IRC log of dawg on 2005-11-15

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14:31:02 [RRSAgent]

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/11/15-dawg-irc

14:31:02 [kendallclark]

including me :>

14:31:07 [DanC_lap]

agenda + convene (or cancel), take roll, review records and agenda

14:31:14 [Zakim]

+Guus_Schreiber

14:31:27 [kendallclark]

I think there were at least 3 sparql talks proposed, and the one they accepted seemed odd (to be the only one, I mean)

14:31:38 [Zakim]

+[IBMCambridge]

14:31:44 [LeeF]

Zakim, [IBMCambridge] is LeeF

14:31:44 [Zakim]

+LeeF; got it

14:32:26 [jeen]

Zakim, Guus_Schreiber is JeenB

14:32:26 [Zakim]

+JeenB; got it

14:32:51 [DanC_lap]

agenda + toward updated SPARQL QL WD

14:32:59 [DanC_lap]

agenda + issues#rdfSemantics

14:33:08 [DanC_lap]

agenda + decimal vs float for 0.3

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14:33:23 [DanC_lap]

agenda + decimal vs float for 0.3 (DATATYPE test case thread)

14:33:26 [DanC_lap]

phpht

14:33:31 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:33:36 [afs_]

me having wireless iffy-ness

14:33:45 [DanC_lap]

agenda 5 = issues#valueTesting (DATATYPE test case thread)

14:34:14 [Zakim]

+[IBMCambridge]

14:34:14 [DanC_lap]

zakim, take up item 1

14:34:15 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "convene (or cancel), take roll, review records and agenda" taken up [from DanC_lap]

14:34:21 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:34:21 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, AndyS, Libby_Miller, JeenB, LeeF, EricP, [IBMCambridge]

14:35:06 [DanC_lap]

Jeen, is protocol testing update worth time on the agenda?

14:35:36 [EliasT]

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14:35:38 [jeen]

not really, virtually no progress on that, unfortunately.

14:35:51 [EliasT]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:35:51 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, AndyS, Libby_Miller, JeenB, LeeF, EricP, [IBMCambridge]

14:35:58 [EliasT]

Zakim, IBMCambridge is EliasT

14:35:58 [Zakim]

+EliasT; got it

14:36:19 [SteveH]

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14:36:30 [DanC_lap]

checking calendar, we've got to decide today if we're going to publish before the AC meeting. hmm.

14:37:04 [ericP]

ericP has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0223

14:37:19 [ericP]

ericP has changed the topic to: DAWG meeting, agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0223

14:37:40 [ericP]

RRSAgent, you here?

14:37:40 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'you here'

14:37:51 [ericP]

Meeting: DAWG

14:38:17 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:38:26 [SteveH]

Zakim, IPcaller is SteveH

14:38:26 [Zakim]

+SteveH; got it

14:38:27 [ericP]

Scribe: EliasT

14:38:28 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, passcode?

14:38:28 [Zakim]

the conference code is 7333 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), DanC_lap

14:38:41 [Zakim]

+PatH

14:38:43 [kendallclark]

Hey, "they" misspelled my name for a year ;>

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14:39:10 [ericP]

last meeting minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0193.html

14:39:29 [ericP]

as amended by http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0198.html

14:39:43 [Zakim]

+ +1.404.659.aaaa

14:39:51 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, aaaa is DanC

14:39:51 [Zakim]

+DanC; got it

14:39:59 [ericP]

PROPOSED: accept http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0193 and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0198 as a true record

14:40:08 [ericP]

APPROVED

14:40:56 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:40:56 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, AndyS, Libby_Miller, JeenB, LeeF, EricP, EliasT, SteveH, PatH, DanC

14:41:11 [ericP]

next meeting: 22 november

14:41:18 [DanC_lap]

partial regrets andys for 22 nov

14:41:22 [ericP]

next meeting scribe: KendallC

14:41:36 [patH]

Today I need to leave in about an hour from now.

