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13:58:20 <Ralph> Meeting: SWBPD HTML Task Force
13:58:37 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Aug/0009.html
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14:02:20 <Zakim> SW_BPD(rdfxhtml)10:00AM has now started
14:02:27 <Zakim> +Ralph
14:02:31 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Aug/0009.html
14:03:25 <Ralph> Regrets: Ben, Steven
14:03:26 <Zakim> +??P8
14:03:28 <MarkB_> zakim, i am ?
14:03:28 <Zakim> +MarkB_; got it
14:04:39 <Ralph> Mark: Wiki server is up again, may be unstable for a couple of weeks until new hardware arrives
14:05:25 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/08/02-swbp-minutes Record of 2005-08-02 meeting
14:06:33 <Ralph> zakim, next agendum
14:06:33 <Zakim> agendum 1. "convene, take roll, review records and agenda" taken up [from Ralph]
14:06:48 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben create a way to track progress on the 3 issues of qnames, reification, and custom attributes and elements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action01]
14:06:48 <Ralph> -- done
14:06:48 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues RDF in XHTML Taskforce - Current Issues
14:07:10 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben to notify working group via a status report of upcoming WD of Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
14:07:10 <Ralph> -- done
14:07:10 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Aug/0011.html [HTML] RDF-in-HTML Task Force Update to the SWBPD WG [Ben 2005-08-08]
14:07:35 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben add role attribute to the [HTML] issues list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/02-swbp-minutes.html#action08]
14:07:35 <Ralph> -- done
14:07:35 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues#role Role issue
14:07:49 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben send mail to www-html-editors to assign an issue for the GRDDL namespace document behind the profile [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-swbp-minutes.html#action03]
14:07:49 <Ralph> -- done
14:07:49 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2005JulSep/0026.html equest to Track Issue: GRDDL in XHTML2 namespace document [Ben 2005-08-07]
14:08:23 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben to put together the "ACID" test for XHTML2 RDF/A [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
14:08:34 <Ralph> -- continues
14:08:50 <Ralph> -> http://www.xforms-wiki.com/bin/view/Main/LanguageRdfA RDF/A Wiki
14:09:17 <Ralph> zakim, list agenda
14:09:17 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
14:09:18 <Zakim> 1. convene, take roll, review records and agenda [from Ralph]
14:09:19 <Zakim> 2. RDF Concepts and Fragments [from Ralph]
14:09:20 <Zakim> 3. Edge Cases of inheritance in RDF/A [from Ralph]
14:09:22 <Zakim> 4. Issues List [from Ralph]
14:09:24 <Zakim> 5. bnode proposal [from Ralph]
14:09:36 <Ralph> agenda+ Status update
14:09:45 <Ralph> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:09:45 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Issues List" taken up [from Ralph]
14:09:59 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues RDF in XHTML Taskforce - Current Issues
14:10:16 <Ralph> Chair: Ralph
14:10:18 <Ralph> Scribe: Ralph
14:11:03 <Ralph> Mark: in a new document I'm writing, I've been using the custom attribute shorthand rather extensively
14:12:25 <Ralph> ... looking also at reification and it seems that a good way to do this might be to allow META to specify an RDF Statement, then easy to talk about this Statement
14:13:10 <Ralph> ... in early drafts of RDF/A META was like SPAN but now we're relying more on A+attributes so META can become more powerful
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14:15:11 <Ralph> Ralph has changed the topic to: HTML TF telecon at 1400 UTC; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Aug/0009.html
14:16:55 <Ralph> zakim, close this agendum
14:16:55 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
14:16:56 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:16:57 <Zakim> 1. convene, take roll, review records and agenda [from Ralph]
14:17:02 <Ralph> zakim, close agendum  1
14:17:02 <Zakim> agendum 1, convene, take roll, review records and agenda, closed
14:17:03 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:17:04 <Zakim> 2. RDF Concepts and Fragments [from Ralph]
14:17:15 <Ralph> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:17:15 <Zakim> agendum 5. "bnode proposal" taken up [from Ralph]
14:18:11 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Aug/0008.html suggestion new uri scheme??? for bnodes [Jeremy 2005-08-11]
14:18:58 <Ralph> Ralph: I've started to think about this and wonder if a namespace would be an adequate solution?
