IRC log of swbp on 2005-10-03

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16:56:42 [RalphS]: Meeting: SemWeb Best Practices and Deployment WG
16:56:45 [RalphS]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Oct/0006.html
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16:57:07 [Raphael]: hi all
16:57:13 [Zakim]: SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started
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16:58:24 [Zakim]: +Ralph
16:58:42 [Zakim]: +[UMD]
16:58:54 [RalphS]: zakim, [umd] is ChrisH
16:58:54 [Zakim]: +ChrisH; got it
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16:59:36 [RalphS]: zakim, [cwi] is Raphael
16:59:36 [Zakim]: +Raphael; got it
16:59:45 [Raphael]: thx Zakim :-)
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17:01:01 [RalphS]: Regrets: Phil, Libby, Deb, Alan, Jeff, DanBri, Fabien,
17:01:20 [guus]: regrets from me, wrt phone
17:01:45 [Zakim]: +??P4
17:01:46 [Zakim]: +Alistair_Miles (was ??P4)
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17:02:38 [RalphS]: Chair: Ralph
17:02:39 [Zakim]: +DavidB
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17:03:31 [aliman]: zakim, mute alistair
17:03:31 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles should now be muted
17:03:37 [RalphS]: BenjaminN: I'm on irc only today
17:03:45 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
17:03:47 [Zakim]: +Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen
17:03:52 [jjc]: Zakim, IPcaller is jjc
17:03:52 [Zakim]: +jjc; got it
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17:04:14 [Jacco]: zakim, mute jacco
17:04:14 [Zakim]: Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted
17:04:38 [RalphS]: zakim, aaaa is Giorgos
17:04:38 [Zakim]: +Giorgos; got it
17:04:45 [jjc]: Zakim, mute me
17:04:45 [Zakim]: jjc should now be muted
17:05:22 [RalphS]: Previous: 2005-09-19 http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html
17:05:34 [RalphS]: Topic: Admin
17:05:44 [RalphS]: zakim, list attendees
17:05:44 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been +30210772aaaa, Ralph, ChrisH, Raphael, Alistair_Miles, DavidB, Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen, jjc, Giorgos
17:05:48 [ChrisW]: I can join by phone if needed, but nothing to report in OEP.
17:05:52 [RalphS]: zakim, who's on the call?
17:05:52 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Giorgos, Raphael (muted), Ralph, ChrisH, Alistair_Miles (muted), DavidB, jjc (muted), Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen (muted)
17:06:49 [RalphS]: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 19 September telecon: http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html
17:07:01 [GaryNg]: GaryNg has joined #SWBP
17:07:21 [jjc]: aye
17:07:33 [RalphS]: RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 19 September telecon: http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html
17:07:50 [Jacco]: nope
17:08:06 [RalphS]: ACTION: Ralph create a registration page for the November f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-irc.html#T17-13-32]
17:08:10 [RalphS]: -- done
17:08:14 [RalphS]: -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35495/ftf-3/ Registration for Third F2F meeting
17:08:19 [Zakim]: +Gary_Ng
17:08:31 [Jacco]: zakim, unmute me
17:08:31 [Zakim]: Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should no longer be muted
17:08:38 [Raphael]: this web page needs a password to be accessed, no ?
17:09:11 [RalphS]: yes, you need your Member Access password for this form
17:09:12 [Jacco]: zakim, mute jacco
17:09:12 [Zakim]: Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted
17:09:29 [Jacco]: ok
17:10:03 [jjc]: Zakim, unmute me
17:10:03 [Zakim]: jjc should no longer be muted
17:10:07 [RalphS]: Ralph: are there others who may wish to attend by teleconf?
17:10:08 [Zakim]: -Giorgos
17:10:14 [jjc]: Zakim, mute me
17:10:14 [Zakim]: jjc should now be muted
17:10:18 [RalphS]: DBooth: possibly remote, will know soon
17:10:29 [RalphS]: Jeremy: expect to know later in the week whether I can attend in person
17:10:34 [jjc]: Zakim, unmute me
17:10:34 [Zakim]: jjc should no longer be muted
17:10:38 [Zakim]: +Giorgos
17:10:47 [jjc]: Zakim, mute me
17:10:47 [Zakim]: jjc should now be muted
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17:11:00 [RalphS]: ACTION: Ralph check on possibility of remote participation for f2f
17:11:40 [RalphS]: Guus, any progress on finding a dinner sponsor?
