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17:56:13 <ben> Zakim, list conferences
17:56:13 <Zakim> I see TAG_Weekly()12:30PM, WS_WSCG()1:00PM active
17:56:15 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are XML_QueryWG(tf)1:00PM, WAI_(WCAGA)2:00PM, SW_BPD(SETF)1:00PM
17:56:27 <ben> zakim, this will be WAI_
17:56:27 <Zakim> ok, ben; I see WAI_(WCAGA)2:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
17:58:11 <ben> Meeting: WCAG Team A Meeting
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17:58:44 <ben> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teama/2005Sep/0026.html
17:59:08 <ben> agenda+ What is sufficient to meet each SC?
17:59:18 <ben> agneda+ Review of draft guide documents.
17:59:31 <ben> agenda+ Status of action items and questions.
18:00:16 <Christophe> agenda+ Review of draft guide documents
18:00:40 <ben> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:00:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/13-wcag-teama-minutes.html ben
18:00:54 <ben> RRSAgent, make log world
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18:02:20 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAGA)2:00PM has now started
18:02:24 <ben> Regrets: Alex_Li, Sebastiano_Nutarelli, Chris_Ridpath, Bruno_von_Niman, Roberto_Castaldo
18:02:27 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
18:02:49 <Zakim> +Gez_Lemon
18:03:59 <Zakim> +??P2
18:04:09 <ben> zakim, ??P2 is Ben_Caldwell
18:04:09 <Zakim> +Ben_Caldwell; got it
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18:05:55 <David_MacDonald> am I in
18:07:25 <Zakim> + +1.213.408.aaaa
18:07:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
18:08:06 <ben> zakim, [IPcaller] is David_MacDonald
18:08:06 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald; got it
18:08:38 <ben> zakim, +1.213.408.aaa is Neil_Soiffer
18:08:38 <Zakim> +Neil_Soiffer; got it
18:09:16 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 1
18:09:16 <Zakim> agendum 1. "What is sufficient to meet each SC?" taken up [from ben]
18:09:20 <David_MacDonald> hi Christophe say hi to Leuven
18:10:38 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 2
18:10:38 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Status of action items and questions." taken up [from ben]
18:12:09 <ben> discussing: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teama/2005Sep/0038.html
18:14:12 <ben> proposal: remove "user interface controls" from definition of "change of context?
18:18:09 <ben> resolution: remove "user interface controls" from definition
18:18:33 <ben> zakim, mute David
18:18:33 <Zakim> David_MacDonald should now be muted
18:18:47 <ben> zakim, unmute David
18:18:47 <Zakim> David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
18:18:53 <ben> zakim, mute Gez
18:18:53 <Zakim> Gez_Lemon should now be muted
18:19:19 <ben> zakim,, unmute Gez
18:19:19 <Zakim> I don't understand ', unmute Gez', ben
18:19:25 <ben> zakim, unmute Gez
18:19:25 <Zakim> Gez_Lemon should no longer be muted
18:20:14 <ben> zakim, mute Gez
18:20:14 <Zakim> Gez_Lemon should now be muted
18:20:54 <Gez> Yeah, I thought they were relevant to the guideline, but if definitions exist elsewhere I'd be happy with those
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18:22:13 <Gez> Yeah, I'll look it up
18:22:45 <ben> action: Gez to look at definition of focus in other W3C specs
18:23:14 <ben> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/#event-handlerdef
18:24:04 <Gez> I'm not precious about any of the definitions I provided. They were things I thought needed defining, but if they're defined elswhere I'd be happy with those definitions
18:24:32 <Gez> Event handler isn't mentioned in my text, but I used fire an event, which requires an event handler
18:28:32 <Gez> This success criteria is a negative one, so I couldn't think of anything that could be done to meet it, more what to avoid
18:29:36 <Gez> anything with onfocus="" that changes context
18:30:30 <Zakim> +??P4
18:30:52 <Gez> Hi Greeg - I'm muted, so having to type
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18:31:21 <gregg> hi
18:35:47 <ben> discussing Christophe's draft: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teama/2005Sep/0035.html
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18:52:11 <Gez> remote scripting could be used to provide a complete change of content automatically, which would fall under this guidelines - I think Christophe has it covered in option 1
18:53:09 <ben> discussing: gregg's proposal - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teama/2005Sep/0031.html
18:53:55 <Christophe> zakim, mute me
18:53:55 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
18:54:20 <Christophe> zakim, unmute me
18:54:20 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
18:56:22 <ben> proposal: move L2 SC2 (When any component 
18:56:22 <ben> receives focus, it does not cause a change of context.) to level 1. 
