IRC log of dawg on 2005-08-16

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14:23:13 [DanC]

Regrets+ Souripriya Das

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SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started

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+Danbri

14:30:00 [Zakim]

+??P0

14:30:08 [SteveH]

Zakim, ??P0 is SteveH

14:30:08 [Zakim]

+SteveH; got it

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+[IPcaller]

14:31:04 [ericP]

Meeting: Data Access Working Group

14:31:12 [JanneS]

Zakim, IPcaller is JanneS

14:31:12 [Zakim]

+JanneS; got it

14:31:15 [ericP]

Chair: DanC

14:31:24 [ericP]

Scribe: ericP

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+??P1

14:31:36 [DaveB]

Zakim, ??P1 is DaveB

14:31:36 [Zakim]

+DaveB; got it

14:32:07 [Zakim]

+HowardK

14:32:23 [ericP]

RRSAgent, pointer?

14:32:23 [RRSAgent]

See http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-irc#T14-32-23

14:32:51 [Zakim]

+Kendall_Clark

14:32:58 [JanneS]

Zakim, mute JanneS

14:32:58 [Zakim]

JanneS should now be muted

14:33:05 [JanneS]

Zakim, unmute JanneS

14:33:05 [Zakim]

JanneS should no longer be muted

14:33:15 [kendall]

i hope i didn't bring that static with me?

14:33:19 [Zakim]

+DanC

14:33:53 [DanC]

Zakim, take up item 1

14:33:53 [Zakim]

+Jeen_Broekstra

14:33:54 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JulSep/0267.html" taken up [from DanC]

14:34:11 [DanC]

Zakim, who's talking

14:34:11 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who's talking', DanC

14:34:14 [DanC]

Zakim, who's talking?

14:34:25 [Zakim]

DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kendall_Clark (4%), Jeen_Broekstra (4%)

14:34:36 [jeen]

zakim, mute me

14:34:36 [Zakim]

Jeen_Broekstra should now be muted

14:34:37 [Zakim]

-Kendall_Clark

14:34:39 [kendall]

I'll redial in

14:34:47 [kendall]

did it go away?

14:34:50 [DanC]

nope

14:35:00 [DanC]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:35:00 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ericP, SteveH, JanneS, DaveB, HowardK, DanC, Jeen_Broekstra (muted)

14:35:05 [jeen]

zakim, unmute me

14:35:05 [Zakim]

Jeen_Broekstra should no longer be muted

14:35:10 [Zakim]

+Kendall_Clark

14:35:11 [ericP]

oops

14:35:57 [ericP]

scribe is swapping phone equipment

14:36:02 [ericP]

andy is in madrid

14:36:16 [DanC]

Regrets+ AndyS

14:36:26 [kendall]

only my fav city! :>

14:38:09 [kendall]

i find dave's amendment v. friendly :>

14:38:15 [DanC]

RESOLVED: to cancel 23 Aug

14:38:45 [DanC]

RESOLVED: to meet next 30 Aug, DaveB to scribe, DanC to chair

14:38:47 [kendall]

i'm a willing but ultimately *bad* scribe!

14:39:01 [DanC]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JulSep/0243.html minutes 9 Aug

14:39:02 [ericP]

did i bring a buzz?

14:39:58 [ericP]

PROPOSE: accept minutes from 9 Aug

14:40:46 [ericP]

ACTION: DanC to investigate having CVS commits send to the WG list

14:40:52 [ericP]

CONTINUED

14:41:03 [DanC]

Topic: comment "Query forms should be resources, not operations"

14:41:05 [ericP]

ACTION LeeF: draft WSDL 1.1 for SPARQL thingy with AndyS and Elias ETA 2 Sep [CONTINUED]

14:41:33 [ericP]

ACTION DanC: ask WSDL WG to review WSDL 1.1 and WSDL 2 SPARQL protocol stuff, once both are available [CONTINUED:

14:41:58 [ericP]

ACTION KendallC: write another draft response to Mark Baker's comment and send to WG for possible discussion [CONTINUED]

14:42:03 [DanC]

Topic: Protocol testing

14:42:37 [ericP]

ACTION DanC: extract and machine-check examples [CONTINUED]

14:42:52 [ericP]

some progress. DanC has patches to send KendallC

14:43:08 [ericP]

(to get the doc well-formed)

14:44:59 [ericP]

ACTION SteveH: elaborate "CONSTRUCT with content negotiation" into a test case

14:45:27 [ericP]

Steve sent mail. Andy had some comments on reifying.