14:41:54 [SteveH]

i have probably regrests for next week, il be at wise2005

14:42:35 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, take up item decimal

14:42:35 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "decimal vs float for 0.3" taken up [from DanC_lap]

14:43:52 [Zakim]

-SteveH

14:44:23 [Zakim]

+??P9

14:44:30 [JanneS]

Zakim, P9 is JanneS

14:44:30 [Zakim]

sorry, JanneS, I do not recognize a party named 'P9'

14:44:37 [JanneS]

Zakim, ??P9 is JanneS

14:44:37 [Zakim]

+JanneS; got it

14:45:09 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:45:18 [SteveH]

Zakim, IPcaller is SteveH

14:45:18 [Zakim]

+SteveH; got it

14:46:02 [ericP]

http://unagi/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#QTSynLiterals

14:46:43 [ericP]

[[

14:46:45 [ericP]

floating point numbers can also be directly written and are interpreted as xsd:double.

14:46:48 [ericP]

]]

14:47:03 [EliasT]

Most are in favor of decimal as opposed to float. There were no objections for decimal.

14:49:26 [EliasT]

SteveH: points out that Turtle uses float.

14:49:34 [SteveH]

double

14:50:12 [ericP]

PROPOSED: change dataytpe for SPARQL floating point numerics to xsd:decimal contingent on a similar change in Turtle.

14:50:26 [DanC_lap]

in particular, Beckett's agreement

14:50:33 [ericP]

APPROVED -- no objections, no abstentions

14:50:58 [DanC_lap]

ACTION DanC: ask DaveB about turtle

14:51:25 [AndyS]

ACTION AndyS: update rq23 to reflect double => decimal

14:51:26 [EliasT]

ACTION AndyS: to change spec to reflect decimal.

14:51:27 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, take up item valueT

14:51:27 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "issues#valueTesting (DATATYPE test case thread)" taken up

14:51:58 [AndyS]

(section 2.1.2, grammar, example in sec 3, check rest esp sec 11)

14:52:16 [DanC_lap]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0215.html return type of DATATYPE

14:54:08 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-rdf-concepts-20040210/#dfn-typed-literal

15:01:29 [DanC_lap]

oops! s/xsd:Datatype/rdfs:Datatype/

15:04:21 [EliasT]

ericP: DATATYPE returns the datatype not the name of the datatype.

15:05:06 [kendallclark]

zakim, mute me

15:05:06 [Zakim]

Kendall_Clark should now be muted

15:05:17 [EliasT]

ericP: i.e. DATATYPE() returns xsd:integer as opposed to "http://....#integer"^^xsd:anyURI

15:14:22 [AndyS]

http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath20/#id-ebv

15:14:38 [kendallclark]

hmm, for $10 I could fake a seizure after unmuting myself... Would that do it?

15:15:05 [kendallclark]

tough crowd!

15:15:16 [EliasT]

I'll give you $5

15:15:21 [kendallclark]

I could describe the details of my dr's appointment... :>

15:16:36 [AndyS]

filter(<xsd:string>)

15:16:49 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery/#dt-ebv [[

15:17:05 [ericP]

Under certain circumstances (listed below), it is necessary to find the effective boolean value of a value. [Definition: The effective boolean value of a value is defined as the result of applying the fn:boolean function to the value, as defined in [XQuery 1.0 and XPath 2.0 Functions and Operators].]

15:17:10 [ericP]

]]

15:18:14 [AndyS]

fn:boolean() is not xsd:boolean cast

15:19:19 [ericP]

FILTER DATATYPE(?a)

15:19:43 [ericP]

?a => "asdf"^^jkl:qewr

15:20:44 [kendallclark]

-sigh-

15:21:33 [ericP]

?a => "asdf"^^xsd:string

15:22:24 [ericP]

FILTER DATATYPE(?a)

15:22:46 [DanC_lap]

(in the interest of time, I'm inclined to re-open valueTesting, note that in the document (status), and move this meeting on to the publication question)

15:23:00 [SteveH]

zakim, mute me

15:23:00 [Zakim]

SteveH should now be muted

15:25:22 [patH]

is kendall still breathing?

