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19:49:49 <wendy> RRSAgent, make log world
19:50:33 <wendy> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0187.html
19:50:36 <wendy> Chair: Gregg
19:50:51 <wendy> agenda+ Techniques Task Force update
19:51:26 <wendy> agenda+ checkpoint to SC mapping survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/mapping/results
19:51:40 <wendy> agenda+ next face-to-face
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19:53:46 <wendy> regrets: Roberto Scano, Yvette Hoitink, Luca Mascaro, Makoto UEKI, Sebastiano Nutarelli, Tim Boland
19:54:11 <wendy> zakim, ping me in 5 minutes
19:54:11 <Zakim> ok, wendy
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19:58:26 <David> test
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19:59:12 <Zakim> wendy, you asked to be pinged at this time
19:59:25 <ben> zakim, who is here?
19:59:25 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has not yet started, ben
19:59:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see Andi, ben, David, bengt, Christophe, RRSAgent, Zakim, rellero, wendy, Michael
19:59:27 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
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20:00:24 <Zakim> +Wendy
20:00:28 <bengt> zakim, ??P3 is Bengt_Farre
20:00:28 <Zakim> +Bengt_Farre; got it
20:00:37 <wendy> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:00:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, +1.864.877.aaaa, ??P2, Bengt_Farre, Wendy
20:00:47 <ben> zakim, ??P2 is Ben_and_Gregg
20:00:47 <Zakim> +Ben_and_Gregg; got it
20:00:50 <wendy> zakim, +1.864.877.aaaa is Andi
20:00:50 <Zakim> +Andi; got it
20:00:55 <wendy> zakim, ??P0 is David
20:00:55 <Zakim> +David; got it
20:01:00 <wendy> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:01:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see David, Andi, Ben_and_Gregg, Bengt_Farre, Wendy
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20:01:17 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
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20:01:39 <wendy> zakim, ??P9 is Gian
20:01:39 <Zakim> +Gian; got it
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20:02:06 <wendy> rrsagent, stop
20:06:51 <wendy> zakim, take up item 1
20:06:51 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Techniques Task Force update" taken up [from wendy]
20:06:59 <wendy> scribe: wendy
20:07:20 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:07:22 <wendy> mc: went through requirements document. lots of clean up.
20:07:34 <wendy> mc: most work needed for guide/general split
20:07:38 <wendy> mc: will send draft in next week
20:08:01 <wendy> mc: getting back to reviewing test cases.  will start polls soon.
20:08:25 <wendy> mc: next week - more about testing and test suites.
20:08:28 <wendy> mc: and scripting
20:08:44 <wendy> mc: talked w/peter-paul and expecting some materials from him
20:10:00 <wendy> zakim, take up item 4
20:10:00 <Zakim> I only see 3 items on the agenda
20:11:39 <Zakim> +Matt_May
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20:15:38 <wendy> resolution: we'll meet in seattle 17-20 october
20:15:59 <wendy> zakim, take up next item
20:15:59 <Zakim> agendum 2. "checkpoint to SC mapping survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/mapping/results" taken up [from wendy]
20:17:10 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 1.1
20:17:22 <Zakim> -Matt_May
20:18:45 <Michael> q+
20:19:42 <wendy> 1.0 specifically lists ascii art which was lost from defn of non-text content
20:19:56 <David> q+
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20:21:00 <Zakim> +Matt_May
20:21:41 <wendy> add "this includes ascii art" to "non-text content used to convey information - content that communicates ideas, data, facts [@@include info from definition of information] and is not text."
20:21:51 <wendy> (proposal)
20:22:27 <wendy> isn't ascii art a sequence of unicode characters?
20:22:58 <wendy> replace "or sequence" with "or meaningful sequence"
20:23:58 <Michael> q-
20:24:02 <Michael> q+ to discuss frames
20:24:37 <wendy> resolution: replace defn of non-text content with "Content that is not represented by a Unicode character or sequence of Unicode characters. This includes ASCII Art which is a pattern of characters."
