IRC log of er on 2005-08-30

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15:53:21 [Zakim]
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15:53:29 [shadi]
zakim, this will be ert
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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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meeting: ERT WG
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0052.html
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agendum+ Assertor Class
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agendum+ Report Class
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agendum+ Additional Properties
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agendum+ F2F Registration
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agendum+ Location Class
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chair: shadi
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regrets: none
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WAI_ERTWG()12:00PM has now started
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+Shadi
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+Sandor_Herramhof
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, ipcaller is really Chris
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+Chris; got it
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+[IPcaller]
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+Jose_Manuel_Alonso/CarlosI
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zakim, ipcaller is really Charles
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+Charles; got it
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zakim, Charles is really Nick
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+Nick; got it
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Grrr. Waiting for connection manually
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Grrrr, zakim hung up on me
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:(
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Assertor Class" taken up [from shadi]
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+??P7
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0047
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zakim, ??p7 is really Charles
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+Charles; got it
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scribe: chaals
16:11:53 [chaals]
Shadi: comments on the proposal?
16:12:48 [niq]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20050825
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example 4, you're in two minds
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<earl:PersonUsingTool ...> ... </earl:Assertor>
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chaals?
16:16:27 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0047
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16:18:05 [chaals]
chaals: seems like a lot of verbiage. Not sure that we need it all, but I don't see anything wrong with it.
16:18:12 [chaals]
niq: At first glance I like it.
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not me guv
16:19:45 [chaals]
shadi: this is meant to be clearer than having an Assertor represent a single Assertor.
16:21:07 [Zakim]
+Klaus/Thomas
16:21:20 [chaals]
s/single assertor/either a single person, tool, or compound assertor
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zakim, klaus is really Johannes
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+Johannes; got it
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16:22:52 [niq]
I like a compound assertor that'll deal with complex cases like
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- tool highlights X on every page
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- webmaster determines that's a sitewide policy that isn't a problem
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- assessor makes individual comments on particular pages
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for different levels of assertor
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RESOLUTION: we will go with this proposal for now.
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zakim, close this agendum
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agendum 1 closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Report Class [from shadi]
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "Report Class" taken up [from shadi]
16:29:35 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0049
16:30:25 [chaals]
Shadi: If there is a class that can be used already maybe we shuld do that. But the idea is to have a wrapper for a collection of assertions that belong together.
16:30:48 [chaals]
... you might also want to define assertins that go together for a collection in a large store.
16:31:56 [chaals]
chaals: I don't think this is particularly useful, it mimics the results of a query for some given query. I think creating a class for that is just bloat.
16:33:19 [chaals]
... I can't imagine we would bother implementing this.
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shadi: yes it is miimcking a query. This can be put into a repository, and reports generated can be queried
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johannes: I think I don't need it now, but may be useful later
16:35:16 [chaals]
Shadi: A file is not really a report - sometimes a report will be drawn from bits of several different files.
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RESOLUTION: We will drop this for now
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zakim, next agendum
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agendum 3. "Additional Properties" taken up [from shadi]
16:36:29 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0048
16:37:49 [chaals]
shadi: includes some properties that need to be understood in this part of a graph - for example if people are using XML parsers not RDF parsers.
16:38:04 [chaals]
... and then there is the hash proposal, for a checksum or similar.
16:38:22 [chaals]
... this one seems like a can of worms. Maybe we should leave it for a later draft.
16:38:36 [chaals]
chaals: should leave hash for later draft.
16:38:47 [chaals]
agreed....
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RESOLUTION: Hash / checksum / etc is an issue for after this draft.
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Shadi: What about the DC properties that can be used
16:39:35 [chaals]
chaals: don't care either way.
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... think it is bloat, but no problem
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johannes: OK
16:39:55 [niq]
nevermind
16:40:47 [chaals]
RESOUTION: Put the DC properties as optionals, as per proposal.
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zakim, next agendum
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agendum 4. "F2F Registration" taken up [from shadi]
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shadi: Face to face agenda is out, registration is open, please sign up.
16:41:47 [chaals]
shadi: Map of the area?
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johannes: There are online map tools - will post a link.
16:42:09 [niq]
I've found the area, but there isn't a street address for it!
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zakim, next agendum
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agendum 5. "Location Class" taken up [from shadi]
16:44:05 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0056.html
16:48:08 [chaals]
chaals: something looks not quite right, but I can't figure it out here and now.
16:48:29 [chaals]
shadi: let's leave it out for now and work out how to publish a draft...
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-Nick
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-Chris
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-Sandor_Herramhof
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-Johannes
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-Jose_Manuel_Alonso/CarlosI
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16:51:31 [chaals]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/30-er-minutes.html chaals
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-Shadi
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-Charles
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WAI_ERTWG()12:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Shadi, Sandor_Herramhof, Chris, Jose_Manuel_Alonso/CarlosI, Nick, Charles, Klaus/Thomas, Johannes
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rrsagent, make minutes world
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes world', shadi. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/30-er-minutes.html shadi
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/30-er-minutes.html shadi
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, bye
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I see no action items