IRC log of er on 2005-08-30
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/08/30-er-irc
- 15:53:21 [Zakim]
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- 15:53:29 [shadi]
- zakim, this will be ert
- 15:53:29 [Zakim]
- ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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- meeting: ERT WG
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0052.html
- 15:53:59 [shadi]
- agendum+ Assertor Class
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- agendum+ Report Class
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- agendum+ Additional Properties
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- agendum+ F2F Registration
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- agendum+ Location Class
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- chair: shadi
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- regrets: none
- 15:55:56 [ChrisR]
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- WAI_ERTWG()12:00PM has now started
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- +Shadi
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- +Sandor_Herramhof
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- +[IPcaller]
- 16:01:56 [shadi]
- zakim, ipcaller is really Chris
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- +Chris; got it
- 16:02:26 [CarlosI]
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- +[IPcaller]
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- +Jose_Manuel_Alonso/CarlosI
- 16:04:48 [shadi]
- zakim, ipcaller is really Charles
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- +Charles; got it
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- zakim, Charles is really Nick
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- +Nick; got it
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- 16:06:38 [chaals]
- Grrr. Waiting for connection manually
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- Grrrr, zakim hung up on me
- 16:07:52 [shadi]
- :(
- 16:09:00 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Assertor Class" taken up [from shadi]
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- +??P7
- 16:09:41 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0047
- 16:10:01 [shadi]
- zakim, ??p7 is really Charles
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- +Charles; got it
- 16:10:03 [chaals]
- scribe: chaals
- 16:11:53 [chaals]
- Shadi: comments on the proposal?
- 16:12:48 [niq]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20050825
- 16:13:00 [niq]
- example 4, you're in two minds
- 16:13:20 [niq]
- <earl:PersonUsingTool ...> ... </earl:Assertor>
- 16:14:18 [niq]
- chaals?
- 16:16:27 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0047
- 16:16:55 [JohannesK]
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- 16:18:05 [chaals]
- chaals: seems like a lot of verbiage. Not sure that we need it all, but I don't see anything wrong with it.
- 16:18:12 [chaals]
- niq: At first glance I like it.
- 16:18:14 [niq]
- not me guv
- 16:19:45 [chaals]
- shadi: this is meant to be clearer than having an Assertor represent a single Assertor.
- 16:21:07 [Zakim]
- +Klaus/Thomas
- 16:21:20 [chaals]
- s/single assertor/either a single person, tool, or compound assertor
- 16:21:29 [shadi]
- zakim, klaus is really Johannes
- 16:21:29 [Zakim]
- +Johannes; got it
- 16:21:40 [JohannesK]
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- 16:22:52 [niq]
- I like a compound assertor that'll deal with complex cases like
- 16:23:06 [niq]
- - tool highlights X on every page
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- - webmaster determines that's a sitewide policy that isn't a problem
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- - assessor makes individual comments on particular pages
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- for different levels of assertor
- 16:29:14 [chaals]
- RESOLUTION: we will go with this proposal for now.
- 16:29:24 [chaals]
- zakim, close this agendum
- 16:29:24 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 closed
- 16:29:25 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 16:29:26 [Zakim]
- 2. Report Class [from shadi]
- 16:29:34 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2. "Report Class" taken up [from shadi]
- 16:29:35 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0049
- 16:30:25 [chaals]
- Shadi: If there is a class that can be used already maybe we shuld do that. But the idea is to have a wrapper for a collection of assertions that belong together.
- 16:30:48 [chaals]
- ... you might also want to define assertins that go together for a collection in a large store.
- 16:31:56 [chaals]
- chaals: I don't think this is particularly useful, it mimics the results of a query for some given query. I think creating a class for that is just bloat.
- 16:33:19 [chaals]
- ... I can't imagine we would bother implementing this.
- 16:33:19 [chaals]
- shadi: yes it is miimcking a query. This can be put into a repository, and reports generated can be queried
- 16:34:40 [chaals]
- johannes: I think I don't need it now, but may be useful later
- 16:35:16 [chaals]
- Shadi: A file is not really a report - sometimes a report will be drawn from bits of several different files.
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- RESOLUTION: We will drop this for now
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- zakim, next agendum
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- agendum 3. "Additional Properties" taken up [from shadi]
- 16:36:29 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0048
- 16:37:49 [chaals]
- shadi: includes some properties that need to be understood in this part of a graph - for example if people are using XML parsers not RDF parsers.
- 16:38:04 [chaals]
- ... and then there is the hash proposal, for a checksum or similar.
- 16:38:22 [chaals]
- ... this one seems like a can of worms. Maybe we should leave it for a later draft.
- 16:38:36 [chaals]
- chaals: should leave hash for later draft.
- 16:38:47 [chaals]
- agreed....
- 16:39:18 [chaals]
- RESOLUTION: Hash / checksum / etc is an issue for after this draft.
- 16:39:29 [chaals]
- Shadi: What about the DC properties that can be used
- 16:39:35 [chaals]
- chaals: don't care either way.
- 16:39:48 [chaals]
- ... think it is bloat, but no problem
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- johannes: OK
- 16:39:55 [niq]
- nevermind
- 16:40:47 [chaals]
- RESOUTION: Put the DC properties as optionals, as per proposal.
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- zakim, next agendum
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- agendum 4. "F2F Registration" taken up [from shadi]
- 16:41:19 [chaals]
- shadi: Face to face agenda is out, registration is open, please sign up.
- 16:41:47 [chaals]
- shadi: Map of the area?
- 16:42:03 [chaals]
- johannes: There are online map tools - will post a link.
- 16:42:09 [niq]
- I've found the area, but there isn't a street address for it!
- 16:42:40 [chaals]
- zakim, next agendum
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- agendum 5. "Location Class" taken up [from shadi]
- 16:44:05 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0056.html
- 16:48:08 [chaals]
- chaals: something looks not quite right, but I can't figure it out here and now.
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- shadi: let's leave it out for now and work out how to publish a draft...
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- -Nick
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- -Chris
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- -Sandor_Herramhof
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- -Johannes
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- -Jose_Manuel_Alonso/CarlosI
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- \quit
- 16:51:31 [chaals]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/30-er-minutes.html chaals
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- -Shadi
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- -Charles
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- WAI_ERTWG()12:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Shadi, Sandor_Herramhof, Chris, Jose_Manuel_Alonso/CarlosI, Nick, Charles, Klaus/Thomas, Johannes
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- 16:52:08 [shadi]
- rrsagent, make minutes world
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes world', shadi. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/30-er-minutes.html shadi
- 16:52:19 [shadi]
- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/30-er-minutes.html shadi
- 16:52:38 [shadi]
- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see no action items