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16:57:31 <Ralph> Meeting: SWBPD WG
16:57:45 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0070.html
16:58:18 <Ralph> Previous: 2004-07-11 http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html
16:58:42 <Zakim> SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started
16:58:50 <Zakim> +Phil_Tetlow
16:59:12 <Zakim> +Ralph
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17:00:30 <Ralph> Phil: Jeff Pan sends regrets
17:00:57 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make logs world-visible
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17:01:38 <Ralph> Chair: DavidW
17:02:06 <Zakim> +David_Wood
17:02:20 <Zakim> +ph.a
17:02:37 <Ralph> zakim, ph.a is Fabien
17:02:37 <Zakim> +Fabien; got it
17:02:44 <Zakim> +DBooth
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17:03:19 <Zakim> +[IBM]
17:03:32 <ChrisW> zakim, [ibm] is temporarily ChrisW
17:03:41 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
17:04:02 <Ralph> Topic: 1. Admin
17:04:07 <Zakim> +??P1
17:04:09 <Zakim> +Alistair_Miles (was ??P1)
17:04:09 <Ralph> Regrets: Guus Schreiber, Tom Baker, Natasha Noy, Benjamin Nguyen, Deb McGuinness, Elisa Kendall, Evan Wallace, Jeff Pan
17:04:27 <Zakim> + +31.20.465.aaaa
17:04:29 <Zakim> +DanBri
17:04:31 <Zakim> +??P7
17:04:44 <Ralph> zakim, ??p7 Mike
17:04:44 <Zakim> I don't understand '??p7 Mike', Ralph
17:04:52 <Ralph> zakim, ??p7 is Mike
17:04:52 <Zakim> +Mike; got it
17:04:56 <Ralph> zakim, aaaa is Jacco
17:04:56 <Zakim> +Jacco; got it
17:05:15 <Ralph> zakim, pick a victim
17:05:15 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ChrisW
17:05:22 <Zakim> +Giorgos_Stamou
17:05:39 <Ralph> Scribe: Chris
17:05:50 <Ralph> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 11 July telecon:
17:05:50 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html 2005-07-11 meeting record
17:06:45 <Ralph> RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 11 July telecon:
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17:07:08 <danbri> [Next Telecon
17:07:10 <danbri> Guus: in 2 weeks next, July 25th I'm on holiday]
17:07:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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17:08:16 <Ralph> zakim, ipcaller is Jeremy
17:08:16 <Zakim> +Jeremy; got it
17:08:25 <Chris_scribe> daveW: need to establish by end of summer targets for f2f
17:08:58 <Ralph> PROPOSED next meeting 22 August
17:09:07 <Chris_scribe> ...f2f gets us near end of charter
17:09:08 <Ralph> RESOLVED next meeting 22 August
17:09:25 <Ralph> agenda+ (Liaison) SPARQL
17:09:25 <Ralph> agenda+ (Liaison) EARL
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17:09:39 <Chris_scribe> ralph: notes 2 requests for reviews of other docs
17:10:02 <Chris_scribe> ...web acces. initiative and sparql
17:10:04 <danbri> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20050721/
17:10:13 <danbri> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-EARL10-Requirements-20050711/
17:10:20 <Chris_scribe> added to agenda at end of liasons
17:10:22 <Ralph> Topic: 2. LIAISON
17:10:31 <Ralph> Topic: 2.1 Proposed resolution httpRange-14
17:10:35 <Ralph> ACTION: Ralph, DavidW, and DavidB to an initial draft of TAG httpRange-14 resolution impact on semweb application developers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
17:10:36 <Chris_scribe> agendum: 2. LIAISON
17:10:36 <Chris_scribe> 2.1 Proposed resolution httpRange-14
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17:11:47 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0045.html DBooth's thing-defined-by proposal
17:11:58 <Chris_scribe> dbooth: would like proposal to be considered
17:12:12 <Chris_scribe> ...propose we do NOT take action until so
17:12:14 <danbri> url for proposal, dbooth?
17:12:27 <danbri> q+
17:12:30 <Chris_scribe> danbri, see above
17:12:42 <danbri> ah sorry :)
17:13:29 <DavidW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0071.html
17:14:08 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0071.html DBooth expands on thing-described-by
17:14:23 <Chris_scribe> davidW: how to respond?
