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19:56:04 <wendy> RRSAgent, make logs world
19:56:06 <wendy> Agenda: 
19:56:09 <wendy> oops
19:56:38 <wendy> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0715.html
19:56:50 <wendy> agenda+ Techniques Task Force (TTF) update
19:56:59 <wendy> agenda+ 10.2 Mapping Proposal <http://tinyurl.com/c7mnq>
19:57:06 <wendy> agenda+ Guideline 3.2 proposed SC <http://tinyurl.com/7fs8x>
19:57:17 <wendy> agenda+ Plan to publish mapping <http://tinyurl.com/7mgb2>
19:57:33 <wendy> agenda+ Document formats and templates. Proposal: <http://tinyurl.com/9wv6c> 
19:57:44 <wendy> agenda+ Teams and assignments
19:57:52 <wendy> agenda+ Working Group "Heartbeat" Requirement <http://tinyurl.com/997s5>
19:57:57 <wendy> Chair: Gregg
19:58:04 <wendy> Meeting: WCAG WG weekly telecon
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19:59:44 <wendy> Regrets: Yvette Hoitink, Rob Haverty, Roberto Scano, Luca Mascaro
20:01:22 <ben> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:01:22 <Zakim> sorry, ben, I don't know what conference this is
20:01:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see nabe, Michael, Tim, Christophe_S, Don, RRSAgent, ben, Zakim, wendy
20:01:35 <ben> zakim, list conferences
20:01:35 <Zakim> I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM active
20:01:36 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are WAI_UAWG()2:00PM, XML_QueryWG(ttf)3:00PM
20:01:39 <ben> zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
20:01:39 <Zakim> ok, ben; that matches WAI_WCAG()4:00PM
20:01:40 <Andi> Andi has joined #wai-wcag
20:01:45 <ben> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:01:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tim_Boland, ??P0, Andi_Snow_Weaver
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20:01:56 <Zakim> +Don_Evans
20:02:03 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
20:02:05 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
20:02:08 <Zakim> +Matt_May
20:02:19 <Zakim> +Wendy
20:02:20 <Zakim> +??P7
20:02:23 <ben> zakim, ??P7 is Gregg_and_Ben
20:02:23 <Zakim> +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
20:02:46 <nabe> zakim, ??P0 is Takayuki_Watanabe
20:02:46 <Zakim> +Takayuki_Watanabe; got it
20:02:49 <wendy> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:02:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tim_Boland, Takayuki_Watanabe, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Don_Evans, Michael_Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, Matt_May, Gregg_and_Ben, Wendy
20:02:51 <Christophe_S> zakim, I am Christophe_Strobbe
20:02:51 <Zakim> ok, Christophe_S, I now associate you with Christophe_Strobbe
20:02:56 <wendy> tim?
20:03:02 <Zakim> +John_Slatin
20:03:18 <nabe> zakim, I am Takayuki_Watanabe
20:03:18 <Zakim> ok, nabe, I now associate you with Takayuki_Watanabe
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20:03:32 <rcastaldo> Hi folks :)
20:03:40 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:03:41 <ben> scribe: ben
20:04:02 <Zakim> +??P10
20:04:29 <Zakim> +??P11
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20:04:46 <wendy> zakim, ??P11 is Kate_Haritos-Shea
20:04:46 <Zakim> +Kate_Haritos-Shea; got it
20:04:50 <ben> zakim, ??P10 is Roberto_Costaldo
20:04:50 <Zakim> +Roberto_Costaldo; got it
20:04:55 <wendy> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:04:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tim_Boland, Takayuki_Watanabe, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Don_Evans, Michael_Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, Matt_May, Gregg_and_Ben, Wendy, John_Slatin,
20:04:59 <Zakim> ... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Roberto_Costaldo, Kate_Haritos-Shea
20:05:00 <Zakim> +Neil_Soiffer
20:05:10 <rellero> problems with dialpad
20:05:28 <Zakim> +??P13
20:05:47 <ben> zakim, ??P13 is Gian_Sampson-Wild
20:05:47 <Zakim> +Gian_Sampson-Wild; got it
20:06:11 <Zakim> -Gian_Sampson-Wild
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20:08:54 <wendy> zakim, who's making noise?
