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14:23:13 <DanC> Regrets+ Souripriya Das
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14:29:47 <Zakim> +Danbri
14:30:00 <Zakim> +??P0
14:30:08 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P0 is SteveH
14:30:08 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
14:31:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:31:04 <ericP> Meeting: Data Access Working Group
14:31:12 <JanneS> Zakim, IPcaller is JanneS
14:31:12 <Zakim> +JanneS; got it
14:31:15 <ericP> Chair: DanC
14:31:24 <ericP> Scribe: ericP
14:31:27 <Zakim> +??P1
14:31:36 <DaveB> Zakim, ??P1 is DaveB
14:31:36 <Zakim> +DaveB; got it
14:32:07 <Zakim> +HowardK
14:32:23 <ericP> RRSAgent, pointer?
14:32:23 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-irc#T14-32-23
14:32:51 <Zakim> +Kendall_Clark
14:32:58 <JanneS> Zakim, mute JanneS
14:32:58 <Zakim> JanneS should now be muted
14:33:05 <JanneS> Zakim, unmute JanneS
14:33:05 <Zakim> JanneS should no longer be muted
14:33:15 <kendall> i hope i didn't bring that static with me?
14:33:19 <Zakim> +DanC
14:33:53 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
14:33:53 <Zakim> +Jeen_Broekstra
14:33:54 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JulSep/0267.html" taken up [from DanC]
14:34:11 <DanC> Zakim, who's talking
14:34:11 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's talking', DanC
14:34:14 <DanC> Zakim, who's talking?
14:34:25 <Zakim> DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kendall_Clark (4%), Jeen_Broekstra (4%)
14:34:36 <jeen> zakim, mute me
14:34:36 <Zakim> Jeen_Broekstra should now be muted
14:34:37 <Zakim> -Kendall_Clark
14:34:39 <kendall> I'll redial in
14:34:47 <kendall> did it go away?
14:34:50 <DanC> nope
14:35:00 <DanC> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:35:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericP, SteveH, JanneS, DaveB, HowardK, DanC, Jeen_Broekstra (muted)
14:35:05 <jeen> zakim, unmute me
14:35:05 <Zakim> Jeen_Broekstra should no longer be muted
14:35:10 <Zakim> +Kendall_Clark
14:35:11 <ericP> oops
14:35:57 <ericP> scribe is swapping phone equipment
14:36:02 <ericP> andy is in madrid
14:36:16 <DanC> Regrets+ AndyS
14:36:26 <kendall> only my fav city! :>
14:38:09 <kendall> i find dave's amendment v. friendly :>
14:38:15 <DanC> RESOLVED: to cancel 23 Aug
14:38:45 <DanC> RESOLVED: to meet next 30 Aug, DaveB to scribe, DanC to chair
14:38:47 <kendall> i'm a willing but ultimately *bad* scribe!
14:39:01 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JulSep/0243.html minutes 9 Aug
14:39:02 <ericP> did i bring a buzz?
14:39:58 <ericP> PROPOSE: accept minutes from 9 Aug
14:40:46 <ericP> ACTION: DanC to investigate having CVS commits send to the WG list
14:40:52 <ericP> CONTINUED
14:41:03 <DanC> Topic: comment "Query forms should be resources, not operations"
14:41:05 <ericP> ACTION LeeF: draft WSDL 1.1 for SPARQL thingy with AndyS and Elias ETA 2 Sep [CONTINUED]
14:41:33 <ericP> ACTION DanC: ask WSDL WG to review WSDL 1.1 and WSDL 2 SPARQL protocol stuff, once both are available [CONTINUED:
14:41:58 <ericP> ACTION KendallC: write another draft response to Mark Baker's comment and send to WG for possible discussion [CONTINUED]
14:42:03 <DanC> Topic: Protocol testing
14:42:37 <ericP> ACTION DanC: extract and machine-check examples [CONTINUED]
14:42:52 <ericP> some progress. DanC has patches to send KendallC
14:43:08 <ericP> (to get the doc well-formed)
14:44:59 <ericP> ACTION SteveH: elaborate "CONSTRUCT with content negotiation" into a test case
14:45:27 <ericP> Steve sent mail. Andy had some comments on reifying.
