19:15:10 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 19:15:10 logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/07/21-wai-wcag-irc 19:15:15 RRSAgent, make log world 19:15:44 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0169.html 19:16:18 agenda+ request for WCAG 1.0 interpretation regarding tables for layout. http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2005/06/30-mapping.html 19:16:51 agendum 1 = request for WCAG 1.0 interpretation regarding tables for layout. http://tinyurl.com/8drxs 19:17:14 agenda+ Mapping of 1.0 to 2.0 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2005/06/30-mapping.html 19:18:10 agenda+ wording for principle 4 "Content is compatible with current user agents." or "Content is compatible with current and future user agents." or ??? 19:18:36 agenda+ removing [I] and [V] notation http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0104.html 19:18:41 Chair: Wendy 19:20:56 Regrets: Roberto Scano, Becky Gibson, Gregg Vanderheiden, John Slatin, Sebastiano Nutarelli, Alex Li, Christophe Strobbe 19:38:53 rellero has joined #wai-wcag 19:45:36 wendy has joined #wai-wcag 19:53:10 bengt has joined #wai-wcag 19:54:03 joeclark has joined #wai-wcag 19:54:18 regrets+ Yvette_Hoitink 19:56:08 WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started 19:56:15 +??P3 19:56:27 Zakim, ??P3 is Joe_Clark 19:56:27 +Joe_Clark; got it 19:56:45 I'll call back. 19:56:49 -Joe_Clark 19:56:50 WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended 19:56:51 Attendees were Joe_Clark 19:58:37 Michael has joined #wai-wcag 19:58:54 WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started 19:59:01 + +1.613.482.aaaa 19:59:14 zakim, +1.613 is Michael_Cooper 19:59:14 +Michael_Cooper; got it 19:59:22 -Michael_Cooper 19:59:24 +Michael_Cooper 19:59:25 zakim, I am Michael_Cooper 19:59:25 +Wendy 19:59:26 ok, Michael, I now associate you with Michael_Cooper 20:00:16 +??P4 20:00:25 zakim, ??P4 is Bengt_Farre 20:00:25 +Bengt_Farre; got it 20:00:54 +??P5 20:00:55 +David_MacDonald 20:00:58 zakim, ??P5 is Ben 20:00:58 +Ben; got it 20:01:09 +??P7 20:01:18 Zakim, ??P7 is Joe_Clark 20:01:18 +Joe_Clark; got it 20:01:56 David_ has joined #wai-wcag 20:02:11 +Tim_Boland 20:03:43 Tim has joined #wai-wcag 20:04:35 +??P9 20:04:44 zakim, ??P9 is Gian 20:04:44 +Gian; got it 20:05:50 test 20:06:54 zakim, item 1 20:06:54 I don't understand 'item 1', wendy 20:06:58 zakim, take up item 1 20:06:58 agendum 1. "request for WCAG 1.0 interpretation regarding tables for layout. http://tinyurl.com/8drxs" taken up 20:07:40 +??P10 20:07:44 zakim, ??P10 is rellero 20:07:45 +rellero; got it 20:07:48 -rellero 20:08:24 +Sebastiano_Nutarelli 20:08:34 wc: what would happen to our timeline if we ublished a revised WCAG 1.0 20:08:41 zakim, Sebastiano_Nutarelli is rellero 20:08:41 +rellero; got it 20:09:00 wc: perhaps a subgroup would go away and do a survey and get changes through quickly 20:09:05 q+ 20:09:28 q+ 20:09:30 wc: this also relates to mapping, 20:09:53 ack joe 20:11:46 jc: googles kyn barteltt nov 2003, recommended this...only objection was can't do 2 things at once...but I don't think we can do both in the short time we have, among other reasons 20:12:26 wc: maybe just an errata of 1.0 would be doable 20:12:33 ack mich 20:13:31 mc: I agree about difficulties in doing it. Charles is looking for an interpretation from the WG. Even if we posted an email to the list with a statement 20:14:05 mc: if we don't do that credibility will be an issue 20:14:06 (an updated errata of wcag 1.0 - http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WAI-WEBCONTENT-ERRATA 20:14:07 ack gian 20:16:02 q+ 20:17:01 Gian: many organizations have their own erratas...many people expect 2.0 this year...we are holding them back...but an erratta wil give them something to work with....organizaitons are expecting 2.0 any week