IRC log of wai-wcag on 2005-10-06
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/10/06-wai-wcag-irc
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- Meeting: WCAG WG
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- Chair: Gregg
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/0003.html
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- agenda+ Check-in and assignements for next guidelines (15 minutes)
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- agenda+ Team C: proposals, questions and updates (20 minutes)
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- agenda+ Team B: proposals, questions and updates: (20 minutes)
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- agenda+ Team A: proposals, questions and updates (20 minutes) survey results - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051004survey/results
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- regrets: Roberto Castaldo, John Slatin, Sebastiano Nutarelli, Bruno von Niman, WATANABE Takayuki, Michael Cooper, Andi Snow-Weaver, Luca Mascaro, Christophe Strobbe
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
- 19:49:58 [bengt]
- zakim, conferences ?
- 19:49:58 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, bengt.
- 19:50:06 [bengt]
- zakim, what conferences ?
- 19:50:07 [Zakim]
- I see XML_QueryWG(ttf)3:00PM, IA_Team()4:00AM active
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- also scheduled at this time are WAI_WCAG()4:00PM, WAI_UAWG()2:00PM
- 19:50:47 [bengt]
- zakim, this will be wai_wcag
- 19:50:47 [Zakim]
- ok, bengt; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
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- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
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- +Don_Evans
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- +??P2
- 20:00:21 [ben_]
- zakim, ??P2 is Gregg_and_Ben
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- +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
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- +Alex_Li
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- +Wendy
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, IPcaller is Roberto_Ellero
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- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 20:02:52 [rellero]
- zakim, +[IPcaller] is rellero
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- sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
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- 04 01zakim, [IPcaller] is rellero
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- zakim, mute me
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- sorry, rellero, I do not see a party named 'rellero'
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- zakim, rellero is roberto_elllero
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- sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named 'rellero'
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- zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
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- Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
- 20:04:44 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Don_Evans, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Wendy, Roberto_Ellero (muted)
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- noise
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- +Tim_Boland
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- +??P12
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- zakim, ??P12 is Sofia_Celic
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- +Sofia_Celic; got it
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- +??P13
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- zakim, ??p13 is Bengt_Farre
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- +Bengt_Farre; got it
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- +??P14
- 20:08:44 [wendy]
- team c - 1.3 (as well as 4.2 and 2.5)
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- team b - 2.4 (as well as 1.2 and 3.1)
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- team a - 2.2 (as well as 1.1 and 3.2)
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- gv and bc are doing 2.3, 2.1, and 1.4
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- editors are doing 4.1
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- then have all of them worked for f2f
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Check-in and assignements for next guidelines (15 minutes)" taken up [from wendy]
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- scribe: wendy
- 20:11:16 [rellero]
- luca and I have to make guide for guideline 1.2 Level 3 sc2
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- +[IBM]
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- zakim, ??P14 is Katie
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- +Katie; got it
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- zakim, [IBM] is Andi
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- +Andi; got it
- 20:13:01 [wendy]
- zakim, IBM is Andi
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- sorry, wendy, I do not recognize a party named 'IBM'
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- zakim, who's on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Don_Evans, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Wendy, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Sofia_Celic, Tim_Boland, Bengt_Farre, Katie, Andi
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- zakim, Katie is Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- +Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
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- zakim, Andi is Andi_Snow-Weaver
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- +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
- 20:14:31 [wendy]
- plan is to go into f2f with drafts of everything and come out with a WD
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "Team C: proposals, questions and updates (20 minutes)" taken up [from wendy]
- 20:16:18 [wendy]
- should have 2.5 guide documents for next week
- 20:18:34 [wendy]
- 1.3 has some guide document already - http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-GENERAL/guideline1.3.html
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- http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/ - there is not yet an entry for 1.3, but anyone can create (ask ben or wendy for instructions)
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- +??P16
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- zakim, ??P16 is Gian_Sampson-Wild
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- +Gian_Sampson-Wild; got it
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- 20:23:27 [wendy]
- face-to-face agenda: day 1 - 5 guidelines, day 2 - 5 guidelines, day 3 - 3 guidelines, conformance, checklist, day 4 - JIS, what's left, prep for november WD
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- also, mapping - updates as needed (to publish as appendix)
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "Team B: proposals, questions and updates: (20 minutes)" taken up [from wendy]
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- +David_MacDonald
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- 3.1 in good shape, 1.2 under way, 2.4 will need to alert the team
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4. "Team A: proposals, questions and updates (20 minutes) survey results - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051004survey/results" taken up [from wendy]
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- Issue 1488 Should L3 SC1 be removed?