17:14:29 <Chris_scribe> dbooth: would like more input
17:15:07 <danbri> q-
17:15:27 <dbooth> q+
17:15:36 <danbri> q+ to suggest david's proposal is orthogonal; but that choice of HTTP code needs further discussion
17:15:39 <Ralph> [I intend to consider DBooth's thing-defined-by idea but not let that me stop drafting words on the httpRange-14 TAG resolution]
17:16:05 <Chris_scribe> jjc: inclination to stay quiet, some people seem to be able to live with it
17:16:09 <danbri> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Jul/0012.html -- http-range resolution - should we ask purl.org to make 303 redirects possible? (DC, RSS1, ...) Dan Brickley 
17:16:22 <Chris_scribe> q+
17:16:27 <Chris_scribe> q-
17:16:27 <DavidW> q?
17:16:35 <DavidW> ack dbooth
17:16:55 <Chris_scribe> dbooth: my proposal is a follow-on to tags proposal
17:17:12 <DavidW> ack danbri
17:17:12 <Zakim> danbri, you wanted to suggest david's proposal is orthogonal; but that choice of HTTP code needs further discussion
17:18:00 <Chris_scribe> danbri: people are exhausted w/ topic, lots of email and proposals.  Dbooth's proposal looks like a value-add, but no need for it to come from a w3c group
17:18:46 <Chris_scribe> ...perl.org have a service that would require re-tooling to be compliant (Danbri check I'm getting this)
17:18:53 <Ralph> s/perl/purl/
17:19:11 <DavidW> zakim, who is alking?
17:19:11 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, DavidW.
17:19:17 <DavidW> zakim, who is talking?
17:19:26 <danbri> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Jul/0012.html
17:19:27 <DavidW> ack Ralph
17:19:27 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to say [I intend to consider DBooth's thing-defined-by idea but not let that me stop drafting words on the httpRange-14 TAG resolution]
17:19:32 <Zakim> DavidW, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ralph (14%), David_Wood (85%), DBooth (27%), Redland (13%)
17:19:47 <danbri> [[Many pre-HTTP/1.1 user agents do not understand the 303
17:19:49 <danbri> status. When interoperability with such clients is a concern, the
17:19:50 <danbri> 302 status code may be used instead, since most user agents react
17:19:52 <danbri> to a 302 response as described here for 303.]]
17:20:19 <Chris_scribe> ralph: not carefully considered dbooth's proposal, but don't intend to hold up considering action item
17:20:39 <Chris_scribe> ...still drafting language in response to tag proposal.
17:20:41 <danbri> q+ to be more concrete, we accept, conditional on TAG noting that a 302 HTTP response is also acceptable (since purl.org use that, and HTTP/1.1 allows the substitution anyway)
17:21:32 <Ralph> [reminder to re-read the actual text of the TAG's resolution too]
17:21:58 <jjc> q+
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17:22:34 <Chris_scribe> davidw: agree with ralph
17:22:56 <DavidW> q?
17:23:01 <Chris_scribe> ...move forward with action as stands and dbooth's proposal as sep. issues
17:23:03 <DavidW> ack danbri
17:23:03 <Zakim> danbri, you wanted to be more concrete, we accept, conditional on TAG noting that a 302 HTTP response is also acceptable (since purl.org use that, and HTTP/1.1 allows the
17:23:07 <Zakim> ... substitution anyway)
17:24:15 <DavidW> ack jjc
17:24:47 <Ralph> [searching http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?type=1#httpRange-14 for a pointer to the resolution, doesn't see one obvious]
17:26:18 <Ralph> Jeremy: DBooth's t-b-d proposal is more like things that IETF does
17:26:42 <Ralph> ... hence an Internet Draft may be more appropriate than a BP Note
17:27:09 <Ralph> ... I think Best Practice notes should only be written about established practices
17:27:11 <danbri> +1 re new practice
17:27:16 <Chris_scribe> jjc: don't think best practice should be a proposal for a new practice
17:27:23 <DavidW> q?
17:28:07 <Chris_scribe> agendum: 2.2 XML Schema Last Call
17:28:20 <DavidW> XSCD doc:
17:28:21 <DavidW>      http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xmlschema-ref-20050329/
17:28:33 <jjc> I volunteer - I've read earlier docs.
17:29:12 <jjc> when's the deadline?
