IRC log of wai-wcag on 2005-09-29
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 20:01:57 [RRSAgent]
- RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag
- 20:01:58 [RRSAgent]
- logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/09/29-wai-wcag-irc
- 20:01:59 [rellero]
- zakim, IPcaller is rellero
- 20:01:59 [Zakim]
- +rellero; got it
- 20:02:01 [LucaMascaro]
- zakim, Luca_Mascaro is LucaMascaro
- 20:02:01 [Zakim]
- +LucaMascaro; got it
- 20:02:04 [rscano]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 20:02:04 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Roberto_Scano, Bengt_Farre, LucaMascaro, Gregg_and_Ben, Andi, David_MacDonald, Alex_Li, rellero, Christophe_Strobbe
- 20:02:06 [LucaMascaro]
- zakim, mute me
- 20:02:07 [Zakim]
- +Michael_Cooper
- 20:02:08 [Zakim]
- LucaMascaro should now be muted
- 20:02:18 [rcastaldo]
- rcastaldo has joined #wai-wcag
- 20:02:18 [rellero]
- zakim, rellero is Roberto_Ellero
- 20:02:18 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 20:02:27 [rcastaldo]
- HI folks :)
- 20:02:28 [gregg]
- gregg has joined #wai-wcag
- 20:02:30 [ben_]
- Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
- 20:02:34 [LucaMascaro]
- Hi roberto
- 20:02:35 [Becky]
- zakim, I am Becky_Gibson
- 20:02:35 [Zakim]
- ok, Becky, I now associate you with Becky_Gibson
- 20:02:51 [rscano]
- zakim, mute me
- 20:02:51 [Zakim]
- Roberto_Scano should now be muted
- 20:02:55 [Zakim]
- +??P12
- 20:03:09 [rellero]
- Hi
- 20:03:15 [rcastaldo]
- Ciao
- 20:03:17 [rellero]
- ciao
- 20:03:23 [ben_]
- zakim, who is here
- 20:03:23 [Zakim]
- ben_, you need to end that query with '?'
- 20:03:28 [ben_]
- zakim, who is here?
- 20:03:28 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Roberto_Scano (muted), Bengt_Farre, LucaMascaro (muted), Gregg_and_Ben, Andi, David_MacDonald, Alex_Li, Roberto_Ellero,
- 20:03:31 [Zakim]
- ... Christophe_Strobbe, Michael_Cooper, ??P12
- 20:03:33 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see gregg, rcastaldo, RRSAgent, Michael, Andi, Christophe, rellero, David, ben_, Zakim, Becky, LucaMascaro, rscano, bengt
- 20:03:35 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P12 is Roberto_Castaldo
- 20:03:35 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Castaldo; got it
- 20:03:36 [ben_]
- zakim, ??P12 is Roberto_Castaldo
- 20:03:36 [Zakim]
- I already had ??P12 as Roberto_Castaldo, ben_
- 20:03:47 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 20:04:03 [ben_]
- zakim, [Microsoft] is Rob_Haverty
- 20:04:03 [Zakim]
- +Rob_Haverty; got it
- 20:04:14 [ben_]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:04:14 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Roberto_Scano (muted), Bengt_Farre, LucaMascaro (muted), Gregg_and_Ben, Andi, David_MacDonald, Alex_Li, Roberto_Ellero,
- 20:04:18 [Zakim]
- ... Christophe_Strobbe, Michael_Cooper, Roberto_Castaldo, Rob_Haverty
- 20:04:48 [rscano]
- Me thing: this is a "Rob" mania :)
- 20:05:25 [ben_]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0882.html
- 20:05:34 [ben_]
- chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden
- 20:05:56 [ben_]
- agenda+ Check-in and assignements for next guidelines (15 minutes)
- 20:06:05 [ben_]
- agenda+ Team B: proposals and updates: (30 minutes)
- 20:06:06 [Zakim]
- +Doyle_Burnett
- 20:06:16 [ben_]
- agenda+ Team C: proposals and updates (30 minutes)
- 20:06:30 [ben_]
- agenda+ Team A: proposals and updates (30 minutes)
- 20:09:12 [ben_]
- zakim, Doyle_Burnett is Tim_Boland
- 20:09:12 [Zakim]
- +Tim_Boland; got it
- 20:10:12 [ben_]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
- 20:10:15 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Check-in and assignements for next guidelines (15 minutes)" taken up [from ben_]
- 20:10:52 [ben_]
- scribe: ben_
- 20:11:32 [ben_]
- gv: next couple weeks - important to get rough drafts of guide docs and techniques in place before Oct. F2F
- 20:14:10 [ben_]
- gv: wiki is also available for use in generating drafts http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/
- 20:15:21 [ben_]
- zakim, close this item
- 20:15:21 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 closed
- 20:15:22 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 20:15:24 [Zakim]
- 2. Team B: proposals and updates: (30 minutes) [from ben_]
- 20:15:27 [ben_]
- zakim, take up agendum 2
- 20:15:27 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Team B: proposals and updates: (30 minutes)" taken up [from ben_]
- 20:15:58 [ben_]
- Team B Survey Results: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20050928-teamb/results
- 20:17:23 [ben_]
- Issue 1446 - http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1446
- 20:20:20 [rcastaldo]
- ok
- 20:20:23 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Ellero
- 20:20:25 [LucaMascaro]
- i agree
- 20:21:50 [rscano]
- me too
- 20:22:03 [ben_]
- resolution: adopt proposed SC as advisory technique to the guide to guideline 3.1.