20:08:55 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 1
20:08:55 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Techniques Task Force (TTF) update" taken up [from wendy]
20:09:05 <Zakim> wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Takayuki_Watanabe (40%)
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20:09:13 <nabe> zakim, mute me
20:09:13 <Zakim> Takayuki_Watanabe should now be muted
20:09:28 <ben> continued techniques harvesting prioritization and review
20:09:36 <Zakim> +??P13
20:09:43 <bengt> zakim, ??P13 is Bengt_Farre
20:09:43 <Zakim> +Bengt_Farre; got it
20:09:52 <ben> zakim, next agendum
20:09:52 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, ben
20:09:59 <ben> zakim, close this item
20:09:59 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
20:10:01 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
20:10:02 <Zakim> 2. 10.2 Mapping Proposal <http://tinyurl.com/c7mnq> [from wendy]
20:10:09 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 2
20:10:09 <Zakim> agendum 2. "10.2 Mapping Proposal <http://tinyurl.com/c7mnq>" taken up [from wendy]
20:11:35 <Zakim> +??P14
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20:13:51 <ben> zakim, ??P14 is Kerstin_Goldsmith
20:13:51 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Goldsmith; got it
20:14:01 <ben> q+
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20:14:16 <wendy> ack q
20:14:37 <Zakim> +??P15
20:14:41 <gregg> ack b
20:15:14 <Zakim> -Matt_May
20:15:31 <Zakim> +Matt_May
20:15:42 <ben> zakim, ??P15 is Gian_Sampson-Wild
20:15:42 <Zakim> +Gian_Sampson-Wild; got it
20:16:27 <wendy> ack j
20:16:27 <ben> ack John
20:17:21 <wendy> q+ to say "#  When a page or other delivery unit is navigated sequentially, elements receive focus in an order that follows relationships and sequences in the content. [I] level 3"
20:17:41 <gregg> ack w
20:17:41 <Zakim> wendy, you wanted to say "#  When a page or other delivery unit is navigated sequentially, elements receive focus in an order that follows relationships and sequences in the
20:17:45 <Zakim> ... content. [I] level 3"
20:18:15 <Andi> q+
20:19:10 <gregg> a+
20:19:13 <gregg> q+
20:19:17 <gregg> ack andi
20:19:30 <ben> ack gr
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20:25:51 <wendy> q+
20:26:30 <Andi> q+
20:26:32 <ben> ack w
20:26:33 <gregg> ack w
20:28:08 <wendy> chris' reasoning (to keep label positioning): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0198.html
20:28:12 <gregg> ack a
20:28:27 <wendy> gez's feedback/position: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0199.html
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20:30:41 <ben> ack Tim
20:32:00 <Zakim> +??P16
20:32:04 <Makoto> zakim, ??P16 is Makoto
20:32:04 <Zakim> +Makoto; got it
20:32:17 <wendy> questions: 1. map 10.2 to 1.3 level 3 #1? if yes, done with mapping. 2. redefine prog. determined?  if yes, accept ben's defn?
20:32:25 <wendy> q+
20:33:19 <gregg> ack w
20:35:36 <wendy> Proposed wording programmatically determined means that the specific value can be determined in a standard and supported, machine or software readable form.
20:35:38 <wendy> Current wording programmatically determined means that the specific value can be determined in a standard, machine or software readable form.
20:38:12 <ben> issue: what is meant by "supported"? Is one screenreader enough?
20:38:21 <Zakim> -Makoto
20:39:55 <wendy> resolution: do not adopt proposed defn of programmatically determine b/c don't have defn of "supported" that isn't a "slippery slope."
20:40:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:40:25 <Makoto> zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto
20:40:25 <Zakim> +Makoto; got it
20:42:55 <ben> resolution: map WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 10.2 to advisory.
20:43:20 <ben> action: gian to look at proposal for new SC to address positioning of labels
20:44:24 <ben> agenda?
