IRC log of wai-wcag on 2005-09-22

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19:57:30 [RRSAgent]: RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag
19:57:30 [RRSAgent]: logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/09/22-wai-wcag-irc
19:57:34 [wendy]: zakim, this will be WCAG
19:57:34 [Zakim]: ok, wendy; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
19:57:41 [wendy]: Meeting: WCAG WG weekly telecon
19:57:48 [wendy]: Chair: Gregg
19:58:19 [wendy]: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0849.html
19:58:20 [Makoto]: Makoto has joined #wai-wcag
19:59:07 [wendy]: agenda+ Example guide document for 1.1 L1 SC1 [http://tinyurl.com/983fj]
19:59:16 [Becky]: Becky has joined #wai-wcag
19:59:21 [Becky]: Becky has joined #wai-wcag
20:00:01 [Zakim]: WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
20:00:05 [wendy]: agenda+ team a update
20:00:10 [Zakim]: +Sofia_Celic
20:00:10 [Becky_Gibson]: Becky_Gibson has joined #wai-wcag
20:00:11 [wendy]: agenda+ team b update
20:00:14 [wendy]: agenda+ team c update
20:00:19 [LucaMascaro]: LucaMascaro has joined #wai-wcag
20:00:23 [Zakim]: +??P0
20:00:24 [rellero]: http://modifyheaders.mozdev.org/
20:00:26 [wendy]: agenda+ Heartbeat publication requirements
20:00:36 [Makoto]: zakim, ??P0 is Makoto_Ueki
20:00:36 [Zakim]: +Makoto_Ueki; got it
20:00:45 [Zakim]: +Becky_Gibson
20:01:10 [Becky]: Becky has joined #wai-wcag
20:01:13 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
20:01:31 [rscano]: zakim, IPCaller is Roberto_Scano
20:01:31 [Zakim]: +Roberto_Scano; got it
20:01:38 [rscano]: zakim, mute me
20:01:38 [Zakim]: sorry, rscano, I do not see a party named 'rscano'
20:01:45 [rscano]: zakim, i am Roberto_Scano
20:01:45 [Zakim]: ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
20:01:47 [Zakim]: +??P3
20:01:47 [Zakim]: + +1.703.883.aaaa
20:01:48 [Zakim]: +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:01:49 [rscano]: zakim, mute me
20:01:50 [Zakim]: Roberto_Scano should now be muted
20:02:19 [Zakim]: +??P8
20:02:32 [Zakim]: +Wendy
20:02:37 [Zakim]: +Matt_May
20:02:42 [wendy]: zakim, who's on the phone?
20:02:42 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Makoto_Ueki, Becky_Gibson, Roberto_Scano (muted), +1.703.883.aaaa, ??P3, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, ??P8, Wendy, Matt_May
20:03:03 [Michael]: Michael has joined #wai-wcag
20:03:13 [ben_]: ben_ has joined #wai-wcag
20:03:14 [wendy]: zakim, +1.703 is Tim_Boland
20:03:14 [Zakim]: +Tim_Boland; got it
20:03:15 [Zakim]: +??P10
20:03:24 [bengt]: zakim, ??p3 is Bengt_Farre
20:03:24 [Zakim]: +Bengt_Farre; got it
20:03:40 [Zakim]: +Michael_Cooper
20:03:40 [LucaMascaro]: Zakim, ? is LucaMascaro
20:03:41 [Zakim]: sorry, LucaMascaro, I do not recognize a party named '?'
20:03:50 [Zakim]: +Alex_Li
20:04:02 [rscano]: Luca, u are P10?
20:04:04 [Zakim]: +??P13
20:04:14 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
20:04:16 [rellero]: 10 01zakim, ??P13 is Roberto_Scano
20:04:21 [rscano]: nope :)
20:04:27 [rellero]: zakim, ??P13 is Roberto_Ellero
20:04:27 [Zakim]: +Roberto_Ellero; got it
20:04:27 [LucaMascaro]: Zakim, ??P10 is LucaMascaro
20:04:29 [Zakim]: +LucaMascaro; got it
20:04:31 [rellero]: :-)
20:04:33 [LucaMascaro]: :)
20:04:34 [rscano]: i'm only one, i'm not cloned (yet)
20:04:34 [wendy]: zakim, who's on the phone?