20:25:35 <wendy> resolution: add to mapping for functional non-text content, also link to guideline 4.2
20:26:41 <David> q-
20:28:52 <Zakim> -Matt_May
20:29:56 <wendy> resolution: images used as bullets is also covered in guideline 1.3 wrt css usage
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20:30:26 <Michael> ack michael
20:30:26 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper, you wanted to discuss frames
20:31:05 <wendy> frame title maps to 2.4. no longer recommending noframes? therefore, not map to anything else?
20:32:14 <Zakim> +Matt_May
20:32:24 <wendy> noframes no longer required (map to deprecated html techs?). see 2.4 regarding descriptive titles of delivery units
20:36:02 <wendy> resolution: noframes longer required. 
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20:37:06 <wendy> resolution: add "for video, alternatives (beyond labels) are covered under 1.2"
20:37:42 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 2.1
20:37:52 <wendy> no change. all agree appropriate.
20:37:55 <wendy> Topic: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 4.1
20:38:06 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 4.1
20:42:35 <wendy> resolution: note - identification of the language for individual words no longer required 
20:44:15 <wendy> some things, even though possible, if not done in a standard and supported way "don't count"
20:44:30 <Wonder> no I muted myself
20:44:41 <wendy> e.g. programmtically determined means "standard and supported"
20:44:56 <Michael> q+
20:45:37 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 6.1
20:46:38 <Michael> ack mic
20:59:22 <Andi> baseline dependent - if CSS is in your baseline, WCAG cp 6.1 is not required. If CSS is not in your baseline, then WCAG cp 6.1 is required at Level 1. (link to baseline discussion in conformance section)
21:03:05 <wendy> resolution: baseline dependent - if style sheets are in your baseline, WCAG 1.0 cp 6.1 is not required. If stylesheet are not in your baseline, then WCAG 1.0 cp 6.1 is required at Level 1 (as it maps to Guideline 1.3 L1). (link to baseline discussion in conformance section)
21:03:28 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 6.2
21:04:12 <wendy> bug - need to figure out if alternatives changing when content changes needs to be made explicit (in WCAG 2.0)
21:05:05 <wendy> resolution: leave 4.2 in the list
21:05:19 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 7.1
21:06:09 <Michael> q+ to bring up distractability
21:08:10 <Michael> q-
21:09:00 <wendy> resolution: add benefit to 2.2 about "distractibility"
21:09:37 <wendy> resolution: this maps to level 2, but we added a level 1 criterion that says users can avoid. (Thus maps to 2 places - 2.3 level 1 and level 2).
21:10:09 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 14.1
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21:13:14 <Christophe> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-WCAG20-20050630/Overview.html
21:17:35 <wendy> resolution: leave what is there, add "there is no direct mapping."
21:18:12 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 1.2
21:19:31 <wendy> add note: server-side image maps are not operable from the keyboard. ?
21:19:52 <wendy> also map to 1.1? 
21:19:56 <wendy> also map to 2.4?
21:20:42 <wendy> also to 4.2?
21:22:53 <wendy> maps to 1.1 with regard to text alternatives, to 2.1 with regard to keyboard access (server-side image maps are not keyboard accessible), 2.4 l2 sc4, and 4.2 L1 #1
21:23:29 <wendy> resolution: maps to 1.1 with regard to text alternatives, to 2.1 with regard to keyboard access (server-side image maps are not keyboard accessible), 2.4 l2 sc4, and 4.2 L1 #1
21:23:47 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 9.1
21:24:38 <wendy> map same as previous?
21:24:59 <wendy> are server-side imag maps allowed?
21:27:59 <wendy> the need expressed by this checkpoint is met if the following...
21:29:55 <wendy> acknowledge that this bar is no longer there? e.g., even if equivalent way to doing, still can't use it.