17:12:38 [RalphS]: Topic: 2. Liaisons
17:12:44 [GaryNg]: Zakim, mute me
17:12:44 [Zakim]: Gary_Ng should now be muted
17:13:05 [RalphS]: ACTION: Jeremy to brief the WG on use of IRIs in SPARQL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
17:13:06 [jjc]: Zakim, unmute me
17:13:06 [Zakim]: jjc should no longer be muted
17:13:16 [RalphS]: Jeremy: sent earlier today
17:14:13 [RalphS]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Oct/0014.html IRIs [Jeremy 2005-10-03]
17:14:18 [RalphS]: -- done
17:14:27 [guus]: MY action: I can sponsor the dinner from my Knowledge Web budget
17:14:38 [RalphS]: Guus, thank you!
17:15:07 [jjc]: Jeremy: this issue, of W3C recs depending on earlier versions of IRI (before standard status), being not quite compatible with the IRI standard impacts many recs
17:15:24 [RalphS]: Topic: 2.4 Protocol and Formats WG request
17:15:52 [RalphS]: ACTION: jjc review EARL requirements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
17:15:53 [RalphS]: -- done
17:16:22 [RalphS]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Oct/0020.html Review of EARL requirements [Jeremy 2005-10-03]
17:16:24 [guus]: sorry, no progress on 2.4
17:16:49 [RalphS]: Jeremy: shall I send this to PFWG as my personal comments on behalf of the WG?
17:16:50 [RalphS]: Ralph: yes
17:17:18 [RalphS]: ACTION: Alistair and Guus to help the WAI Protocol and Formats WG on their vocabulary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action07]
17:17:30 [aliman]: zakim, unmute alistair
17:17:30 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles was not muted, aliman
17:19:10 [RalphS]: -- continues
17:19:42 [RalphS]: Topic: 4. TF Updates
17:20:03 [RalphS]: zakim, who's on the call?
17:20:03 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Raphael (muted), Ralph, ChrisH, Alistair_Miles, DavidB, jjc, Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen (muted), Gary_Ng (muted), Giorgos
17:20:16 [RalphS]: Topic: 4.0 MM TF
17:21:03 [RalphS]: Giorgos: (see mail) -- first draft of a deliverable has been produced
17:21:38 [RalphS]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Oct/0004.html MM TF Schedule for f2f meeting in Galway [Girgos 2005-10-03]
17:21:57 [RalphS]: Giorgos: would like to schedule 2 telecons; this Wed and 21 Oct
17:22:11 [jjc]: q+ to suggest Wed may be too soon
17:22:33 [RalphS]: ... would like to have 2 reviewers review a document 1 week before the f2f
17:22:43 [RalphS]: ... Mike Uschold has volunteered to be 1 reviewer
17:23:35 [Jacco]: zakim, unmute me
17:23:35 [Zakim]: Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should no longer be muted
17:24:12 [RalphS]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0138.html [MM/admin] First version of first deliverable [Jacco 2005-09-30]
17:24:14 [Zakim]: jjc, you wanted to suggest Wed may be too soon
17:24:44 [RalphS]: Jeremy: TF participants should read this draft before first telecon, is Wed too soon?
17:24:54 [RalphS]: Jacco: the idea for the Wed telecon is to distribute the work
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17:26:16 [TomB]: Is the call underway? I'm dialing in...