14:45:52 <ericP> Steve's test case came from the [protocol] document
14:46:38 <ericP> action -6
14:46:45 <ericP> ACTION SteveH: elaborate "CONSTRUCT with content negotiation" into a test case [DONE]
14:46:56 <ericP> action -7
14:47:07 <kendall> just *shoot* the IRS Agent :>
14:47:09 <DanC> Topic: toward protocol last call
14:47:47 <ericP> ACTION EricP: discuss conformance w.r.t. WSDL 2 with PLH and send some notes to the WG, preferably including suggested text for conformance. [DONE]
14:48:29 <ericP> action -8
14:48:48 <ericP> ACTION KendallC: abstract/abbreviate http trace examples [DONE]
14:48:58 <ericP> action -9
14:49:23 <ericP> ACTION KendallC: fix d. ASK with simple RDF dataset...XML is wrong. [DONE]
14:49:26 <ericP> action -10
14:50:36 <ericP> ACTION SteveH: review proto-wd after Friday signal from KC, hopefully in time for monday's agenda or tuesday's telcon [DONE]
14:50:40 <ericP> action -11
14:52:01 <ericP> DanC: if the query is not a SPARLQ query, you can't return a 200
14:52:40 <ericP> s/200/2xx/
14:53:44 <DanC> RESOLVED: rather than "a SPARQL service _must_ return MalformedQuery for queries that are not SPARQL Query Strings"... for queries that are not SPARQL Query Strings, you should return MalformedQuery and you must not return 2xx
14:54:39 <ericP> PROPOSED -- objections: 0, abstentions: ericP, KendallC
14:55:13 <ericP> ACTION EricP: review protocol document 1.58 [CONTINUED]
14:57:55 <ericP> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/altschemalangs.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8
14:57:57 <kendall> i got smarter in the past few days  re: the issues I mentioned last week: input/output serialization types
14:58:56 <DanC> EricP: WSDL mandates XML Schema description of payload; when looking thru those glasses, RDF is pretty much "any" ...
14:59:09 <DanC> ... altschemalangs.html explores alternate schema languages
15:03:19 <ericP> DanC: can you split GET/POST division on bindings?
15:03:33 <ericP> KendallC: ... ... no ... ...
15:03:50 <ericP> [sorry, didn't get all the reasons for "no"]
15:04:11 <DaveB> the http method is recorded on the binding operation not on the ... (missed it)
15:04:56 <DaveB> (ugh, we *could* add an rdf/xml result subset for the sparql query xml results - <rdfxml>...</>)
15:05:26 <DaveB> (this is just an awful idea, forget I mentioned it)
15:05:39 <ericP> KendallC: everything after the '?' in the GET is what we want in the POST
15:05:57 <ericP> ... WSDL2 doesn't let you describe that
15:06:24 <ericP> ... would would like to allow that as an input serialization type
15:07:59 <ericP> ... we want WSDL2 to allow application/x-form-encoded in the input serialization
15:10:20 <DanC> . ACTION ?WHO: work with WSDL WG on describing POST binding with application/x-form-encoded in WSDL 2
15:10:23 <ericP> ... 2 more probs:
15:10:56 <DanC> . ACTION ?WHO: work with WSDL WG on moving "style" from interface to binding
15:10:57 <ericP> ... : push fault serialization out of interface and into binding
15:11:22 <ericP> ... : may be possible to get WG to accept list of response serialization types
15:11:53 <ericP> --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2005Aug/0010 KendallC's mail to WSDL WG
15:11:58 <DanC> ACTION KC: work with WSDL WG on describing POST binding with application/x-form-encoded in WSDL 2
15:12:08 <kendall> My comment to WS-Desc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2005Aug/0010.html
15:12:10 <DanC> ACTION KC: work with WSDL WG on moving "style" from interface to binding
15:12:20 <kendall> Hugo's response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2005Aug/0010.html
15:12:54 <DaveB> I'd support the WG supporting 0010, fwiw
15:13:50 <DaveB> hugo's response is actually 0011
15:13:56 <kendall> Another response from Hugo: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2005Aug/0014.html
15:14:11 <kendall> Oops, yeah, right, I pasted the wrong URI.
15:14:21 <DaveB> I'd like "we'd like to be able to describe our service more accurately"
15:14:29 <DanC> PROPOSED: to endorse 0010 comment, "... but we'd like to be able to describe our service more accurately than that ..."
15:15:07 <DanC> so RESOLVED.
