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19:10:25 <mnot> zakim, this will be ws_ad
19:10:25 <Zakim> ok, mnot; I see WS_AddrWG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 50 minutes
19:10:40 <mnot> Meeting: Web Services Addressing Working Group Teleconference
19:10:45 <mnot> Chair: Mark Nottingham
19:11:06 <mnot> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/BBA71019-D565-4E93-9BD7-A0EBD9B65497@bea.com
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19:58:43 <TonyR> zakim, ??p3 is me
19:58:43 <Zakim> +TonyR; got it
19:59:49 <Zakim> +MSEder
19:59:55 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:00:09 <MSEder> zakim,mute me
20:00:09 <Zakim> MSEder should now be muted
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20:02:50 <hugo> Zakim, drop hugo
20:02:50 <Zakim> Hugo is being disconnected
20:02:51 <Zakim> -Hugo
20:02:54 <Zakim> +Hugo
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20:06:29 <mnot> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:06:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andreas_Bjarlestam, +44.238.022.aaaa, Abbie_Barbir, TonyR, Mark_Peel, MSEder, [Microsoft], Nilo_Mitra, Tom_Rutt, Bob_Freund, MarkN, Mark_Peel/Katy_Warr,
20:06:32 <Zakim> ... Prasad_Yendluri, Hugo, Marc_Hadley, Pete_Wenzel, Steve_Vinoski, pauld, [IBM], [Microsoft.a], Anish, Dave_Hull
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20:07:02 <Arun> zakim, [sun] is me
20:07:02 <Zakim> +Arun; got it
20:07:04 <pauld> zakim, Microsoft.a contains Marsh
20:07:04 <Zakim> +Marsh; got it
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20:07:36 <MSEder> zakim,mute me
20:07:36 <Zakim> MSEder should now be muted
20:08:07 <hugo> Zakim, Mark_Peel/Katy_Warr really is Katy_Warr
20:08:08 <Zakim> I don't understand 'Mark_Peel/Katy_Warr really is Katy_Warr', hugo
20:08:25 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
20:08:28 <hugo> Zakim, Mark_Peel/Katy_Warr is really Katy_Warr
20:08:28 <Zakim> +Katy_Warr; got it
20:08:31 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
20:08:56 <pauld> zakim, Microsoft.a contains MarcGoodner
20:08:56 <Zakim> +MarcGoodner; got it
20:09:10 <pauld> zakim, Microsoft contains Marsh
20:09:10 <Zakim> +Marsh; got it
20:09:31 <MSEder> zakim,unmute me
20:09:31 <Zakim> MSEder should no longer be muted
20:09:48 <Zakim> + +1.831.332.aabb
20:10:15 <MSEder> zakim,mute me
20:10:15 <Zakim> MSEder should now be muted
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20:10:37 <MSEder> sribe: MSEder
20:10:44 <MSEder> scribe: MSEder
20:11:05 <MSEder> topic: agenda item 3
20:11:28 <mnot> {When "http://www.w3.org/@@@@/@@/addressing/anonymous" is specified as
20:11:28 <mnot> the address of an EPR, such as the ReplyTo or FaultTo EPR, the
20:11:28 <mnot> underlying SOAP protocol binding provides a channel to the specified
20:11:28 <mnot> endpoint. Any underlying protocol binding supporting the SOAP
20:11:28 <mnot> request-response message exchange pattern provides such a channel for
20:11:29 <mnot> response messages. For instance, the SOAP 1.2 HTTP binding[SOAP 1.2 Part
20:11:31 <mnot> 2: Adjuncts] puts the reply message in the HTTP response.
20:11:34 <mnot> }
20:11:35 <mnot> Note that the only difference with what is recorded in the minutes (and
20:11:37 <mnot> reflected to the CR resolution) and what I remember is the clause (",
20:11:39 <mnot> such as ...") which appears editorial, but I thought I should bring this
20:11:41 <mnot> up. In my opinion, my recollection provides clearer text, but I want to
20:11:43 <mnot> check since I want to send it to the ws-rx tc. 
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20:12:40 <GlenD> +1
20:12:41 <MSEder> text posted to IRC as resolution
20:13:09 <MSEder> resolution: no objections to Umits resolution from the face-to-face
20:13:14 <Zakim> +Umit_Yalcinalp
20:13:24 <Zakim> +JeffM
20:14:46 <MSEder> resolution: no objections to posting minutes from face-to-face with Umits amendments.
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20:15:23 <MSEder> resolution: no objections to posting minutes from last week's face-to-face
20:15:38 <MSEder> October 10, 2005
20:15:48 <Arun> brb
20:16:01 <MSEder> topic:review of action items
20:16:23 <MSEder> Marc has completed his action items
20:16:39 <MSEder> Umit will get to her items next week
20:16:47 <MSEder> Paul completed his action item
20:17:09 <MSEder> Anish has not been able to get to his action item
20:17:37 <MSEder> topic: 5 proposed and new issues
20:17:58 <MSEder> Katy will own the issue
20:18:06 <Arun> back
20:20:08 <anish> q+
20:20:21 <MSEder> Katy: summarizes the issue
20:20:26 <mnot> ack anish
20:21:41 <Zakim> +Dave_Orchard
20:21:52 <MSEder> topic: i065 - What to do when SOAPAction and Default Action Pattern conflict?
20:21:52 <MSEder> i065 - What to do when SOAPAction and Default Action Pattern conflict?
20:21:52 <MSEder> i065 - What to do when SOAPAction and Default Action Pattern conflict?
20:21:52 <MSEder> i065 - What to do when SOAPAction and Default Action Pattern conflict?
