involving an emergency." and "definition of emergency, a sudden, unexpected situation or occurrence that requires immediate action to preserve health, safety or property "
22:16:53 [David]
resolution: add "Do not use the same words or letter combinations to begin each item of the list" as an optional technique under GL. 1.1.1 unanimous
22:18:20 [David]
s/1.1.1/2.1.1
22:18:20 [gregg]
RESOLUTION:The working group is considering adding the following note to the conformance section to differentiate Web Content from standard stand alone software and other products that are downloaded over the Internet and not used via a user agent. "Note: If data, software or other materials are downloaded over the internet but are not used via a user agent then they are not considered Web content and are not covered by these guidelines.
22:19:25 [wendy]
q+ to say success criterion instead of provisions
22:19:27 [David]
Resolution: adopt unanimously the following: "The working group is considering adding the following note to the conformance section to differentiate Web Content from standard stand alone software and other products that are downloaded over the Internet and not used via a user agent. "Note: If data, software or other materials are downloaded over the internet but are not used via a user agent then they are not considered Web content and are not covered by
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-Bengt_Farre
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q-
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ack Kat
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s/pages/content and /sites/content
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resolution: adopt unanimously the following..."EDITORIAL NOTE: The working group is looking at AAA conformance as being an indication that content goes beyond AA conformance in a major way but do no necessarily require conformance to all level 3 success criteria. Some Level 3 success criteria cannot be applied to all web content and some are not necessary in certain circumstances. We are considering different criteria for claiming AAA conformance. Commen
22:25:17 [Christophe]
s/ conformance. Commen/ conformance. Comments and suggestions are invited./
22:25:32 [Zakim]
-rellero
22:27:47 [Yvette]
zakim, unmute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
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-Katie_Haritos-Shea
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-Sofia_Celic
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-Michael_Cooper
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-Alex_Li
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-Gez
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-Wendy
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-Christophe_Strobbe
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-kerstin?
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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-Yvette_Hoitink
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-David_MacDonald
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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Gez_Lemon, David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sofia_Celic, Yvette_Hoitink, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li, Wendy, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_and_Ben, lmascaro,
22:28:55 [Zakim]
... Katie_Haritos-Shea, Michael_Cooper, rellero, Don_Evans, Gez, kerstin?
22:30:36 [ben]
RRSAgent, make log world
22:30:42 [ben]
RRSAgent, please generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/11/17-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben
22:31:04 [Christophe]
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22:31:31 [wendy]
chair: gregg
22:31:38 [wendy]
meeting: WCAG WG weekly telecon
22:32:31 [wendy]
Present: Gez_Lemon, David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sofia_Celic, Yvette_Hoitink, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li, Wendy Chisholm, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg Vanderheiden, Ben Caldwell, luca mascaro, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Michael_Cooper, roberto ellero, Don_Evans, kerstin goldsmith
22:33:25 [wendy]
Regrets: John Slatin, Roberto Scano, Andi Snow-Weaver, WATANABE Takayuki, Sebastiano Nutarelli, Roberto Castaldo
22:33:34 [wendy]
RRSAgent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/11/17-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
22:33:46 [wendy]
zakim, bye
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22:34:11 [wendy]
RRSAgent, bye
22:34:11 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items