- 20:22:57 [ben_]
- Issue 1398 - http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1398
- 20:23:11 [Christophe]
- zakim, mute me
- 20:23:11 [Zakim]
- Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
- 20:25:38 [Christophe]
- zakim, unmute me
- 20:25:38 [Zakim]
- Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
- 20:28:30 [ben_]
- resolution: accept proposed resolution to 1398
- 20:28:41 [Zakim]
- -LucaMascaro
- 20:29:09 [ben_]
- Issue 1402 - http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1402
- 20:29:21 [Zakim]
- +??P4
- 20:29:36 [LucaMascaro]
- zakim, ?? is LucaMascaro
- 20:29:36 [Zakim]
- +LucaMascaro; got it
- 20:29:40 [LucaMascaro]
- zakim, mute me
- 20:29:40 [Zakim]
- LucaMascaro should now be muted
- 20:31:53 [gregg]
- ack l
- 20:31:59 [gregg]
- ack t
- 20:37:40 [Christophe]
- q+
- 20:40:17 [Christophe]
- q-
- 20:42:13 [ben_]
- action: team b to address christophe's issue (a.m., e.g., i.e, and other latin expansions aren't typicall meaningful to the user)
- 20:42:56 [ben_]
- resolution: close 1402
- 20:43:06 [ben_]
- resolution: close 1403 and 814
- 20:43:17 [ben_]
- resolution: close 1405
- 20:44:17 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Scano
- 20:44:17 [ben_]
- resolution: close 1448 (change "YOUR OWN" to "the language of the delivery unit)
- 20:44:53 [ben_]
- s/typicall/typically
- 20:45:05 [ben_]
- resolution: close issue 1551
- 20:45:41 [rscano]
- rscano has left #wai-wcag
- 20:45:48 [ben_]
- resolution: close issue 1566
- 20:49:34 [Zakim]
- -Tim_Boland
- 20:53:31 [Andi]
- q+
- 20:53:49 [bengt]
- my response was actually that I dont agree with the reviewers, and the burden on the authors are justified to link to some dictionary.
- 20:53:58 [ben_]
- q- alex
- 20:54:01 [ben_]
- ack andi
- 20:57:07 [bengt]
- gregg, refresh results I clicked on wron item ;)
- 20:59:53 [ben_]
- resolution: close issue 1628 once benefits and intent for these SC are cleaned up
- 21:01:44 [Christophe]
- zakim, mute me
- 21:01:44 [Zakim]
- Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
- 21:01:51 [ben_]
- resolution: close issue 1629
- 21:02:20 [ben_]
- resolution: close issue 1712
- 21:02:46 [Christophe]
- zakim, unmute me
- 21:02:46 [Zakim]
- Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
- 21:04:10 [ben_]
- action: becky to incorporate Christophe's comments related to abbr and IE into guide doc draft
- 21:04:19 [ben_]
- resolution: close issue 1745
- 21:04:35 [ben_]
- resolution: close issue 495
- 21:04:48 [ben_]
- resolution: close issue 853
- 21:05:06 [ben_]
- zakim, close this item
- 21:05:06 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 closed
- 21:05:07 [Zakim]
- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 21:05:08 [Zakim]
- 3. Team C: proposals and updates (30 minutes) [from ben_]
- 21:05:26 [ben_]
- Team C survey results: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamc-2/results
- 21:05:36 [ben_]
- zakim, take up agendum 3
- 21:05:36 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Team C: proposals and updates (30 minutes)" taken up [from ben_]
- 21:07:47 [ben_]
- discussing: proposed definition of "input error"
- 21:10:46 [ben_]
- resolution: define "input error" as: Any information provided by the user that is not accepted by the content or server. This includes:
- 21:10:46 [ben_]
- * information that is required but omitted by the user.
- 21:10:46 [ben_]
- * information that is provided by the user but that falls outside the required data format or values.