17:26:16 [RalphS]: -> http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/TeleconferenceHowTo.htm Teleconference How-To
17:26:24 [jjc]: (call underway)
17:27:22 [Jacco]: zakim, mute me
17:27:22 [Zakim]: Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted
17:27:34 [RalphS]: Topic: 4.1 PORT
17:27:40 [Zakim]: + +1.310.765.aabb
17:27:58 [RalphS]: Alistair: Ralph sent his review of SKOS Core proposals
17:28:03 [aliman]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Oct/0021.html
17:28:11 [RalphS]: ... we're following up on his suggestions
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17:28:18 [aliman]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0079.html
17:28:22 [RalphS]: ... see my mail for f2f planning
17:28:58 [Zakim]: +??P10
17:29:12 [RalphS]: zakim, ??p10 is Natasha
17:29:12 [Zakim]: +Natasha; got it
17:29:18 [RalphS]: aabb is TomB
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17:29:41 [RalphS]: Topic: 4.2 OEP
17:29:46 [ChrisW]: nothing to report
17:29:52 [ChrisW]: all actions continued
17:30:10 [aliman]: chrisw is the QCR note ready to review?
17:30:14 [ChrisW]: yes
17:30:20 [RalphS]: Natasha: we're working on Semantic Integration, may have something ready for f2f
17:30:28 [aliman]: where's the version I should review?
17:30:36 [RalphS]: ACTION: GUUS to approve new version of simple part note going to first WD [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes.html#action06]
17:30:38 [ChrisW]: oh, wait, I take that back - QCR note is NOT ready to review (sorry)
17:30:41 [RalphS]: -- continues
17:30:58 [jjc]: Zakim, mute me
17:30:58 [Zakim]: jjc should now be muted
17:31:05 [aliman]: ok, will wait on ChrisW to nudge me when QCR is ready
17:31:12 [ChrisW]: ack
17:31:14 [guus]: please continue my review action
17:31:20 [RalphS]: Natasha: waiting for Guus' comments on N-ary relations
17:31:23 [RalphS]: ACTION: Alistair to review Qualified Cardinality note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action09]
17:31:36 [RalphS]: ACTION: Guus to review OWL Time note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action10]
17:31:40 [RalphS]: -- continues
17:31:59 [RalphS]: ACTION: Jeremy to ask HP folks about reviewing Semantic Integration note, which will be ready for review near the F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action11]
17:32:14 [jjc]: Zakim, unmute me
17:32:14 [Zakim]: jjc should no longer be muted
17:32:41 [jjc]: Zakim, mute me
17:32:41 [Zakim]: jjc should now be muted
17:32:52 [RalphS]: Jeremy: I've asked for a reviewer, don't yet have a response
17:33:01 [RalphS]: ACTION: Libby to review OWL Time note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action12]
17:33:04 [RalphS]: -- continues
17:33:25 [RalphS]: Chris, anything you can type about status of OWL Time?
17:33:35 [ChrisW]: OWL TIme is ready for review
17:33:54 [ChrisW]: definitely
17:33:57 [Jacco]: i cannot find a url for owl time in the minutes...
17:34:12 [RalphS]: Chris, could you provide us a pointer pls?
17:34:16 [Jacco]: can you put up one?
17:34:34 [RalphS]: Topic: 4.3 WordNet
17:34:40 [RalphS]: (no representatives)
17:34:44 [ChrisW]: go to the OEP web page
17:34:51 [ChrisW]: all the notes & drafts are there
17:34:52 [RalphS]: Topic: 4.4 XML Schema datatypes
17:34:59 [jjc]: Zakim, unmute me
17:34:59 [Zakim]: jjc should no longer be muted
17:35:03 [aliman]: guus how do you think we should approach liason with PFWG? I read their initial message but its not very specific.
17:35:29 [RalphS]: Jeremy: we have a working draft that presents alternatives
17:35:46 [Raphael]: OWL Time: http://www.isi.edu/~pan/SWBP/time-ontology-note/time-ontology-note.html
17:35:48 [ChrisW]: OEP Web Page: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/
17:36:03 [Raphael]: Time Zone: http://www.isi.edu/~pan/SWBP/time-zone-note/time-zone-note.html
17:36:07 [RalphS]: Jeremy: we've had a response (from HP) that one of the alternatives is not a good choice
17:36:12 [aliman]: zakim, mute alistair
17:36:12 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles should now be muted
17:36:29 [RalphS]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Oct/0010.html [XSCH] F2F thoughts [Jeremy 2005-10-03]
17:37:57 [RalphS]: ACTION: JeffP to draft a response to dave reynolds [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action09]
17:38:00 [RalphS]: -- continues
17:38:02 [ChrisW]: zakim, who is on the phone?
