IRC log of eo on 2005-09-09

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logging to
12:09:11 [Zakim]
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12:09:19 [Justin]
zakim, this will be eowg
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ok, Justin; I see WAI_EOWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 21 minutes
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Meeting: EOWG
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12:14:21 [Wayne]
I'm ready to scribe.
12:15:37 [Justin]
good morning Wayne
12:15:56 [Wayne]
good morning
12:16:40 [shadi]
good afternoon all! ;)
12:16:48 [shadi]
zakim, ping me in 10
12:16:48 [Zakim]
ok, shadi
12:16:56 [Justin]
12:17:00 [Justin]
good afternoon shadi
12:18:56 [Wayne]
I don't think I'll ever live long enough to find live this international conversationl comon place.
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Scribe: Wayne
12:26:49 [Zakim]
shadi, you asked to be pinged at this time
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scribenick: wayne
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WAI_EOWG()8:30AM has now started
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12:30:14 [shadi]
hi aussi andrew
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12:30:37 [Wayne]
zakim, p0 is wayne
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sorry, Wayne, I do not recognize a party named 'p0'
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12:30:48 [Andrew]
Zakim, ??p4 is Andrew
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+Andrew; got it
12:30:56 [Wayne]
zakim, ??p0 is wayne
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+wayne; got it
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12:31:08 [shawn]
zakim, ??P3 is Johanna
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+Johanna; got it
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+ +1.517.974.aaaa
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Hi all
12:31:21 [Justin]
zakim, aaa is Justin
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sorry, Justin, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
12:31:32 [Justin]
zakim, aaaa is Justin
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+Justin; got it
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zakim, please mute me
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Justin should now be muted
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12:32:35 [shawn]
zakim, who is here?
12:32:35 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Doyle_Saylor, Shawn, wayne, Shadi, Judy, Johanna, Andrew, ??P6, Justin (muted), ??P7
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On IRC I see rcastaldo, Andrew, Wayne, Zakim, RRSAgent, Justin, shadi, shawn
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12:33:06 [shawn]
zakim, ??P6 is Helen(probably)
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+Helen(probably); got it
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12:33:36 [rcastaldo]
01zakim, rcastaldo is Roberto Castaldo
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12:33:59 [shawn]
zakim, ??P7 is Roberto
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+Roberto; got it
12:34:11 [rcastaldo]
thanks Shawn
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zakim, ??P8 is Tanguy
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+Tanguy; got it
12:34:36 [Justin]
zakim, please unmute me
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Justin should no longer be muted
12:34:44 [Andrew]
zakim, who is here?
12:34:44 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Doyle_Saylor, Shawn, wayne, Shadi, Judy, Johanna, Andrew, Helen(probably), Justin, Roberto (muted), Tanguy, Bingham
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On IRC I see rcastaldo, Andrew, Wayne, Zakim, RRSAgent, Justin, shadi, shawn
12:35:39 [Wayne]
zakim, mute me
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wayne should now be muted
12:35:56 [Justin]
zakim, mute me
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Justin should now be muted
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zakim, who's here?
12:36:54 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Doyle_Saylor, Shawn, wayne (muted), Shadi, Judy, Johanna, Andrew, Helen(probably), Justin (muted), Roberto, Tanguy, Bingham
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On IRC I see judy, rcastaldo, Andrew, Wayne, Zakim, RRSAgent, Justin, shadi, shawn
12:37:01 [Justin]
Chair: Judy
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Regrets: Barry, Sailesh, Alan, William
12:39:07 [Wayne]
Topic 1: Outreach
12:40:26 [Wayne]
Andrew, what is the exact title of that act that guarentees several rights in education?
12:40:40 [Harvey]
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Disability Standards for Education - see links from
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see also
12:44:10 [Wayne]
Topic 2: Rorganization of the Evaluation Resource Suite
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12:49:27 [Wayne]
Shawn: The purpose of today's review is to evaluate what we have for posting prior to completing all of the propsed sections. Are these ready to post, with a few changes, but without major rewriting?