20:04:34 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Makoto_Ueki, Becky_Gibson, Roberto_Scano (muted), Tim_Boland, Bengt_Farre, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, ??P8, Wendy, Matt_May, LucaMascaro, Michael_Cooper,
20:04:37 [LucaMascaro]: zakim, mute me
20:04:37 [Zakim]: ... Alex_Li, Roberto_Ellero, [IPcaller]
20:04:39 [Zakim]: LucaMascaro should now be muted
20:04:46 [rellero]: zakim, mute me
20:04:46 [Zakim]: sorry, rellero, I do not see a party named 'rellero'
20:04:47 [bengt]: p8 should be luca ?
20:04:56 [LucaMascaro]: no, I'm P10
20:05:00 [wendy]: zakim, who's muted?
20:05:00 [Zakim]: I see Roberto_Scano, ??P8, LucaMascaro muted
20:05:09 [rellero]: zakim, rellero is roberto_ellero
20:05:09 [Zakim]: sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named 'rellero'
20:05:10 [wendy]: zakim, ??P8 is Gregg_and_Ben
20:05:11 [Zakim]: +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
20:05:29 [rellero]: zakim, roberto_ellero is rellero
20:05:29 [Zakim]: +rellero; got it
20:05:40 [rscano]: I'm IP caller but just registered
20:05:41 [rellero]: zakim, mute me
20:05:41 [Zakim]: rellero should now be muted
20:05:44 [Zakim]: + +1.973.482.aabb
20:06:04 [wendy]: zakim, who's on the phone?
20:06:04 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Makoto_Ueki, Becky_Gibson, Roberto_Scano (muted), Tim_Boland, Bengt_Farre, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Wendy, Matt_May, LucaMascaro
20:06:07 [Zakim]: ... (muted), Michael_Cooper, Alex_Li, rellero (muted), [IPcaller], +1.973.482.aabb
20:06:10 [gregg]: gregg has joined #wai-wcag
20:06:19 [wendy]: zakim, who's muted?
20:06:19 [Zakim]: I see Roberto_Scano, LucaMascaro, rellero muted
20:06:34 [wendy]: zakim, +1.973 may be Gian
20:06:34 [Zakim]: +Gian?; got it
20:06:43 [wendy]: zakim, IPcaller may be Katie_Haritos_Shea
20:06:43 [Zakim]: +Katie_Haritos_Shea?; got it
20:07:27 [Zakim]: +Andi_Snow_Weaver
20:07:34 [Becky]: zakim, I am Becky_Gibson
20:07:34 [Zakim]: ok, Becky, I now associate you with Becky_Gibson
20:08:31 [wendy]: regrets: John Slatin, Takayuki Watanabe, Rob Haverty, Roberto Castaldo
20:08:36 [wendy]: zakim, take up item 1
20:08:36 [Zakim]: agendum 1. "Example guide document for 1.1 L1 SC1" taken up [from http://tinyurl.com/983fj via wendy]
20:09:51 [wendy]: regrets+ Christophe Strobbe
20:10:23 [Andi]: Andi has joined #wai-wcag
20:16:23 [Becky]: zakim, mute me
20:16:23 [Zakim]: Becky_Gibson should now be muted
20:20:30 [wendy]: ack t
20:22:37 [rellero]: I've not hand up
20:26:26 [wendy]: ya - we'll figure out who tried to get in queue and fix the mapping. i suspect it is katie (b/c of the confusion at the beginning of the call)
20:27:17 [rscano]: q- rellero
20:27:25 [rscano]: q- i've
20:27:51 [bengt]: q- not
20:27:55 [rscano]: :)
20:28:01 [rscano]: q- *
20:30:19 [wendy]: zakim, rellero is Katie
20:30:19 [Zakim]: +Katie; got it
20:30:27 [wendy]: zakim, who's on the phone?
20:30:27 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Makoto_Ueki, Becky_Gibson (muted), Roberto_Scano (muted), Tim_Boland, Bengt_Farre, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Wendy, Matt_May, LucaMascaro
20:30:31 [Zakim]: ... (muted), Michael_Cooper, Alex_Li, Katie, Katie_Haritos_Shea?, Gian? (muted), Andi_Snow_Weaver
20:30:38 [Andi]: q+
20:30:40 [wendy]: zakim, Katie_Haritos_Shea is Roberto_Ellero
20:30:40 [Zakim]: +Roberto_Ellero; got it
20:30:44 [wendy]: zakim, who's on the phone?
