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15:53:29 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
15:53:29 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
15:53:41 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
15:53:51 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0052.html
15:53:59 <shadi> agendum+ Assertor Class
15:54:09 <shadi> agendum+ Report Class
15:54:19 <shadi> agendum+ Additional Properties
15:54:38 <shadi> agendum+ F2F Registration
15:54:48 <shadi> agendum+ Location Class
15:55:02 <shadi> chair: shadi
15:55:23 <shadi> regrets: none
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16:00:19 <Zakim> +Shadi
16:00:39 <Zakim> +Sandor_Herramhof
16:01:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:01:56 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Chris
16:01:56 <Zakim> +Chris; got it
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16:04:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:04:38 <Zakim> +Jose_Manuel_Alonso/CarlosI
16:04:48 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Charles
16:04:50 <Zakim> +Charles; got it
16:05:01 <shadi> zakim, Charles is really Nick
16:05:01 <Zakim> +Nick; got it
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16:06:38 <chaals> Grrr. Waiting for connection manually
16:07:45 <chaals> Grrrr, zakim hung up on me
16:07:52 <shadi> :(
16:09:00 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:09:00 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Assertor Class" taken up [from shadi]
16:09:36 <Zakim> +??P7
16:09:41 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0047
16:10:01 <shadi> zakim, ??p7 is really Charles
16:10:01 <Zakim> +Charles; got it
16:10:03 <chaals> scribe: chaals
16:11:53 <chaals> Shadi: comments on the proposal?
16:12:48 <niq> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20050825
16:13:00 <niq> example 4, you're in two minds
16:13:20 <niq> <earl:PersonUsingTool ...>    ...  </earl:Assertor>
16:14:18 <niq> chaals?
16:16:27 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0047
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16:18:05 <chaals> chaals: seems like a lot of verbiage. Not sure that we need it all, but I don't see anything wrong with it.
16:18:12 <chaals> niq: At first glance I like it.
16:18:14 <niq> not me guv
16:19:45 <chaals> shadi: this is meant to be clearer than having an Assertor represent a single Assertor.
16:21:07 <Zakim> +Klaus/Thomas
16:21:20 <chaals> s/single assertor/either a single person, tool, or compound assertor
16:21:29 <shadi> zakim, klaus is really Johannes
16:21:29 <Zakim> +Johannes; got it
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16:22:52 <niq> I like a compound assertor that'll deal with complex cases like
16:23:06 <niq> - tool highlights X on every page
16:23:31 <niq> - webmaster determines that's a sitewide policy that isn't a problem
16:23:48 <niq> - assessor makes individual comments on particular pages
16:24:01 <niq> for different levels of assertor
16:29:14 <chaals> RESOLUTION: we will go with this proposal for now.
16:29:24 <chaals> zakim, close this agendum
16:29:24 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
16:29:25 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:29:26 <Zakim> 2. Report Class [from shadi]
16:29:34 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
16:29:34 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Report Class" taken up [from shadi]
16:29:35 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0049
16:30:25 <chaals> Shadi: If there is a class that can be used already maybe we shuld do that. But the idea is to have a wrapper for a collection of assertions that belong together.
16:30:48 <chaals> ... you might also want to define assertins that go together for a collection in a large store.
16:31:56 <chaals> chaals: I don't think this is particularly useful, it mimics the results of a query for some given query. I think creating a class for that is just bloat.
16:33:19 <chaals> ... I can't imagine we would bother implementing this.
16:33:19 <chaals> shadi: yes it is miimcking a query. This can be put into a repository, and reports generated can be queried
16:34:40 <chaals> johannes: I think I don't need it now, but may be useful later
16:35:16 <chaals> Shadi: A file is not really a report - sometimes a report will be drawn from bits of several different files.
16:36:16 <chaals> RESOLUTION: We will drop this for now
16:36:24 <chaals> zakim, next agendum
16:36:24 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Additional Properties" taken up [from shadi]
16:36:29 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0048
16:37:49 <chaals> shadi: includes some properties that need to be understood in this part of a graph - for example if people are using XML parsers not RDF parsers.
16:38:04 <chaals> ... and then there is the hash proposal, for a checksum or similar.
16:38:22 <chaals> ... this one seems like a can of worms. Maybe we should leave it for a later draft.
16:38:36 <chaals> chaals: should leave hash for later draft.
16:38:47 <chaals> agreed....
16:39:18 <chaals> RESOLUTION: Hash / checksum / etc is an issue for after this draft.
16:39:29 <chaals> Shadi: What about the DC properties that can be used
16:39:35 <chaals> chaals: don't care either way.
16:39:48 <chaals> ... think it is bloat, but no problem
16:39:54 <chaals> johannes: OK
16:39:55 <niq> nevermind
16:40:47 <chaals> RESOUTION: Put the DC properties as optionals, as per proposal.
16:40:58 <chaals> zakim, next agendum
16:40:58 <Zakim> agendum 4. "F2F Registration" taken up [from shadi]
16:41:19 <chaals> shadi: Face to face agenda is out, registration is open, please sign up.
16:41:47 <chaals> shadi: Map of the area?
16:42:03 <chaals> johannes: There are online map tools - will post a link.
16:42:09 <niq> I've found the area, but there isn't a street address for it!
16:42:40 <chaals> zakim, next agendum
16:42:40 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Location Class" taken up [from shadi]
16:44:05 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Aug/0056.html
16:48:08 <chaals> chaals: something looks not quite right, but I can't figure it out here and now.
16:48:29 <chaals> shadi: let's leave it out for now and work out how to publish a draft...
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16:51:31 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:51:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/30-er-minutes.html chaals
16:51:48 <Zakim> -Shadi
16:51:49 <Zakim> -Charles
16:51:50 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()12:00PM has ended
16:51:52 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Sandor_Herramhof, Chris, Jose_Manuel_Alonso/CarlosI, Nick, Charles, Klaus/Thomas, Johannes
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16:52:08 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes world
16:52:08 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes world', shadi.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:52:12 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:52:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/30-er-minutes.html shadi
16:52:19 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:52:22 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:52:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/30-er-minutes.html shadi
16:52:38 <shadi> zakim, bye
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