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19:56:47 <wendy> RRSAgent, make logs world
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19:56:56 <Zakim> +Sofia_Celic
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19:57:54 <Zakim> +??P6
19:58:02 <wendy> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/0121.html
19:58:13 <bengt> zakim, ??P6 is Bengt_Farre
19:58:13 <Zakim> +Bengt_Farre; got it
19:58:19 <lmascaro> Today I'm a problem with the audio device... i'm only on irc
19:58:32 <Zakim> +Wendy
19:58:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
19:58:50 <Makoto> zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
19:58:50 <Zakim> +Makoto_Ueki; got it
19:58:52 <bengt> zakim, I am Bengt_Farre
19:58:52 <Zakim> ok, bengt, I now associate you with Bengt_Farre
19:59:03 <Zakim> +??P8
19:59:09 <bengt> zakim, mute me
19:59:09 <Zakim> Bengt_Farre should now be muted
19:59:14 <Yvette> zakim, ??P8 is Yvette_Hoitink
19:59:14 <Zakim> +Yvette_Hoitink; got it
19:59:20 <Yvette> zakim, I am Yvette_Hoitink
19:59:20 <Zakim> ok, Yvette, I now associate you with Yvette_Hoitink
19:59:26 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
19:59:45 <Michael> Michael has joined #wai-wcag
19:59:57 <Yvette> zakim, mute me
19:59:57 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
20:00:23 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
20:00:29 <Zakim> +??P11
20:00:31 <ben> zakim, ??P11 is Gregg_and_Ben
20:00:31 <Zakim> +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
20:00:37 <Zakim> +Alex_Li
20:00:38 <rcastaldo> rcastaldo has joined #wai-wcag
20:00:45 <rcastaldo> Hi all
20:00:51 <gregg> gregg has joined #wai-wcag
20:00:58 <bengt> sunday for europe
20:01:02 <Zakim> +??P13
20:01:08 <wendy> regrets: Don Evans, Sandy Bartell
20:01:17 <wendy> zakim, ??P13 is Katie_Haritos-Shea
20:01:17 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
20:01:33 <wendy> regrets+ Rob Haverty
20:01:34 <Zakim> + +1.973.482.aaaa - is perhaps Gian_Sampson-Wild?
20:01:56 <wendy> zakim, +1.973.482.aaaa is Gez_Lemon
20:01:56 <Zakim> sorry, wendy, I do not recognize a party named '+1.973.482.aaaa'
20:02:08 <wendy> zakim, +1.973 is Gez_Lemon
20:02:08 <Zakim> sorry, wendy, I do not recognize a party named '+1.973'
20:02:09 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:02:11 <Yvette> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:02:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre (muted), Wendy, Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink (muted), David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
20:02:15 <Zakim> ... Gian_Sampson-Wild?, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:02:24 <Yvette> zakim, Gian_Sampson-Wild? is Gez_Lemon
20:02:24 <Zakim> +Gez_Lemon; got it
20:02:24 <Becky> Becky has joined #wai-wcag
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20:02:48 <Zakim> +Becky_Gibson
20:03:17 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
20:03:25 <rcastaldo> tryng to connect with dialpad... have some problems
20:04:16 <Becky> zakim, I am Becky_Gibson
20:04:16 <Zakim> ok, Becky, I now associate you with Becky_Gibson
20:04:21 <Zakim> +??P25
20:04:45 <wendy> zakim, ??P25 is Lisa_Seeman
20:04:45 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
20:04:51 <Zakim> +??P26
20:05:29 <Zakim> + +1.512.324.aabb
20:05:45 <wendy> zakim, +1.512.324.aabb is John_Slatin
20:05:45 <Zakim> +John_Slatin; got it
20:05:53 <Andi> Andi has joined #wai-wcag
20:05:56 <wendy> zakim, ??P26 is Roberto_Castaldo
20:05:56 <Zakim> +Roberto_Castaldo; got it
20:06:06 <Zakim> +[IBM]
20:06:17 <wendy> zakim, [IBM] is Andi_Snow-Weaver
20:06:17 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
20:06:28 <wendy> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:06:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre (muted), Wendy, Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink (muted), David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
20:06:31 <Zakim> ... Gez_Lemon, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Becky_Gibson, Michael_Cooper, Lisa_Seeman (muted), Roberto_Castaldo, John_Slatin, Andi_Snow-Weaver
20:07:16 <wendy> Topic: Status and updates 
20:07:31 <wendy> regrets+ Sebastiano Nutarelli 
20:08:54 <wendy> last week's face-to-face. people worked long hours (~8:30-7:30 each day, with 15 minute breaks and 45 minute lunches) for 4 days.