and are putting off 20:17:08 ack w 20:17:58 wc:some are concerned that people might be less likely to move to 2.0 if we do an errata 20:18:53 q+ 20:19:45 ack david 20:23:49 table at: http://www.w3.org/2003/12/wcag10-errata-table.html 20:24:26 q+ 20:26:50 ack gian 20:27:45 wc: 1.0 priority 2 says "use style sheets for layout" 20:28:42 CSS techniques *permit* layout tables if they linearize correctly (an old chestnut, but it is in our techiques): http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-CSS-TECHS/#style-alignment 20:29:51 q+ 20:30:44 ack joe 20:31:42 table of possible errata from 2003: http://www.w3.org/2003/12/wcag10-errata-table.html 20:32:13 ack tim 20:33:11 q+ 20:33:11 ack wendy 20:35:18 ack David 20:36:39 zakim, take next item 20:36:39 I don't understand 'take next item', wendy 20:36:45 zakim, take up next item 20:36:45 agendum 2. "Mapping of 1.0 to 2.0 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2005/06/30-mapping.html" taken up [from wendy] 20:36:45 no resolusion 20:39:21 resolution: wendy will make a survey 20:39:48 action: wc to make survey 20:39:50 zakim, take up next item 20:39:50 agendum 3. "wording for principle 4 "Content is compatible with current user agents." or "Content is compatible with current and future user agents." or ???" taken up [from wendy] 20:40:09 ack Tim 20:40:38 tb: asks if mapping includes deprecated items from 1.0 20:41:54 tb: thnks the word deprecated should be used if it applies 20:42:58 scribe: David_ 20:43:17 zakim, take up next item 20:43:17 agendum 4. "removing [I] and [V] notation http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0104.html" taken up [from wendy] 20:44:24 q+ 20:44:39 "content is compatible with user agents" ?? 20:45:06 ack ben 20:46:51 q+ 20:47:43 ack david 20:48:23 Wonder has joined #wai-wcag 20:50:56 This is Gian 20:52:21 ack Tim 20:54:22 action: wendy JIS about Robust. forward defn of robust and determine if that helps them determine. 20:58:43 resolution: wac check with JIS if can translate, use (s/tech/user agents) other wise use latest wording on list "compatible with c & f UA" 20:58:51 zakim, agendum 4 20:58:51 I don't understand 'agendum 4', wendy 20:58:58 zakim, take up agendum 4 20:58:58 agendum 4. "removing [I] and [V] notation http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0104.html" taken up [from wendy] 20:59:37 resolution: remove [I] and [V] notation from drafts 21:05:17 -Tim_Boland 21:05:19 -Joe_Clark 21:05:20 -Wendy 21:05:21 -Michael_Cooper 21:05:22 -Gian 21:05:23 -David_MacDonald 21:05:25 -Ben 21:05:26 -Bengt_Farre 21:05:59 RRSAgent, draft minutes 21:05:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/07/21-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy 21:07:17 regrets+ matt may, yvette hoitink 21:07:19 RRSAgent, draft minutes 21:07:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/07/21-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy 21:09:11 Wonder has left #wai-wcag 21:10:53 joeclark has left #wai-wcag 21:35:30 -rellero 21:35:32 WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended 21:35:34 Attendees were +1.613.482.aaaa, Michael_Cooper, Wendy, Bengt_Farre, David_MacDonald, Ben, Joe_Clark, Tim_Boland, Gian, rellero 21:41:38 ben has left #wai-wcag 22:02:27 Meeting: WCAG WG weekly 22:02:31 RRSAgent, draft minutes 22:02:31 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/07/21-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy 22:15:08 zakim, bye 22:15:08 Zakim has left #wai-wcag 22:15:14 RRSAgent, bye 22:15:14 I see 2 open action items: 22:15:14 ACTION: wc to make survey [1] 22:15:14 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/21-wai-wcag-irc#T20-39-48 22:15:14 ACTION: wendy JIS about Robust. forward defn of robust and determine if that helps them determine. [2] 22:15:14 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/21-wai-wcag-irc#T20-54-22