IRC log of dawg on 2005-11-15
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- 14:31:02 [RRSAgent]
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/11/15-dawg-irc
- 14:31:02 [kendallclark]
- including me :>
- 14:31:07 [DanC_lap]
- agenda + convene (or cancel), take roll, review records and agenda
- 14:31:14 [Zakim]
- +Guus_Schreiber
- 14:31:27 [kendallclark]
- I think there were at least 3 sparql talks proposed, and the one they accepted seemed odd (to be the only one, I mean)
- 14:31:38 [Zakim]
- +[IBMCambridge]
- 14:31:44 [LeeF]
- Zakim, [IBMCambridge] is LeeF
- 14:31:44 [Zakim]
- +LeeF; got it
- 14:32:26 [jeen]
- Zakim, Guus_Schreiber is JeenB
- 14:32:26 [Zakim]
- +JeenB; got it
- 14:32:51 [DanC_lap]
- agenda + toward updated SPARQL QL WD
- 14:32:59 [DanC_lap]
- agenda + issues#rdfSemantics
- 14:33:08 [DanC_lap]
- agenda + decimal vs float for 0.3
- 14:33:17 [afs_]
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- 14:33:23 [DanC_lap]
- agenda + decimal vs float for 0.3 (DATATYPE test case thread)
- 14:33:26 [DanC_lap]
- phpht
- 14:33:31 [Zakim]
- +EricP
- 14:33:36 [afs_]
- me having wireless iffy-ness
- 14:33:45 [DanC_lap]
- agenda 5 = issues#valueTesting (DATATYPE test case thread)
- 14:34:14 [Zakim]
- +[IBMCambridge]
- 14:34:14 [DanC_lap]
- zakim, take up item 1
- 14:34:15 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "convene (or cancel), take roll, review records and agenda" taken up [from DanC_lap]
- 14:34:21 [DanC_lap]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:34:21 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, AndyS, Libby_Miller, JeenB, LeeF, EricP, [IBMCambridge]
- 14:35:06 [DanC_lap]
- Jeen, is protocol testing update worth time on the agenda?
- 14:35:36 [EliasT]
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- 14:35:38 [jeen]
- not really, virtually no progress on that, unfortunately.
- 14:35:51 [EliasT]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:35:51 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, AndyS, Libby_Miller, JeenB, LeeF, EricP, [IBMCambridge]
- 14:35:58 [EliasT]
- Zakim, IBMCambridge is EliasT
- 14:35:58 [Zakim]
- +EliasT; got it
- 14:36:19 [SteveH]
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- 14:36:30 [DanC_lap]
- checking calendar, we've got to decide today if we're going to publish before the AC meeting. hmm.
- 14:37:04 [ericP]
- ericP has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0223
- 14:37:19 [ericP]
- ericP has changed the topic to: DAWG meeting, agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0223
- 14:37:40 [ericP]
- RRSAgent, you here?
- 14:37:40 [RRSAgent]
- I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'you here'
- 14:37:51 [ericP]
- Meeting: DAWG
- 14:38:17 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 14:38:26 [SteveH]
- Zakim, IPcaller is SteveH
- 14:38:26 [Zakim]
- +SteveH; got it
- 14:38:27 [ericP]
- Scribe: EliasT
- 14:38:28 [DanC_lap]
- Zakim, passcode?
- 14:38:28 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 7333 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), DanC_lap
- 14:38:41 [Zakim]
- +PatH
- 14:38:43 [kendallclark]
- Hey, "they" misspelled my name for a year ;>
- 14:38:58 [patH]
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- 14:39:10 [ericP]
- last meeting minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0193.html
- 14:39:29 [ericP]
- as amended by http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0198.html
- 14:39:43 [Zakim]
- + +1.404.659.aaaa
- 14:39:51 [DanC_lap]
- Zakim, aaaa is DanC
- 14:39:51 [Zakim]
- +DanC; got it
- 14:39:59 [ericP]
- PROPOSED: accept http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0193 and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0198 as a true record
- 14:40:08 [ericP]
- APPROVED
- 14:40:56 [DanC_lap]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:40:56 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, AndyS, Libby_Miller, JeenB, LeeF, EricP, EliasT, SteveH, PatH, DanC
- 14:41:11 [ericP]
- next meeting: 22 november
- 14:41:18 [DanC_lap]
- partial regrets andys for 22 nov
- 14:41:22 [ericP]
- next meeting scribe: KendallC
- 14:41:36 [patH]
- Today I need to leave in about an hour from now.