17:29:19 <Chris_scribe> action: jjc to review XML Schema last call
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17:30:26 <Chris_scribe> agendum 2.3 OMG: ODM review
17:30:42 <Ralph> ACTION: Guus to comment on ODM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
17:30:49 <Ralph> -- continues
17:31:04 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0085.html ODM update [Elisa]
17:31:46 <Ralph> Topic: 2.4 SPARQL
17:31:52 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Jul/0025.html Last Call for comments on "SPARQL Query Language for RDF"
17:32:07 <dbooth> Ralph: SPARQL went to Last Call last week.  
17:32:48 <Chris_scribe> ralph: some swbp input to DAWL/Sparql, feedback solicited
17:32:54 <dbooth> ... We were asked last year to give input on subject and something else.  We were requested by the DAWG chair to give final feedback on how our ealier feedback was recorded.
17:34:44 <Chris_scribe> davidw: looks like it has grown considerably
17:36:04 <Chris_scribe> davidw: important stuff - we need to get a review from swbp
17:36:20 <Ralph> [?do we _need_ to do a review?]
17:36:36 <danbri> q+ to ask about testing
17:37:04 <DavidW> Ralph, no, but it would be a shame if we didn't care...
17:37:15 <DavidW> ack danbri
17:37:15 <Zakim> danbri, you wanted to ask about testing
17:37:37 <Chris_scribe> danbri: rdf test cases were a huge part of the rdf spec - doesn't seem to have the same emphasis in sparql
17:37:51 <Chris_scribe> ...might be worth some comment
17:38:19 <Ralph> q+ to note that responses from us are appropriate in the context of _Practices_
17:38:52 <danbri> (& _deployment_, ralph?)
17:38:52 <Chris_scribe> jjc: notes that test cases in webont prceeded differently
17:39:16 <Ralph> q+ to add deployment
17:39:36 <Ralph> q-
17:40:04 <Chris_scribe> davidw: agrees that test cases are important for encouraging interoperability
17:40:14 <jjc> fixed!
17:40:46 <jjc> (in response to danbri's rdf syntax test case)
17:41:20 <Ralph> Topic: 2.5 EARL
17:41:27 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/ EARL 1.0 [WD 2002-12-06]
17:41:40 <Chris_scribe> ralph: from web access. initiative
17:41:56 <Chris_scribe> ...earl is a way to record the evaluations of accessibility of web pages
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17:42:18 <Chris_scribe> ...seems like a natural RDF app (metadata)
17:42:37 <aliman> See also http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Requirements/ 2005-07-11
17:42:54 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Requirements/ Requirements for the Evaluation and Report Language (EARL) 1.0 [WD 2005-07-11]
17:43:06 <jjc> This is a W3C Working Draft produced by the Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG)
17:43:49 <aliman> See also http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20050711.html editor's draft 11 july 2005
17:44:11 <Chris_scribe> ralph: seems appropriate for swbp to review
17:44:31 <jjc> it's very short
17:44:46 <Chris_scribe> ...no formal request to review, but it is possible
17:45:11 <jjc> i'll do it - it'll only take thirty mins
17:45:28 <jjc> key line: 
17:45:29 <jjc>     EARL 1.0 will be an RDF Schema as defined by the RDF Vocabulary Description Language 1.0
17:46:01 <Ralph> Ralph: EARL was an RDF application at one time, I assume it might still be
17:46:10 <Ralph> Topic 3.1 PORT
17:46:12 <Chris_scribe> agendum: 3. TF UPDATES
17:46:12 <Chris_scribe> 3.1 PORT (Alistair)
17:46:14 <Ralph> ACTION: Guus ask Mark if he can review next SKOS edits [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action04]
17:46:20 <Ralph> -- withdrawn
17:46:22 <jjc> ACTION: jjc review EARL requirements
17:46:30 <Ralph> Alistair: I've contacted Mark myself
17:46:47 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0077.html [PORT] review process [Alistair]
17:46:51 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0078.html RE: [PORT] review process [Alistair]
17:46:54 <Chris_scribe> alistair: will inform guus of dropped action
17:48:28 <Chris_scribe> alistair: seeking feedback on the policies for reviews described above
17:49:05 <Chris_scribe> davidw: seems ok, note ralph's comments
17:49:31 <jjc> q+ 
17:49:52 <Chris_scribe> alistair: mainly concerned that reviewers have the ability to "veto" changes
17:50:08 <DavidW> Ralph, humbly pleased?