14:45:52 [ericP]

Steve's test case came from the [protocol] document

14:46:38 [ericP]

action -6

14:46:45 [ericP]

ACTION SteveH: elaborate "CONSTRUCT with content negotiation" into a test case [DONE]

14:46:56 [ericP]

action -7

14:47:07 [kendall]

just *shoot* the IRS Agent :>

14:47:09 [DanC]

Topic: toward protocol last call

14:47:47 [ericP]

ACTION EricP: discuss conformance w.r.t. WSDL 2 with PLH and send some notes to the WG, preferably including suggested text for conformance. [DONE]

14:48:29 [ericP]

action -8

14:48:48 [ericP]

ACTION KendallC: abstract/abbreviate http trace examples [DONE]

14:48:58 [ericP]

action -9

14:49:23 [ericP]

ACTION KendallC: fix d. ASK with simple RDF dataset...XML is wrong. [DONE]

14:49:26 [ericP]

action -10

14:50:36 [ericP]

ACTION SteveH: review proto-wd after Friday signal from KC, hopefully in time for monday's agenda or tuesday's telcon [DONE]

14:50:40 [ericP]

action -11

14:52:01 [ericP]

DanC: if the query is not a SPARLQ query, you can't return a 200

14:52:40 [ericP]

s/200/2xx/

14:53:44 [DanC]

RESOLVED: rather than "a SPARQL service _must_ return MalformedQuery for queries that are not SPARQL Query Strings"... for queries that are not SPARQL Query Strings, you should return MalformedQuery and you must not return 2xx

14:54:39 [ericP]

PROPOSED -- objections: 0, abstentions: ericP, KendallC

14:55:13 [ericP]

ACTION EricP: review protocol document 1.58 [CONTINUED]

14:57:55 [ericP]

http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/altschemalangs.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8

14:57:57 [kendall]

i got smarter in the past few days re: the issues I mentioned last week: input/output serialization types

14:58:56 [DanC]

EricP: WSDL mandates XML Schema description of payload; when looking thru those glasses, RDF is pretty much "any" ...

14:59:09 [DanC]

... altschemalangs.html explores alternate schema languages

15:03:19 [ericP]

DanC: can you split GET/POST division on bindings?

15:03:33 [ericP]

KendallC: ... ... no ... ...

15:03:50 [ericP]

[sorry, didn't get all the reasons for "no"]

15:04:11 [DaveB]

the http method is recorded on the binding operation not on the ... (missed it)

15:04:56 [DaveB]

(ugh, we *could* add an rdf/xml result subset for the sparql query xml results - <rdfxml>...</>)

15:05:26 [DaveB]

(this is just an awful idea, forget I mentioned it)

15:05:39 [ericP]

KendallC: everything after the '?' in the GET is what we want in the POST

15:05:57 [ericP]

... WSDL2 doesn't let you describe that

15:06:24 [ericP]

... would would like to allow that as an input serialization type

15:07:59 [ericP]

... we want WSDL2 to allow application/x-form-encoded in the input serialization

15:10:20 [DanC]

. ACTION ?WHO: work with WSDL WG on describing POST binding with application/x-form-encoded in WSDL 2

15:10:23 [ericP]

... 2 more probs:

15:10:56 [DanC]

. ACTION ?WHO: work with WSDL WG on moving "style" from interface to binding

15:10:57 [ericP]

... : push fault serialization out of interface and into binding

15:11:22 [ericP]

... : may be possible to get WG to accept list of response serialization types

15:11:53 [ericP]

--> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2005Aug/0010 KendallC's mail to WSDL WG

15:11:58 [DanC]

ACTION KC: work with WSDL WG on describing POST binding with application/x-form-encoded in WSDL 2

15:12:08 [kendall]

My comment to WS-Desc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2005Aug/0010.html

15:12:10 [DanC]

ACTION KC: work with WSDL WG on moving "style" from interface to binding

15:12:20 [kendall]

Hugo's response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2005Aug/0010.html

15:12:54 [DaveB]

I'd support the WG supporting 0010, fwiw

15:13:50 [DaveB]

hugo's response is actually 0011

15:13:56 [kendall]

Another response from Hugo: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2005Aug/0014.html

15:14:11 [kendall]

Oops, yeah, right, I pasted the wrong URI.

15:14:21 [DaveB]

I'd like "we'd like to be able to describe our service more accurately"

15:14:29 [DanC]

PROPOSED: to endorse 0010 comment, "... but we'd like to be able to describe our service more accurately than that ..."

15:15:07 [DanC]

so RESOLVED.