17:38:02 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Raphael (muted), Ralph, ChrisH, Alistair_Miles (muted), DavidB, jjc, Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen (muted), Gary_Ng (muted), Giorgos, +1.310.765.aabb, Natasha
17:38:34 [TomB]: zakim, mute me
17:38:34 [Zakim]: sorry, TomB, I do not see a party named 'TomB'
17:38:38 [RalphS]: Topic: Vocabulary management
17:38:41 [Zakim]: +David_Wood
17:38:45 [jjc]: Zakim, mute me
17:38:46 [Zakim]: jjc should now be muted
17:38:50 [TomB]: zakim, unmute me
17:38:50 [Zakim]: sorry, TomB, I do not see a party named 'TomB'
17:39:11 [ChrisW]: i think you are aabb TomB
17:39:36 [RalphS]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Oct/0012.html Tom's report on 27 Sep VMTF telecon
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17:40:25 [RalphS]: TomB: we reached consensus on a deliverable to help people understand what to serve at a namespace URI
17:40:37 [aliman]: q+ to mention URI dereferencing stuff
17:40:48 [aliman]: zakim, unmute me
17:40:48 [Zakim]: sorry, aliman, I do not see a party named 'aliman'
17:40:54 [aliman]: zakim, unmute alistair
17:40:54 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles should no longer be muted
17:41:01 [RalphS]: ... we expect to be able to document a common solution between Dublin Core, SKOS, and FOAF
17:41:10 [RalphS]: ... this would create a nice example that others can follow
17:41:13 [dwood_]: zakim, mute me
17:41:13 [Zakim]: sorry, dwood_, I do not see a party named 'dwood_'
17:41:24 [Zakim]: aliman, you wanted to mention URI dereferencing stuff
17:41:24 [dwood_]: zakim, DaveW is dwood
17:41:26 [Zakim]: sorry, dwood_, I do not recognize a party named 'DaveW'
17:41:36 [aliman]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0116.html
17:41:43 [RalphS]: zakim, nick dwood_ is David_Wood
17:41:43 [Zakim]: ok, RalphS, I now associate dwood_ with David_Wood
17:41:58 [aliman]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Oct/0024.html
17:42:03 [dwood_]: zakim, mute me
17:42:03 [Zakim]: David_Wood should now be muted
17:42:13 [RalphS]: Alistair: I've shown how to implement part of this in apache
17:42:24 [RalphS]: DWood: is this using 303 redirect?
17:42:36 [RalphS]: Alistair: yes
17:42:40 [dwood_]: s/DWood/David Booth/
17:43:13 [RalphS]: Alistair: redirect is based on the content-type requested
17:43:23 [RalphS]: ... would like feedback on whether this is or is not a good idea
17:43:47 [RalphS]: TomB: DCMI has a problem with 303 redirects for historical reasons, as we depend on the purl.org service
17:45:34 [RalphS]: Topic: 4.6 RDF-in-HTML
17:45:45 [jjc]: me
17:45:48 [TomB]: zakim mute me
17:45:59 [RalphS]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Sep/0024.html meeting record: 2005-09-27 RDF-in-XHTML TF telecon
17:47:05 [jjc]: Zakim, unmute me
17:47:05 [Zakim]: jjc should no longer be muted
17:47:19 [aliman]: sorry, just clarifying for benefit of minutes ... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0116.html is a proposed URI dereferencing policy for SKOS Core (a 'hash' RDF namespace) ...
17:47:57 [RalphS]: Ralph: the TF is discussing a proposal for a syntax that would permit expressing both URIs and QNames within an XML Attribute
17:48:06 [aliman]: and ... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Oct/0024.html describes how to implement this policy using apache directives ... would very much appreciate comments (i.e. do this/don't do this) from WG
17:48:39 [RalphS]: ACTION: Jeremy write a formal description of the CURI proposal for WG consideratoin
17:48:49 [aliman]: zakim, mute alistair
17:48:49 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles should now be muted
17:49:37 [RalphS]: Jeremy: the proposal also addresses the blank node issue
17:50:11 [RalphS]: ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have
17:50:11 [RalphS]: use cases for GRDDL
17:50:34 [RalphS]: Ralph: propose to withdraw this action?
