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12:09:19 <Justin> zakim, this will be eowg
12:09:20 <Zakim> ok, Justin; I see WAI_EOWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 21 minutes
12:09:30 <Justin> Meeting: EOWG
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12:10:03 <Justin> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-eo/2005JulSep/0140.html
12:14:21 <Wayne> I'm ready to scribe.
12:15:37 <Justin> good morning Wayne
12:15:56 <Wayne> good morning
12:16:40 <shadi> good afternoon all! ;)
12:16:48 <shadi> zakim, ping me in 10
12:16:48 <Zakim> ok, shadi
12:16:56 <Justin> :-)
12:17:00 <Justin> good afternoon shadi
12:18:56 <Wayne> I don't think I'll ever live long enough to find live this international conversationl comon place.
12:26:48 <shawn> Scribe: Wayne
12:26:49 <Zakim> shadi, you asked to be pinged at this time
12:26:52 <shawn> scribenick: wayne
12:26:58 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG()8:30AM has now started
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12:27:15 <Zakim> +Doyle_Saylor
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12:29:02 <Andrew> Hello Shadi - and all you North Americans
12:29:02 <Zakim> -Doyle_Saylor
12:29:04 <Zakim> +Doyle_Saylor
12:29:05 <Zakim> +Shawn
12:29:50 <Zakim> +??P0
12:29:53 <Zakim> +Shadi
12:30:01 <Zakim> +Judy
12:30:14 <shadi> hi aussi andrew
12:30:19 <Zakim> +??P3
12:30:37 <Wayne> zakim, p0 is wayne
12:30:37 <Zakim> sorry, Wayne, I do not recognize a party named 'p0'
12:30:44 <Zakim> +??P4
12:30:48 <Andrew> Zakim, ??p4  is Andrew
12:30:48 <Zakim> +Andrew; got it
12:30:56 <Wayne> zakim, ??p0 is wayne
12:30:56 <Zakim> +wayne; got it
12:31:08 <Zakim> +??P6
12:31:08 <shawn> zakim, ??P3 is Johanna
12:31:09 <Zakim> +Johanna; got it
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12:31:13 <Zakim> + +1.517.974.aaaa
12:31:20 <rcastaldo> Hi all
12:31:21 <Justin> zakim, aaa is Justin
12:31:21 <Zakim> sorry, Justin, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
12:31:32 <Justin> zakim, aaaa is Justin
12:31:32 <Zakim> +Justin; got it
12:31:44 <Justin> zakim, please mute me
12:31:44 <Zakim> Justin should now be muted
12:31:46 <Zakim> +??P7
12:32:35 <shawn> zakim, who is here?
12:32:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Doyle_Saylor, Shawn, wayne, Shadi, Judy, Johanna, Andrew, ??P6, Justin (muted), ??P7
12:32:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see rcastaldo, Andrew, Wayne, Zakim, RRSAgent, Justin, shadi, shawn
12:32:39 <Zakim> +Bingham
12:32:41 <Zakim> -Bingham
12:33:06 <shawn> zakim, ??P6 is Helen(probably)
12:33:06 <Zakim> +Helen(probably); got it
12:33:17 <Zakim> +??P8
12:33:36 <rcastaldo> 01zakim, rcastaldo is Roberto Castaldo
12:33:57 <Zakim> +Bingham
12:33:59 <shawn> zakim, ??P7 is Roberto
12:33:59 <Zakim> +Roberto; got it
12:34:11 <rcastaldo> thanks Shawn
12:34:12 <shawn> zakim, ??P8 is Tanguy
12:34:12 <Zakim> +Tanguy; got it
12:34:36 <Justin> zakim, please unmute me
12:34:36 <Zakim> Justin should no longer be muted
12:34:44 <Andrew> zakim, who is here?
12:34:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Doyle_Saylor, Shawn, wayne, Shadi, Judy, Johanna, Andrew, Helen(probably), Justin, Roberto (muted), Tanguy, Bingham
12:34:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see rcastaldo, Andrew, Wayne, Zakim, RRSAgent, Justin, shadi, shawn
12:35:39 <Wayne> zakim, mute me
12:35:39 <Zakim> wayne should now be muted
12:35:56 <Justin> zakim, mute me
12:35:56 <Zakim> Justin should now be muted
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12:36:54 <judy> zakim, who's here?
12:36:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see Doyle_Saylor, Shawn, wayne (muted), Shadi, Judy, Johanna, Andrew, Helen(probably), Justin (muted), Roberto, Tanguy, Bingham
12:36:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see judy, rcastaldo, Andrew, Wayne, Zakim, RRSAgent, Justin, shadi, shawn
12:37:01 <Justin> Chair: Judy
12:37:29 <Justin> Regrets: Barry, Sailesh, Alan, William
12:39:07 <Wayne> Topic 1: Outreach
12:40:26 <Wayne> Andrew, what is the exact title of that act that guarentees several rights in education?
