, right? 14:41:30 ... even though there is no about attribute 14:41:32 Mark: yes 14:42:12 Ben: so the meta applies to the named node rather than to the document, even though there is no about attribute 14:42:24 Mark: yes, the meta applies to the section because the section has an id 14:43:07 ... I would prefer that meta always applies to the parent 14:44:01 ... in this example I'm only going halfway; meta applies to section because of the id 14:44:38 Steven, you wanted to ask about @xhtml2:role (after this discussion is over) 14:45:09 Steven: the danger of the id solution is that id plays so many roles that you could accidentally insert an id (to be a link target) and suddenly change your RDF 14:45:47 ... in the rdf:type example, I would have written

14:45:58 ... I see Mark doesn't use role much, whereas I use it a lot 14:46:03 ... why this difference in approach? 14:46:52 ... maybe role is being though of differently by each of us and we should write down what role means 14:47:07 Mark: I think this would be a fantastic shorthand but we haven't defined it 14:47:37 ... the types for roles could be defined in the RDF schema (e.g. using OWL) 14:47:55 ... this sort of abbreviation would be nice for the HTML community 14:48:13 q+ to comment on role 14:48:23 jjc, you wanted to comment on role 14:48:45 Jeremy: with RDF Schema it is very easy to say xhtml:role and rdf:type have the same property extension; i.e. are effectively equivalent 14:48:54 ... this is not allowed in OWL-lite or OWL-DL 14:49:42 ... in OWL-full you can say that role=Person is equivalent to foaf:Person without making them synonyms 14:50:18 Mark: I was thinking that, for example, anything with role=x would also have rdf:type=x 14:50:29 Jeremy: yes, you can say this in OWL-Full 14:50:47 ... but probably the RDF Schema version of this is good enough 14:51:23 Mark: this would be very nice for super browsers; e.g. role=toolbar pulls in a lot of properties of toolbars 14:51:39 Jeremy: HP would likely be pleased to say that role is a subProperty of type 14:52:21 Proposed triples: xhtml:role rdfs:subPropertyOf rdf:type . 14:52:30 Proposed triples: xhtml:role rdfs:subPropertyOf rdf:type . 14:52:34 Proposed triple: xhtml:role rdfs:subPropertyOf rdf:type . 14:52:44 (sorry for saying that three times) 14:53:06 Mark: might I put role=Person on the root element, as I'm saying the whole thing is the Person 14:54:13 ... regarding Steven's id question, I agree with the concern and that's why I'm leaning toward making link and meta always apply to the parent regardless of presence of id attribute 14:54:27 ... the presence of id='person' simply allows you to refer to that anonymous node 14:54:52 ... the only role of id is to name things; it doesn't change the inheritance rules 14:55:03 s/is/would be/ 14:55:39 ... but this affects my h1 example 14:58:24 Ben: I will add a Creative Commons example to the Wiki 14:58:38 Steven: I am working on the W3C Talks example, then will look at RSS example 14:58:55 next meeting: 2 August 14:59:39 Mark: note the title property="dc:title" -- it may be useful to think of some default settings 15:00:15 ... e.g. the XHTML2 schema could give this property as a default attribute for title 15:01:39 Ralph: this would require GRDDL to be more Schema-aware 15:01:44 ... perhaps that's a good thing 15:02:15 [adjourned] 15:02:16 -Jeremy 15:02:17 -Steven 15:02:17 -Ben_Adida 15:02:19 -MarkB 15:02:20 -Ralph 15:02:22 SW_BPD(rdfxhtml)10:00AM has ended 15:02:23 Attendees were Steven, Ralph, Ben_Adida, MarkB, Jeremy 15:02:36 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:02:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html Ralph 15:02:41 dbooth2 has joined #swbp 15:02:45 rrsagent, please make minutes world 15:02:45 I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make minutes world', Ralph. Try /msg RRSAgent help 15:02:50 rrsagent, please make log world 15:03:06 zakim, bye 15:03:06 Zakim has left #swbp 15:07:37 benadida has left #swbp 17:49:59 rrsagent, bye 17:49:59 I see 10 open action items: 17:49:59 ACTION: Ben create a way to track progress on the 3 issues of qnames, reification, and custom attributes and elements [1] 17:49:59 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-irc#T14-07-46 17:49:59 ACTION: Ben to put together the "ACID" test for XHTML2 RDF/A [2] 17:49:59 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-irc#T14-10-21 17:49:59 ACTION: danbri record an issue re # vs / w.r.t. RDF Schema [3] 17:49:59 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-irc#T14-11-24 17:49:59 ACTION: jjc to circulate www conf paper [4] 17:49:59 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-irc#T14-12-34 17:49:59 ACTION: Mark to create an rdf/a wiki [5] 17:49:59 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-irc#T14-14-02 17:49:59 ACTION: Mark to check edge cases of inheritance in RDF/A [6] 17:49:59 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-irc#T14-14-14 17:49:59 ACTION: take a serious look at Mark's bnode proposal summary http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Jun/0010.html [7] 17:49:59 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-irc#T14-14-36 17:49:59 ACTION: Ben send mail to www-html-editors to assign an issue for the GRDDL namespace document behind the profile [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-swbp-minutes.html#action03] [8] 17:49:59 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-irc#T14-15-40 17:49:59 ACTION: Ben to notify working group via a status report of upcoming WD of Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-swbp-minutes.html#action02] [9] 17:49:59 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-irc#T14-16-10 17:49:59 ACTION: jjc to review rdf concepts and fragments [10] 17:49:59 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-irc#T14-37-20