20:44:40 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 3
20:44:40 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Guideline 3.2 proposed SC <http://tinyurl.com/7fs8x>" taken up [from wendy]
20:45:07 <Michael> zakim, unmute me
20:45:07 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
20:46:03 <Andi> q+
20:46:14 <Michael> q+
20:46:45 <Michael> q-
20:46:51 <ben> ack Andi
20:46:51 <gregg> ack a
20:46:58 <wendy> regrets+ Sebastiano Nutarelli 
20:48:05 <ben> ack Gian
20:48:42 <Andi> q+
20:49:14 <gregg> Q+
20:49:15 <ben> ack John
20:49:51 <Andi> q-
20:50:52 <ben> ack gregg
20:52:36 <ben> ack John
20:54:39 <Zakim> -Don_Evans
20:58:51 <Zakim> -Neil_Soiffer
21:04:45 <Kesh> q+
21:04:52 <wendy> zakim, who's on the phone?
21:04:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tim_Boland, Takayuki_Watanabe (muted), Andi_Snow_Weaver, Michael_Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_and_Ben, Wendy, John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid,
21:04:56 <Zakim> ... Roberto_Costaldo (muted), Kate_Haritos-Shea, Bengt_Farre, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Matt_May, Makoto
21:05:10 <wendy> 17 people on the call
21:05:41 <Kesh> q-
21:06:21 <wendy> scribe: wendy
21:06:21 <ben> ack John
21:06:54 <wendy> scribe: ben
21:07:26 <ben> resolution: do not include proposed SC, "Within a set of delivery units, components that are rendered the same have the same function."
21:07:37 <Zakim> -Gian_Sampson-Wild
21:07:37 <wendy> zakim, next item
21:07:38 <Zakim> agendum 2. "10.2 Mapping Proposal <http://tinyurl.com/c7mnq>" taken up [from wendy]
21:07:42 <wendy> scribe: wendy
21:07:51 <wendy> oops. zakim, close item 2
21:07:55 <wendy> zakim, close item 2
21:07:55 <Zakim> agendum 2, 10.2 Mapping Proposal <http://tinyurl.com/c7mnq>, closed
21:07:56 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:07:58 <Zakim> 4. Plan to publish mapping <http://tinyurl.com/7mgb2> [from wendy]
21:08:06 <wendy> zakim, take up item 4
21:08:06 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Plan to publish mapping <http://tinyurl.com/7mgb2>" taken up [from wendy]
21:09:16 <wendy> gv - mapping will be published as part of "heartbeat requirement" - i.e., have to publish docs on rec track every 3 months. will be published as appendix to next wcag 2.0 WD in september.
21:10:09 <wendy> heartbeat requirement in w3c process: http://www.w3.org/2004/02/Process-20040205/groups.html#three-month-rule
21:10:22 <wendy> zakim, next item
21:10:33 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Document formats and templates. Proposal: <http://tinyurl.com/9wv6c>" taken up [from wendy]
21:11:44 <wendy> comments? gv will be republishing after this call (and will include comments sent to the list thus far)
21:12:16 <Michael> q+
21:12:22 <wendy> ack m
21:12:37 <Zakim> +PaulC/Christophe
21:12:43 <wendy> techniques doc - "when does this tech work or not?" is that an applicability condition?
21:15:21 <wendy> action: michael propose sentence about "applicabilty conditions" for doc formats and templates.
21:15:28 <wendy> zakim, PaulC/Christophe is Gian
21:15:28 <Zakim> +Gian; got it
21:15:57 <wendy> resolution: adopt proposal as working documents and directions/templates.
21:16:02 <wendy> zakim, next item
21:16:02 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Teams and assignments" taken up [from wendy]
21:19:07 <wendy> zakim, who's making noise?
21:19:19 <Zakim> wendy, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gian (4%), Christophe_Strobbe (12%), Gregg_and_Ben (100%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (4%), Makoto (4%)
21:19:36 <wendy> zakim, who's muted?
21:19:36 <Zakim> I see Takayuki_Watanabe, Roberto_Costaldo muted
21:19:55 <wendy> zakim, mute christophe
21:19:55 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
21:19:59 <Makoto> zakim, mute me
21:19:59 <Zakim> Makoto should now be muted
21:20:01 <wendy> christophe - fyi - muted you.
21:22:19 <wendy> zakim, who's making noise?