18:57:38 <Gez> Change of content is mentioned at the end of Gregg's guide doc
19:00:13 <Gez> No, I think it would be more appropriate at level 1
19:01:56 <ben> resolved: remove L1 SC1 Rationale: if you meet the other level 1 
19:01:56 <ben> success criterion, then a user agent should be able to programmatically 
19:01:56 <ben> determine changes in context in a fairly straightforward way. 
19:02:48 <Gez> Sorry, Ben - could you repeat that?
19:03:37 <Gez> Yeah - I'll define context menus and change of content
19:03:48 <ben> resolution: move L2 SC2 to level 1
19:04:28 <ben> action: Gez to include clarification about change in context vs. change in content and incorporate david's suggestion about menus
19:06:47 <ben> resolution: revise definition of "change in context" to read, "change of user agent, viewport, or focus; or complete change of main content. "
19:06:53 <Gez> I'm going to call in again - as I'd like to be able to speak :-)
19:07:03 <Zakim> -Gez_Lemon
19:07:25 <ben> discussing Ben's draft: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teama/2005Sep/att-0037/3.2_L2_SC1.htm
19:08:35 <Zakim> +Gez_Lemon
19:09:21 <David_MacDonald>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teama/2005Sep/att-0037/3.2_L2_SC1.htm
19:11:43 <ben> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/#conformance
19:12:24 <ben> zakim, mute Gez
19:12:24 <Zakim> Gez_Lemon should now be muted
19:13:25 <ben> resolution: move L2 SC1 (Components that are repeated on multiple delivery units within a set of delivery units occur in the same order each time they are repeated.) to level 3
19:14:28 <Gez> The definition you've provided for same order looks fine to me
19:17:59 <ben> issue: should we include something that addresses subtle changes in repeated content?
19:20:27 <ben> action: Neil to explore including a criterion about  differences in content  being easily discernable
19:22:46 <Gez> A user agent may be aware that content has changed, but may not relay that change to the user; for example, a screen reader may be aware an element had changed, but wouldn't automatically read the change to the user unless they re-read the page
19:29:12 <ben> zakim, close this item
19:29:12 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
19:29:13 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:29:14 <Zakim> 1. What is sufficient to meet each SC? [from ben]
19:30:44 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 1
19:30:44 <Zakim> agendum 1. "What is sufficient to meet each SC?" taken up [from ben]
19:33:18 <ben> discussing: decisions we need from the group now?
19:33:25 <ben> 1) deleting L1 SC1
19:33:34 <ben> 2.) moving L2 SC1 to L1
19:34:02 <ben> 3.) moving L2 SC1 to L3
19:34:20 <ben> 4) proposed definitions (change of context & same order)
19:38:10 <ben> action: ben to create survey on above items
19:39:26 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
19:39:27 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
19:39:27 <Zakim> -Ben_Caldwell
19:39:29 <Zakim> -Gez_Lemon
19:39:30 <Zakim> -Neil_Soiffer
19:39:32 <Zakim> -??P4
19:39:33 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAGA)2:00PM has ended
19:39:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Christophe_Strobbe, Gez_Lemon, Ben_Caldwell, +1.213.408.aaaa, David_MacDonald, Neil_Soiffer
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19:41:40 <ben_> zakim, bye
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19:41:54 <ben_> RRSAgent, generate minutes
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19:43:39 <ben_> chair: Ben_Caldwell
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