20:30:44 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Makoto_Ueki, Becky_Gibson (muted), Roberto_Scano (muted), Tim_Boland, Bengt_Farre, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Wendy, Matt_May, LucaMascaro
20:30:48 [Zakim]: ... (muted), Michael_Cooper, Alex_Li, Katie, Roberto_Ellero, Gian? (muted), Andi_Snow_Weaver
20:31:09 [wendy]: zakim, Katie is Katie_Haritos-Shea
20:31:09 [Zakim]: +Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
20:31:24 [wendy]: q?
20:31:45 [Andi]: q-
20:40:08 [rscano]: regrets+ David MacDonald
20:40:13 [LucaMascaro]: LucaMascaro has joined #wai-wcag
20:42:42 [wendy]: zakim, who's making noise?
20:42:54 [Zakim]: wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Makoto_Ueki (43%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (4%)
20:43:01 [wendy]: zakim, mute makoto
20:43:01 [Zakim]: Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
20:43:44 [wendy]: q+
20:44:38 [Becky]: zakim, unmute me
20:44:38 [Zakim]: Becky_Gibson should no longer be muted
20:44:42 [Becky]: q+
20:45:36 [wendy]: ack w
20:46:45 [wendy]: ack be
20:48:24 [wendy]: discussion about "common failures" - ideas for what could go in there, concern about this section exploding with test cases (although could be helpful), concern about use of "and" between sufficient techniques and failure points.
20:48:41 [wendy]: scribe: wendy
20:48:59 [Andi]: q+
20:49:18 [wendy]: resolution: use model of guideline 1.1 l1 sc1 for guides <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2005/09/end-to-end/text-equiv-informative.html>
20:50:19 [wendy]: discussion of timing and moving forward (ala Michael's summary at - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamb/2005Sep/0140.html)
20:51:49 [Becky]: zakim, mute me
20:51:49 [Zakim]: Becky_Gibson should now be muted
20:52:27 [Andi]: q-
20:53:23 [wendy]: ack gian
20:55:44 [wendy]: zakim, next item
20:55:44 [Zakim]: agendum 2. "team a update" taken up [from wendy]
20:56:11 [wendy]: no new items for discussion this week. trying to assemble all of the key parts for next week.
20:56:33 [wendy]: all groups should have this goal - bring essential pieces for each SC for discussion next week.
20:56:50 [Becky]: zakim, unmute me
20:56:50 [Zakim]: Becky_Gibson should no longer be muted
20:56:52 [wendy]: zakim, next item
20:56:52 [Zakim]: agendum 3. "team b update" taken up [from wendy]
20:57:15 [wendy]: latest defn proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0854.html
20:58:08 [wendy]: proposal is to remove "acronym" from SC since acronyms are abbreviations.
20:58:24 [Zakim]: -Becky_Gibson
20:59:27 [rscano]: intialism and acronyms are abbreviations, so "abbreviation" cover all (but all three terms are defined in glossary)
21:01:06 [LucaMascaro]: sorry but i must go. see you next week, good night!
21:01:18 [wendy]: abbreviation Shortened form of a word, phrase or name, i.e. a general category that includes abbreviations, initialisms and acronyms.
21:01:40 [wendy]: resolution: abbreviation Shortened form of a word, phrase or name, i.e. a general category that includes abbreviations, initialisms and acronyms.
21:01:52 [Zakim]: -LucaMascaro
21:02:27 [wendy]: ack loretta
21:03:07 [rscano]: difference is only inside HTML markup (and XHTML until 1.1). Difference of speak is only in CSS Aural.
21:04:26 [rscano]: acronym {speak : normal;}
21:04:26 [rscano]: abbr.initialism {speak : spell-out;}
21:04:26 [rscano]: abbr.truncation {speak : normal;}
21:06:25 [wendy]: resolution: initialism - the shortened form of a name or phrase made from the initial letters of words or syllables contained in that
21:06:27 [wendy]: name or phrase. Not defined in all languages. SNCF is a French initialism that contains the initial letters of the Societe National des Chemins de Fer, the French national railroad. ESP is an initialism for extrasensory perception. (removed "unpronounceable" so as not to restrict it too much)
21:07:24 [wendy]: resolution: acronym - An abbreviation made from the initial letters of a name or phrase that contains several words. Many acronyms can be pronounced as words. Defined differently in different languages. For example, NOAA is an abbreviation made from the initial letters of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in the United States.
21:08:50 [ben_]: q+ to say, "did we agree to remove "acronym" from the SC?"