20:09:39 <wendy> changes made to wiki. gregg sent two lists of items. The first list - are these ready to go out for the next draft?
20:10:12 <wendy> The second list - are these changes acceptable? e.g., ok to delete a SC or to combine a couple.
20:10:24 <wendy> the third list are those things we still need to do - that hasn't been sent yet.
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20:12:59 <Zakim> +??P29
20:13:15 <wendy> resolution: first block of items are ready for publication list at: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/0121.html>
20:13:44 <Zakim> -Roberto_Castaldo
20:14:04 <bengt> zakim, ??P29 is Roberto_Castaldo
20:14:04 <Zakim> +Roberto_Castaldo; got it
20:14:06 <wendy> Topic: Guideline 1.2 L3 SC3 - audio descriptions (live multimedia)
20:14:22 <wendy> Proposal to delete this success criterion 
20:14:24 <wendy> RATIONALE: because it is almost impossible to do unless the live
20:14:25 <wendy> multimedia is scripted so you know when people are not talking so you can
20:14:27 <wendy> speak audio descriptions.  In that case we are only talking about live plays
20:14:28 <wendy> or something and that was not seen as a major enough type of content on the
20:14:30 <wendy> Web for us to have a success criteria all about it.
20:17:05 <wendy> zakim, code?
20:17:05 <Zakim> the conference code is 9224 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), wendy
20:17:09 <ben> q?
20:18:03 <wendy> q-
20:18:27 <Zakim> +Matt_May
20:18:31 <wendy> resolution: delete Guideline 1.2 L3 SC3 - audio descriptions (live multimedia)
20:18:50 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Goldsmith
20:19:11 <wendy> Topic: Guideline 1.4 L1 SC1
20:19:13 <wendy> proposal: remove
20:19:14 <wendy> Rationale: if you conform to other success criteria (1.1 and 1.3) then there are no further requirements. we're assuming that user agents
20:19:16 <wendy> should or could change color of text and background for contrast as long as the text is programmatically determined.
20:19:24 <wendy> Topic: Guideline 1.4 L1 SC1
20:19:30 <wendy> proposal: remove
20:19:31 <wendy> Rationale: if you conform to other success criteria (1.1 and 1.3) then there are no further requirements. we're assuming that user agents
20:19:33 <wendy> should or could change color of text and background for contrast as long as the text is programmatically determined.
20:19:57 <wendy> zakim, mute John_Slatin
20:19:57 <Zakim> John_Slatin should now be muted
20:20:09 <wendy> zakim, unmute John_Slatin
20:20:09 <Zakim> John_Slatin should no longer be muted
20:20:56 <wendy> resolution: remove Guideline 1.4 L1 SC1
20:21:06 <wendy> zakim, mute John_Slatin
20:21:06 <Zakim> John_Slatin should now be muted
20:21:24 <wendy> Topic: Guideline 3.1 L3 SC1
20:21:29 <wendy> proposal: delete
20:21:40 <wendy> Rationale:  SC2 covers everything but very common words that are in a standard dictionary. people with cognitive disabilities would be better
20:21:41 <wendy> off using a dictionary that is tuned for them or that they are at least used to than having each author specifying a different dictionary. it is better for the user to pick the dictionary - something they are used to.
20:21:58 <wendy> zakim, unmute John_Slatin
20:21:58 <Zakim> John_Slatin was not muted, wendy
20:23:53 <wendy> concern about disambiuity of words. feeling that it is handled in separate criterion.
