13:16:36 RRSAgent has joined #vmtf 13:16:36 logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/07-vmtf-irc 13:16:41 zakim, who is on the call? 13:16:41 On the phone I see Tom_Baker, ??P2, ??P3, Danbri 13:17:09 +Alistair_Miles (was ??P2) 13:17:21 http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/metadata/dcmi/dc-elem-prop/ 13:17:25 zakim, p3 is bernard 13:17:25 sorry, aliman, I do not recognize a party named 'p3' 13:17:32 zakim, ??P3 is bernard 13:17:32 +bernard; got it 13:17:48 http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/metadata/dcmi/dc-elem-refine/ 13:19:55 http://www.w3.org/2001/06/rdf-xproc/1 13:20:41 tbaker: talking about http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/metadata/dcmi/dc-elem-refine/ ... 13:20:53 explains difference between xml element and rdf property ... 13:21:23 for people who want to create application profiles ... 13:21:34 berva has joined #vmtf 13:21:38 explains difference between rdf model and xml infoset ... 13:21:58 many folks don't understand the difference ... 13:22:07 berva has joined #vmtf 13:22:09 this has bearing on migration. ... 13:22:34 http://www.w3.org/2001/06/rdf-xproc/1 13:22:56 I wonder if I still agree with that doc :) 13:23:15 oops tbaker was talking about http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/metadata/dcmi/dc-elem-prop/ before 13:23:30 tbaker: talking about http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/metadata/dcmi/dc-elem-refine/ ... 13:23:46 explains what it means to make a sub-property relation ... 13:23:58 this type of explanation is needed ... 13:24:14 if we want a coherent stotry for migration ... 13:24:27 is this in scope for the current draft? ... 13:24:45 or do we focus on low hanging fruit, and talk about building vocabs from scratch ... 13:24:52 al: my position... 13:24:57 ...leave migration copmletely alone 13:25:04 ...describe as if had been only rdf 13:25:35 if you start thinkingabout migration, if you open the lid, it's one of those threads in a jumper :) 13:26:36 bernard: what is the target audience? ... 13:26:56 . 13:27:30 danbri: phrase from dcmi - what you do in your own database is your own business ... 13:27:40 what matters is what goes over the public networks ... 13:27:58 danbri: happy staying with RDF side of things... 13:28:01 rdf was designed to give technical story to dcmi about how that works. 13:28:49 tbaker: happy with scoping, get something out before summer hols ... 13:29:36 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:29:36 On the phone I see Tom_Baker, Alistair_Miles, bernard, Danbri 13:30:23 bernard: we should have clear statement of the scope 13:30:38 +1 on statement of scope 13:30:53 tbaker: you mean explicitly stating this is not about migration 13:30:56 ... 13:31:03 do we need to say any more than that? 13:31:20 tbaker: scope is implicit in current draft ... 13:31:25 (+1, it doesn't raise expectations that it should be about migration) 13:31:52 can work on this next week ... 13:32:14 fill out technical details before telecon on 21st June ... 13:33:06 aliman: i'm happy for tom to do next round of editing 13:33:47 ACTION: tbaker to edit current vmtf draft for discussion on 21st june 13:34:11 tbaker: move on to hashless http uris ... 13:34:25 danbri: have made no progress since last draft 13:34:32 tbaker: which way is tag going? 13:34:57 danbri: not on tag's radar ... 13:35:16 but this new doc is modest ... 13:35:34 says rdf classes & properties are similar in a way to documents and web services ... 13:35:49 and therefore classes and properties can be named by hashless http uris ... 13:36:02 compatible with tag decisions. ... 13:36:35 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/VM/httpclass/1.html 13:38:28 bernard: should danbri's doc be included in vmtf basic principles draft? 13:38:54 danbri: better to have separate, esp. because recommendations regarding http uris depend on agreement with tag, esp timbl 13:39:00 aliman: +1 on separate 13:39:30 tbaker: shall we keep the hashless doc on active agenda for VMTF? 13:39:59 danbri: can make some progress on the hashless doc 13:40:47 tbaker: danbri can you add th foaf examples into the basic principles draft? 13:40:56 ... i was going to do that for dcmi. 13:41:17 .... expect to do that for SKOS, FOAF, DC ... plus anything else ... 13:41:32 q+ 13:41:45 then put it up for review. 13:42:29 danbri: hashless thing, not competing for the same time, keep it on the agenda, i'll do it when I can find the right words ... 13:43:07 tbaker: we should tyupe examples into draft in next few weeks ... 13:44:51 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/VM/principles/20050513 13:48:29 ACTION: tom to add dC exampels, danbri to add foaf examples, aliman to add SKOS examples to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/VM/principles/20050513 before 21 June 13:49:09 tbaker: we use the basic principles draft as a step towards harmonisation. 13:49:35 bernard: what example could I bring? would be happy to take an action. 13:50:02 rrsagent, please make log public 13:50:06 tbaker: will write a report of this telecon ... 13:50:08 rrsagent, please draft minutes 13:50:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/06/07-vmtf-minutes.html danbri 13:50:20 rrsagent, bookmark? 13:50:20 See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/07-vmtf-irc#T13-50-20 13:51:46 -Danbri 13:51:53 rrsagent, botsnack! 13:51:53 I'm logging. I don't understand 'botsnack!', danbri. Try /msg RRSAgent help 13:51:58 -bernard 13:54:18 berva has left #vmtf 13:55:50 -Tom_Baker 13:55:51 SW_BPD(VMTF)9:00AM has ended 13:55:52 Attendees were Tom_Baker, Danbri, Alistair_Miles, bernard 15:42:53 Zakim has left #vmtf 15:52:16 danbri has left #vmtf