18:51:24 RRSAgent has joined #ua 18:51:24 logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/11/17-ua-irc 18:55:58 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started 18:56:05 +Jim_Allan 18:59:09 JR has joined #ua 18:59:19 Hi Jim 18:59:31 Hi Jan 18:59:38 waiting for Cathy 18:59:50 ok I'm calling in now. 19:00:32 +Jan_Richards 19:01:14 +[IBM] 19:01:48 cklaws has joined #ua 19:02:15 JA: Some notice from Al Gilman for CL's changes. 19:02:37 action JA : Ask Al about next steps for chart. 19:03:36 -Jan_Richards 19:03:47 + +1.416.946.aaaa 19:04:44 http://www.tsbvi.edu/technology/uawg/roadmap.htm 19:05:32 JA: Maybe put in another column? Actually leace it up to PF to decide what to do with UAAG comments. 19:05:56 CL: CL had made comments to Rich months ago. 19:06:42 CL: Public roadmap included some bad links. 19:07:10 3. Building test cases for the Roadmap. Discussion. Are they needed? 19:07:33 JA: Feeling that they are needed...but is it too soon? 19:07:54 CL: Some links go to test cases....also we may be missing test cases for some. 19:08:31 JA: Right. 19:09:02 CL: For Value_change there may be a couple of simplate examples but nothing with Javascript etc. 19:09:52 zakim, simlate=simple 19:09:52 I don't understand 'simlate=simple', JR 19:11:36 UAAG requires notification of value change events. 19:12:12 JA: But there is some nuance - many non-meaningful changes. 19:12:29 CL: THey want it as an option. 19:13:04 JA: Seems we need deeper level tests - but not sure we are ones to develop. 19:13:23 JA: Our tests are just HTML, not very much Jaascript. 19:13:49 CL: There is one that contains some colour change. 19:14:25 JA: DOM event things are getting dicey. Critical when hauling in roles etc. 19:14:47 CL: Doing lots of work to bring these to Accessibility API from the DOM level.' 19:16:49 CL: Shouldn't get roles and events (e.g. value change) mixed together 19:18:08 JA: Was remembering that XHTML 2.0 roles can be pulled in and affects how ua's render certain things. 19:18:22 CL: Applies to XHTML 1.0 stuff as well. 19:18:45 with link, rel, etc. 19:19:29 JA: Will talk to Al about making more tests and then put these in the ua test suite. 19:20:08 JA: PF probably needs to write them. 19:20:19 CL: Other areas or roadmap to evaluate? 19:22:09 CL: Later in the doc are refs to two other docs, one on role taxonomies, the other on ??? 19:23:01 Actually three: WAI States and Adaptable Properties Module , WAI Role Taxonomy for Accessible Adaptable Applications , XHTML2 Specificaton (includes XForms) 19:23:52 CL: For linux access we looked at Role taxoonomy to see if they all existed in the API and then enlarged the API to cover these roles. 19:24:34 CL: Some roles might be redundant or unnecessary. 19:25:40 eg. in UAAG it says you must be able to nav directly to certain places, but in the taxonomy things get VERY specific. 19:26:10 JA: Widget roles are less controversial. 19:27:09 JA: Let's start with strctural codes. 19:27:58 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/GUI/roleTaxonomy-20051106.html#Properties 19:28:18 (URL for Role Properties in the taxonomy) 19:29:01 CL: Will said all initial comments on this doc to the list. 19:29:05 said=send 19:29:21 CL: Then will take another look from the UAAG perspective. 19:37:30 CL: The idea behind this is that containers (e.g. spreadhseet, tree stuructures) weren't well defined - there are 10 or so predfined roles - but may have gone too far, 19:37:48 (in XHTML 2.0) 19:37:59 But his current document has even more. 19:38:26 pages, sections, etc. 19:39:01 In firefox access tree goes right through the application into the content so there needs to ba a document boundary. 19:39:58 "Presentational" is controverisal because some say its a style not a role. 19:44:08 CL: We can really help them with theri role defs 19:44:21 CL: I confusing thing is grid vs. table. 19:44:44 CL: Thinks of grids as generic term for tables, spreadsheets, etc. 19:45:03 CL: But clear def is very important for these terms. 19:48:50 JA: Shall we add a UA comments column to the structual role table? 19:48:58 CL: We need to comment. 19:49:39 CL: Don't think UAAG has spent much time on layout vs. data table. 19:49:48 CL: WCAG does spend time on it. 19:51:38 JA: Working on this is a very useful next step. 19:51:57 Action CL: send comments on taxonomy 19:54:26 JR: Related to UAAG 9.9? 19:54:49 CL: Maybe as technique. 19:55:05 CL: Mayve also provide an index of important sturctures. 19:56:52 - +1.416.946.aaaa 19:56:55 -[IBM] 19:56:56 -Jim_Allan 19:56:56 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended 19:56:57 Attendees were Jim_Allan, Jan_Richards, [IBM], +1.416.946.aaaa 20:03:51 zakim, list particpants 20:03:51 I don't understand 'list particpants', jallan 20:04:17 zakim, list attendees 20:04:17 sorry, jallan, I don't know what conference this is 20:05:36 zakim, bye 20:05:36 Zakim has left #ua 20:07:59 rrsagent, set logs world-visible 20:08:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 20:08:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/11/17-ua-minutes.html jallan 20:09:43 rrsagent, bye 20:09:43 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/17-ua-actions.rdf : 20:09:43 ACTION: JA to Ask Al about next steps for chart. [1] 20:09:43 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/17-ua-irc#T19-02-37 20:09:43 ACTION: CL to send comments on taxonomy [2] 20:09:43 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/17-ua-irc#T19-51-57