12:49:57 [Wayne]
Topic: Outreach
12:50:14 [Wayne]
will move this down in rewrite
12:50:41 [Wayne]
Topic: Reorganization of the Evaluation Resource Suite
12:51:09 [Wayne]
move the early conversation.. to this point
12:52:08 [shadi]
12:52:26 [shadi]
zakim, mute hbj
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hbj was already muted, shadi
12:53:30 [Wayne]
Helen: Initial response is that the documents stand alone.
12:54:59 [Wayne]
zakim, mute me
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wayne should now be muted
12:55:29 [Wayne]
EOWG: The documents stand alone.
12:56:30 [shadi]
12:57:51 [Wayne]
Shawn: Do we need to add a small business case paragraph to the overview page?
12:59:09 [Wayne]
Harvey: It wold add to the page and might attact readers.
12:59:36 [shadi]
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fyi old version:
13:02:50 [Wayne]
Shawn: On the Overview Page look now, does the list of items show up well.
13:03:15 [Wayne]
Doyle: I cannot see the whole list...
13:03:50 [Wayne]
Shawn: The intent was not to show the whole list, but that the list is there.
13:04:43 [Wayne]
wayne, mute me
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zakim, mute me
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wayne was already muted, Wayne
13:06:07 [Wayne]
Doyle: My impression is that 2 screens is a natural usability limit.
13:06:59 [Justin]
zakim, unmute me
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13:07:43 [Wayne]
Shawn: One thing we would like to add is some kind of business benefits. For now we have just one addition to this list, but later there could be more.
13:09:09 [Wayne]
Judy: What if we had an h2 that has contents of resource suite.
13:10:39 [Wayne]
Shawn: We are using an anotated list pages -merges title anotation with a page contents box.
13:13:27 [Wayne]
Shadi: in the previous version the links were separated. See in IRC the "fyi old version..."
13:14:08 [Justin]
zakim, please mute me
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Justin should now be muted
13:18:39 [Wayne]
Roberto: The name "consideration for specific Contexts" needs work.
13:23:01 [judy]
(looking at: )
13:23:19 [Wayne]
Shawn: Is everyone comfortable with the currnet title for the "tools list".
13:24:51 [judy]
Shawn: ...and with the reporting template?
13:25:02 [judy]
[No objections]
13:25:19 [Wayne]
Shawn: Does the long title on anotated link list correspond well with the short title on the actual dlcument?
13:25:53 [Wayne]
EOWG: yes
13:26:44 [Wayne]
Shawn: Will we add the small business case paragraph be added now or with the next revision.
13:27:52 [Wayne]
Shadi: This would come quite soon? At this point the mini business case paragraph wuld be added.
13:29:38 [Wayne]
Shawn: Given the need for review and the editors schedule this would delay the posting by a month.
13:34:53 [Wayne]
Shawn: Reconsider the title "considerations for Specific Content".
13:37:41 [Wayne]
Shadi: The special considerations page came out in a face to face discussion, but we did not come up with a specific title.
13:40:43 [Justin]
zakim, please unmute me
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13:41:25 [Wayne]
Hellen: If you read the page the title is clear, but the title does not lead you to the page.
13:43:11 [Justin]
Considerations for Evaluating Special Types of Web Sites
13:45:41 [Wayne]
EOWG Brainstorm: Managing, strategies, different kinds of websites, managine evaluation strategies your business might have...,
13:45:44 [judy]
brainstorm options:
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managing evaluation
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evaluation strategies
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Things to Consider Along The Way
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evaluation approaches
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evaluation considerations
13:47:05 [Wayne]
zakim, mute me
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13:47:05 [Harvey]
help with evaluation planning
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additional conderations
13:47:30 [Justin]
zakim, please mute me
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Justin should now be muted
13:48:21 [Wayne]
Johana: (spelling?) Accessibility evaluation needs to be clear?
13:48:25 [judy]
specific contexts for web accessibility evaluation
13:50:03 [Andrew]
Andrew: considerations for accessibility evaluation
13:50:30 [judy]
specific context consideration...