17:50:15 <Chris_scribe> ralph: seemed liek proposal was asking reviewers to do the job of the TF
17:50:50 <Chris_scribe> ...see now that getting outside comments was considered reviewing
17:51:21 <Chris_scribe> ...which is fine.  Main job of reviewers in SWBP is to approve next WD (or notes)
17:53:21 <Ralph> q+ to say "I don't want to be asked 'Is proposed change XXX ok' but rather 'Do you see any issues with proposed change XXX'?"
17:53:51 <DavidW> ack jjc
17:54:02 <DavidW> ack jjc
17:55:05 <danbri> [yup. tf lead should report substantive dissagreements to the wg, but can advise wg to move ahead anyway...]
17:56:14 <Zakim> + +1.441.316.aabb
17:56:19 <Ralph> Topic: 3.2 OEP
17:56:29 <Ralph> Chris: everyone's been on vacation
17:56:32 <Ralph> zakim, aabb is Jeff
17:56:32 <Zakim> +Jeff; got it
17:56:36 <Ralph> ACTION: Guus review new n-ary relations editor's draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action04]
17:56:42 <Ralph> ACTION: Ralph review new n-ary relations editor's draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action03]
17:56:54 <Ralph> -- continues
17:57:12 <Ralph> Chris: the latest editor's draft is on the OEP page and has been ready for review
17:57:16 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0081.html OEP Update from Deb
17:57:42 <jrvosse> zakim, mute jrvosse
17:57:42 <Zakim> sorry, jrvosse, I do not see a party named 'jrvosse'
17:57:46 <Ralph> Topic: 3.3 WordNet
17:57:55 <Ralph> ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description
17:57:57 <Ralph> -- continues
17:58:06 <Ralph> DanBri: I think we should consider closing this TF
17:58:10 <jrvosse> zakim, mute Jacco
17:58:10 <Zakim> Jacco should now be muted
17:58:44 <Ralph> Topic: 3.4 XML Schema datatypes
17:58:55 <DavidW> ack jjc
17:59:02 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0058.html Re: XML Schema Datatypes in RDF and OWL [Dave Reynolds]
17:59:10 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0094.html comment: "XML Schema Datatypes in RDF and OWL" [Frank Manola]
18:00:13 <Ralph> Jeremy: with an implementor's hat, I was part of the Jena team that decided the xpath solution hard to implement
18:00:15 <aliman> zakim, mute alistair
18:00:15 <Zakim> Alistair_Miles should now be muted
18:00:37 <Ralph> ... as an editor, I took the users' perspective that the xpath solution was the better one
18:01:23 <Chris_scribe> jeffp to draft a response to dave reynolds
18:01:28 <Ralph> Topic: 3.5 Vocabulary Management
18:01:31 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0064.html [VM] Telecon report - 2005-07-19 [Tom]
18:02:01 <jjc> ACTION: jeffp to draft a response to dave reynolds
18:02:39 <jjc> q+ iri
18:02:43 <Chris_scribe> davidw: do you anticipate TF taking a stand on IRIs?
18:03:16 <Chris_scribe> ralph: expect there to be practical issues TF can't propose solutions for
18:03:26 <jjc> q+ to talk about iri
18:03:33 <jjc> q- iri
18:03:59 <DavidW> ack jjc
18:04:06 <Zakim> Jeremy, you wanted to talk about iri
18:05:02 <jjc> iri spec if rfc ???? see in a min
18:05:14 <Ralph> Jeremy: [the intent of the RDF Core WG was that] IRIs are usable in the Semantic Web
18:05:52 <jjc> RFC 3987
18:06:14 <Chris_scribe> (from IETF)
18:06:36 <Ralph> -> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3987.txt IRIs
18:06:37 <Chris_scribe> agendum3.6 RDF-in-HTML (Ben)
18:06:45 <Ralph> ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have use cases
18:06:46 <Chris_scribe> agendum 3.6 RDF-in-HTML (Ralph)
18:07:02 <jjc> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3987.txt
18:07:07 <Ralph> s/use cases/use cases for GRDDL/
18:07:12 <Ralph> ACTION: Ralph suggest to XHTML TF that Jeremy's WWW2005 Talk be turned into a document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action07]
18:07:39 <Ralph> -- done
18:08:21 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-swbp-minutes.html Report on 19 July telecon
18:09:38 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jun/0073.html Interest in GRDDL from IPTC [Tom]
18:10:27 <danbri> The International Press Telecommunications Council -- http://www.iptc.org/
18:10:49 <Chris_scribe> ralph: IPRC has interest in GRDDL and embedding RDF-in-HTML, 
18:11:03 <Chris_scribe> ... seems to be little interest in GRDDL in SWBP
18:11:49 <Chris_scribe> davidW: grddl exists as a solution.
