IRC log of eo on 2005-09-09

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/09/09-eo-irc

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12:09:19 [Justin]

zakim, this will be eowg

12:09:20 [Zakim]

ok, Justin; I see WAI_EOWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 21 minutes

12:09:30 [Justin]

Meeting: EOWG

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-eo/2005JulSep/0140.html

12:14:21 [Wayne]

I'm ready to scribe.

12:15:37 [Justin]

good morning Wayne

12:15:56 [Wayne]

good morning

12:16:40 [shadi]

good afternoon all! ;)

12:16:48 [shadi]

zakim, ping me in 10

12:16:48 [Zakim]

ok, shadi

12:16:56 [Justin]

:-)

12:17:00 [Justin]

good afternoon shadi

12:18:56 [Wayne]

I don't think I'll ever live long enough to find live this international conversationl comon place.

12:26:48 [shawn]

Scribe: Wayne

12:26:49 [Zakim]

shadi, you asked to be pinged at this time

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scribenick: wayne

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WAI_EOWG()8:30AM has now started

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+??P0

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+Doyle_Saylor

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-??P0

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+Shawn

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+??P0

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+Shadi

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+Judy

12:30:14 [shadi]

hi aussi andrew

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+??P3

12:30:37 [Wayne]

zakim, p0 is wayne

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sorry, Wayne, I do not recognize a party named 'p0'

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+??P4

12:30:48 [Andrew]

Zakim, ??p4 is Andrew

12:30:48 [Zakim]

+Andrew; got it

12:30:56 [Wayne]

zakim, ??p0 is wayne

12:30:56 [Zakim]

+wayne; got it

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+??P6

12:31:08 [shawn]

zakim, ??P3 is Johanna

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+Johanna; got it

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+ +1.517.974.aaaa

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Hi all

12:31:21 [Justin]

zakim, aaa is Justin

12:31:21 [Zakim]

sorry, Justin, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'

12:31:32 [Justin]

zakim, aaaa is Justin

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+Justin; got it

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zakim, please mute me

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Justin should now be muted

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+??P7

12:32:35 [shawn]

zakim, who is here?

12:32:35 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Doyle_Saylor, Shawn, wayne, Shadi, Judy, Johanna, Andrew, ??P6, Justin (muted), ??P7

12:32:38 [Zakim]

On IRC I see rcastaldo, Andrew, Wayne, Zakim, RRSAgent, Justin, shadi, shawn

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+Bingham

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-Bingham

12:33:06 [shawn]

zakim, ??P6 is Helen(probably)

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+Helen(probably); got it

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+??P8

12:33:36 [rcastaldo]

01zakim, rcastaldo is Roberto Castaldo

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+Bingham

12:33:59 [shawn]

zakim, ??P7 is Roberto

12:33:59 [Zakim]

+Roberto; got it

12:34:11 [rcastaldo]

thanks Shawn

12:34:12 [shawn]

zakim, ??P8 is Tanguy

12:34:12 [Zakim]

+Tanguy; got it

12:34:36 [Justin]

zakim, please unmute me

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Justin should no longer be muted

12:34:44 [Andrew]

zakim, who is here?

12:34:44 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Doyle_Saylor, Shawn, wayne, Shadi, Judy, Johanna, Andrew, Helen(probably), Justin, Roberto (muted), Tanguy, Bingham

12:34:46 [Zakim]

On IRC I see rcastaldo, Andrew, Wayne, Zakim, RRSAgent, Justin, shadi, shawn

12:35:39 [Wayne]

zakim, mute me

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wayne should now be muted

12:35:56 [Justin]

zakim, mute me

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Justin should now be muted

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zakim, who's here?

12:36:54 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Doyle_Saylor, Shawn, wayne (muted), Shadi, Judy, Johanna, Andrew, Helen(probably), Justin (muted), Roberto, Tanguy, Bingham

12:36:56 [Zakim]

On IRC I see judy, rcastaldo, Andrew, Wayne, Zakim, RRSAgent, Justin, shadi, shawn

12:37:01 [Justin]

Chair: Judy

12:37:29 [Justin]

Regrets: Barry, Sailesh, Alan, William

12:39:07 [Wayne]

Topic 1: Outreach

12:40:26 [Wayne]

Andrew, what is the exact title of that act that guarentees several rights in education?

12:40:40 [Harvey]

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12:41:03 [Andrew]

Disability Standards for Education - see links from http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/resources/policies.html

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see also http://www.wanau.org/forums2005/perth.html

12:44:10 [Wayne]

Topic 2: Rorganization of the Evaluation Resource Suite

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+hbj

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12:49:27 [Wayne]

Shawn: The purpose of today's review is to evaluate what we have for posting prior to completing all of the propsed sections. Are these ready to post, with a few changes, but without major rewriting?

