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14:31:12 <kendall> zakim, mute me
14:31:12 <Zakim> sorry, kendall, I don't know what conference this is
14:31:23 <ericP> zakim, this id dawg
14:31:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this id dawg', ericP
14:31:26 <AndyS_scribe> zakim, this will be DAWG
14:31:26 <Zakim> ok, AndyS_scribe, I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM already started
14:31:27 <ericP> zakim, this is dawg
14:31:28 <Zakim> ericP, this was already SW_DAWG()10:30AM
14:31:29 <Zakim> ok, ericP; that matches SW_DAWG()10:30AM
14:31:45 <AndyS_scribe> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:31:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kevin, ??P3, Kendall_Clark
14:31:50 <howardk> hmmm, zakim doesn't like me this morning ...
14:31:50 <kendall> zakim, mute me
14:31:50 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
14:32:04 <AndyS_scribe> zakim, ??p3 is AndyS_scribe
14:32:04 <Zakim> +AndyS_scribe; got it
14:32:18 <howardk> rude guy, he's hung up on me twice
14:32:34 <Zakim> +EricP
14:32:55 <ericP> zakim, who is here?
14:32:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kevin, AndyS_scribe, Kendall_Clark (muted), EricP
14:32:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, KevinW, howardk, kendall, DanC_lap, AndyS_scribe, SteveH, ericP, AndyS, DanC
14:33:21 <Zakim> +HowardK
14:33:31 <Zakim> +??P7
14:33:40 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P7 is SteveH
14:33:40 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
14:33:50 <SteveH> Zakim, mute me
14:33:50 <Zakim> SteveH should now be muted
14:34:02 <ericP> PathH will be late
14:34:47 <Zakim> +??P5
14:35:01 <ericP> regrets: Jeen Broekstra, Jos Deroo, Yoshio FUKUSHIGE
14:35:20 <AndyS_scribe> regrets: Jeen
14:38:37 <AndyS_scribe> ?P5 is Souripriya Das (Oracle) aka Souri
14:39:05 <ericP> Zakim, ??P5 is Souri
14:39:05 <Zakim> +Souri; got it
14:39:24 <ericP> 1. Convene, take roll, review records and agenda
14:39:29 <ericP> 1. Convene, take roll, review records and agenda
14:39:38 <AndyS_scribe> (Eric chairs for a while)
14:39:38 <kendall> hmm, i  guess i didn't need to illegally park in front of my building to make the start of the telcon! :>
14:39:42 <ericP> agenda + Convene, take roll, review records and agenda
14:39:53 <ericP> zakim, who i shere?
14:39:53 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, ericP.
14:39:56 <ericP> zakim, who is here?
14:39:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kevin, AndyS_scribe, Kendall_Clark (muted), EricP, HowardK, SteveH (muted), Souri
14:39:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, KevinW, howardk, kendall, AndyS_scribe, SteveH, ericP, AndyS, DanC
14:40:34 <AndyS_scribe> (pat will be late)
14:40:50 <ericP> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005AprJun/0248.html
14:41:04 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
14:41:04 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
14:41:21 <AndyS_scribe> Acceptd minutes from last time
14:41:30 <AndyS_scribe> Next meeting: May 31
14:41:37 <ericP> zakim, please pick a scribe
14:41:37 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose EricP
14:41:46 <DanC_lap> DanC_lap has joined #dawg
14:41:53 <AndyS_scribe> Scribe next time: EricP
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14:42:25 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION AndyS: get tests/data/sort/query-sort-1.rq marked approved
14:42:26 <AndyS_scribe> DONE
14:42:33 <kendall> DanC_lap: yes, Eric is handling it.
