IRC log of dawg on 2005-11-15

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14:31:02 [RRSAgent]
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logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/11/15-dawg-irc
14:31:02 [kendallclark]
including me :>
14:31:07 [DanC_lap]
agenda + convene (or cancel), take roll, review records and agenda
14:31:14 [Zakim]
+Guus_Schreiber
14:31:27 [kendallclark]
I think there were at least 3 sparql talks proposed, and the one they accepted seemed odd (to be the only one, I mean)
14:31:38 [Zakim]
+[IBMCambridge]
14:31:44 [LeeF]
Zakim, [IBMCambridge] is LeeF
14:31:44 [Zakim]
+LeeF; got it
14:32:26 [jeen]
Zakim, Guus_Schreiber is JeenB
14:32:26 [Zakim]
+JeenB; got it
14:32:51 [DanC_lap]
agenda + toward updated SPARQL QL WD
14:32:59 [DanC_lap]
agenda + issues#rdfSemantics
14:33:08 [DanC_lap]
agenda + decimal vs float for 0.3
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14:33:23 [DanC_lap]
agenda + decimal vs float for 0.3 (DATATYPE test case thread)
14:33:26 [DanC_lap]
phpht
14:33:31 [Zakim]
+EricP
14:33:36 [afs_]
me having wireless iffy-ness
14:33:45 [DanC_lap]
agenda 5 = issues#valueTesting (DATATYPE test case thread)
14:34:14 [Zakim]
+[IBMCambridge]
14:34:14 [DanC_lap]
zakim, take up item 1
14:34:15 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "convene (or cancel), take roll, review records and agenda" taken up [from DanC_lap]
14:34:21 [DanC_lap]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:34:21 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, AndyS, Libby_Miller, JeenB, LeeF, EricP, [IBMCambridge]
14:35:06 [DanC_lap]
Jeen, is protocol testing update worth time on the agenda?
14:35:36 [EliasT]
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14:35:38 [jeen]
not really, virtually no progress on that, unfortunately.
14:35:51 [EliasT]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:35:51 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, AndyS, Libby_Miller, JeenB, LeeF, EricP, [IBMCambridge]
14:35:58 [EliasT]
Zakim, IBMCambridge is EliasT
14:35:58 [Zakim]
+EliasT; got it
14:36:19 [SteveH]
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14:36:30 [DanC_lap]
checking calendar, we've got to decide today if we're going to publish before the AC meeting. hmm.
14:37:04 [ericP]
ericP has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0223
14:37:19 [ericP]
ericP has changed the topic to: DAWG meeting, agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0223
14:37:40 [ericP]
RRSAgent, you here?
14:37:40 [RRSAgent]
I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'you here'
14:37:51 [ericP]
Meeting: DAWG
14:38:17 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
14:38:26 [SteveH]
Zakim, IPcaller is SteveH
14:38:26 [Zakim]
+SteveH; got it
14:38:27 [ericP]
Scribe: EliasT
14:38:28 [DanC_lap]
Zakim, passcode?
14:38:28 [Zakim]
the conference code is 7333 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), DanC_lap
14:38:41 [Zakim]
+PatH
14:38:43 [kendallclark]
Hey, "they" misspelled my name for a year ;>
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14:39:10 [ericP]
last meeting minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0193.html
14:39:29 [ericP]
as amended by http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0198.html
14:39:43 [Zakim]
+ +1.404.659.aaaa
14:39:51 [DanC_lap]
Zakim, aaaa is DanC
14:39:51 [Zakim]
+DanC; got it
14:39:59 [ericP]
PROPOSED: accept http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0193 and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0198 as a true record
14:40:08 [ericP]
APPROVED
14:40:56 [DanC_lap]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:40:56 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, AndyS, Libby_Miller, JeenB, LeeF, EricP, EliasT, SteveH, PatH, DanC
14:41:11 [ericP]
next meeting: 22 november
14:41:18 [DanC_lap]
partial regrets andys for 22 nov
14:41:22 [ericP]
next meeting scribe: KendallC
14:41:36 [patH]
Today I need to leave in about an hour from now.
