IRC log of wai-wcag on 2005-09-01
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Agenda:
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- oops
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0715.html
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- agenda+ Techniques Task Force (TTF) update
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- agenda+ 10.2 Mapping Proposal <http://tinyurl.com/c7mnq>
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- agenda+ Guideline 3.2 proposed SC <http://tinyurl.com/7fs8x>
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- agenda+ Plan to publish mapping <http://tinyurl.com/7mgb2>
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- agenda+ Document formats and templates. Proposal: <http://tinyurl.com/9wv6c>
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- agenda+ Teams and assignments
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- agenda+ Working Group "Heartbeat" Requirement <http://tinyurl.com/997s5>
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- Chair: Gregg
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- Meeting: WCAG WG weekly telecon
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- Regrets: Yvette Hoitink, Rob Haverty, Roberto Scano, Luca Mascaro
- 20:01:22 [ben]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:01:22 [Zakim]
- sorry, ben, I don't know what conference this is
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- On IRC I see nabe, Michael, Tim, Christophe_S, Don, RRSAgent, ben, Zakim, wendy
- 20:01:35 [ben]
- zakim, list conferences
- 20:01:35 [Zakim]
- I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM active
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- also scheduled at this time are WAI_UAWG()2:00PM, XML_QueryWG(ttf)3:00PM
- 20:01:39 [ben]
- zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
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- ok, ben; that matches WAI_WCAG()4:00PM
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- zakim, who's on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Tim_Boland, ??P0, Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- +Don_Evans
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- +Michael_Cooper
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- +Matt_May
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- +Wendy
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- +??P7
- 20:02:23 [ben]
- zakim, ??P7 is Gregg_and_Ben
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- +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
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- zakim, ??P0 is Takayuki_Watanabe
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- +Takayuki_Watanabe; got it
- 20:02:49 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:02:49 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Tim_Boland, Takayuki_Watanabe, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Don_Evans, Michael_Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, Matt_May, Gregg_and_Ben, Wendy
- 20:02:51 [Christophe_S]
- zakim, I am Christophe_Strobbe
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- ok, Christophe_S, I now associate you with Christophe_Strobbe
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- tim?
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- +John_Slatin
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- zakim, I am Takayuki_Watanabe
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- ok, nabe, I now associate you with Takayuki_Watanabe
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- Hi folks :)
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- scribe: ben
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- +??P10
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- +??P11
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- zakim, ??P11 is Kate_Haritos-Shea
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- +Kate_Haritos-Shea; got it
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- zakim, ??P10 is Roberto_Costaldo
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- +Roberto_Costaldo; got it
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- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:04:55 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Tim_Boland, Takayuki_Watanabe, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Don_Evans, Michael_Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, Matt_May, Gregg_and_Ben, Wendy, John_Slatin,
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- ... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Roberto_Costaldo, Kate_Haritos-Shea
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- +Neil_Soiffer
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- problems with dialpad
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- +??P13
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- zakim, ??P13 is Gian_Sampson-Wild
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- +Gian_Sampson-Wild; got it
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- -Gian_Sampson-Wild
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- zakim, who's making noise?
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Techniques Task Force (TTF) update" taken up [from wendy]
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- wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Takayuki_Watanabe (40%)
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- zakim, mute me
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- Takayuki_Watanabe should now be muted
- 20:09:28 [ben]
- continued techniques harvesting prioritization and review
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- +??P13
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- zakim, ??P13 is Bengt_Farre
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- +Bengt_Farre; got it
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- zakim, next agendum
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- agendum 1 was just opened, ben
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 1 closed
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- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. 10.2 Mapping Proposal <http://tinyurl.com/c7mnq> [from wendy]
- 20:10:09 [ben]
- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2. "10.2 Mapping Proposal <http://tinyurl.com/c7mnq>" taken up [from wendy]
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- +??P14
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- zakim, ??P14 is Kerstin_Goldsmith
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- +Kerstin_Goldsmith; got it
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- q+
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- ack q
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- +??P15
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- ack b
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- -Matt_May
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- +Matt_May
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- zakim, ??P15 is Gian_Sampson-Wild
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- +Gian_Sampson-Wild; got it
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- ack j
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- ack John
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- q+ to say "# When a page or other delivery unit is navigated sequentially, elements receive focus in an order that follows relationships and sequences in the content. [I] level 3"
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- ack w
- 20:17:41 [Zakim]
- wendy, you wanted to say "# When a page or other delivery unit is navigated sequentially, elements receive focus in an order that follows relationships and sequences in the
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- ... content. [I] level 3"
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- q+
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- a+
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- q+
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- ack andi
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- ack gr
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack w
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- ack w
- 20:28:08 [wendy]
- chris' reasoning (to keep label positioning): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0198.html
- 20:28:12 [gregg]
- ack a
- 20:28:27 [wendy]
- gez's feedback/position: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0199.html
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- ack Tim
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- +??P16
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- zakim, ??P16 is Makoto
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- +Makoto; got it
- 20:32:17 [wendy]
- questions: 1. map 10.2 to 1.3 level 3 #1? if yes, done with mapping. 2. redefine prog. determined? if yes, accept ben's defn?