- 21:11:48 [ben_]
- discussing: guide doc draft for 2.5 L2 SC1 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamc/2005Sep/att-0060/Guide_to_Guideline_2_5_Level_2_Success_Criterion_1.htm
- 21:12:58 [ben_]
- gv: general comments - techniques must have "ing" form -- can't use the word "must" (or any imperatives) in guide docs or techniques
- 21:17:30 [ben_]
- action: team c to consider survey comments and revise draft as needed
- 21:17:37 [ben_]
- zakim, close this item
- 21:17:37 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 closed
- 21:17:38 [Zakim]
- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
- 21:17:40 [Zakim]
- 4. Team A: proposals and updates (30 minutes) [from ben_]
- 21:17:42 [ben_]
- zakim, take up agendum 4
- 21:17:42 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Team A: proposals and updates (30 minutes)" taken up [from ben_]
- 21:17:59 [ben_]
- Team A survey results: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/3-2-issues-teama/
- 21:18:32 [ben_]
- oops - results are: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/3-2-issues-teama/results
- 21:20:25 [ben_]
- discussing: revisions to L3 SC1 and issues 1517, 1571, 1411, 744
- 21:23:14 [ben_]
- ack alex
- 21:32:59 [ben_]
- resolution: revise 3.2 L3 SC1 to read, "06Non-text content that appears on multiple delivery units and has the same function has consistent text alternatives.01"
- 21:33:25 [rcastaldo]
- Folks, I've got to leave the call, I'm sorry
- 21:33:28 [ben_]
- ... and close issues 1517, 1571, 1411 and 744
- 21:33:32 [rcastaldo]
- Bye everybody
- 21:33:38 [rcastaldo]
- rcastaldo has left #wai-wcag
- 21:33:44 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Castaldo
- 21:34:40 [ben_]
- discussing: definition of "focus"
- 21:35:47 [ben_]
- Andi proposes: "The component where input is being directed."
- 21:36:50 [Becky]
- q+
- 21:37:26 [Becky]
- q-
- 21:37:39 [bengt]
- mostly it is written "input focus"
- 21:37:59 [bengt]
- because there can be different focus
- 21:38:24 [Zakim]
- -Rob_Haverty
- 21:38:26 [Zakim]
- -LucaMascaro
- 21:39:04 [bengt]
- q+ use wording input focus
- 21:39:11 [bengt]
- q+ to say use wording input focus
- 21:40:16 [bengt]
- q-
- 21:44:20 [ben_]
- resolution: do not define "focus"
- 21:44:54 [ben_]
- resolution: accept revised definition of "change of context" and close issues 1568 and 1569?
- 21:46:10 [ben_]
- resolution: close issues 1172, 1408, 1747, 931, 1410, 1458, 1510, 1716 and 1413 (all had unanimous survey results)
- 21:49:17 [ben_]
- resolution: close issues 767 and 496 (with pointer to resolution to remove this SC from the guidelines in rationale)
- 21:52:10 [Andi]
- q+
- 21:52:37 [ben_]
- ack andi
- 22:02:05 [Zakim]
- -Andi
- 22:02:50 [ben_]
- resolution: close issue 1570 and reorder 3.2 L2 SC #1 and #2
- 22:03:00 [ben_]
- zakim, close this item
- 22:03:00 [Zakim]
- agendum 4 closed
- 22:03:01 [Zakim]
- I see nothing remaining on the agenda
- 22:04:17 [Zakim]
- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 22:04:50 [ben_]
- assignments: Team A = 1.1, Team B = 1.2, Team C = 4.2
- 22:05:04 [ben_]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 22:05:04 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben_
- 22:05:21 [ben_]
- rrsagent, make log world
- 22:06:05 [Zakim]
- -Alex_Li
- 22:06:12 [Zakim]
- -Becky_Gibson
- 22:06:13 [Zakim]
- -Christophe_Strobbe
- 22:06:14 [Zakim]
- -Gregg_and_Ben
- 22:06:14 [Zakim]
- -Michael_Cooper
- 22:06:16 [Zakim]
- -David_MacDonald
- 22:06:20 [ben_]
- zakim, bye
- 22:06:20 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Roberto_Scano, Bengt_Farre, Gregg_and_Ben, David_MacDonald, Alex_Li, Andi, Christophe_Strobbe,
- 22:06:20 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #wai-wcag
- 22:06:23 [Zakim]
- ... LucaMascaro, Michael_Cooper, Roberto_Ellero, Roberto_Castaldo, Rob_Haverty, Tim_Boland
- 22:06:50 [Christophe]
- Christophe has left #wai-wcag
- 22:07:15 [ben_]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 22:07:15 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben_
- 22:07:27 [bengt]
- bengt has left #wai-wcag
- 23:08:06 [ben_]
- ben_ has left #wai-wcag