18:12:29 <jjc> q+ to iptc
18:12:43 <DavidW> ack jer
18:12:43 <Zakim> Jeremy, you wanted to iptc
18:12:47 <Ralph> zakim, mute jeff
18:12:47 <Zakim> Jeff should now be muted
18:13:15 <Ralph> Jeremy: IPTC seems to be concerned about bandwidth
18:13:30 <Ralph> ... so the GRDDL stylesheet might be too long for them
18:14:15 <DavidW> ack Ralph
18:14:15 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to reply
18:14:33 <Chris_scribe> ralph: so rdf/a may not be a solution because of bandwidth and thus grddl
18:14:57 <Ralph> Ralph: yes, compactness of encoding is an issue for IPTC but rather than that being an issue for GRDDL it is a potential advantage for GRDDL over an RDF/A solution
18:14:58 <Chris_scribe> agendum: 3.7 ADTF (Libby)
18:15:13 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0068.html Semantic Web Applications and Demos [Libby]
18:15:15 <jjc> yes to ralph, ...
18:15:18 <Ralph> ACTION: Libby gives DanBri html fragment for wg homepage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
18:15:20 <Ralph> -- done
18:15:23 <Ralph> ACTION: DanBri update wg homepage w/ pointer to doap registry from Libby [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action06]
18:15:25 <Ralph> -- done
18:16:04 <Chris_scribe> davidw: tagging apps/demos with RDF/OWL applicability issue?
18:17:14 <jrvosse> libby, i've been asking  jeen broekstra to make a doap profile for openrdf.org, he responded he was already working on one...
18:17:40 <Chris_scribe> libby: some technical challenges to do with Grddl/blog interoperation
18:18:55 <Ralph> Topic: 3.8 RDFTM
18:19:00 <Ralph> ACTION: Guus send email to Steve Pepper re status of new rdftm draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action07]
18:19:08 <Ralph> -- continues
18:19:47 <Ralph> Topic: 3.9 Tutorial Page
18:20:01 <Ralph> Ralph: Benjamin sent regrets for today's meeting
18:20:15 <Chris_scribe> jeffp will ping benjamin
18:20:23 <Ralph> Topic: 3.10 SE TF
18:20:28 <Ralph> ACTION: Chris and Benjamin to review SETF note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action08]
18:20:33 <Ralph> -- continues
18:21:04 <Ralph> Topic: 3.11 MM TF Proposal
18:21:08 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0066.html Multimedia Annotation Task Force Proposal [Giorgos]
18:21:38 <jrvosse> zakim, unmute Jacco
18:21:38 <Zakim> Jacco should no longer be muted
18:22:55 <Chris_scribe> zakim, who is talking?
18:23:06 <Zakim> Chris_scribe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ralph (20%), David_Wood (19%), DBooth (35%), Giorgos_Stamou (95%)
18:23:58 <Chris_scribe> giorgos: Two work items, survey of work and best practices for annotating multimedia documents for SW
18:24:17 <Chris_scribe> ...have something to start with, can deliver by end of sept.
18:24:46 <Chris_scribe> ...for video, we have one more year (???), perhaps do something about transformation (of what???)
18:24:55 <dbooth> zakim, mute me
18:24:55 <Zakim> DBooth should now be muted
18:26:31 <Chris_scribe> giorgio: will start with covering abstract levels of information in MM docs
18:26:51 <Chris_scribe> ...try to classify standards into these levels (e.g. syntactic, semantic, ...)