21:30:17 <wendy> say "this is no longer a level 1 requirement?"
21:32:08 <wendy> regardless if you are using server-side or client-side image maps, you have to meet the guidelines (1.1, 2.1, 2.4, 4.2).   
21:34:19 <wendy> resolution: this checkpoint most directly maps to 1.1 with regard to text alternatives, to 2.1 with regard to keyboard access (server-side image maps are not keyboard accessible), 2.4 l2 sc4, and 4.2 L1#1 
21:34:30 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 5.1
21:39:21 <wendy> resolution: no change since already have a level 1 requirement and adding others may cause confusion b/c not requiring any additional work to be done.
21:39:39 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 5.2 
21:41:13 <wendy> resolution: no change since already have a level 1 requirement and adding others may cause confusion b/c not requiring any additional work to be done.
21:41:31 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 12.1
21:44:48 <Zakim> -rellero
21:46:12 <wendy> concern about level 1 vs level 2
21:47:30 <wendy> no resolution.
21:48:12 <wendy> mapping is appropriate, but concern that at level 2 in wcag 2.0
21:48:22 <wendy> s/is/seems
21:49:04 <wendy> action: yvette, ben, michael discuss mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 12.1
21:49:17 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 1.3
21:49:27 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
21:49:58 <wendy> oops, 
21:50:06 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 6.3 
21:51:10 <wendy> resolution: add 4.2 l1 sc1 and it is baseline dependent
21:51:20 <wendy> action: ben propose wording for 4.2 l1 sc1
21:52:10 <wendy> s/resolution: add 4.2 l1 sc1 and it is baseline dependent/resolution: add 4.2 l1 sc1
21:52:36 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 1.3
21:52:42 <wendy> resolution: adopt as is
21:53:18 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 11.4 
21:53:24 <wendy> resolution: adopt as is
21:53:42 <wendy> Topic: mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 1.4
21:54:37 <wendy> resolution: also map to 1.2 l1 sc2 (audio descriptions)
21:55:41 <wendy> zakim, agenda?
21:55:41 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
21:55:42 <Zakim> 2. checkpoint to SC mapping survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/mapping/results [from wendy]
21:55:44 <Zakim> 3. next face-to-face [from wendy]
21:55:52 <wendy> zakim, close item 3
21:55:52 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
21:55:53 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
21:55:54 <Zakim> 2. checkpoint to SC mapping survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/mapping/results [from wendy]
21:56:35 <wendy> zakim, close item 2
21:56:35 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
21:56:36 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
21:57:43 <wendy> RRSAgent, generate minutes
21:57:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/07/28-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
21:58:14 <wendy> Meeting: WCAG WG weekly telecon
21:58:35 <wendy> s/WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 4.1/mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 4.1
22:00:57 <Zakim> -Matt_May
22:00:58 <Zakim> -Wendy
22:00:58 <Zakim> -Ben_and_Gregg
22:00:59 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
22:00:59 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
22:01:00 <Zakim> -Andi
22:01:01 <Zakim> -Gian
22:01:03 <Zakim> -Becky_Gibson
22:01:04 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
22:01:06 <Zakim> -David
22:01:08 <Zakim> -Bengt_Farre
22:01:10 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
22:01:12 <Zakim> Attendees were Wendy, Bengt_Farre, Ben_and_Gregg, Andi, David, Michael_Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, Gian, Becky_Gibson, rellero, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Matt_May
22:01:16 <wendy> RRSAgent, generate minutes
22:01:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/07/28-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
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22:07:01 <wendy> zakim, bye
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22:07:04 <wendy> RRSAgent, bye
22:07:04 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/28-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
22:07:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: yvette, ben, michael discuss mapping of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 12.1 [1]
22:07:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/28-wai-wcag-irc#T21-49-04
22:07:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ben propose wording for 4.2 l1 sc1 [2]
22:07:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/28-wai-wcag-irc#T21-51-20