14:42:37 <ericP> agdenda + publishing results format, protocol
14:42:43 <ericP> agenda + publishing results format, protocol
14:42:46 <AndyS_scribe> conintuned:
14:42:47 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION: EricP to pair with SteveH on making the HTML test results page
14:42:47 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION: DaveB to to propose source test to approve
14:42:47 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION: DanC to follow up re optional test based on op:dateTime triple
14:42:47 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION: SteveH to prepare test cases for publication as WG Note (no
14:42:47 <AndyS_scribe> deadline/urgency)
14:42:49 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION: AndyS to add the above graph test cases (analagous to
14:42:51 <AndyS_scribe> valueTesting test cases) (don't expect quick delivery)
14:42:59 <ericP> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:42:59 <Zakim> agendum 2. "publishing results format, protocol" taken up [from ericP]
14:43:40 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION EricP: to publish http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rf1/ 1.25
14:43:46 <AndyS_scribe> CONTINUED
14:43:47 <ericP> agenda + issue fromUnionQuery
14:43:50 <ericP> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:43:50 <Zakim> agendum 3. "issue fromUnionQuery" taken up [from ericP]
14:45:38 <AndyS_scribe> (back 2 - protocol to be published?)
14:45:49 <AndyS_scribe> Neither published - in progress
14:47:07 <kendall> here's the uri: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-rdf-sparql-protocol-20050523/
14:47:14 <AndyS_scribe> (agendum 3 restart)
14:47:18 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION KendallC: reword "the protocol must be preferred by a SPARQL query service", perhaps w.r.t. the WSDL interface
14:47:29 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION: EricP to try out the "2 list of URIs" datasets design from <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0440.html>
14:47:55 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION 8: done
14:48:11 <Zakim> +[UMD]
14:48:17 <AndyS_scribe> continued: action 9
14:48:26 <AndyS_scribe> (Bijan calls in)
14:48:52 <ericP> agenda + issue: valueTesting
14:48:55 <ericP> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:48:55 <Zakim> agendum 4. "issue: valueTesting" taken up [from ericP]
14:48:58 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION: DanC to send comment on non-use of <http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-datatypes> to schema comments list
14:49:14 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION: EricP to propose a test re "x"^^mytype != "y"^^mytpe progress: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/#extendedType-eq-pass
14:49:14 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION: DaveB to work with EricP to clarify valueTesting proposal
14:49:39 <AndyS_scribe> Progress : action 12 but continues
14:50:04 <SteveH> yes
14:50:12 <AndyS_scribe> Progress : action 13 - Eric wants to get help from SteveH - Steve agrees
14:50:30 <ericP> agenda + some comments
14:50:42 <ericP> agenda + issue wsdlAbstractProtocol
14:50:49 <AndyS_scribe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005AprJun/0154.html
14:50:55 <AndyS_scribe> Comment from TBL about str()
14:50:56 <ericP> agenda + punctuationSyntax
14:51:06 <SteveH> DanC_lap, just pasted the zakim number into the "dial" tab
14:51:07 <ericP> agenda + Last Call schedule
14:51:09 <DanC_lap> (I talked with PatH last week about how to reply to timbl)
14:51:13 <kendall> zakim, mute me
14:51:13 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
14:51:27 <DanC_lap> yeah, I get connected to zakim, Steve; then what? how do I enter the conference code?
14:51:31 <bijan> bijan has joined #dawg
14:51:39 <AndyS_scribe> Part of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005AprJun/0255.html
14:51:49 <SteveH> DanC_lap, click on the phone pad picture
14:51:59 <SteveH> (in Dial tab)
14:52:33 <DanC_lap> I tried the numbers in the dial tab; they don't seem to work
14:52:40 <SteveH> WFM
14:53:00 <ericP> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:53:00 <Zakim> agendum 5. "some comments" taken up [from ericP]
14:53:02 <SteveH> sorry, dont know skype that well
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14:53:35 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION DanC: noodle on uri() and str() issue from email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005AprJun/0239.html
14:53:38 <AndyS_scribe> Continues
14:53:52 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION: DanC to rethink the use/mention issue w.r.t Tim's email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005AprJun/0154.html
14:53:54 <patH> wave with cute smile
14:53:58 <AndyS_scribe> Continues
14:54:17 <Zakim> +PatH
14:54:31 <ericP> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:54:31 <Zakim> agendum 6. "issue wsdlAbstractProtocol" taken up [from ericP]
14:54:39 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION DanC: try splitting SparqlQuery interface into SparqlGraph and SparqlBindings
14:54:45 <AndyS_scribe> CONTINUES
14:55:12 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION: KendallC to ask WSD WG for clarification about HTTP binding of WSDL2, esp lists of URIs
14:55:34 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
14:55:34 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
14:55:57 <ericP> i probably did something else to deserve it
14:55:58 <bijan> PatH, have you seen http://www.inf.unibz.it/%7Efranconi/papers/ppswr-04.pdf
14:56:18 <kendall> ACTION: KendallC to finish HTTP bindings.