- 14:41:54 [SteveH]
- i have probably regrests for next week, il be at wise2005
- 14:42:35 [DanC_lap]
- Zakim, take up item decimal
- 14:42:35 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "decimal vs float for 0.3" taken up [from DanC_lap]
- 14:43:52 [Zakim]
- -SteveH
- 14:44:23 [Zakim]
- +??P9
- 14:44:30 [JanneS]
- Zakim, P9 is JanneS
- 14:44:30 [Zakim]
- sorry, JanneS, I do not recognize a party named 'P9'
- 14:44:37 [JanneS]
- Zakim, ??P9 is JanneS
- 14:44:37 [Zakim]
- +JanneS; got it
- 14:45:09 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 14:45:18 [SteveH]
- Zakim, IPcaller is SteveH
- 14:45:18 [Zakim]
- +SteveH; got it
- 14:46:02 [ericP]
- http://unagi/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#QTSynLiterals
- 14:46:43 [ericP]
- [[
- 14:46:45 [ericP]
- floating point numbers can also be directly written and are interpreted as xsd:double.
- 14:46:48 [ericP]
- ]]
- 14:47:03 [EliasT]
- Most are in favor of decimal as opposed to float. There were no objections for decimal.
- 14:49:26 [EliasT]
- SteveH: points out that Turtle uses float.
- 14:49:34 [SteveH]
- double
- 14:50:12 [ericP]
- PROPOSED: change dataytpe for SPARQL floating point numerics to xsd:decimal contingent on a similar change in Turtle.
- 14:50:26 [DanC_lap]
- in particular, Beckett's agreement
- 14:50:33 [ericP]
- APPROVED -- no objections, no abstentions
- 14:50:58 [DanC_lap]
- ACTION DanC: ask DaveB about turtle
- 14:51:25 [AndyS]
- ACTION AndyS: update rq23 to reflect double => decimal
- 14:51:26 [EliasT]
- ACTION AndyS: to change spec to reflect decimal.
- 14:51:27 [DanC_lap]
- Zakim, take up item valueT
- 14:51:27 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "issues#valueTesting (DATATYPE test case thread)" taken up
- 14:51:58 [AndyS]
- (section 2.1.2, grammar, example in sec 3, check rest esp sec 11)
- 14:52:16 [DanC_lap]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0215.html return type of DATATYPE
- 14:54:08 [ericP]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-rdf-concepts-20040210/#dfn-typed-literal
- 15:01:29 [DanC_lap]
- oops! s/xsd:Datatype/rdfs:Datatype/
- 15:04:21 [EliasT]
- ericP: DATATYPE returns the datatype not the name of the datatype.
- 15:05:06 [kendallclark]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:05:06 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark should now be muted
- 15:05:17 [EliasT]
- ericP: i.e. DATATYPE() returns xsd:integer as opposed to "http://....#integer"^^xsd:anyURI
- 15:14:22 [AndyS]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath20/#id-ebv
- 15:14:38 [kendallclark]
- hmm, for $10 I could fake a seizure after unmuting myself... Would that do it?
- 15:15:05 [kendallclark]
- tough crowd!
- 15:15:16 [EliasT]
- I'll give you $5
- 15:15:21 [kendallclark]
- I could describe the details of my dr's appointment... :>
- 15:16:36 [AndyS]
- filter(<xsd:string>)
- 15:16:49 [ericP]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery/#dt-ebv [[
- 15:17:05 [ericP]
- Under certain circumstances (listed below), it is necessary to find the effective boolean value of a value. [Definition: The effective boolean value of a value is defined as the result of applying the fn:boolean function to the value, as defined in [XQuery 1.0 and XPath 2.0 Functions and Operators].]
- 15:17:10 [ericP]
- ]]
- 15:18:14 [AndyS]
- fn:boolean() is not xsd:boolean cast
- 15:19:19 [ericP]
- FILTER DATATYPE(?a)
- 15:19:43 [ericP]
- ?a => "asdf"^^jkl:qewr
- 15:20:44 [kendallclark]
- -sigh-
- 15:21:33 [ericP]
- ?a => "asdf"^^xsd:string
- 15:22:24 [ericP]
- FILTER DATATYPE(?a)
- 15:22:46 [DanC_lap]
- (in the interest of time, I'm inclined to re-open valueTesting, note that in the document (status), and move this meeting on to the publication question)
- 15:23:00 [SteveH]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:23:00 [Zakim]
- SteveH should now be muted
- 15:25:22 [patH]
- is kendall still breathing?