12:49:57 [Wayne]

Topic: Outreach

12:50:14 [Wayne]

will move this down in rewrite

12:50:41 [Wayne]

Topic: Reorganization of the Evaluation Resource Suite

12:51:09 [Wayne]

move the early conversation.. to this point

12:52:08 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/eval/Overview.html

12:52:26 [shadi]

zakim, mute hbj

12:52:26 [Zakim]

hbj was already muted, shadi

12:53:30 [Wayne]

Helen: Initial response is that the documents stand alone.

12:54:59 [Wayne]

zakim, mute me

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wayne should now be muted

12:55:29 [Wayne]

EOWG: The documents stand alone.

12:56:30 [shadi]

q+

12:57:51 [Wayne]

Shawn: Do we need to add a small business case paragraph to the overview page?

12:59:09 [Wayne]

Harvey: It wold add to the page and might attact readers.

12:59:36 [shadi]

q-

13:02:27 [shadi]

fyi old version: http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/eval/eval-links

13:02:50 [Wayne]

Shawn: On the Overview Page look now, does the list of items show up well.

13:03:15 [Wayne]

Doyle: I cannot see the whole list...

13:03:50 [Wayne]

Shawn: The intent was not to show the whole list, but that the list is there.

13:04:43 [Wayne]

wayne, mute me

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zakim, mute me

13:04:56 [Zakim]

wayne was already muted, Wayne

13:06:07 [Wayne]

Doyle: My impression is that 2 screens is a natural usability limit.

13:06:59 [Justin]

zakim, unmute me

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Justin should no longer be muted

13:07:43 [Wayne]

Shawn: One thing we would like to add is some kind of business benefits. For now we have just one addition to this list, but later there could be more.

13:09:09 [Wayne]

Judy: What if we had an h2 that has contents of resource suite.

13:10:39 [Wayne]

Shawn: We are using an anotated list pages -merges title anotation with a page contents box.

13:13:27 [Wayne]

Shadi: in the previous version the links were separated. See in IRC the "fyi old version..."

13:14:08 [Justin]

zakim, please mute me

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Justin should now be muted

13:18:39 [Wayne]

Roberto: The name "consideration for specific Contexts" needs work.

13:23:01 [judy]

(looking at: http://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/template.html )

13:23:19 [Wayne]

Shawn: Is everyone comfortable with the currnet title for the "tools list".

13:24:51 [judy]

Shawn: ...and with the reporting template?

13:25:02 [judy]

[No objections]

13:25:19 [Wayne]

Shawn: Does the long title on anotated link list correspond well with the short title on the actual dlcument?

13:25:53 [Wayne]

EOWG: yes

13:26:44 [Wayne]

Shawn: Will we add the small business case paragraph be added now or with the next revision.

13:27:52 [Wayne]

Shadi: This would come quite soon? At this point the mini business case paragraph wuld be added.

13:29:38 [Wayne]

Shawn: Given the need for review and the editors schedule this would delay the posting by a month.

13:34:53 [Wayne]

Shawn: Reconsider the title "considerations for Specific Content".

13:37:41 [Wayne]

Shadi: The special considerations page came out in a face to face discussion, but we did not come up with a specific title.

13:40:43 [Justin]

zakim, please unmute me

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Justin should no longer be muted

13:41:25 [Wayne]

Hellen: If you read the page the title is clear, but the title does not lead you to the page.

13:43:11 [Justin]

Considerations for Evaluating Special Types of Web Sites

13:45:41 [Wayne]

EOWG Brainstorm: Managing, strategies, different kinds of websites, managine evaluation strategies your business might have...,

13:45:44 [judy]

brainstorm options:

13:45:49 [judy]

managing evaluation

13:45:53 [judy]

evaluation strategies

13:46:01 [Justin]

Things to Consider Along The Way

13:46:02 [judy]

evaluation approaches

13:46:14 [judy]

evaluation considerations

13:47:05 [Wayne]

zakim, mute me

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wayne should now be muted

13:47:05 [Harvey]

help with evaluation planning

13:47:19 [Andrew]

additional conderations

13:47:30 [Justin]

zakim, please mute me

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13:48:21 [Wayne]

Johana: (spelling?) Accessibility evaluation needs to be clear?

13:48:25 [judy]

specific contexts for web accessibility evaluation

13:50:03 [Andrew]

Andrew: considerations for accessibility evaluation

13:50:30 [judy]

specific context consideration...

13:50:42 [Justin]

Special Considerations of Web Accessibility Evaluation

13:50:59 [Andrew]

Andrew: so what about - considerations for accessibility evaluation in specific contexts

13:51:27 [Wayne]

Roberto: Specific context is ok, long "specfic context for consideration".