20:23:55 <wendy> ack l
20:24:25 <wendy> there is a work item about pronunciation (for languages where something else is provided).
20:24:37 <wendy> that's not the issue was trying to raise.
20:24:49 <wendy> cites WWAAC work on concept coding.
20:25:54 <wendy> original idea was about lexicon but evolved to dictionary due to lack of comfort with lexicon.
20:27:21 <Yvette> q+
20:28:18 <wendy> ack yv
20:28:18 <Yvette> ack y
20:30:25 <wendy> discussion if covered by existing level 3 sc 2 (terms used in restricted way)
20:30:32 <bengt> q+ to say cognitive handicaps require to be able to find the meaning for any word
20:31:02 <wendy> not disambiguating words, it's concept coding
20:31:11 <Yvette> zakim, mute me
20:31:11 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
20:32:42 <wendy> ack bengt
20:32:44 <Zakim> Bengt_Farre, you wanted to say cognitive handicaps require to be able to find the meaning for any word
20:32:58 <bengt> mike doesnt work
20:33:00 <wendy> can't hear you bengt 
20:33:06 <bengt> yep
20:33:36 <bengt> 2 different things conceptcoding sentence and cocneptcode a word
20:33:50 <bengt> opposing yes
20:34:38 <wendy> reminder that this SC does not cover concept coding - only that you point to a dictionary.
20:35:03 <Yvette> q+ to say "Concept coding would be allowed here"
20:35:16 <bengt> yep
20:35:38 <bengt> lets not forget this point but delete ok
20:35:51 <wendy> ack joh
20:35:53 <wendy> ack lor
20:35:55 <wendy> ack yv
20:35:56 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "Concept coding would be allowed here"
20:36:16 <bengt> yep
20:36:42 <bengt> conceptcoding is pointing to a dictionary that is based a concept
20:38:48 <bengt> zakim, mute me
20:38:48 <Zakim> Bengt_Farre should now be muted
20:40:25 <wendy> ack jo
20:40:27 <wendy> ack lis
20:41:09 <Yvette> q+
20:42:05 <Yvette> zakim, unmute me
20:42:05 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink was not muted, Yvette
20:42:08 <wendy> ack y
20:43:53 <wendy> suggestion to keep this as because 1. a "placeholder" for something related to concept coding  2. concern that watering down guidelines wrt cognitive disabilities
20:44:01 <wendy> need to work on guide document to reflect issues raised today
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20:45:05 <wendy> no consensus. ask for someone to write a proposal and act on at next meeting.
20:45:13 <bengt> bengt will work on it
20:45:40 <wendy> action: bengt and lisa proposal for success criterion and guide document by monday to address concept coding.
20:46:12 <wendy> zakim, loretta has Gian_Sampson-Wild
20:46:12 <Zakim> +Gian_Sampson-Wild; got it
20:46:46 <wendy> Topic: Guideline 3.2 L3 SC1
20:46:54 <wendy> proposal to combine with 3.2 L2 SC3
20:47:23 <wendy> Topic: Guideline 4.2 L2 SC1
20:47:30 <wendy> proposal to delete
20:47:41 <wendy> Rationale:  moved to a general technique for 4.2 L1 sc6. Also, the implication of the wording is that accessibility conventions would need to be used even if they are not appropriate (e.g., "accesskey").  
20:49:05 <wendy> resolution: delete Guideline 4.2 L2 SC1
20:49:14 <wendy> Topic: Guideline 3.2 L3 SC1
20:49:19 <wendy> proposal to combine with 3.2 L2 SC3
20:51:44 <Yvette> q+ to say "L2 doesn't cover non-functional graphics"
20:52:22 <wendy> ack jo
20:52:47 <wendy> clarification - not combine the 2 criteria, but delete the level 3 because it is covered by the level 2 criterion.
20:53:51 <wendy> and then combine the guide documents since there are good techniques in the l3 guide doc.
20:54:43 <Yvette> ack y
20:54:43 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "L2 doesn't cover non-functional graphics"
20:54:50 <wendy> ack yv
21:01:57 <wendy> this is in guideline 3.2 - about predictable functionality. concern about definition of function. does it include convey information?
