IRC log of wai-wcag on 2005-08-17

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chair: Michael Cooper

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0448.html

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meeting: WCAG Techniques 17 August 2005

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+Michael_Cooper

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zakim, Microsoft is Rob_Haverty

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+Rob_Haverty; got it

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+Christophe_Strobbe

14:02:19 [Michael]

agenda+ Script proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0345.html

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+??P13

14:02:47 [ben]

zakim, ??P13 is Ben

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+Ben; got it

14:02:59 [Michael]

agenda+More test case reviews http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0388.html, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0397.html, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0399.html

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agenda+ Hotkey requirements http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0396.html

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+Don_Evans

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+Wendy

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zakim, drop wendy

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Wendy is being disconnected

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-Wendy

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+Becky_Gibson

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+Wendy

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+Chris_Ridpath

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howdy

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woowoo

14:07:23 [Michael]

zakim, take up item 1

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agendum 1. "Script proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0345.html" taken up [from Michael]

14:07:32 [Al]

Wendy, would you get Zakim to call me when the 'hotkey requirements' agenda item is coming up?

14:07:41 [wendy]

sure

14:08:40 [ben]

zakim, I am Ben

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ok, ben, I now associate you with Ben

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scribe: ben

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issue: how/where to include technology version information?

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actiong becky: propose introduction text for javascript techniques that described default level of JavaScript for examples

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s/actiong/action

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action: becky propose introduction text for javascript techniques that described default level of JavaScript for examples

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-Don_Evans

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resolution: use proposed "baseline implications" from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/att-0345/preventAlerts.html as a model for including baseline information

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action: becky to include technique for preventing non-essential interruptions in next script techniques draft

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resolution: include proposed technique for preventing non-essential interruptions in next script techniques draft

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action: becky to determine what the relationship between DOM level and JavaScript version is

14:30:40 [ben]

zakim, next agendum

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agendum 2. "More test case reviews http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0388.html, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0397.html,

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... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0399.html" taken up [from Michael]

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+Don_Evans

14:35:37 [ben]

discussing tests 111, 112, 113, 203 and 114 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0388.html

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q+

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q-

14:49:27 [ben]

cr: propose combining tests 111 and 151 into "All data tables have a summary or caption"

14:53:35 [wendy]

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-tables.html#edef_tables_summary

14:55:21 [wendy]

For tables, visual user agents allow sighted people to quickly grasp the structure of the table from the headings as well as the caption. A consequence of this is that captions will often be inadequate as a summary of the purpose and structure of the table from the perspective of people relying on non-visual user agents.

14:55:47 [wendy]

(from - http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-tables.html#sec_29.1.)

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issue: how do test cases relate to conformance? (seems to be a stubmling block for discussion of tests)

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s/stubmling/stumbling

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q+

15:18:34 [Michael]

ack christophe

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action: michael and wendy to raise issue of how tests relate to conformance w/ editors group

15:24:37 [wendy]

zakim, call al

15:24:37 [Zakim]

I am sorry, wendy; I do not know a number for al

15:24:49 [Al]

Zakim, call AlGilman-home

15:24:49 [Zakim]

ok, Al; the call is being made

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+AlGilman

15:24:59 [Michael]

zakim, next item

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agendum 3. "Hotkey requirements http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0396.html" taken up [from Michael]

15:25:00 [ben]

resolution: 06 data tables require summary or caption which describes nature fo table; use this instead of headers01 (title would not be a recommended strategy)

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action: chris summarize today's discussion tests wrt caption and summary on list

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zakim, next agendum

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agendum 3 was just opened, ben

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(note that previous resolution and action relate to previous agendum)

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-Rob_Haverty

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-AlGilman

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action: wendy to check w/ chairs on this and consider raising on the list

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agenda?

15:54:59 [ben]

zakim, close agendum 3

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agendum 3, Hotkey requirements http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0396.html, closed

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I see nothing remaining on the agenda

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-Michael_Cooper

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-Becky_Gibson

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-Don_Evans

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-Wendy

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-Ben

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-Chris_Ridpath

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-Christophe_Strobbe

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WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Michael_Cooper, Rob_Haverty, Christophe_Strobbe, Ben, Don_Evans, Wendy, Becky_Gibson, Chris_Ridpath, AlGilman

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RRSAgent, make log world

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RRSAgent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/17-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/17-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: becky propose introduction text for javascript techniques that described default level of JavaScript for examples [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/17-wai-wcag-irc#T14-20-05

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ACTION: becky to include technique for preventing non-essential interruptions in next script techniques draft [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/17-wai-wcag-irc#T14-26-31

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ACTION: becky to determine what the relationship between DOM level and JavaScript version is [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/17-wai-wcag-irc#T14-30-20

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ACTION: michael and wendy to raise issue of how tests relate to conformance w/ editors group [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/17-wai-wcag-irc#T15-21-26

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ACTION: chris summarize today's discussion tests wrt caption and summary on list [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/17-wai-wcag-irc#T15-25-16

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ACTION: wendy to check w/ chairs on this and consider raising on the list [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/17-wai-wcag-irc#T15-54-18

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zakim, bye

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