IRC log of ua on 2005-11-17

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Hi Jim
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Hi Jan
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waiting for Cathy
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ok I'm calling in now.
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JA: Some notice from Al Gilman for CL's changes.
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action JA : Ask Al about next steps for chart.
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JA: Maybe put in another column? Actually leace it up to PF to decide what to do with UAAG comments.
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CL: CL had made comments to Rich months ago.
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CL: Public roadmap included some bad links.
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3. Building test cases for the Roadmap. Discussion. Are they needed?
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JA: Feeling that they are needed...but is it too soon?
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CL: Some links go to test cases....also we may be missing test cases for some.
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JA: Right.
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CL: For Value_change there may be a couple of simplate examples but nothing with Javascript etc.
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zakim, simlate=simple
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I don't understand 'simlate=simple', JR
19:11:36 [JR]
UAAG requires notification of value change events.
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JA: But there is some nuance - many non-meaningful changes.
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CL: THey want it as an option.
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JA: Seems we need deeper level tests - but not sure we are ones to develop.
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JA: Our tests are just HTML, not very much Jaascript.
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CL: There is one that contains some colour change.
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JA: DOM event things are getting dicey. Critical when hauling in roles etc.
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CL: Doing lots of work to bring these to Accessibility API from the DOM level.'
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CL: Shouldn't get roles and events (e.g. value change) mixed together
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JA: Was remembering that XHTML 2.0 roles can be pulled in and affects how ua's render certain things.
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CL: Applies to XHTML 1.0 stuff as well.
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with link, rel, etc.
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JA: Will talk to Al about making more tests and then put these in the ua test suite.
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JA: PF probably needs to write them.
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CL: Other areas or roadmap to evaluate?
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CL: Later in the doc are refs to two other docs, one on role taxonomies, the other on ???
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Actually three: WAI States and Adaptable Properties Module , WAI Role Taxonomy for Accessible Adaptable Applications , XHTML2 Specificaton (includes XForms)
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CL: For linux access we looked at Role taxoonomy to see if they all existed in the API and then enlarged the API to cover these roles.
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CL: Some roles might be redundant or unnecessary.
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eg. in UAAG it says you must be able to nav directly to certain places, but in the taxonomy things get VERY specific.
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JA: Widget roles are less controversial.
19:27:09 [JR]
JA: Let's start with strctural codes.
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(URL for Role Properties in the taxonomy)
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CL: Will said all initial comments on this doc to the list.
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CL: Then will take another look from the UAAG perspective.
19:37:30 [JR]
CL: The idea behind this is that containers (e.g. spreadhseet, tree stuructures) weren't well defined - there are 10 or so predfined roles - but may have gone too far,
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(in XHTML 2.0)
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But his current document has even more.
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pages, sections, etc.
19:39:01 [JR]
In firefox access tree goes right through the application into the content so there needs to ba a document boundary.
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"Presentational" is controverisal because some say its a style not a role.
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CL: We can really help them with theri role defs
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CL: I confusing thing is grid vs. table.
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CL: Thinks of grids as generic term for tables, spreadsheets, etc.
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CL: But clear def is very important for these terms.
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JA: Shall we add a UA comments column to the structual role table?
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CL: We need to comment.
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CL: Don't think UAAG has spent much time on layout vs. data table.
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CL: WCAG does spend time on it.
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JA: Working on this is a very useful next step.
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Action CL: send comments on taxonomy
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JR: Related to UAAG 9.9?
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CL: Maybe as technique.
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CL: Mayve also provide an index of important sturctures.
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Attendees were Jim_Allan, Jan_Richards, [IBM], +1.416.946.aaaa
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zakim, list particpants
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I don't understand 'list particpants', jallan
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zakim, list attendees
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sorry, jallan, I don't know what conference this is
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zakim, bye
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ACTION: JA to Ask Al about next steps for chart. [1]
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ACTION: CL to send comments on taxonomy [2]
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