21:02:29 <Yvette> q+ to say "if current L3 is already about functional graphics than combine is OK, no matter what functionality really means"
21:02:39 <wendy> proposal - leave both of them in since what they mean is unclear. someone needs to look at what they say and propose a clarification.
21:03:17 <wendy> ack yv
21:03:17 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "if current L3 is already about functional graphics than combine is OK, no matter what functionality really means"
21:03:57 <wendy> ack li
21:05:36 <wendy> concern about how this applies to a site that provides a simplified version
21:05:38 <wendy> ack lor
21:07:30 <wendy> resolution: combine Guideline 3.2 L3 SC1 and 3.2 L2 SC3 with proviso that we work on using the guide documents to clarify what is covered.
21:07:46 <wendy> regrets+ Luca_Mascaro
21:08:18 <wendy> Topic: Guideline 1.3 L3 SC2
21:09:10 <wendy> ready to go?
21:09:11 <wendy> http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_1.3_L3_SC_2
21:09:25 <Yvette> zakim, mute me
21:09:25 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:10:12 <wendy> it's a new SC that hasn't previously been published.
21:11:35 <wendy> concern that it should be at level 2
21:11:39 <David> +q
21:11:46 <David> q+
21:11:53 <wendy> ack kat
21:12:18 <wendy> ack david
21:12:52 <mcmay> q+
21:13:48 <Michael> q+ to discuss ednote Makoto put in
21:13:51 <wendy> ack mc
21:15:08 <wendy> proposal, "do not depend solely..." so as not to discourage the practice (similar to practice). don't want to say people can't use, but if they do be redundant with other encoding.
21:15:35 <wendy> ack li
21:17:30 <wendy> ack mi
21:17:30 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper, you wanted to discuss ednote Makoto put in
21:18:02 <wendy> zakim, who's on the phone?
21:18:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre (muted), Wendy, Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink (muted), David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
21:18:09 <Zakim> ... Gez_Lemon (muted), Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Becky_Gibson, Michael_Cooper, Lisa_Seeman, John_Slatin, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Roberto_Castaldo (muted), Matt_May, Kerstin_Goldsmith
21:18:11 <Zakim> Loretta_Guarino_Reid has Gian_Sampson-Wild
21:20:37 <wendy> ...in another way that does not depend on shape or location.
21:21:07 <gregg> When Instructions convey information using visual characteristics such as shape or visual location of components the information is also provided in a way that does not rely on shape or visual location of components.
21:21:18 <wendy> q+
21:21:39 <wendy> q-
21:23:14 <gregg> When Instructions convey information using visual characteristics such as shape or visual location of components the information is also provided in a way that does not rely on visual characteristics such as shape or visual location of components.
21:24:26 <wendy> ack lor
21:24:31 <wendy> ack kat
21:25:24 <gregg>  Instructions for understanding or operating a  delivery unit do not depend solely on users' ability to perceive visual characteristics such as shape or visual location of components.
21:25:51 <David> q+
21:27:11 <wendy> ack li
21:27:43 <wendy> concern about tactile markup and other haptic devices that could be used in the future
21:28:16 <wendy> ack david
21:28:22 <wendy> q+ christophe
21:28:44 <wendy> ack chris
21:29:07 <wendy> proposal: When instructions for understanding or operating a delivery unit use (refer to?) shape or visual location , the instructions do not solely rely on these visual characteristics (i.e. shape and visual location)..
21:29:44 <wendy> ack john
21:29:46 <David> tactile map link http://tactile.nrcan.gc.ca/page.cgi?url=index_e.html 
21:29:59 <wendy> "user's ability to perceive" is not testable
21:31:04 <wendy> Instructions for understanding or operating a delivery unit do not depend solely visual characteristics such as shape or visual location of components.