13:51:42 [judy]

evaluation approaches for specific contexts

13:52:04 [judy]

context considerations for web accessibility evaluation

13:52:45 [judy]

contextual considerations for web accessibility evaluation

13:53:06 [judy]

specific contexts that influence evaluation

13:53:56 [Andrew]

Andrew likes Judy's suggestion "Evaluation Approaches for Specific Contexts"

13:54:39 [rcastaldo]

Specific contexts notes for 01web accessibility evaluation

13:54:46 [Wayne]

Judy: I favor something that includes web accessiblity. Reactions: Specific Contests for Web Accessibility Evaluation.

13:54:56 [judy]

evaluation approaches for specific contexts

13:55:04 [judy]

vs.

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specific contexts for web accessibility evaluation

13:55:20 [Wayne]

Andrew: Invert it Evaluation aproaches is the lead (key).

13:56:59 [Zakim]

-hbj

13:57:06 [Helle]

bye

13:57:27 [Wayne]

Judy: (1) Evaluation approaches for specific contexts (2) Specific Contexts for Web Accessibility Evaluation.

13:59:44 [Wayne]

EOWG: without objective.. votes for (1)

14:00:54 [Wayne]

Shawn: Approach for Specific Contexts would wrap but it might be complete.

14:01:04 [judy]

s/objective/objection

14:01:15 [Wayne]

Andrew: Just use "Specific Contexts" for the short name.

14:01:27 [Wayne]

EOWG: no objections

14:02:00 [Wayne]

shawn, what are the action items?

14:05:48 [Wayne]

Shawn: We move to 2c. Serious concerns..

14:08:22 [Zakim]

-Roberto

14:08:27 [rcastaldo]

Bye all

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14:11:41 [Harvey]

I'd like to have a feedback person to report problems to, with authority to get the problem fixed

14:13:07 [Wayne]

Shawn: Thare are many weakness to the page, so should we change it or pull it?

14:13:39 [Wayne]

EOWG: without objection, but with regrets we pull it.

14:16:24 [Wayne]

Judy: Would like reaction to the proposal: keep "selected topics" but pull the "large site" section.

14:16:44 [Wayne]

EOWG: aproves without objection.

14:18:39 [Wayne]

Judy: the four pages in draft listed in the agenda, should be put in place on the site with the changes noted in this meeting?

14:18:55 [Wayne]

EOWG: aproved without objection.

14:22:59 [Wayne]

Topic: Selecting Web Evaluation Tools Section

14:23:38 [Zakim]

-Bingham

14:24:36 [Wayne]

Shadi: The changes are section 3: Changed the names, check point coverage was changed. Both changes were suggested in group review.

14:24:39 [Andrew]

Currently http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/eval/selectingtools.html

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+Bingham

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14:34:18 [Justin]

zakim, please unmute me

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Justin should no longer be muted

14:35:31 [Justin]

zakim, please mute me

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Justin should now be muted

14:36:05 [Wayne]

Group: The last sentence of "What ...tools. cannot do" change "make Web sites accessible" to "determine Web sites accessibility."

14:36:51 [Wayne]

Shawn: Please fill out the survey when it comes relating to this meeting.

14:37:14 [Wayne]

Shawn, help how do I determine "action items"?

14:37:20 [Zakim]

-Shadi

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-Doyle_Saylor

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-Tanguy

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-Bingham

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-Helen(probably)

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-Johanna

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-Judy

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-Andrew

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-Justin

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-wayne

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-Shawn

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WAI_EOWG()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Doyle_Saylor, Shawn, Shadi, Judy, Andrew, wayne, Johanna, +1.517.974.aaaa, Justin, Bingham, Helen(probably), Roberto, Tanguy, hbj

14:40:54 [shawn]

present: Doyle_Saylor, Shawn, Shadi, Judy, Andrew, wayne, Johanna, Justin, Bingham, Helen, Roberto, Tanguy, Helle

14:41:20 [shawn]

zakim, bye

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14:41:27 [shawn]

rrsagent, make logs world

14:41:33 [shawn]

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:41:33 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/09-eo-minutes.html shawn

14:41:55 [shawn]

ok, Wayne. you should be able to get the minutes from above URI.

14:43:26 [Andrew]

hey wayne/shawn - who was Johanna?

14:44:31 [Wayne]

Thank you!

14:49:58 [shawn]

Johanna works with Barry. she's interested in eval resource suite. as soon as we figure out how she will fit into gropu, i'll ask her to e-mail introduction to herself to the list

14:50:05 [shawn]

(andrew, answer above)

14:50:30 [shawn]

rrsagent, bye

14:50:30 [RRSAgent]

I see no action items