IRC log of ua on 2005-08-04
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- 17:43:53 [RRSAgent]
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/08/04-ua-irc
- 17:57:01 [Al]
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- Zakim, what conference is this?
- 17:57:34 [Zakim]
- this will be WAI_UAWG()2:00PM conference code 8294, Al
- 17:59:18 [Zakim]
- WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started
- 17:59:24 [Zakim]
- +Jim_Allan
- 18:00:20 [jallan]
- Hi Al, we mostly use the telephone
- 18:00:38 [Al]
- OK, will join you now
- 18:01:01 [Al]
- Zakim, call AlGilman-home
- 18:01:01 [Zakim]
- ok, Al; the call is being made
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- -Jim_Allan
- 18:01:04 [Zakim]
- +Jim_Allan
- 18:01:05 [Zakim]
- +AlGilman
- 18:02:07 [Zakim]
- +[IBM]
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- 18:02:37 [jallan]
- Al are you on the phone
- 18:02:56 [Al]
- Zakim, call AlGilman-home
- 18:02:56 [Zakim]
- ok, Al; the call is being made
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- -AlGilman
- 18:03:43 [Al]
- Zakim, call AlGilman-home
- 18:03:43 [Zakim]
- ok, Al; the call is being made
- 18:03:45 [Zakim]
- +AlGilman
- 18:08:58 [jallan]
- discussion of <col> and <colgroup>
- 18:11:25 [jallan]
- discussion of draft response for accesskey
- 18:12:09 [jallan]
- author proposes/user disposes
- 18:14:16 [jallan]
- mobile devices want to change the accesskey based on the device, not leave it up to the user/author
- 18:17:58 [jallan]
- related to onchange on wwwhtml list
- 18:22:16 [jallan]
- need to wok on future implementation of accesskey in xhtml2 and new browser implementation and repair for accesskey in html4
- 18:24:58 [jallan]
- discussion of draft requirements
- 18:25:43 [jallan]
- problem is knowing what the associations are.
- 18:26:59 [jallan]
- base user agents don't have a way to expose accesskey bindings, the task has been taken by the Assistive Technology.
- 18:27:42 [jallan]
- there is a requirement in UAAG for users to query the agent to find the bindings
- 18:30:00 [jallan]
- say explicitly: User must be able to get a listing of keybindings for accesskeys
- 18:31:23 [jallan]
- the user agent must do this, menu option. built into UA not left to AT repair or Author styling or other indicaton of accesskey
- 18:33:13 [jallan]
- what about internationalization? if an accesskey is ~n, and I don't have it on my keyboard, how is it negotiated.
- 18:33:36 [jallan]
- make interationalization a comment.
- 18:39:38 [jallan]
- users needs to be able to change keys, but not necessarily anykey to anykey2
- 18:39:59 [jallan]
- don't want to bind to key only, multimodal wants it broader.
- 18:56:23 [jallan]
- discussion of how to expose accesskey, author supplied styling, UA exposing, using roles and let user define
- 18:57:45 [jallan]
- desktop borwsers could expose this information to the user, but don't.
- 19:01:05 [Zakim]
- -[IBM]
- 19:01:08 [Zakim]
- -Jim_Allan
- 19:01:18 [Zakim]
- -AlGilman
- 19:01:20 [Zakim]
- WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended
- 19:01:21 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Jim_Allan, AlGilman, [IBM]
- 19:01:34 [jallan]
- if UA use/expose accesskey to user in a standard way (using an api)
- 19:03:39 [jallan]
- then AT could gather the bindings/roles and expose them in alternative ways to users. Authors might be more inclined to use accesskey if they did not have to style or provide other indication of accesskey on a page.
- 19:09:14 [jallan]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 19:09:14 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/04-ua-minutes.html jallan
- 19:09:46 [jallan]
- rrsagent make logs world visible
- 19:10:09 [jallan]
- rrsagent, make logs world-visible
- 19:10:44 [jallan]
- rrsagnet, bye
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- 19:24:26 [Al]
- zakim, bye
- 19:24:26 [Zakim]
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- 19:24:35 [Al]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 19:24:35 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items