17:50:41 [jjc]: Zakim, mute me
17:50:41 [Zakim]: jjc should now be muted
17:50:47 [RalphS]: -- withdrawn
17:51:07 [RalphS]: ACTION: DanBri to ask TF for sign-off on putting the draft xhtml vocab to the WG for review. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes.html#action09]
17:51:24 [RalphS]: -- continues
17:51:31 [RalphS]: Topic: 4.7 ADTF
17:52:40 [RalphS]: Ralph: we've decided that the machine break-in was non-destructive and intend to put the blog back on the Net
17:52:54 [RalphS]: Topic: RDFTM
17:53:07 [RalphS]: (no representative)
17:53:13 [RalphS]: Topic: Tutorial Page
17:53:28 [RalphS]: ACTION: Guus to ping Benjamin and Jeff about the Tutorial Page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action08]
17:53:33 [RalphS]: Guus?
17:53:45 [BenjaminNguyen]: was this regarding an old action ?
17:53:57 [RalphS]: yes, Benjamin
17:54:00 [ewallace]: ewallace has joined #swbp
17:54:07 [RalphS]: can you give us an update on the status of the tutorial page?
17:54:07 [BenjaminNguyen]: I made a post in july regarding jeff's ping
17:54:22 [BenjaminNguyen]: status is the following
17:54:24 [aliman]: q+ to ask ralph about language variants of SKOS Core spec
17:54:42 [BenjaminNguyen]: page is up and I made all modifications received up till july
17:54:49 [BenjaminNguyen]: I have received nothing more to add since then
17:55:01 [RalphS]: ok, thanks, Benjamin
17:55:27 [RalphS]: action Guus done, then
17:55:39 [Zakim]: +Evan_Wallace
17:55:43 [RalphS]: Topic: SE TF
17:56:23 [RalphS]: (no representative)
17:56:32 [aliman]: zakim, unmute alistair
17:56:32 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles should no longer be muted
17:56:37 [Zakim]: aliman, you wanted to ask ralph about language variants of SKOS Core spec
17:56:58 [jjc]: ralph 2.1 was skipped over waiting for David
17:57:13 [RalphS]: Alistair: when we publish a revised SKOS WD, should we publish all the variants or can we publish just the English version?
17:57:51 [jjc]: q+ to comment about legalese
17:57:53 [RalphS]: ... it would be nice to publish all the translations as a set but I don't speak all the languages
17:58:04 [RalphS]: Ralph: publishing a WD is a great way to solicit those comments
17:58:43 [jjc]: Zakim, unmute me
17:58:43 [Zakim]: jjc should no longer be muted
17:58:50 [Zakim]: jjc, you wanted to comment about legalese
17:59:11 [RalphS]: Jeremy: the practice in W3C is that the [US] English version is normative
18:00:46 [dwood_]: zakim, unmute me
18:00:46 [Zakim]: David_Wood should no longer be muted
18:00:51 [jjc]: Zakim, mute me
18:00:51 [Zakim]: jjc should now be muted
18:01:10 [RalphS]: ACTION: DavidWood and Brian to review SPARQL Last Call document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action04]
18:01:17 [RalphS]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0087.html SPARQL Protocol Review and Comments [DWood 2005-09-20]
18:01:19 [aliman]: q+ to ask about postponed issues for sparql
18:01:28 [RalphS]: David's review done
18:02:02 [RalphS]: DWood: my comments led to a long discussion between the editors
18:02:45 [RalphS]: ... I didn't want to see a requirement in the SPARQL protocol for an illegal use of WSDL 2.0
18:03:33 [giorgos]: Zakim, mute me
18:03:33 [Zakim]: Giorgos should now be muted
18:03:41 [Zakim]: - +1.310.765.aabb
18:03:43 [RalphS]: ... editors were questioning ehther I was supportive or dismissive of WSDL 2 integration
18:03:53 [TomB]: (still on irc)
18:03:56 [RalphS]: ... I support WSDL 2 bindings but want them to be legal
18:04:26 [RalphS]: ... the SPARQL language is still in Last Call; would the WG like my review of that as well?