15:15:12 [ericP]

RESOLVED: no abstentions, no objections

15:15:34 [DanC]

Topic: "SPARQL Query Results XML Format: XML 1.1" comment

15:15:42 [ericP]

ACTION DaveB: see if PLH would be satisfied with s/can/may/ in what he suggested

15:15:49 [DaveB]

final email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Aug/0056.html

15:16:38 [ericP]

[DONE]

15:16:41 [ericP]

action -15

15:17:17 [DanC]

PROPOSED: that "individuals can use the XML Schema as indicated in http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-xml11schema10-20050511/ "

15:17:21 [DaveB]

as described in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Aug/0052.html

15:17:38 [ericP]

RESOLVED: no abstentions, no objections

15:18:25 [DanC]

Topic: BASE IRI resolution comment

15:18:35 [ericP]

ACTION: ericP to add "don't normalize" to rq23 (perhaps supplied in 0096) [DONE]

15:19:01 [ericP]

ACTION: DanC to responsd to ericP's "don't normalize" text in rq23

15:19:05 [ericP]

action -16

15:20:24 [DaveB]

where 96 is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JulSep/0096

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15:20:25 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/i18n/manifest.ttl

15:20:40 [kendall]

hmm, good email from hugo about multiple styles possible, so we may not be in as bad a pickle as I thought

15:20:44 [kendall]

just FYI

15:20:45 [ericP]

has refs to normalization-0{2,3}

15:21:02 [DanC]

. dawgt:approval dawgt:Approved # http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-dawg-minutes

15:22:53 [DanC]

. rdfs:comment "Value Testing Tests"

15:23:10 [SteveH]

dawgt:approvedBy <...> ;

15:23:48 [DaveB]

it's dawgt:approved in the schema

15:24:02 [DaveB]

er, approval

15:24:08 [DanC]

"BASE IRI resolution"

15:24:46 [DanC]

ACTION: ericP to send [OK?] message to Bjoern [continues]

15:24:55 [DanC]

Topic: issues#queryMimeType

15:26:45 [DanC]

ACTION: ericP to update rq23 to include the text of rq23/mime.txt , including security concearns [continues]

15:26:56 [ericP]

ACTION: EricP to add test in 0096 to rq23 tests. label "approved" and ref <http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-dawg-minutes> [DONE]

15:28:44 [DanC]

(postponing issues#valueTesting for various reasons)

15:29:08 [ericP]

ACTION DaveB: make 'XXI'^^:romanNumeral = 21 and points nearby into test cases (or ask questions in email). [CONTINUED]

15:29:28 [ericP]

seems done, but we won't discuss it during this meeting

15:29:58 [DanC]

Topic: LC status

15:30:01 [DanC]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/lc-status-report.html

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15:31:20 [ericP]

DanC: re QA guidelines conformance, we have it on Andy's plate, but would like another to work on it

15:31:53 [ericP]

ACTION: ericP to thank Ivan for his comment <http://www.w3.org/mid/42E116D8.1070908@w3.org>

15:32:13 [kendall]

damn, I should have commented on the agenda: (18) on the LC status list should have been on agenda, IMO

15:33:17 [JanneS]

i need to run for baby sitting (again) - hear you in 2 weeks

15:33:33 [DaveB]

will confuse :_foo with _:foo

15:33:34 [Zakim]

-JanneS

15:35:38 [DanC]

ADJOURN.

15:35:43 [Zakim]

-DaveB

15:35:55 [Zakim]

-Kendall_Clark

15:36:01 [DanC]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:36:01 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html DanC

15:36:01 [Zakim]

-HowardK

15:37:02 [Zakim]

-Jeen_Broekstra

15:38:42 [DanC]

"Translating the grammar was no fun at all."

15:41:57 [Zakim]

-SteveH

15:42:41 [DaveB]

that's not new information to me :)

15:43:12 [DaveB]

you saw that we have a new implementation - for sesame?

15:43:53 [DanC]

new sesame? no... where?

15:43:59 [DaveB]

http://sourceforge.net/projects/sparql/

15:44:13 [DaveB]

I've already added it to the esw page

15:44:56 [DanC]

cool

15:46:36 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

15:46:36 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ericP, DanC

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15:58:05 [SteveH]

DaveB, looks like raptor parses :xd1 :p 1.0 . as :xd1 :p "1"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#integer> .

15:58:10 [SteveH]

which probably isnt right

15:58:17 [DaveB]

what is?

15:59:15 [SteveH]

the literal 1.0 gets partsed as an integer, with raptor 1.4.8

15:59:19 [DaveB]

ah yeah

15:59:23 [DaveB]

should be a double

15:59:27 [SteveH]

yeah, think so

15:59:32 [DaveB]

that's what cwm does

15:59:43 [SteveH]

right, its need to pass one of the testcases too :)

15:59:53 [SteveH]

datatypes-1 or similar

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datatype-1

16:00:37 [DaveB]

looking

16:00:44 [DaveB]

I'll write a test case first

16:01:56 [SteveH]

cheers

16:03:37 [Zakim]

-DanC

16:03:47 [Zakim]

-ericP

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SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended

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Attendees were ericP, SteveH, JanneS, DaveB, HowardK, Kendall_Clark, DanC, Jeen_Broekstra

16:04:18 [SteveH]

right, im off home, cya

16:04:48 [DaveB]

and the answer is, turtle does not have double constants

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