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- -Don_Evans
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- +Don_Evans
- 20:33:31 [wendy]
- resolution: do not remove guideline 1.1 L3 SC1
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- concern about tools to generate collated transcripts
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- resolution: captions + audio descriptions would constitute a sufficient solution
- 20:36:00 [wendy]
- (previous resolution - do not remove...was not the resolution agreed on)
- 20:38:09 [wendy]
- no one supports moving this from level 3 to level 2 (even though is priority 1 in WCAG 1.0, as part of checkpoint 1.1)
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- unclear that audio description is part of transcript as worded, "For prerecorded multimedia content, a combined transcript of captions and audio descriptions of video is available."
- 20:42:22 [wendy]
- we mean "collated transcript" but were trying to avoid that phrase
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- action: gian propose rewrite of guideline 1.1 L3 sc 1
- 20:42:59 [wendy]
- resolution: reword but don't remove 1.1 l3 sc1
- 20:43:17 [wendy]
- Revise example 2 and close issue 1561
- 20:45:23 [wendy]
- concern that short label should provide the info that could be easily gleaned from a quick glance at the bar chart
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- concern about use of word "label" - a very charged word
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- use text alternative instead
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- a short text alternative says...a longer description...
- 20:52:24 [wendy]
- resolution: Example 2: a data chart. A bar chart compares how many widgets were sold in June, July, and August. A short text alternative says, "Figure one - Bar chart of sales in June, July and August." A longer description identifies the type of chart, provides a high-level summary of the data comparable to that available from the chart, and provides the data in a table
- 20:53:04 [wendy]
- resolution: close issue 1562
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- Issue 1698
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- oops.
- 20:53:47 [wendy]
- currently - Issue 1562
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- close issue 1561
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- resolution: Example 8: a traffic Web camera. A Web site allows end-users to select from a variety of Web cameras positioned throughout a major city to monitor traffic conditions. After a camera is selected, the image updates every 2 minutes. A short text alternative identifies the Web camera as, "Web camera view of traffic conditions at the corner of University and Park." The site also...
- 20:54:53 [wendy]
- ...provides a table of travel times for each of the routes covered by the Web cameras. The table information can be updated on request.
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- then close issue 1562
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- resolution: Close issue 1698
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- Issue 1703
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- RRSAgent, pointer?
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- See http://www.w3.org/2005/10/06-wai-wcag-irc#T20-59-26
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- resolution: close issue 1703
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- issue 895
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- -Andi_Snow-Weaver
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- resolution: close issue 895
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- feedback on Guide to Guideline 3.2 Level 1 Success Criterion 1
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- and guides for 3.2 Level 3 Success Criterion 1 and Guideline 3.2 Level 3 Success Criterion 2 - team a will take that feedback back to the group.
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- "it sounds so jargonistic"
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- +Becky_Gibson
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- RRSAgent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/10/06-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
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- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 21:19:56 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Wendy, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Sofia_Celic, Tim_Boland, Bengt_Farre, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Gian_Sampson-Wild,
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- ... David_MacDonald, Don_Evans, Becky_Gibson
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- -Sofia_Celic
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- -Don_Evans
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- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- -Tim_Boland
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- -Wendy
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- -Alex_Li
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- zakim, bye
- 21:28:27 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Don_Evans, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Wendy, Roberto_Ellero, Tim_Boland, Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre,
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- ... Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Gian_Sampson-Wild, David_MacDonald, Becky_Gibson
- 21:28:36 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 21:28:36 [RRSAgent]
- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/06-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: gian propose rewrite of guideline 1.1 L3 sc 1 [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/06-wai-wcag-irc#T20-42-35