18:05:25 [RalphS]: ... I expect DAWG would like review from SWBPD for both the Language and the Protocol
18:05:32 [RalphS]: ... I think Brian intended to review the Language
18:06:00 [RalphS]: ACTION: David Wood draft SPARQL Language review on behalf of the WG
18:06:22 [RalphS]: zakim, who's on the call?
18:06:22 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Raphael (muted), Ralph, ChrisH, Alistair_Miles, DavidB, jjc (muted), Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen (muted), Gary_Ng (muted), Giorgos (muted), Natasha, David_Wood,
18:06:25 [Zakim]: ... Evan_Wallace
18:07:23 [Zakim]: -Natasha
18:08:12 [jjc]: On translations - the Ruby recommendation, which is primarily targeted at Japanese, was published on 31st May 2001, and translation came out 3rd August 2001. Conclusion: even when Japanese would have been a well-motivated normative language, the rule of US English first was followed
18:08:18 [aliman]: I skimmed David's review, seemed good but don't have nearly enough tech savvy (or time :) to do a proper review
18:08:58 [RalphS]: DBooth: I thought DavidW's review was fine
18:09:21 [RalphS]: ... what coordination is taking place with the WSDL folk?
18:09:38 [RalphS]: DWood: it's the DAWG's task to do that coordination
18:09:39 [jjc]: Zakim, mute me
18:09:39 [Zakim]: jjc was already muted, jjc
18:10:47 [RalphS]: DWood: there's a not insubstantial amount of work needed to resolve the technical issue
18:11:07 [RalphS]: ... I don't think this work can be done during Candidate Rec phase
18:12:55 [jjc]: q+ to talk about OWL experience
18:13:14 [RalphS]: DWood: DAWG would have to give up some features in SPARQL Protocol
18:13:53 [RalphS]: ... I fear that the WSDL community is big enough that if SPARQL protocol is non-conformant, it will lead to SPARQL not being implemented
18:14:32 [RalphS]: DBooth: the WSDL work has been going on for a long time. I was part of it at one time. I would not expect the WG to be very receptive to making changes at this point.
18:14:35 [Zakim]: -ChrisH
18:14:49 [jjc]: Zakim, unmute me
18:14:49 [Zakim]: jjc should no longer be muted
18:15:15 [RalphS]: Jeremy: WebOnt completed before RDF Core WG finished
18:15:29 [RalphS]: ... we waited for a few months while RDF Core finished and this did not do any harm
18:15:36 [Zakim]: jjc, you wanted to talk about OWL experience
18:16:30 [RalphS]: ... it's not a bad thing for a WG to wait; didn't need to hold telecons during that period
18:16:58 [RalphS]: DBooth: I endorse David Wood's message that SPARQL should conform to WSDL 2
18:17:20 [Zakim]: aliman, you wanted to ask about postponed issues for sparql
18:18:11 [RalphS]: DBooth: propose that SWBPD recommend to DAWG that the SPARQL Protocol conform to WSDL 2.0
18:18:39 [RalphS]: ... speaking personally, not for HP
18:20:33 [Zakim]: +
18:21:18 [Zakim]: -
18:21:24 [RalphS]: DWood: DanC forwarded my message to the public-rdf-dawg-comments
18:21:55 [RalphS]: Evan: I second the proposal
18:22:10 [RalphS]: any objections?
18:22:44 [RalphS]: DavidW: there is continuing discussion under the thread "WSDL happiness" in public-rdf-dawg
18:22:54 [dwood_]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JulSep/0530.html
18:23:25 [RalphS]: no objections?
18:23:36 [aliman]: sounds sensible to me
18:23:38 [RalphS]: please type your name if you are in favor of this resolution
18:23:42 [Jacco]: aye
18:23:45 [dwood_]: dwood is in favor
18:23:54 [ewallace]: Evan is in favor
18:24:11 [RalphS]: Ralph (speaking individually)
18:24:12 [jjc]: Zakim, unmute me
18:24:12 [Zakim]: jjc was not muted, jjc
18:24:16 [BenjaminNguyen]: abstain
18:25:06 [RalphS]: RESOLVED that SWBPD recommend to DAWG that the SPARQL Protocol conform to WSDL 2.0
18:27:09 [RalphS]: ACTION: Ralph report WSDL 2.0 resolution to DAWG (after 24 hours)
18:27:58 [RalphS]: Alistair: my requirement is to get the contents of RDF Lists
18:28:18 [RalphS]: ... that's not in the current Language; I see the issue marked as Postponed on DAWG issues list
18:28:41 [RalphS]: ... what does 'postponed' mean? how long?