14:56:24 <AndyS_scribe> Withdraw 17
14:56:33 <AndyS_scribe> Replaced by 18
14:57:29 <DanC_lap> er... ericp, is this meeting a whole series of noops? I wonder if there's anything we can close today
14:57:47 <patH> bijan, no I hadnt. But I have now.
14:58:17 <AndyS_scribe> Discussion on SOAP with a string for query => has two possibel result forms
14:58:22 <AndyS_scribe> graph or XML result set
14:58:42 <AndyS_scribe> KC : can have schema choice on out message
14:59:11 <AndyS_scribe> KC : has tested this
14:59:29 <AndyS_scribe> (relex?  XML Schema?)
14:59:35 <AndyS_scribe> (relaxNG?  XML Schema?)
14:59:42 <kendall> I haven't really "tested" it, I just believe that it's correct.
14:59:47 <AndyS_scribe> Ack
14:59:51 <kendall> :>
15:00:19 <AndyS_scribe> RelaxNG => an extension
15:00:46 <AndyS_scribe> Esp rel to RDF/XML in SOAP results
15:01:24 <AndyS_scribe> Trying to avoid doing with an "any tag" description
15:01:40 <ericP> DanC, would you like take over?
15:02:00 <kendall> I don't feel like this is really an issue, personally.
15:02:11 <AndyS_scribe> Bijan: Key: introducing arbitrary namespaces but keeping some control
15:04:14 <AndyS_scribe> KC: proof by deployment wanted
15:05:02 <AndyS_scribe> KC: does not want to split the interface : simplifies one part but makes other parts more complex
15:05:08 <patH> subjunctively like? 
15:05:15 <ericP> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:05:15 <Zakim> agendum 7. "punctuationSyntax" taken up [from ericP]
15:06:18 <kendall> DanC_lap: I was just trying to speak for you; basically, that issue wsdlAbstractProtocol should remain open till we've seen a proposal from  you about splitting query (or you withdraw that action); and that we want to see a service deploy named-graph-uri. FYI.
15:06:51 <AndyS_scribe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005AprJun/0255.html
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15:08:33 <kendall> zakim, mute me
15:08:35 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
15:11:21 <AndyS_scribe> DanC (relayed from this AM): Formal vote next week for punctuation - people should raise explicit point (pref with test cases)
15:11:32 <AndyS_scribe> Eric asks about yacc-ness
15:12:02 <AndyS_scribe> Andy says: please would people with yacc-based systems check
15:12:26 <AndyS_scribe> No issues raised for the record at this meeting
15:13:20 <AndyS_scribe> Souri: do we support queries with indeterminate # edges on transitive properties
15:13:42 <AndyS_scribe> Bijan: can augment the KBase
15:14:17 <AndyS_scribe> Souri: so it is outside of SPARQL.
15:14:33 <AndyS_scribe> Bijan: some QLs do it but lets fix as-is for now
15:14:57 <AndyS_scribe> Sourei: Q: multiple reps of the same value: all same in SPARQL?
15:15:23 <AndyS_scribe> Souri:example: triples with int "10" and int "010"
15:15:37 <AndyS_scribe> Are these the same?
15:15:54 <AndyS_scribe> in a triple match
15:17:58 <AndyS_scribe> Eric: see section 11. pls
15:19:45 <ericP> Andy expressed DanC's desire to close the puntuationSyntax next week. Please review message 0255 and bring up any other issues that impact the grammar ASAP.