20:21:52 <MSEder> topic: i065 - What to do when SOAPAction and Default Action Pattern conflict?
20:22:50 <MSEder> discussion about changing the must to a should
20:23:36 <MSEder> a plus 1 from Glenn's cat
20:24:36 <MSEder> a number of people speaking for the original solution as proposed by Katy
20:26:33 <anish> q+
20:26:39 <Marsh> q+
20:27:18 <MSEder> Glenn: cleaner to keep WS-A action and soap action as the same thing
20:27:36 <mnot> ack anish
20:27:52 <GlenD> s/Glenn/Glen/g
20:29:05 <MSEder> Anish: value of soap action in WSDL has to be URI?
20:29:41 <mnot> ack Marsh
20:30:48 <Zakim> +DOrchard
20:30:52 <Zakim> -Dave_Orchard
20:32:19 <MSEder> Mark: wants to know if people are ready to close this issue
20:33:25 <MSEder> action: Katy to document the current proposals, and put them in an e-mail for next week
20:33:30 <marc> Need to consider which migration scenario is more important: WSDL without WS-Addr or WSDL with WS-Addr submission - that shoudl inform our discussion
20:33:35 <MSEder> resolution: Katy will document the current proposals in an e-mail for future discussion
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20:34:06 <MSEder> topic: agenda item 6 
20:34:23 <MSEder> resolution: wait for proposals
20:34:34 <marc> http://www.w3.org/mid/4B4D2001-302D-48CD-9FA4-C170E0891718@Sun.COM
20:35:03 <MSEder> topic: cr8 - SOAPAction
20:35:18 <MSEder> Marc: summarizes issue
20:36:42 <MSEder> Mark: by nature restricted a soap 1.1
20:36:48 <MSEder> Marc: Yes
20:38:17 <MSEder> Anish: what does soap 1.2 say
20:40:41 <MSEder> Marc: issue restricted to SOAP 1.1
20:41:07 <MSEder> resolution: accept Marc's proposal for cr8
20:41:39 <MSEder> mark: no more open CR issues
20:42:14 <Marsh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2005Oct/0055.html
20:42:33 <MSEder> Marsh: is there a CR issue about what action should be used for general purpose soap faults
20:43:40 <MSEder> ... why are we not saying anything about soap faults
20:43:55 <MSEder> ... proposal is to use our general URI
20:44:56 <MSEder> Marc: soap already has strict definition about what is the fault
20:45:59 <MSEder> ... does not see that we have to do this
20:47:42 <dhull> (I prefer "different from", "different to" just sounds British to me, "different than" bugs me, but it's not ungrammatical)
20:48:39 <MSEder> Marsh: maybe we need to talk more about faults
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20:50:28 <MSEder> resolution: Marsh will post this issue to the CR list
20:50:44 <MSEder> topic: CR testing
20:51:03 <MSEder> Paul: summarizes issue
20:51:04 <pauld> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2005Oct/0095.html
20:51:30 <MSEder> Paul: test suite with test cases being built up
20:53:53 <pauld> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2005Oct/att-0095/CR_TestCases-fixed.html
20:55:13 <MSEder> Mark: how should we proceed on this?
20:55:45 <MSEder> ... maybe we need an extra call or people go back and look at this
20:56:42 <MSEder> ... identify soon who is planning to do testing
20:57:36 <MSEder> Glen: Apache is planning to
20:57:48 <MSEder> Katy: IBM is planning to
20:58:08 <marc> Arun: Sun is planning to
20:58:08 <MSEder> Microsoft and Sun
20:59:19 <MSEder> Mark: should we have a separate testers call?
20:59:44 <MSEder> Glen: General agreement
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21:01:06 <Zakim> -Arun
21:01:07 <Zakim> -Tom_Rutt
21:01:08 <Zakim> -JeffM
21:01:09 <Zakim> -[IBM]
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21:01:30 <Zakim> -Anish
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21:01:34 <Zakim> -Pete_Wenzel
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21:01:40 <Zakim> -Katy_Warr
21:01:42 <Zakim> -Andreas_Bjarlestam
21:01:44 <Zakim> -Steve_Vinoski
21:02:12 <MSEder> Zakim, list participants 
21:02:12 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +44.238.022.aaaa, Abbie_Barbir, Mark_Peel, TonyR, MSEder, Nilo_Mitra, Tom_Rutt, Bob_Freund, MarkN, Prasad_Yendluri, Hugo, Marc_Hadley,
21:02:12 <MSEder> zakim, list partcipants
21:02:15 <Zakim> ... Pete_Wenzel, Steve_Vinoski, pauld, [IBM], Anish, Dave_Hull, Andreas_Bjarlestam, Arun, Marsh, GlenD, Katy_Warr, MarcGoodner, +1.831.332.aabb, Umit_Yalcinalp, JeffM,
21:02:17 <Zakim> ... Dave_Orchard, DOrchard
21:02:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'list partcipants', MSEder
21:02:37 <MSEder> RRSAgent, generate minutes
21:02:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/10/17-ws-addr-minutes.html MSEder
21:02:47 <MSEder> zakim, bye
21:02:47 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +44.238.022.aaaa, Abbie_Barbir, Mark_Peel, TonyR, MSEder, Nilo_Mitra, Tom_Rutt, Bob_Freund, MarkN, Prasad_Yendluri, Hugo, Marc_Hadley,
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21:02:53 <Zakim> ... Dave_Orchard, DOrchard
21:02:58 <MSEder> RRSAgent, bye
21:02:58 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/17-ws-addr-actions.rdf :
21:02:58 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Katy to document the current proposals, and put them in an e-mail for next week [1]
21:02:58 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/17-ws-addr-irc#T20-33-25