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Special Considerations of Web Accessibility Evaluation
13:50:59 [Andrew]
Andrew: so what about - considerations for accessibility evaluation in specific contexts
13:51:27 [Wayne]
Roberto: Specific context is ok, long "specfic context for consideration".
13:51:42 [judy]
evaluation approaches for specific contexts
13:52:04 [judy]
context considerations for web accessibility evaluation
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contextual considerations for web accessibility evaluation
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specific contexts that influence evaluation
13:53:56 [Andrew]
Andrew likes Judy's suggestion "Evaluation Approaches for Specific Contexts"
13:54:39 [rcastaldo]
Specific contexts notes for 01web accessibility evaluation
13:54:46 [Wayne]
Judy: I favor something that includes web accessiblity. Reactions: Specific Contests for Web Accessibility Evaluation.
13:54:56 [judy]
evaluation approaches for specific contexts
13:55:04 [judy]
13:55:19 [judy]
specific contexts for web accessibility evaluation
13:55:20 [Wayne]
Andrew: Invert it Evaluation aproaches is the lead (key).
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13:57:06 [Helle]
13:57:27 [Wayne]
Judy: (1) Evaluation approaches for specific contexts (2) Specific Contexts for Web Accessibility Evaluation.
13:59:44 [Wayne]
EOWG: without objective.. votes for (1)
14:00:54 [Wayne]
Shawn: Approach for Specific Contexts would wrap but it might be complete.
14:01:04 [judy]
14:01:15 [Wayne]
Andrew: Just use "Specific Contexts" for the short name.
14:01:27 [Wayne]
EOWG: no objections
14:02:00 [Wayne]
shawn, what are the action items?
14:05:48 [Wayne]
Shawn: We move to 2c. Serious concerns..
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14:08:27 [rcastaldo]
Bye all
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14:11:41 [Harvey]
I'd like to have a feedback person to report problems to, with authority to get the problem fixed
14:13:07 [Wayne]
Shawn: Thare are many weakness to the page, so should we change it or pull it?
14:13:39 [Wayne]
EOWG: without objection, but with regrets we pull it.
14:16:24 [Wayne]
Judy: Would like reaction to the proposal: keep "selected topics" but pull the "large site" section.
14:16:44 [Wayne]
EOWG: aproves without objection.
14:18:39 [Wayne]
Judy: the four pages in draft listed in the agenda, should be put in place on the site with the changes noted in this meeting?
14:18:55 [Wayne]
EOWG: aproved without objection.
14:22:59 [Wayne]
Topic: Selecting Web Evaluation Tools Section
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14:24:36 [Wayne]
Shadi: The changes are section 3: Changed the names, check point coverage was changed. Both changes were suggested in group review.
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zakim, please unmute me
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Justin should no longer be muted
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zakim, please mute me
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Justin should now be muted
14:36:05 [Wayne]
Group: The last sentence of "What cannot do" change "make Web sites accessible" to "determine Web sites accessibility."
14:36:51 [Wayne]
Shawn: Please fill out the survey when it comes relating to this meeting.
14:37:14 [Wayne]
Shawn, help how do I determine "action items"?
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WAI_EOWG()8:30AM has ended
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Attendees were Doyle_Saylor, Shawn, Shadi, Judy, Andrew, wayne, Johanna, +1.517.974.aaaa, Justin, Bingham, Helen(probably), Roberto, Tanguy, hbj
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present: Doyle_Saylor, Shawn, Shadi, Judy, Andrew, wayne, Johanna, Justin, Bingham, Helen, Roberto, Tanguy, Helle
14:41:20 [shawn]
zakim, bye
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14:41:27 [shawn]
rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, draft minutes
14:41:33 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate shawn
14:41:55 [shawn]
ok, Wayne. you should be able to get the minutes from above URI.
14:43:26 [Andrew]
hey wayne/shawn - who was Johanna?
14:44:31 [Wayne]
Thank you!
14:49:58 [shawn]
Johanna works with Barry. she's interested in eval resource suite. as soon as we figure out how she will fit into gropu, i'll ask her to e-mail introduction to herself to the list
14:50:05 [shawn]
(andrew, answer above)
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rrsagent, bye
14:50:30 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items