14:19:42 <Ralph> ... similar question came up in naming variables for RDF rules languages
14:19:46 <Ralph> ... must arise in SPARQL too
14:20:30 <Ralph> Mark: problem still with getting down to URIs in triples
14:21:20 <Ralph> ... my final conclusion was that we either need 2 attributes or an XPointer function
14:21:31 <Ralph> ... I think I've pretty much demonstrated that the other methods won't work
14:21:50 <Ralph> ... need others to come up with arguments for or against these
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14:22:59 <Ralph> ACTION: All take a serious look at Mark's [3]bnode proposal summary
14:22:59 <Ralph>    [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Jun/0010.html
14:22:59 <Ralph> [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action07]
14:23:02 <Ralph> -- continues
14:23:09 <Ralph> zakim, close this agendum
14:23:09 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
14:23:10 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:23:11 <Zakim> 2. RDF Concepts and Fragments [from Ralph]
14:23:26 <Ralph> zakim, next agendum
14:23:26 <Zakim> agendum 2. "RDF Concepts and Fragments" taken up [from Ralph]
14:23:33 <Ralph> ACTION: jjc to review rdf concepts and fragments
14:23:33 <Ralph> [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action10]
14:23:38 <Ralph> -- continues
14:23:48 <ChrisW> ralph, is there a channel we can use for an ODM meeting?
14:23:59 <Ralph> you're having that meeting right now?
14:24:05 <Ralph> why not #odm ?
14:24:16 <Ralph> (or #oep )
14:24:22 <ChrisW> ok, i didn't know one could make their own
14:24:33 <Ralph> we might finish here in a moment
14:24:41 <ChrisW> deb, I'm in #odm
14:24:43 <Ralph> zakim, move to next agendum
14:24:43 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Edge Cases of inheritance in RDF/A" taken up [from Ralph]
14:24:52 <Ralph> ACTION: Mark to check edge cases of inheritance in RDF/A
14:24:52 <Ralph> [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action06]
14:24:59 <Ralph> -- continues
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14:25:13 <ewallace> Hi all
14:25:16 <Ralph> zakim, move to next agendum
14:25:16 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, Ralph
14:25:17 <ChrisW> evan, we've moved to #odm channel
14:25:26 <Ralph> zakim, close this agendum
14:25:26 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
14:25:27 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:25:28 <Zakim> 6. Status update [from Ralph]
14:25:46 <ChrisW> evan, can you join that channel?
14:25:51 <Ralph> Ralph: meet next week?
14:26:19 <Ralph> Mark: regrets for next 2 weeks
14:26:27 <Ralph> ... also regrets from Steven for next week
14:26:47 <Ralph> Ralph: I'm not available on 6 Sep
14:27:22 <Ralph> ... I will poke JJC and DanBri to see if either of them want to meet before 6 Sep, else next meeting 6 Sep
14:27:43 <Zakim> -Ralph
14:27:45 <Zakim> -MarkB_
14:27:46 <Zakim> SW_BPD(rdfxhtml)10:00AM has ended
14:27:47 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, MarkB_
14:27:49 <Ralph> adjourned
14:28:07 <Ralph> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:28:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-swbp-minutes.html Ralph
14:28:16 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
14:28:16 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-swbp-actions.rdf :
14:28:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben create a way to track progress on the 3 issues of qnames, reification, and custom attributes and elements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action01] [1]
14:28:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-swbp-irc#T14-06-48
14:28:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to notify working group via a status report of upcoming WD of Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-swbp-minutes.html#action02] [2]
14:28:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-swbp-irc#T14-07-10
14:28:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben add role attribute to the [HTML] issues list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/02-swbp-minutes.html#action08] [3]
14:28:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-swbp-irc#T14-07-35
14:28:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben send mail to www-html-editors to assign an issue for the GRDDL namespace document behind the profile [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-swbp-minutes.html#action03] [4]
14:28:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-swbp-irc#T14-07-49
14:28:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to put together the "ACID" test for XHTML2 RDF/A [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action02] [5]
14:28:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-swbp-irc#T14-08-23
14:28:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: All take a serious look at Mark's [3]bnode proposal summary [6]
14:28:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-swbp-irc#T14-22-59
14:28:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jjc to review rdf concepts and fragments [7]
14:28:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-swbp-irc#T14-23-33
14:28:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark to check edge cases of inheritance in RDF/A [8]
14:28:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-swbp-irc#T14-24-52
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14:29:50 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make records public
14:29:53 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
14:29:53 <RRSAgent> I see no action items