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- q+
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- ack w
- 20:35:36 [wendy]
- Proposed wording programmatically determined means that the specific value can be determined in a standard and supported, machine or software readable form.
- 20:35:38 [wendy]
- Current wording programmatically determined means that the specific value can be determined in a standard, machine or software readable form.
- 20:38:12 [ben]
- issue: what is meant by "supported"? Is one screenreader enough?
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- -Makoto
- 20:39:55 [wendy]
- resolution: do not adopt proposed defn of programmatically determine b/c don't have defn of "supported" that isn't a "slippery slope."
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto
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- +Makoto; got it
- 20:42:55 [ben]
- resolution: map WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 10.2 to advisory.
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- action: gian to look at proposal for new SC to address positioning of labels
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "Guideline 3.2 proposed SC <http://tinyurl.com/7fs8x>" taken up [from wendy]
- 20:45:07 [Michael]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
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- q+
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- q+
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- q-
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- ack Andi
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- ack a
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- regrets+ Sebastiano Nutarelli
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- ack Gian
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- q+
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- Q+
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- ack John
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- q-
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- ack gregg
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- ack John
- 20:54:39 [Zakim]
- -Don_Evans
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- -Neil_Soiffer
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- q+
- 21:04:52 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 21:04:52 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Tim_Boland, Takayuki_Watanabe (muted), Andi_Snow_Weaver, Michael_Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_and_Ben, Wendy, John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid,
- 21:04:56 [Zakim]
- ... Roberto_Costaldo (muted), Kate_Haritos-Shea, Bengt_Farre, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Matt_May, Makoto
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- 17 people on the call
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- q-
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- scribe: wendy
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- ack John
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- scribe: ben
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- resolution: do not include proposed SC, "Within a set of delivery units, components that are rendered the same have the same function."
- 21:07:37 [Zakim]
- -Gian_Sampson-Wild
- 21:07:37 [wendy]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "10.2 Mapping Proposal <http://tinyurl.com/c7mnq>" taken up [from wendy]
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- scribe: wendy
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- oops. zakim, close item 2
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- zakim, close item 2
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- agendum 2, 10.2 Mapping Proposal <http://tinyurl.com/c7mnq>, closed
- 21:07:56 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 21:07:58 [Zakim]
- 4. Plan to publish mapping <http://tinyurl.com/7mgb2> [from wendy]
- 21:08:06 [wendy]
- zakim, take up item 4
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- agendum 4. "Plan to publish mapping <http://tinyurl.com/7mgb2>" taken up [from wendy]
- 21:09:16 [wendy]
- gv - mapping will be published as part of "heartbeat requirement" - i.e., have to publish docs on rec track every 3 months. will be published as appendix to next wcag 2.0 WD in september.
- 21:10:09 [wendy]
- heartbeat requirement in w3c process: http://www.w3.org/2004/02/Process-20040205/groups.html#three-month-rule
- 21:10:22 [wendy]
- zakim, next item
- 21:10:33 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "Document formats and templates. Proposal: <http://tinyurl.com/9wv6c>" taken up [from wendy]
- 21:11:44 [wendy]
- comments? gv will be republishing after this call (and will include comments sent to the list thus far)
- 21:12:16 [Michael]
- q+
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- ack m
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- +PaulC/Christophe
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- techniques doc - "when does this tech work or not?" is that an applicability condition?
- 21:15:21 [wendy]
- action: michael propose sentence about "applicabilty conditions" for doc formats and templates.
- 21:15:28 [wendy]
- zakim, PaulC/Christophe is Gian
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- +Gian; got it
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- resolution: adopt proposal as working documents and directions/templates.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6. "Teams and assignments" taken up [from wendy]
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- zakim, who's making noise?
- 21:19:19 [Zakim]
- wendy, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gian (4%), Christophe_Strobbe (12%), Gregg_and_Ben (100%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (4%), Makoto (4%)
- 21:19:36 [wendy]
- zakim, who's muted?