21:31:27 <wendy> s/solely/solely on
21:32:26 <wendy> ack kerstin
21:33:21 <Zakim> -Lisa_Seeman
21:33:53 <wendy> q+ gian
21:34:00 <wendy> ack lor
21:34:19 <wendy> if narrow to shape or visual location, should also include size
21:34:25 <wendy> ack gian
21:34:43 <wendy> concern that it needs more investigation
21:34:45 <rcast> I'm sorry, I've got to leave the call now, hear you all next week. Bye all.
21:34:56 <Zakim> -Roberto_Castaldo
21:35:18 <gregg> Q+
21:35:30 <wendy> ack gr
21:36:20 <Christophe> q+
21:36:42 <wendy> proposal: instructions do not rely on vision for understanding
21:37:03 <Christophe> q-
21:39:34 <wendy> ack ker
21:41:15 <Christophe> q+ to say "We did not get back to Makoto (about something still being under consideration)"
21:41:24 <wendy> ack lor
21:42:10 <wendy> ack ch
21:42:10 <Zakim> Christophe, you wanted to say "We did not get back to Makoto (about something still being under consideration)"
21:47:15 <wendy> ack ker
21:48:15 <wendy> as compared to JIS: our current wording limits to instructions but is broader (to all visual characteristics)
21:49:11 <Andi> q+
21:50:17 <wendy> action: kerstin and makoto work on rewording of SC of about "shape and locaiton" and guide doc.
21:51:24 <gregg> ack andi
21:52:03 <wendy> ack lor
21:52:46 <wendy> ack ker
21:53:14 <wendy> ack john
21:54:22 <Andi> Information required to understand and operate Web content does not rely on shape and location alone.
21:54:59 <Andi> Information required to understand and operate Web content shall not rely on shape or location alone.
21:55:26 <wendy> resolution: adopt at level 2 with guide doc on the way from kerstin and makoto - Information required to understand and operate Web content does not rely on shape or location alone.
21:55:43 <wendy> ack kat
21:57:39 <wendy> action: katie "next round we should..." wrt Guideline 1.3 L3 SC2
21:58:32 <wendy> RRSAgent, drop action 3
21:58:36 <wendy> zakim, who's making noise?
21:58:46 <Zakim> wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Makoto_Ueki (30%)
21:59:00 <Makoto> zakim, mute me
21:59:00 <Zakim> Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
21:59:49 <wendy> Topic: guides that need work and who's working on them
22:00:13 <wendy> Topic: things for next week
22:00:26 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
22:00:35 <wendy> guideline 1.2 l1 sc1 captions - level 1 or 2?
22:00:46 <wendy> guideline 1.2 l1 sc 2 audio descriptions - level 1 or 2
22:01:18 <wendy> guideline 3.1 L3 SC2, SC3, and SC5 - move from level 3 to level 2?
22:01:30 <wendy> we will send surveys on these items.
22:02:03 <wendy> s/surveys/survey
22:02:16 <wendy> Topic: guides that need work and who's working on them
22:02:18 <wendy> zakim, who's making noise?
22:02:30 <Zakim> wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kerstin_Goldsmith (28%), Gregg_and_Ben (66%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (13%), John_Slatin (29%)
22:02:46 <wendy> zakim, mute Kerstin
22:02:46 <Zakim> Kerstin_Goldsmith should now be muted
22:04:27 <wendy> latest notes. rough.
22:04:29 <wendy>     *  Guideline 1.3 L1 SC1 - Wendy, Loretta, Andi, David
22:04:30 <wendy>     * Guideline 1.3 L1 SC2 - Gregg
22:04:32 <wendy>     * Guideline 1.3 L2 SC1 - Gregg
22:04:34 <wendy>     * Guideline 1.3 L2 SC2 - ?? needs work ??
22:04:35 <wendy>     * Guideline 1.3 L3 SC1 - Loretta
22:04:36 <wendy>     * Guideline 1.4 L2 SC1 - Gregg. Add numbers for the algorithm then survey for review.
22:04:38 <wendy>     * Guideline 1.4 L3 SC1 - Gregg. Add numbers.
22:04:39 <wendy>     * Guideline 2.1 L1 SC1 - Gregg. New wording means changes needed to intent and perhaps addition of a couple notes.