18:29:14 [RalphS]: Ralph: generally, I think 'postponed' means "until the next group is chartered"
18:30:03 [RalphS]: next meeting Monday, October 17
18:30:10 [RalphS]: [adjourned]
18:30:12 [Zakim]: -Evan_Wallace
18:30:13 [Zakim]: -Gary_Ng
18:30:15 [Zakim]: -David_Wood
18:30:16 [Zakim]: -Alistair_Miles
18:30:17 [Zakim]: -DavidB
18:30:17 [BenjaminNguyen]: bye all
18:31:20 [giorgos]: bye
18:31:21 [Zakim]: -Ralph
18:31:23 [Zakim]: -Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen
18:31:33 [Zakim]: -jjc
18:32:02 [RalphS]: rrsagent, please make this record public
18:32:12 [RalphS]: rrsagent, please draft minutes
18:32:12 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-minutes.html RalphS
18:33:28 [RalphS]: zakim, list attendees
18:33:28 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been +30210772aaaa, Ralph, ChrisH, Raphael, Alistair_Miles, DavidB, Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen, jjc, Giorgos, Gary_Ng, +1.310.765.aabb, Natasha,
18:33:32 [Zakim]: ... David_Wood, Evan_Wallace,
18:36:03 [Zakim]: -Giorgos
18:37:28 [Raphael]: Raphael has left #swbp
18:41:04 [Zakim]: disconnecting the lone participant, Raphael, in SW_BPD()1:00PM
18:41:06 [Zakim]: SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended
18:41:07 [Zakim]: Attendees were +30210772aaaa, Ralph, ChrisH, Raphael, Alistair_Miles, DavidB, Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen, jjc, Giorgos, Gary_Ng, +1.310.765.aabb, Natasha, David_Wood, Evan_Wallace,
18:58:02 [jjc]: jjc has left #swbp
20:21:08 [RalphS]: zakim, bye
20:21:08 [Zakim]: Zakim has left #swbp
20:21:12 [RalphS]: rrsagent, bye
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: I see 18 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-actions.rdf :
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Ralph create a registration page for the November f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-irc.html#T17-13-32] [1]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T17-08-06
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Ralph check on possibility of remote participation for f2f [2]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T17-11-00
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Jeremy to brief the WG on use of IRIs in SPARQL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [3]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T17-13-05
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: jjc review EARL requirements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [4]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T17-15-52
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Alistair and Guus to help the WAI Protocol and Formats WG on their vocabulary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action07] [5]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T17-17-18
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: GUUS to approve new version of simple part note going to first WD [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes.html#action06] [6]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T17-30-36
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Alistair to review Qualified Cardinality note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action09] [7]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T17-31-23
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Guus to review OWL Time note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action10] [8]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T17-31-36
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Jeremy to ask HP folks about reviewing Semantic Integration note, which will be ready for review near the F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action11] [9]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T17-31-59
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Libby to review OWL Time note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action12] [10]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T17-33-01
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: JeffP to draft a response to dave reynolds [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action09] [11]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T17-37-57
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Jeremy write a formal description of the CURI proposal for WG consideratoin [12]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T17-48-39
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have [13]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T17-50-11
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: DanBri to ask TF for sign-off on putting the draft xhtml vocab to the WG for review. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes.html#action09] [14]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T17-51-07
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Guus to ping Benjamin and Jeff about the Tutorial Page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action08] [15]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T17-53-28
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: DavidWood and Brian to review SPARQL Last Call document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action04] [16]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T18-01-10
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: David Wood draft SPARQL Language review on behalf of the WG [17]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T18-06-00
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Ralph report WSDL 2.0 resolution to DAWG (after 24 hours) [18]
20:21:12 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/03-swbp-irc#T18-27-09