18:27:00 <DavidW> ack Ralph
18:27:28 <Chris_scribe> ralph: exciting work, share concern with chair that need to find realistic short-term deliverables
18:27:34 <jjc> q+ to talk about HP situation
18:28:16 <Zakim> -Jeff
18:28:44 <DavidW> ack jer
18:28:44 <Zakim> Jeremy, you wanted to talk about HP situation
18:29:42 <Zakim> + +44.131.667.aacc
18:30:06 <jjc> Possible HP concern over overlap between TF and XG (incubator group) - still being discussed inside HP
18:30:38 <Ralph> DavidW: I'd like to delay formal approval of the TF until next meeting
18:30:41 <Zakim> -ChrisW
18:30:54 <Ralph> ... as Guus was instrumental
18:30:57 <jjc> q+
18:31:10 <DavidW> ack jer
18:31:23 <Ralph> Jeremy: I've not heard any objections to this task force
18:31:27 <DavidW> ack Ralph
18:31:27 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to comment on participation
18:32:15 <Zakim> -DBooth
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18:33:32 <mike> How much actual best practice exists for multi-media annotation?
18:34:48 <Ralph> Ralph: a new TF does add to the WG's work load and the WG is under-represented at today's telecon
18:35:12 <Ralph> ... I'm concerned that there be critical mass of WG participants who agree to work with this TF
18:35:23 <Ralph> Mike: are there existing practices to evaluate?
18:35:47 <Ralph> Giorgos: yes, there are practices to look at
18:36:03 <Ralph> David: hearing a lot of discussion, I judge that we need to defer a formal decision to next telecon
18:36:36 <Ralph> Ralph: meanwhile, feel free to use the WG mailing list to discuss the content
18:36:46 <Zakim> -Phil_Tetlow
18:36:47 <aliman> thanks folks :)
18:36:48 <libby> thanks all
18:36:50 <Zakim> -Jeremy
18:36:51 <Zakim> - +44.131.667.aacc
18:36:51 <Zakim> -David_Wood
18:36:52 <FabGandon> Bye.
18:36:52 <Zakim> -Jacco
18:36:52 <Zakim> -Alistair_Miles
18:36:54 <Zakim> -Mike
18:36:55 <Ralph> Giorgos: please take this up earlier on the agenda next time
18:36:57 <Zakim> -Fabien
18:36:58 <Ralph> David: yes
18:37:01 <Ralph> [adjourned]
18:37:04 <Zakim> -Redland
18:37:06 <Zakim> -Giorgos_Stamou
18:37:08 <Zakim> -Ralph
18:37:09 <Zakim> SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended
18:37:10 <Zakim> Attendees were Phil_Tetlow, Ralph, David_Wood, ph, Fabien, DBooth, ChrisW, Alistair_Miles, +31.20.465.aaaa, Mike, Jacco, DanBri, Libby, Giorgos_Stamou, Jeremy, +1.441.316.aabb,
18:37:12 <Zakim> ... Jeff, +44.131.667.aacc
19:03:23 <danbri> danbri has left #swbp
19:20:36 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
19:20:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html Ralph
19:20:48 <Ralph> zakim, bye
19:20:48 <Zakim> Zakim has left #swbp
19:21:00 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
19:21:00 <RRSAgent> I see 15 open action items:
19:21:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph, DavidW, and DavidB to an initial draft of TAG httpRange-14 resolution impact on semweb application developers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action02] [1]
19:21:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T17-10-35
19:21:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jjc to review XML Schema last call [2]
19:21:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T17-29-19
19:21:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to comment on ODM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [3]
19:21:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T17-30-42
19:21:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus ask Mark if he can review next SKOS edits [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action04] [4]
19:21:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T17-46-14
19:21:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jjc review EARL requirements [5]
19:21:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T17-46-22
19:21:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus review new n-ary relations editor's draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action04] [6]
19:21:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T17-56-36
19:21:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph review new n-ary relations editor's draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action03] [7]
19:21:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T17-56-42
19:21:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description [8]
19:21:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T17-57-55
19:21:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeffp to draft a response to dave reynolds [9]
19:21:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T18-02-01
19:21:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have use cases [10]
19:21:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T18-06-45
19:21:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph suggest to XHTML TF that Jeremy's WWW2005 Talk be turned into a document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action07] [11]
19:21:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T18-07-12
19:21:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Libby gives DanBri html fragment for wg homepage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [12]
19:21:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T18-15-18
19:21:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanBri update wg homepage w/ pointer to doap registry from Libby [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action06] [13]
19:21:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T18-15-23
19:21:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus send email to Steve Pepper re status of new rdftm draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action07] [14]
19:21:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T18-19-00
19:21:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chris and Benjamin to review SETF note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action08] [15]
19:21:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T18-20-28