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12:41:03 <Andrew> Disability Standards for Education - see links from http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/resources/policies.html
12:43:02 <Andrew> see also http://www.wanau.org/forums2005/perth.html
12:44:10 <Wayne> Topic 2: Rorganization of the Evaluation Resource Suite
12:45:16 <Zakim> +hbj
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12:49:27 <Wayne> Shawn: The purpose of today's review is to evaluate what we have for posting prior to completing all of the propsed sections.  Are these ready to post, with a few changes, but without major rewriting?
12:49:57 <Wayne> Topic: Outreach
12:50:14 <Wayne> will move this down in rewrite
12:50:41 <Wayne> Topic: Reorganization of the Evaluation Resource Suite
12:51:09 <Wayne> move the early conversation.. to this point
12:52:08 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/eval/Overview.html
12:52:26 <shadi> zakim, mute hbj
12:52:26 <Zakim> hbj was already muted, shadi
12:53:30 <Wayne> Helen: Initial response is that the documents stand alone.
12:54:59 <Wayne> zakim, mute me
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12:55:29 <Wayne> EOWG: The documents stand alone.
12:56:30 <shadi> q+
12:57:51 <Wayne> Shawn:  Do we need to add a small business case paragraph to the overview page?
12:59:09 <Wayne> Harvey: It wold add to the page and might attact readers.
12:59:36 <shadi> q-
13:02:27 <shadi> fyi old version: http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/eval/eval-links
13:02:50 <Wayne> Shawn: On the Overview Page look now, does the list of items show up well.
13:03:15 <Wayne> Doyle: I cannot see the whole list...
13:03:50 <Wayne> Shawn: The intent was not to show the whole list, but that the list is there.
13:04:43 <Wayne> wayne, mute me
13:04:56 <Wayne> zakim, mute me
13:04:56 <Zakim> wayne was already muted, Wayne
13:06:07 <Wayne> Doyle: My impression is that 2 screens is a natural usability limit.
13:06:59 <Justin> zakim, unmute me
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13:07:43 <Wayne> Shawn: One thing we would like to add is some kind of business benefits. For now we have just one addition to this list, but later there could be more.
13:09:09 <Wayne> Judy: What if we had an h2 that has contents of resource suite.
13:10:39 <Wayne> Shawn: We are using an anotated list pages -merges title anotation with a page contents box.
13:13:27 <Wayne> Shadi: in the previous version the links were separated. See in IRC the "fyi old version..."
13:14:08 <Justin> zakim, please mute me
13:14:08 <Zakim> Justin should now be muted
13:18:39 <Wayne> Roberto: The name "consideration for specific Contexts" needs work.
13:23:01 <judy> (looking at: http://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/template.html )
13:23:19 <Wayne> Shawn: Is everyone comfortable with the currnet title for the "tools list".
13:24:51 <judy> Shawn: ...and with the reporting template?
13:25:02 <judy> [No objections]
13:25:19 <Wayne> Shawn: Does the long title on anotated link list correspond well with the short title on the actual dlcument?
13:25:53 <Wayne> EOWG: yes
13:26:44 <Wayne> Shawn: Will we add the small business case paragraph be added now or with the next revision.
13:27:52 <Wayne> Shadi: This would come quite soon? At this point the mini business case paragraph wuld be added.
13:29:38 <Wayne> Shawn: Given the need for review and the editors schedule this would delay the posting by a month.
13:34:53 <Wayne> Shawn: Reconsider the title "considerations for Specific Content".
13:37:41 <Wayne> Shadi: The special considerations page came out in a face to face discussion, but we did not come up with a specific title.
13:40:43 <Justin> zakim, please unmute me
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13:41:25 <Wayne> Hellen: If you read the page the title is clear, but the title does not lead you to the page.
13:43:11 <Justin> Considerations for Evaluating Special Types of Web Sites
13:45:41 <Wayne> EOWG Brainstorm: Managing, strategies, different kinds of websites, managine evaluation strategies your business might have..., 
13:45:44 <judy> brainstorm options:
13:45:49 <judy> managing evaluation
13:45:53 <judy> evaluation strategies
13:46:01 <Justin> Things to Consider  Along The Way
13:46:02 <judy> evaluation approaches
13:46:14 <judy> evaluation considerations
13:47:05 <Wayne> zakim, mute me
13:47:05 <Zakim> wayne should now be muted
13:47:05 <Harvey> help with evaluation planning
13:47:19 <Andrew> additional conderations
13:47:30 <Justin> zakim, please mute me
13:47:30 <Zakim> Justin should now be muted
13:48:21 <Wayne> Johana: (spelling?) Accessibility evaluation needs to be clear?
13:48:25 <judy> specific contexts for web accessibility evaluation
13:50:03 <Andrew> Andrew: considerations for accessibility evaluation
13:50:30 <judy> specific context consideration...
13:50:42 <Justin> Special Considerations of Web Accessibility Evaluation
13:50:59 <Andrew> Andrew: so what about - considerations for accessibility evaluation in specific contexts
13:51:27 <Wayne> Roberto: Specific context is ok, long "specfic context for consideration".