15:26:08 [kendallclark]

YES

15:26:19 [kendallclark]

zakim, unmute me

15:26:19 [Zakim]

Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted

15:26:30 [AndyS]

EricP - more after this call?

15:26:30 [patH]

phew, thats a relief.

15:26:36 [kendallclark]

:>

15:27:08 [kendallclark]

I'm fine w/ publishing w/out more eyeballs on it.

15:27:39 [DanC_lap]

PROPOSED: to publish 1.538 + EBV/valueTesting note, plus rdfs:Datatype/DATATYPE change in table, ...

15:27:55 [DanC_lap]

PROPOSED: to publish 1.538 + EBV/valueTesting note, plus rdfs:Datatype/DATATYPE change in table, DATATYPE("abc")=string? note

15:28:13 [DanC_lap]

PROPOSED: to publish 1.538 + EBV/valueTesting note, plus rdfs:Datatype/DATATYPE change in table, DATATYPE("abc")=string? note, plus, we hope, edited changelog by DanC

15:28:49 [DanC_lap]

so RESOLVED.

15:29:27 [EliasT]

RRSAgent, make logs world-access

15:29:33 [kendallclark]

zakim, mut eme

15:29:33 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'mut eme', kendallclark

15:29:37 [kendallclark]

zakim, mute me

15:29:37 [Zakim]

Kendall_Clark should now be muted

15:29:45 [EliasT]

RRSAgent, pointer?

15:29:45 [RRSAgent]

See http://www.w3.org/2005/11/15-dawg-irc#T15-29-45

15:30:20 [Zakim]

-Kendall_Clark

15:30:41 [Zakim]

+Kendall_Clark

15:31:19 [AndyS]

<_:label>

15:31:42 [EliasT]

RRSAgent, draft minutes please

15:31:42 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minutes please', EliasT. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:31:48 [EliasT]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

15:31:48 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/11/15-dawg-minutes.html EliasT

15:34:37 [kendallclark]

not in foaf

15:35:04 [Zakim]

+??P26

15:36:11 [SteveH]

my code does it currently

15:36:25 [SteveH]

zakim, unmute me

15:36:25 [Zakim]

SteveH should no longer be muted

15:36:45 [SteveH]

<_:foo>

15:36:50 [AndyS]

:-)

15:37:22 [Zakim]

-Kendall_Clark

15:37:24 [AndyS]

<(-:label> !!

15:40:59 [Zakim]

-DanC

15:41:15 [Zakim]

-Libby_Miller

15:41:16 [SteveH]

bye

15:41:23 [Zakim]

-SteveH

15:41:29 [AndyS]

Bye

15:41:41 [Zakim]

-JeenB

15:42:07 [jeen]

bye folks

15:42:52 [Zakim]

-EliasT

15:44:28 [EliasT]

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15:47:30 [JanneS]

ciao for today

15:47:34 [Zakim]

-JanneS

15:53:53 [Zakim]

-PatH

15:54:47 [AndyS]

http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery-operators/#func-boolean

15:56:26 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery/#dt-ebv

16:04:12 [AndyS]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#ebv

16:04:32 [libby]

a duel of urls!

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16:24:33 [ericP]

http://unagi/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#func-str

16:25:22 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#func-str

16:32:34 [Zakim]

-??P26

16:35:09 [Zakim]

-AndyS

16:35:12 [Zakim]

-EricP

16:35:25 [ericP]

zakim, who is here?

16:35:25 [Zakim]

On the phone I see LeeF

16:35:26 [Zakim]

On IRC I see DanC_lap, SteveH, RRSAgent, Zakim, LeeF, libby, afs, ericP, DanC

16:35:50 [LeeF]

oh, whoops

16:35:53 [Zakim]

-LeeF

16:35:54 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended

16:35:55 [Zakim]

Attendees were Kendall_Clark, AndyS, Libby_Miller, LeeF, JeenB, EricP, EliasT, SteveH, PatH, +1.404.659.aaaa, DanC, JanneS

16:36:46 [libby]

oops :)

16:40:07 [ericP]

np LeeF, glad you've tacitly agreed to those 50 action items