- 15:26:08 [kendallclark]
- YES
- 15:26:19 [kendallclark]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:26:19 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
- 15:26:30 [AndyS]
- EricP - more after this call?
- 15:26:30 [patH]
- phew, thats a relief.
- 15:26:36 [kendallclark]
- :>
- 15:27:08 [kendallclark]
- I'm fine w/ publishing w/out more eyeballs on it.
- 15:27:39 [DanC_lap]
- PROPOSED: to publish 1.538 + EBV/valueTesting note, plus rdfs:Datatype/DATATYPE change in table, ...
- 15:27:55 [DanC_lap]
- PROPOSED: to publish 1.538 + EBV/valueTesting note, plus rdfs:Datatype/DATATYPE change in table, DATATYPE("abc")=string? note
- 15:28:13 [DanC_lap]
- PROPOSED: to publish 1.538 + EBV/valueTesting note, plus rdfs:Datatype/DATATYPE change in table, DATATYPE("abc")=string? note, plus, we hope, edited changelog by DanC
- 15:28:49 [DanC_lap]
- so RESOLVED.
- 15:29:27 [EliasT]
- RRSAgent, make logs world-access
- 15:29:33 [kendallclark]
- zakim, mut eme
- 15:29:33 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'mut eme', kendallclark
- 15:29:37 [kendallclark]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:29:37 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark should now be muted
- 15:29:45 [EliasT]
- RRSAgent, pointer?
- 15:29:45 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2005/11/15-dawg-irc#T15-29-45
- 15:30:20 [Zakim]
- -Kendall_Clark
- 15:30:41 [Zakim]
- +Kendall_Clark
- 15:31:19 [AndyS]
- <_:label>
- 15:31:42 [EliasT]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes please
- 15:31:42 [RRSAgent]
- I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minutes please', EliasT. Try /msg RRSAgent help
- 15:31:48 [EliasT]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 15:31:48 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/11/15-dawg-minutes.html EliasT
- 15:34:37 [kendallclark]
- not in foaf
- 15:35:04 [Zakim]
- +??P26
- 15:36:11 [SteveH]
- my code does it currently
- 15:36:25 [SteveH]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:36:25 [Zakim]
- SteveH should no longer be muted
- 15:36:45 [SteveH]
- <_:foo>
- 15:36:50 [AndyS]
- :-)
- 15:37:22 [Zakim]
- -Kendall_Clark
- 15:37:24 [AndyS]
- <(-:label> !!
- 15:40:59 [Zakim]
- -DanC
- 15:41:15 [Zakim]
- -Libby_Miller
- 15:41:16 [SteveH]
- bye
- 15:41:23 [Zakim]
- -SteveH
- 15:41:29 [AndyS]
- Bye
- 15:41:41 [Zakim]
- -JeenB
- 15:42:07 [jeen]
- bye folks
- 15:42:52 [Zakim]
- -EliasT
- 15:44:28 [EliasT]
- EliasT has left #dawg
- 15:47:30 [JanneS]
- ciao for today
- 15:47:34 [Zakim]
- -JanneS
- 15:53:53 [Zakim]
- -PatH
- 15:54:47 [AndyS]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery-operators/#func-boolean
- 15:56:26 [ericP]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery/#dt-ebv
- 16:04:12 [AndyS]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#ebv
- 16:04:32 [libby]
- a duel of urls!
- 16:06:35 [DanC_lap]
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- DanC_lap has joined #dawg
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- AndyS has joined #dawg
- 16:24:33 [ericP]
- http://unagi/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#func-str
- 16:25:22 [ericP]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#func-str
- 16:32:34 [Zakim]
- -??P26
- 16:35:09 [Zakim]
- -AndyS
- 16:35:12 [Zakim]
- -EricP
- 16:35:25 [ericP]
- zakim, who is here?
- 16:35:25 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see LeeF
- 16:35:26 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see DanC_lap, SteveH, RRSAgent, Zakim, LeeF, libby, afs, ericP, DanC
- 16:35:50 [LeeF]
- oh, whoops
- 16:35:53 [Zakim]
- -LeeF
- 16:35:54 [Zakim]
- SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
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- Attendees were Kendall_Clark, AndyS, Libby_Miller, LeeF, JeenB, EricP, EliasT, SteveH, PatH, +1.404.659.aaaa, DanC, JanneS
- 16:36:46 [libby]
- oops :)
- 16:40:07 [ericP]
- np LeeF, glad you've tacitly agreed to those 50 action items