21:09:08 [wendy]: ack ben
21:09:08 [Zakim]: ben_, you wanted to say, "did we agree to remove "acronym" from the SC?"
21:09:45 [rscano]: agree with ben (this was my old proposal in team-b list)
21:11:07 [wendy]: resolution: adopt 3.1 L3 SC3 as A mechanism for finding the expanded form of abbreviations is available. (removed word "acronym" since in defn of abbreviation)
21:11:23 [wendy]: zakim, next item
21:11:23 [Zakim]: agendum 4. "team c update" taken up [from wendy]
21:11:43 [wendy]: working on defn of " input error" but not yet ready for survey.
21:13:43 [Andi]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamc/2005Sep/0043.html
21:14:57 [wendy]: drafts for guides for 3 of 4 SC. will be looking at on Monday. will be focusing in on priorities for guide doc.
21:15:20 [wendy]: should we done w/priority items for 2.5 soon. maybe not by next meeting, but close.
21:16:57 [wendy]: minutes from last week:
21:16:58 [wendy]: http://www.w3.org/2005/09/15-wai-wcag-minutes.html
21:17:03 [wendy]: zakim, next item
21:17:03 [Zakim]: agendum 5. "Heartbeat publication requirements" taken up [from wendy]
21:17:18 [wendy]: requirement that every 3 months rec-track documents must publish.
21:17:49 [Zakim]: -Alex_Li
21:18:20 [Zakim]: +Alex_Li
21:20:44 [wendy]: can request to skip, if publish a status report. will make request, draft report, and send report past group for approval for publication.
21:21:20 [wendy]: plan is to have next draft 3 weeks after f2f (week of 7 November)
21:21:42 [Zakim]: -Roberto_Ellero
21:22:24 [Zakim]: -Tim_Boland
21:23:30 [wendy]: last open issue of 2.5 list is http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1017
21:25:08 [wendy]: q+
21:26:03 [gregg]: ack w
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21:27:27 [Zakim]: -Roberto_Scano
21:27:34 [rscano]: rscano has left #wai-wcag
21:28:19 [Zakim]: +??P4
21:28:28 [wendy]: zakim, ??P4 is Neil_Soiffer
21:28:28 [Zakim]: +Neil_Soiffer; got it
21:33:37 [wendy]: proposal to close issue with, "although it is a good goal, every number we suggested was either unnecessarily restrictive or counterproductive. therefore, were unable to figure out how to make this work."
21:34:02 [wendy]: proposal to include this as advisory for 2.5
21:34:32 [ben_]: rrsagent, pointer?
21:34:32 [RRSAgent]: See http://www.w3.org/2005/09/22-wai-wcag-irc#T21-34-32
21:34:58 [wendy]: resolution: close issue 1017 with above text (or something along those lines)
21:35:59 [Zakim]: -Alex_Li
21:36:01 [Zakim]: -Katie_Haritos-Shea
21:36:02 [Zakim]: -Sofia_Celic
21:36:02 [Zakim]: -Neil_Soiffer
21:36:04 [Zakim]: -Gian?
21:36:07 [Zakim]: -Wendy
21:36:08 [Zakim]: -Makoto_Ueki
21:36:10 [Zakim]: -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:36:11 [Zakim]: -Andi_Snow_Weaver
21:36:12 [Zakim]: -Bengt_Farre
21:36:14 [Zakim]: -Michael_Cooper
21:36:15 [Zakim]: -Gregg_and_Ben
21:36:16 [Zakim]: -Matt_May
21:36:17 [Zakim]: WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
21:36:18 [Zakim]: Attendees were Sofia_Celic, Makoto_Ueki, Becky_Gibson, Roberto_Scano, +1.703.883.aaaa, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Wendy, Matt_May, Tim_Boland, Bengt_Farre, Michael_Cooper, Alex_Li,
21:36:22 [Zakim]: ... LucaMascaro, Gregg_and_Ben, +1.973.482.aabb, Gian?, Katie_Haritos_Shea?, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Roberto_Ellero, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Neil_Soiffer
21:36:50 [wendy]: RRSAgent, make logs world
21:36:59 [wendy]: RRSAgent, generate minutes
21:36:59 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/22-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
21:37:16 [bengt]: bengt has left #wai-wcag
21:54:13 [wendy]: zakim, bye
21:54:13 [Zakim]: Zakim has left #wai-wcag
21:54:16 [wendy]: RRSAgent, bye
21:54:16 [RRSAgent]: I see no action items