IRC log of wcag-teamb on 2005-09-21

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15:00:16 [wendy]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamb/2005Sep/0126.html

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agenda+ http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/octf2f/results

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WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has now started

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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid

15:00:54 [wendy]

agendum 1 = Discuss results of survey [http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/octf2f/results]

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+Wendy

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+Diane_Stottlemyer

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agenda+ Latest on the definitions of Abbreviation/Acronym/initialism [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0848.html]

15:02:29 [wendy]

agenda+ Proposal to combine "restricted use" and "abbreviation" success criterion [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamb/2005Sep/0089.html]

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+Becky_Gibson

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+??P12

15:04:36 [wendy]

agendum 1 = Discuss results of survey [http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20050915b/results]

15:04:45 [bengt]

zakim, ??P12 is Bengt_Farre

15:04:45 [Zakim]

+Bengt_Farre; got it

15:05:31 [wendy]

zakim, take up item 1

15:05:31 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Discuss results of survey [http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20050915b/results]" taken up

15:07:38 [wendy]

Proposed HTML Technique for L1SC1: using meta name="dc:language" to specify language

15:08:29 [wendy]

not support to make sufficient. add it to our "optional techniques/someday pile" bugzilla bug

15:10:40 [wendy]

General Technique for L3SC2: internal linking - clarify in the guide that there are at least 2 sufficient techniques to chose from (internal linking and rel=glossary)

15:13:07 [wendy]

action: john? write guide for l3sc2, include options for 2 sufficient techniques (internal linking OR rel=glossary)

15:13:34 [wendy]

Proposal to divide the General Technique for L3 SC3 into 3 General Techniques, plus a new one

15:19:45 [wendy]

action: becky write guide doc with the 4 sufficient techniques (Using inline expansion OR Using a Glossary page OR Searching an online dictionary of acronyms OR and Using a Dictionary Cascade.) - just choose one

15:20:08 [wendy]

looking for evidence about abbr and reading disability.

15:20:55 [wendy]

Proposals for General Technique for L3 SC4

15:22:21 [wendy]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamb/2005Sep/0031.html

15:23:51 [wendy]

writing section headings for scannability.

15:24:10 [wendy]

1. Help users find the information they are looking for. Write section titles that are meaningful and will help users scan documents quickly

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and easily. To speed scanning, help users quickly tell when sections don't contain what they are looking for.

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restating the SC?

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accessibility benefit?

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serial access forced to skim.

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2. Write section titles that clearly indicate the topic of their section. Each section should only cover one specific idea.

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3. The first section title should let the user know why the page or document is important.

15:28:04 [wendy]

what is a section?

15:28:46 [wendy]

need defn of section? L3SC4 Section titles are descriptive.

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4. Users should be able to get a summary or overview of the content by skimming just the section titles. Make the structure clear and obvious.

15:30:15 [wendy]

5-9 in email

15:30:34 [wendy]

would we have to replace "abstract" with "abstract for wcag 2.0"

15:33:05 [Zakim]

-Diane_Stottlemyer

15:33:27 [wendy]

how much context can we assume for a title?

15:33:55 [wendy]

in this proposal, assume no context - can't even assume w/in the document

15:34:34 [wendy]

even if linking into middle of document should be able to get some context from title element

15:35:57 [wendy]

action: loretta and diane? - draft guide for l3sc4, propose defn of section

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action 3 = loretta and diane? - draft guide for l3sc4, propose defn of section, propose examples for each technique to help us better understand, use the 1.1 mock-up to group techs into sufficient and optional

15:38:09 [wendy]

Guide for L3SC5, - looks good

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action: john and bengt? work up guide for l3sc5 into template and submit to group

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HTML Technique for L3SC51: Use titles to summarise the content

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HTML Technique for L3SC5: using title for translations of foreign passages or phrases

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HTML Technique for L3SC5: using title to explain jokes

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HTML Technique for L3SC5: using title to summarize or simplify content

15:42:47 [wendy]

several concerns: using title attribute or element? overloading title? difficult to define humor much less explain.

15:43:13 [wendy]

when the SC talks about a supplement to "text" is it the whole delivery unit or could it be anyone passage?

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action: wendy to add thse to our "optional" bug

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-Bengt_Farre

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HTML and CSS Techniques for L3SC5: Using role to specify structure and types of content

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CSS Technique for L3SC5: Helping the user follow the structure of the document

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add to optional bin

15:44:39 [wendy]

zakim, next item

15:44:39 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Latest on the definitions of Abbreviation/Acronym/initialism" taken up [from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0848.html]

15:44:57 [Zakim]

+??P0

15:45:27 [bengt]

zakim, ??p0 is Bengt_Farre

15:45:27 [Zakim]

+Bengt_Farre; got it

15:51:06 [wendy]

at SC level, don't distinguish between acronym and abbreviation because these are HTML-specific issues?

15:56:10 [Zakim]

-Bengt_Farre

15:59:41 [wendy]

resolution: *not* propose combining of l3sc2 and sc3.

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action: becky repropose defn of abbreviation and acronym, propose SC w/out "acronym," draft guide for l3sc3, proposed a combined html technique for abbr and acronym

16:01:29 [rellero]

Hi, is now the call's time?

16:01:48 [wendy]

just ending

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I'm sorry, made a mistake with time

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-Becky_Gibson

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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid

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WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended

16:08:10 [wendy]

no problem.

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Attendees were Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Wendy, Diane_Stottlemyer, Becky_Gibson, Bengt_Farre

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chair: wendy

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scribe: wendy

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16:11:10 [wendy]

regrets: roberto scano, john slatin, roberto ellero

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Meeting: Team B (task force) of the WCAG WG

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zakim, bye

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I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: john? write guide for l3sc2, include options for 2 sufficient techniques (internal linking OR rel=glossary) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-irc#T15-13-07

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ACTION: becky write guide doc with the 4 sufficient techniques (Using inline expansion OR Using a Glossary page OR Searching an online dictionary of acronyms OR and Using a Dictionary Cascade.) - just choose one [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-irc#T15-19-45

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ACTION: loretta and diane? - draft guide for l3sc4, propose defn of section, propose examples for each technique to help us better understand, use the 1.1 mock-up to group techs into sufficient and optional [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-irc#T15-35-57

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ACTION: john and bengt? work up guide for l3sc5 into template and submit to group [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-irc#T15-38-33

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ACTION: wendy to add thse to our "optional" bug [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-irc#T15-43-34

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ACTION: becky repropose defn of abbreviation and acronym, propose SC w/out "acronym," draft guide for l3sc3, proposed a combined html technique for abbr and acronym [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-irc#T16-00-51

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