14:41:54 [SteveH]
i have probably regrests for next week, il be at wise2005
14:42:35 [DanC_lap]
Zakim, take up item decimal
14:42:35 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "decimal vs float for 0.3" taken up [from DanC_lap]
14:43:52 [Zakim]
-SteveH
14:44:23 [Zakim]
+??P9
14:44:30 [JanneS]
Zakim, P9 is JanneS
14:44:30 [Zakim]
sorry, JanneS, I do not recognize a party named 'P9'
14:44:37 [JanneS]
Zakim, ??P9 is JanneS
14:44:37 [Zakim]
+JanneS; got it
14:45:09 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
14:45:18 [SteveH]
Zakim, IPcaller is SteveH
14:45:18 [Zakim]
+SteveH; got it
14:46:02 [ericP]
http://unagi/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#QTSynLiterals
14:46:43 [ericP]
[[
14:46:45 [ericP]
floating point numbers can also be directly written and are interpreted as xsd:double.
14:46:48 [ericP]
]]
14:47:03 [EliasT]
Most are in favor of decimal as opposed to float. There were no objections for decimal.
14:49:26 [EliasT]
SteveH: points out that Turtle uses float.
14:49:34 [SteveH]
double
14:50:12 [ericP]
PROPOSED: change dataytpe for SPARQL floating point numerics to xsd:decimal contingent on a similar change in Turtle.
14:50:26 [DanC_lap]
in particular, Beckett's agreement
14:50:33 [ericP]
APPROVED -- no objections, no abstentions
14:50:58 [DanC_lap]
ACTION DanC: ask DaveB about turtle
14:51:25 [AndyS]
ACTION AndyS: update rq23 to reflect double => decimal
14:51:26 [EliasT]
ACTION AndyS: to change spec to reflect decimal.
14:51:27 [DanC_lap]
Zakim, take up item valueT
14:51:27 [Zakim]
agendum 5. "issues#valueTesting (DATATYPE test case thread)" taken up
14:51:58 [AndyS]
(section 2.1.2, grammar, example in sec 3, check rest esp sec 11)
14:52:16 [DanC_lap]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0215.html return type of DATATYPE
14:54:08 [ericP]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-rdf-concepts-20040210/#dfn-typed-literal
15:01:29 [DanC_lap]
oops! s/xsd:Datatype/rdfs:Datatype/
15:04:21 [EliasT]
ericP: DATATYPE returns the datatype not the name of the datatype.
15:05:06 [kendallclark]
zakim, mute me
15:05:06 [Zakim]
Kendall_Clark should now be muted
15:05:17 [EliasT]
ericP: i.e. DATATYPE() returns xsd:integer as opposed to "http://....#integer"^^xsd:anyURI
15:14:22 [AndyS]
http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath20/#id-ebv
15:14:38 [kendallclark]
hmm, for $10 I could fake a seizure after unmuting myself... Would that do it?
15:15:05 [kendallclark]
tough crowd!
15:15:16 [EliasT]
I'll give you $5
15:15:21 [kendallclark]
I could describe the details of my dr's appointment... :>
15:16:36 [AndyS]
filter(<xsd:string>)
15:16:49 [ericP]
http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery/#dt-ebv [[
15:17:05 [ericP]
Under certain circumstances (listed below), it is necessary to find the effective boolean value of a value. [Definition: The effective boolean value of a value is defined as the result of applying the fn:boolean function to the value, as defined in [XQuery 1.0 and XPath 2.0 Functions and Operators].]
15:17:10 [ericP]
]]
15:18:14 [AndyS]
fn:boolean() is not xsd:boolean cast
15:19:19 [ericP]
FILTER DATATYPE(?a)
15:19:43 [ericP]
?a => "asdf"^^jkl:qewr
15:20:44 [kendallclark]
-sigh-
15:21:33 [ericP]
?a => "asdf"^^xsd:string
15:22:24 [ericP]
FILTER DATATYPE(?a)
15:22:46 [DanC_lap]
(in the interest of time, I'm inclined to re-open valueTesting, note that in the document (status), and move this meeting on to the publication question)
15:23:00 [SteveH]
zakim, mute me
15:23:00 [Zakim]
SteveH should now be muted
15:25:22 [patH]
is kendall still breathing?