21:22:30 <Zakim> wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tim_Boland (45%), Gregg_and_Ben (39%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (25%)
21:22:54 <wendy> zakim, mute tim
21:22:54 <Zakim> Tim_Boland should now be muted
21:23:30 <Kesh> q+
21:23:59 <wendy> ack ke
21:25:03 <wendy> success criterion -> guide for SC -> sufficient techniques to meet SC -> tests to determine implementation of techniques
21:25:55 <wendy> only guidelines and SC are normative.  all other pieces are informative - "what the WCAG WG believes is sufficient"
21:26:46 <Andi> q+
21:27:13 <wendy> resolution: we will move from old model (1 Techniques Task Force working on techniques and tests) to new model (2 or 3 task forces working on end-to-end) 
21:27:44 <wendy> q+
21:27:47 <wendy> ack a
21:27:58 <wendy> ack w
21:30:50 <wendy> q+
21:32:58 <wendy> ack q
21:32:59 <gregg> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2005/09/teamtf.html
21:33:00 <wendy> ack w
21:38:00 <wendy> q+
21:38:56 <wendy> q-
21:40:08 <Christophe_S> q+ to say "What technologies are we trying to cover: HTML, CSS, Client-side scripting? Or also SVG?"
21:40:09 <Christophe_S> zakim, unmute me
21:40:09 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
21:40:20 <wendy> ack c
21:40:20 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe, you wanted to say "What technologies are we trying to cover: HTML, CSS, Client-side scripting? Or also SVG?"
21:40:52 <wendy> q+
21:42:08 <ben> ack wen
21:43:41 <Zakim> -Kate_Haritos-Shea
21:45:10 <wendy> zakim, next item
21:45:10 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Working Group "Heartbeat" Requirement <http://tinyurl.com/997s5>" taken up [from wendy]
21:45:15 <wendy> zakim, close item 7
21:45:15 <Zakim> agendum 7, Working Group "Heartbeat" Requirement <http://tinyurl.com/997s5>, closed
21:45:15 <Christophe_S> q+ to say "Can we add more padding to 'p.instructions, div.instructions ' style rule in the techniques template (.5em), especially left and right"
21:45:17 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
21:47:13 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
21:47:17 <wendy> ack christophe
21:47:17 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe, you wanted to say "Can we add more padding to 'p.instructions, div.instructions ' style rule in the techniques template (.5em), especially left and right"
21:47:21 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
21:47:25 <Tim> Tim has left #wai-wcag
21:52:26 <wendy> action: wendy create 3 separate mailing lists (1 for each task force/team) (public-wcag-teama, public-wcag-teamb, public-wcag-teamc ?)
21:57:29 <rcastaldo> Bye all :)
21:57:30 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
21:57:31 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Goldsmith
21:57:32 <Zakim> -Gregg_and_Ben
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21:57:33 <Zakim> -Wendy
21:57:34 <Zakim> -Gian
21:57:35 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
21:57:36 <Zakim> -Matt_May
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21:57:38 <Zakim> -John_Slatin
21:57:39 <Zakim> -Bengt_Farre
21:57:40 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:57:41 <Zakim> -Makoto
21:57:43 <Zakim> -Roberto_Costaldo
21:57:45 <Zakim> -Takayuki_Watanabe
21:57:47 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
21:57:49 <Zakim> Attendees were Tim_Boland, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Don_Evans, Christophe_Strobbe, Michael_Cooper, Matt_May, Wendy, Gregg_and_Ben, Takayuki_Watanabe, John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid,
21:57:52 <Zakim> ... Kate_Haritos-Shea, Roberto_Costaldo, Neil_Soiffer, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Bengt_Farre, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Makoto, Gian
21:58:03 <wendy> RRSAgent, generate minutes
21:58:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/01-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
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22:17:19 <wendy> zakim, bye
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22:17:22 <wendy> RRSAgent, bye
22:17:22 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/01-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
22:17:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gian to look at proposal for new SC to address positioning of labels [1]
22:17:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/01-wai-wcag-irc#T20-43-20
22:17:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: michael propose sentence about "applicabilty conditions" for doc formats and templates. [2]
22:17:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/01-wai-wcag-irc#T21-15-21
22:17:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: wendy create 3 separate mailing lists (1 for each task force/team) (public-wcag-teama, public-wcag-teamb, public-wcag-teamc ?) [3]
22:17:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/01-wai-wcag-irc#T21-52-26