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16:00:25 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
16:00:25 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()12:00PM scheduled to start now
16:00:50 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()12:00PM has now started
16:00:59 <Zakim> +Sandor_Herramhof
16:01:19 <Zakim> +??P1
16:01:22 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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16:01:45 <shadi> zakim, code?
16:01:45 <Zakim> the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), shadi
16:02:06 <Zakim> +Shadi
16:02:13 <Zakim> +??P3
16:03:02 <Sandor> agenda+
16:03:12 <Sandor> meeting: ERT WG
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16:03:26 <Sandor> Scribe: Sandor
16:03:35 <Sandor> Chair: Shadi
16:03:59 <Sandor> Regrets: Charles
16:04:21 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Oct/0006.html
16:04:42 <shadi> zakim, drop agendum 1
16:04:42 <Zakim> agendum 1, , dropped
16:04:47 <shadi> agenda+ Proposal for Location
16:05:18 <Zakim> +??P6
16:05:20 <shadi> zakim, p1 is really Chris
16:05:20 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named 'p1'
16:05:25 <shadi> zakim, ??p1 is really Chris
16:05:25 <Zakim> +Chris; got it
16:05:31 <shadi> zakim, ??p3 is really Nick
16:05:31 <Zakim> +Nick; got it
16:05:38 <shadi> zakim, ??p6 is really Carlos
16:05:38 <Zakim> +Carlos; got it
16:05:55 <niq> JibberJim: your turn ....
16:06:12 <shadi> agenda+ Evidence
16:06:22 <shadi> agenda+ F2F Topics
16:06:29 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:06:29 <Zakim> agendum 1. "" taken up [from Sandor]
16:06:33 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
16:06:33 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Proposal for Location" taken up [from shadi]
16:08:00 <Sandor> SA: Location can be single pointer, range, shadow location, compound (for unstructured) 
16:09:15 <Sandor> SA: todo: figure out composites. one location is for one mapping. several location pointers if there is more than instances 
16:11:11 <Sandor> SA: misuse of compound location a problem?
16:11:37 <Zakim> +Jim_Ley
16:12:07 <niq> you don't want to hear cough .. splutter .. blow nose
16:12:45 <niq> no, I'm fine with what you wrote
16:13:07 <CarlosI> q+
16:13:15 <shadi> ack CarlosI
16:13:18 <Sandor> SA: are there other types of location?
16:16:26 <Sandor> CI: heuristic tests in doc where error not located exactly - can we describe?
16:17:34 <Sandor> SA: probably possible with compound location
16:19:04 <Sandor> CI: case can occur where it's not clear what location type should be used
16:19:25 <JibberJim> q+
16:19:38 <shadi> ack JibberJim
16:20:27 <Sandor> JL: no problem if we can not always point to the exact problem
16:21:21 <Sandor> SA: ambiguity on the location types, clarify which type to which scenario to use
16:21:56 <Sandor> SA: will diff developers use different loc types? 
16:22:30 <niq> something like line/char or byte-offsets can't hope to correspond exactly over different tools
16:23:54 <niq> see the example in what I posted before: different validators
16:24:24 <Sandor> SA: <nik> ambiguity anyway with respect to line/char byte-offset, etc.
16:24:41 <niq> urls at the bottom of  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Sep/0012.html
16:25:05 <niq> not big problem, it's the same error
16:25:26 <niq> v.w.o: "Line 10 column 20:"
16:25:44 <niq> valet: "Line 11 char 1"
16:26:00 <Sandor> SA: have to provide good description of how to use line etc.
16:26:00 <niq> htmlhelp: "Line 11 char 2"
16:27:04 <Sandor> CI: problem for e.g. one specific testcase - and not knowing how to handle 
16:27:36 <Sandor> SA: tool would expect one of the four locs.
16:30:03 <Sandor> CI: will tools understand error independent of the location types used to describe it 
16:32:07 <Sandor> CR: ok
16:32:20 <Sandor> JK: ok
16:33:01 <Sandor> SA: all agree
16:34:04 <Sandor> SA: earl consuming tools must be able to handle all different loc. types
16:34:29 <Sandor> SA: next steps, refining classes, properties, etc
16:35:09 <niq> hmmm ....
16:35:34 <niq> will think about it, not sure if I have much to add to earlier discussion
16:35:48 <Sandor> SA: working on everything that belongs to single loc. class?
16:35:56 <shadi> &earl;Line
16:36:31 <niq> ah, that's what you're talkin'bout
16:36:56 <Sandor> SA: e.g. line (domain, range, line col have superclass)
16:36:59 <niq> can give that a try ...
16:37:06 <Sandor> NK: ok
16:37:08 <niq> :-(
16:37:31 <Sandor> action: work on sinle location location
16:38:00 <Sandor> zakim, close 2
16:38:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close 2', Sandor
16:38:21 <Sandor> zakim, close agendum 2
16:38:21 <Zakim> agendum 2, Proposal for Location, closed
16:38:22 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:38:23 <Zakim> 3. Evidence [from shadi]
16:38:48 <niq>  *and* 'cos chaals disagreed with everyone ...
16:39:37 <Sandor> SA: ruleset part of testcase - special part of testcase?
16:40:54 <niq> hehe
16:42:08 <Sandor> SA: waiting for charles' responds, continue on later call or f2f
16:43:19 <Sandor> SA: overall structure of the evidence class: properties to ease queries
16:43:49 <niq> aaargh!
16:43:57 <Sandor> SA: what to do with annotated reports - add assertor?
16:44:27 <niq> audit trail for assertions/assertors?
16:44:27 <JibberJim> maybe it was his illness finally killing him?
16:45:19 <niq> it's a new assertion - the previous assertion is evidence for the new one, yesno?
16:45:38 <Sandor> JL: modified assertion - more sort of signing the report (outside of the earl model)
16:46:48 <Sandor> JL: like signature of the file, trusted places, etc.
16:46:52 <niq> talking of trust, should we support pgp-signed reports?
16:49:24 <niq> zigackly
16:51:34 <Sandor> zakim, close agendum 3
16:51:34 <Zakim> agendum 3, Evidence, closed
16:51:35 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
16:51:36 <Zakim> 4. F2F Topics [from shadi]
16:51:53 <Sandor> SA: add evidence
16:52:26 <niq> aob is always the best item
16:54:55 <niq> beer brakes if you please - this is .de!
16:54:56 <Sandor> zakim, close agendum 4
16:54:56 <Zakim> agendum 4, F2F Topics, closed
16:54:57 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
16:55:10 <Zakim> -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
16:55:17 <Zakim> -Nick
16:55:19 <Zakim> -Jim_Ley
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16:55:21 <Zakim> -Shadi
16:55:25 <Zakim> -Carlos
16:55:48 <Zakim> -Sandor_Herramhof
16:58:54 <JibberJim> Hmm, I wonder if I could get from CGN to the meeting on the monday morning...
17:05:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Chris, in WAI_ERTWG()12:00PM
17:05:04 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()12:00PM has ended
17:05:06 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandor_Herramhof, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Shadi, Chris, Nick, Carlos, Jim_Ley
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20:13:14 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
20:13:19 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
20:13:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/10/04-er-minutes.html shadi
20:13:42 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
20:13:42 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/04-er-actions.rdf :
20:13:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: work on sinle location location [1]
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