- 21:19:36 [Zakim]
- I see Takayuki_Watanabe, Roberto_Costaldo muted
- 21:19:55 [wendy]
- zakim, mute christophe
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- Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
- 21:19:59 [Makoto]
- zakim, mute me
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- Makoto should now be muted
- 21:20:01 [wendy]
- christophe - fyi - muted you.
- 21:22:19 [wendy]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 21:22:30 [Zakim]
- wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tim_Boland (45%), Gregg_and_Ben (39%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (25%)
- 21:22:54 [wendy]
- zakim, mute tim
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- Tim_Boland should now be muted
- 21:23:30 [Kesh]
- q+
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- ack ke
- 21:25:03 [wendy]
- success criterion -> guide for SC -> sufficient techniques to meet SC -> tests to determine implementation of techniques
- 21:25:55 [wendy]
- only guidelines and SC are normative. all other pieces are informative - "what the WCAG WG believes is sufficient"
- 21:26:46 [Andi]
- q+
- 21:27:13 [wendy]
- resolution: we will move from old model (1 Techniques Task Force working on techniques and tests) to new model (2 or 3 task forces working on end-to-end)
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- q+
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- ack a
- 21:27:58 [wendy]
- ack w
- 21:30:50 [wendy]
- q+
- 21:32:58 [wendy]
- ack q
- 21:32:59 [gregg]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2005/09/teamtf.html
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- ack w
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- q+
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- q-
- 21:40:08 [Christophe_S]
- q+ to say "What technologies are we trying to cover: HTML, CSS, Client-side scripting? Or also SVG?"
- 21:40:09 [Christophe_S]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
- 21:40:20 [wendy]
- ack c
- 21:40:20 [Zakim]
- Christophe_Strobbe, you wanted to say "What technologies are we trying to cover: HTML, CSS, Client-side scripting? Or also SVG?"
- 21:40:52 [wendy]
- q+
- 21:42:08 [ben]
- ack wen
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- -Kate_Haritos-Shea
- 21:45:10 [wendy]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 7. "Working Group "Heartbeat" Requirement <http://tinyurl.com/997s5>" taken up [from wendy]
- 21:45:15 [wendy]
- zakim, close item 7
- 21:45:15 [Zakim]
- agendum 7, Working Group "Heartbeat" Requirement <http://tinyurl.com/997s5>, closed
- 21:45:15 [Christophe_S]
- q+ to say "Can we add more padding to 'p.instructions, div.instructions ' style rule in the techniques template (.5em), especially left and right"
- 21:45:17 [Zakim]
- I see nothing remaining on the agenda
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- -Michael_Cooper
- 21:47:17 [wendy]
- ack christophe
- 21:47:17 [Zakim]
- Christophe_Strobbe, you wanted to say "Can we add more padding to 'p.instructions, div.instructions ' style rule in the techniques template (.5em), especially left and right"
- 21:47:21 [Zakim]
- -Tim_Boland
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- Tim has left #wai-wcag
- 21:52:26 [wendy]
- action: wendy create 3 separate mailing lists (1 for each task force/team) (public-wcag-teama, public-wcag-teamb, public-wcag-teamc ?)
- 21:57:29 [rcastaldo]
- Bye all :)
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- -Kerstin_Goldsmith
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- -Gregg_and_Ben
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- rcastaldo has left #wai-wcag
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- -Wendy
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- -Gian
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- -Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- -Matt_May
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- -John_Slatin
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- -Bengt_Farre
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- -Makoto
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- -Roberto_Costaldo
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- -Takayuki_Watanabe
- 21:57:47 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Tim_Boland, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Don_Evans, Christophe_Strobbe, Michael_Cooper, Matt_May, Wendy, Gregg_and_Ben, Takayuki_Watanabe, John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid,
- 21:57:52 [Zakim]
- ... Kate_Haritos-Shea, Roberto_Costaldo, Neil_Soiffer, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Bengt_Farre, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Makoto, Gian
- 21:58:03 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/01-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
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- zakim, bye
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/01-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
- 22:17:22 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: gian to look at proposal for new SC to address positioning of labels [1]
- 22:17:22 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/01-wai-wcag-irc#T20-43-20
- 22:17:22 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: michael propose sentence about "applicabilty conditions" for doc formats and templates. [2]
- 22:17:22 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/01-wai-wcag-irc#T21-15-21
- 22:17:22 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: wendy create 3 separate mailing lists (1 for each task force/team) (public-wcag-teama, public-wcag-teamb, public-wcag-teamc ?) [3]
- 22:17:22 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/01-wai-wcag-irc#T21-52-26