13:51:42 <judy> evaluation approaches for specific contexts
13:52:04 <judy> context considerations for web accessibility evaluation
13:52:45 <judy> contextual considerations for web accessibility evaluation
13:53:06 <judy> specific contexts that influence evaluation 
13:53:56 <Andrew> Andrew likes Judy's suggestion "Evaluation Approaches for Specific Contexts"
13:54:39 <rcastaldo> Specific contexts notes for 01web accessibility evaluation
13:54:46 <Wayne> Judy: I favor something that includes web accessiblity. Reactions: Specific Contests for Web Accessibility Evaluation.
13:54:56 <judy> evaluation approaches for specific contexts
13:55:04 <judy> vs.
13:55:19 <judy> specific contexts for web accessibility evaluation
13:55:20 <Wayne> Andrew: Invert it Evaluation aproaches is the lead (key).
13:56:59 <Zakim> -hbj
13:57:06 <Helle> bye
13:57:27 <Wayne> Judy: (1) Evaluation approaches for specific contexts (2) Specific Contexts for Web Accessibility Evaluation.
13:59:44 <Wayne> EOWG: without objective.. votes for (1)
14:00:54 <Wayne> Shawn: Approach for Specific Contexts would wrap but it might be complete.
14:01:04 <judy> s/objective/objection
14:01:15 <Wayne> Andrew: Just use "Specific Contexts" for the short name.
14:01:27 <Wayne> EOWG: no objections
14:02:00 <Wayne> shawn, what are the action items?
14:05:48 <Wayne> Shawn: We move to 2c. Serious concerns..
14:08:22 <Zakim> -Roberto
14:08:27 <rcastaldo> Bye all
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14:11:41 <Harvey> I'd like to have a feedback person to report problems to, with authority to get the problem fixed
14:13:07 <Wayne> Shawn: Thare are many weakness to the page, so should we change it or pull it?
14:13:39 <Wayne> EOWG: without objection, but with regrets we pull it.
14:16:24 <Wayne> Judy: Would like reaction to the proposal: keep "selected topics" but pull the "large site" section.
14:16:44 <Wayne> EOWG: aproves without objection.
14:18:39 <Wayne> Judy: the four pages in draft listed in the agenda, should be put in place on the site with the changes noted in this meeting?
14:18:55 <Wayne> EOWG: aproved without objection.
14:22:59 <Wayne> Topic: Selecting Web Evaluation Tools Section
14:23:38 <Zakim> -Bingham
14:24:36 <Wayne> Shadi: The changes are section 3: Changed the names, check point coverage was changed.  Both changes were suggested in group review.
14:24:39 <Andrew> Currently http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/eval/selectingtools.html
14:25:30 <Zakim> +Bingham
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14:34:18 <Justin> zakim, please unmute me
14:34:18 <Zakim> Justin should no longer be muted
14:35:31 <Justin> zakim, please mute me
14:35:31 <Zakim> Justin should now be muted
14:36:05 <Wayne> Group: The last sentence of "What ...tools. cannot do" change "make Web sites accessible" to "determine Web sites accessibility."
14:36:51 <Wayne> Shawn: Please fill out the survey when it comes relating to this meeting.
14:37:14 <Wayne> Shawn, help how do I determine "action items"?
14:37:20 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:37:21 <Zakim> -Doyle_Saylor
14:37:21 <Zakim> -Tanguy
14:37:22 <Zakim> -Bingham
14:37:22 <Zakim> -Helen(probably)
14:37:24 <Zakim> -Johanna
14:37:24 <Zakim> -Judy
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14:37:41 <Zakim> -Justin
14:39:35 <Zakim> -wayne
14:39:36 <Zakim> -Shawn
14:39:37 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG()8:30AM has ended
14:39:38 <Zakim> Attendees were Doyle_Saylor, Shawn, Shadi, Judy, Andrew, wayne, Johanna, +1.517.974.aaaa, Justin, Bingham, Helen(probably), Roberto, Tanguy, hbj
14:40:54 <shawn> present: Doyle_Saylor, Shawn, Shadi, Judy, Andrew, wayne, Johanna, Justin, Bingham, Helen, Roberto, Tanguy, Helle
14:41:20 <shawn> zakim, bye
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14:41:27 <shawn> rrsagent, make logs world
14:41:33 <shawn> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:41:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/09-eo-minutes.html shawn
14:41:55 <shawn> ok, Wayne. you should be able to get the minutes from above URI.
14:43:26 <Andrew> hey wayne/shawn - who was Johanna?
14:44:31 <Wayne> Thank you!
14:49:58 <shawn> Johanna works with Barry. she's interested in eval resource suite. as soon as we figure out how she will fit into gropu, i'll ask her to e-mail introduction to herself to the list
14:50:05 <shawn> (andrew, answer above)
14:50:30 <shawn> rrsagent, bye
14:50:30 <RRSAgent> I see no action items