15:15:12 <ericP> RESOLVED: no abstentions, no objections
15:15:34 <DanC> Topic: "SPARQL Query Results XML Format: XML 1.1" comment
15:15:42 <ericP> ACTION DaveB: see if PLH would be satisfied with s/can/may/ in what he suggested
15:15:49 <DaveB> final email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Aug/0056.html
15:16:38 <ericP> [DONE]
15:16:41 <ericP> action -15
15:17:21 <DaveB> as described in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Aug/0052.html
15:17:38 <ericP> RESOLVED: no abstentions, no objections
15:18:25 <DanC> Topic: BASE IRI resolution comment
15:18:35 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to add "don't normalize" to rq23 (perhaps supplied in 0096) [DONE]
15:19:01 <ericP> ACTION: DanC to responsd to ericP's "don't normalize" text in rq23
15:19:05 <ericP> action -16
15:20:24 <DaveB> where 96 is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JulSep/0096
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15:20:25 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/i18n/manifest.ttl
15:20:40 <kendall> hmm, good email from hugo about multiple styles possible, so we may not be in as bad a pickle as I thought
15:20:44 <kendall> just FYI
15:20:45 <ericP> has refs to normalization-0{2,3}
15:21:02 <DanC> . dawgt:approval dawgt:Approved # http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-dawg-minutes
15:22:53 <DanC> . rdfs:comment "Value Testing Tests"
15:23:10 <SteveH> dawgt:approvedBy <...> ;
15:23:48 <DaveB> it's dawgt:approved in the schema
15:24:02 <DaveB> er, approval
15:24:08 <DanC> "BASE IRI resolution"
15:24:46 <DanC> ACTION: ericP to send [OK?] message to Bjoern [continues]
15:24:55 <DanC> Topic: issues#queryMimeType
15:26:45 <DanC> ACTION: ericP to update rq23 to include the text of rq23/mime.txt , including security concearns [continues]
15:26:56 <ericP> ACTION: EricP to add test in 0096 to rq23 tests. label "approved" and ref <http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-dawg-minutes> [DONE]
15:28:44 <DanC> (postponing issues#valueTesting for various reasons)
15:29:08 <ericP> ACTION DaveB: make 'XXI'^^:romanNumeral  = 21 and points nearby into test cases (or ask questions in email). [CONTINUED]
15:29:28 <ericP> seems done, but we won't discuss it during this meeting
15:29:58 <DanC> Topic: LC status
15:30:01 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/lc-status-report.html
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15:31:20 <ericP> DanC: re QA guidelines conformance, we have it on Andy's plate, but would like another to work on it
15:31:53 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to thank Ivan for his comment <http://www.w3.org/mid/42E116D8.1070908@w3.org>
15:32:13 <kendall> damn, I should have commented on the agenda: (18) on the LC status list should have been on agenda, IMO
15:33:17 <JanneS> i need to run for baby sitting (again) - hear you in 2 weeks
15:33:33 <DaveB> will confuse :_foo with _:foo
15:33:34 <Zakim> -JanneS
15:35:38 <DanC> ADJOURN.
15:35:43 <Zakim> -DaveB
15:35:55 <Zakim> -Kendall_Clark
15:36:01 <DanC> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:36:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html DanC
15:36:01 <Zakim> -HowardK
15:37:02 <Zakim> -Jeen_Broekstra
15:38:42 <DanC> "Translating the grammar was no fun at all."
15:41:57 <Zakim> -SteveH
15:42:41 <DaveB> that's not new information to me :)
15:43:12 <DaveB> you saw that we have a new implementation - for sesame?
15:43:53 <DanC> new sesame? no... where?
15:43:59 <DaveB> http://sourceforge.net/projects/sparql/
15:44:13 <DaveB> I've already added it to the esw page
15:44:56 <DanC> cool
15:46:36 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:46:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericP, DanC
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15:58:05 <SteveH> DaveB, looks like raptor parses :xd1 :p  1.0 . as :xd1 :p "1"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#integer> .
15:58:10 <SteveH> which probably isnt right
15:58:17 <DaveB> what is?
15:59:15 <SteveH> the literal 1.0 gets partsed as an integer, with raptor 1.4.8
15:59:19 <DaveB> ah yeah
15:59:23 <DaveB> should be a double
15:59:27 <SteveH> yeah, think so
15:59:32 <DaveB> that's what cwm does
15:59:43 <SteveH> right, its need to pass one of the testcases too :)
15:59:53 <SteveH> datatypes-1 or similar
16:00:26 <SteveH> datatype-1
16:00:37 <DaveB> looking
16:00:44 <DaveB> I'll write a test case first
16:01:56 <SteveH> cheers
16:03:37 <Zakim> -DanC
16:03:47 <Zakim> -ericP
16:03:48 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended
16:03:49 <Zakim> Attendees were ericP, SteveH, JanneS, DaveB, HowardK, Kendall_Clark, DanC, Jeen_Broekstra
16:04:18 <SteveH> right, im off home, cya
16:04:48 <DaveB> and the answer is, turtle does not have double constants
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