22:04:41 <wendy>     * Guideline 2.2 L1 SC1 - Michael, Andi, Don (and maybe Alex) discuss server time-outs. Loretta and Gian to consider how to handle auction example. Several editorial changes needed related to intent section (adopt proposals from John, Gregg, and Andi)
22:04:43 <wendy>     * Guideline 2.2 L3 SC3 - Becky ask security expert about techniques. Becky and David ask for clarification from Roberto Scano about his comment in the survey (about IIS).
22:04:44 <wendy>     * Guideline 2.3 - Gregg
22:04:46 <wendy>     * Guideline 2.4 L1 SC1 - Andi, Wendy, Loretta, David (in conjunction with G1.3 L1 SC1)
22:04:48 <wendy>     * Guideline 2.4 L2 SC1 - Wendy, Becky, Alex
22:04:50 <wendy>     * Guideline 2.4 L3 SC4 - ?? there is alterantive wording of the SC but not clear that we agreed on it. Is someone supposed to work on proposal for new wording or adopt what's there?
22:04:53 <wendy>     * Guideline 4.2 L1 SC2 - waiting for editorial as well as 2.3 resolutions?
22:04:55 <wendy>     * Guideline 4.2 L1 SC5 - Gregg and Gez to write definitions.
22:04:57 <wendy>     * Guideline 4.2 L1 SC6 - lots of notes. needs cleaned up.
22:06:01 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow-Weaver
22:07:37 <wendy> http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Proposed_Guide_to_2.4_L2_SC4
22:08:59 <wendy> guideline 2.4 L2 SC4 - decided to wait for discussion. think it's ready to discuss.
22:09:35 <wendy> survey both wordings in survey
22:09:37 <wendy> ack kat
22:11:05 <wendy> Guideline 4.2 L1 SC6 http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_4.2_L1_SC_6
22:11:32 <wendy> michael sent email to list
22:12:02 <wendy> michael to work on 4.2 L1 SC6
22:13:27 <Yvette> zakim, unmute me
22:13:27 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
22:15:43 <wendy> instead of "guide" call "intent and best practice"
22:15:48 <wendy> what about "explation and examples"
22:17:06 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
22:17:07 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
22:17:08 <Zakim> -Wendy
22:17:08 <bengt> gnight
22:17:09 <Zakim> -Sofia_Celic
22:17:10 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Goldsmith
22:17:11 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
22:17:12 <Zakim> -Matt_May
22:17:14 <Zakim> -Gregg_and_Ben
22:17:15 <Zakim> -John_Slatin
22:17:15 <Yvette> wave
22:17:16 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
22:17:18 <Zakim> -Yvette_Hoitink
22:17:19 <Zakim> -Becky_Gibson
22:17:21 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
22:17:23 <Zakim> -Bengt_Farre
22:17:25 <Zakim> -Gez_Lemon
22:17:27 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
22:17:29 <Zakim> Attendees were Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre, Wendy, Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink, David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Katie_Haritos-Shea, +1.973.482.aaaa,
22:17:32 <Zakim> ... Gez_Lemon, Becky_Gibson, Michael_Cooper, Lisa_Seeman, John_Slatin, Roberto_Castaldo, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Matt_May, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Gian_Sampson-Wild
22:17:51 <wendy> RRSAgent, generate minutes
22:17:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/10/27-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
22:18:03 <ben> ben has left #wai-wcag
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22:41:29 <wendy> Meeting: WCAG WG weekly telecon
22:41:36 <wendy> chair: Gregg
22:41:50 <wendy> RRSAgent, generate minutes
22:41:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/10/27-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
22:42:02 <wendy> zakim, bye
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22:55:12 <wendy> RRSAgent, bye
22:55:12 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/27-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
22:55:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: bengt and lisa proposal for success criterion and guide document by monday to address concept coding. [1]
22:55:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/27-wai-wcag-irc#T20-45-40
22:55:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kerstin and makoto work on rewording of SC of about "shape and locaiton" and guide doc. [2]
22:55:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/27-wai-wcag-irc#T21-50-17