15:26:08 [kendallclark]
YES
15:26:19 [kendallclark]
zakim, unmute me
15:26:19 [Zakim]
Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
15:26:30 [AndyS]
EricP - more after this call?
15:26:30 [patH]
phew, thats a relief.
15:26:36 [kendallclark]
:>
15:27:08 [kendallclark]
I'm fine w/ publishing w/out more eyeballs on it.
15:27:39 [DanC_lap]
PROPOSED: to publish 1.538 + EBV/valueTesting note, plus rdfs:Datatype/DATATYPE change in table, ...
15:27:55 [DanC_lap]
PROPOSED: to publish 1.538 + EBV/valueTesting note, plus rdfs:Datatype/DATATYPE change in table, DATATYPE("abc")=string? note
15:28:13 [DanC_lap]
PROPOSED: to publish 1.538 + EBV/valueTesting note, plus rdfs:Datatype/DATATYPE change in table, DATATYPE("abc")=string? note, plus, we hope, edited changelog by DanC
15:28:49 [DanC_lap]
so RESOLVED.
15:29:27 [EliasT]
RRSAgent, make logs world-access
15:29:33 [kendallclark]
zakim, mut eme
15:29:33 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'mut eme', kendallclark
15:29:37 [kendallclark]
zakim, mute me
15:29:37 [Zakim]
Kendall_Clark should now be muted
15:29:45 [EliasT]
RRSAgent, pointer?
15:29:45 [RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2005/11/15-dawg-irc#T15-29-45
15:30:20 [Zakim]
-Kendall_Clark
15:30:41 [Zakim]
+Kendall_Clark
15:31:19 [AndyS]
<_:label>
15:31:42 [EliasT]
RRSAgent, draft minutes please
15:31:42 [RRSAgent]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minutes please', EliasT. Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:31:48 [EliasT]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:31:48 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/11/15-dawg-minutes.html EliasT
15:34:37 [kendallclark]
not in foaf
15:35:04 [Zakim]
+??P26
15:36:11 [SteveH]
my code does it currently
15:36:25 [SteveH]
zakim, unmute me
15:36:25 [Zakim]
SteveH should no longer be muted
15:36:45 [SteveH]
<_:foo>
15:36:50 [AndyS]
:-)
15:37:22 [Zakim]
-Kendall_Clark
15:37:24 [AndyS]
<(-:label> !!
15:40:59 [Zakim]
-DanC
15:41:15 [Zakim]
-Libby_Miller
15:41:16 [SteveH]
bye
15:41:23 [Zakim]
-SteveH
15:41:29 [AndyS]
Bye
15:41:41 [Zakim]
-JeenB
15:42:07 [jeen]
bye folks
15:42:52 [Zakim]
-EliasT
15:44:28 [EliasT]
EliasT has left #dawg
15:47:30 [JanneS]
ciao for today
15:47:34 [Zakim]
-JanneS
15:53:53 [Zakim]
-PatH
15:54:47 [AndyS]
http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery-operators/#func-boolean
15:56:26 [ericP]
http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery/#dt-ebv
16:04:12 [AndyS]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#ebv
16:04:32 [libby]
a duel of urls!
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16:24:33 [ericP]
http://unagi/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#func-str
16:25:22 [ericP]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#func-str
16:32:34 [Zakim]
-??P26
16:35:09 [Zakim]
-AndyS
16:35:12 [Zakim]
-EricP
16:35:25 [ericP]
zakim, who is here?
16:35:25 [Zakim]
On the phone I see LeeF
16:35:26 [Zakim]
On IRC I see DanC_lap, SteveH, RRSAgent, Zakim, LeeF, libby, afs, ericP, DanC
16:35:50 [LeeF]
oh, whoops
16:35:53 [Zakim]
-LeeF
16:35:54 [Zakim]
SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
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Attendees were Kendall_Clark, AndyS, Libby_Miller, LeeF, JeenB, EricP, EliasT, SteveH, PatH, +1.404.659.aaaa, DanC, JanneS
16:36:46 [libby]
oops :)
16:40:07 [ericP]
np LeeF, glad you've tacitly agreed to those 50 action items