15:19:56 <AndyS_scribe> Andy: also d-entailment and graph match
15:20:42 <ericP> dacn, -5 lines
15:20:49 <ericP> danc, rather
15:20:58 <ericP> zakim, take up agendum 8
15:20:58 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Last Call schedule" taken up [from ericP]
15:21:12 <DanC_lap> well, yes, I'm inclined to close punctuationSyntax next week. Maybe you could do it this week?
15:21:36 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
15:21:36 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
15:21:53 <AndyS_scribe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005AprJun/0219.html
15:22:00 <DanC_lap> mr EricP-chair, care to straw poll? how many are ready to close punctuationSyntax today?
15:22:09 <ericP> danc, will do
15:22:38 <kendall> hmm, chairing by proxy kinda sucks. :>
15:22:40 <AndyS_scribe> AndyS: propose LC candidate to WG May 31 of the QL
15:23:45 <AndyS_scribe> KC: Candidate protocol draft 2 weeks after QL.
15:24:50 <Zakim> -SteveH
15:25:21 <Zakim> +??P0
15:25:29 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P0 is SteveH
15:25:29 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
15:27:38 <ericP> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:27:38 <Zakim> agendum 7. "punctuationSyntax" taken up [from ericP]
15:27:59 <AndyS_scribe> Discuss of things done rel to Dand (may 09) msg
15:28:03 <AndyS_scribe> Discuss of things done rel to DanC (may 09) msg
15:28:57 <ericP> +4
15:29:03 <AndyS_scribe> Straw poll on syntax
15:29:18 <SteveH> i abstain
15:29:25 <kendall> 2 abstains
15:29:31 <AndyS_scribe> 4 abstains
15:29:34 <ericP> 4 would abstains
15:29:56 <SteveH> yes, decide next week is fine
15:30:46 <AndyS_scribe> Andy to Kendall: which issues are most critical to you?
15:31:24 <ericP> my priority would be yacc-ability
15:31:32 <AndyS_scribe> need a yacc person
15:31:46 <AndyS_scribe> AndyS will rerun the LA check
15:32:03 <AndyS_scribe> Proposed to adjourn
15:32:15 <AndyS_scribe> seconded
15:32:18 <AndyS_scribe> ADJOURN
15:32:24 <Zakim> -Kendall_Clark
15:32:48 <Zakim> -HowardK
15:33:42 <Zakim> -Kevin
15:33:57 <KevinW> KevinW has left #DAWG
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15:41:26 <DanC_> Zakim, make logs world-access
15:41:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make logs world-access', DanC_
15:41:35 <DanC_> Zakim, make logs public-access
15:41:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make logs public-access', DanC_
15:42:01 <patH> logs/log ??
15:44:05 <AndyS_scribe> rrsagent?
15:48:20 <ericP> path, example of SQL translation in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/18-RDF-WWW2005/
15:50:02 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2003/11/01-RDF-SQL-tmp/notes
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15:55:43 <SteveH> Ive tried prodding nmg, but hes too busy
15:56:18 <SteveH> I still want it to come out, and am motivated
15:59:21 <Zakim> -PatH
16:01:15 <Zakim> -AndyS_scribe
16:02:19 <Zakim> -Souri
16:02:20 <Zakim> -SteveH
16:02:27 <Zakim> -EricP
16:02:37 <ericP> zakim, who is here?
16:02:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see [UMD]
16:02:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see DanC_AMS, bijan, RRSAgent, Zakim, SteveH, ericP, AndyS, DanC
16:02:57 <ericP> bijan? left it on speaker phone?
16:03:06 <ericP> zakim, please disconnect [UMD]
16:03:06 <Zakim> [UMD] is being disconnected
16:03:07 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended
16:03:08 <Zakim> Attendees were Kevin, Kendall_Clark, AndyS_scribe, EricP, HowardK, SteveH, Souri, [UMD], PatH
16:07:17 <SteveH> ericP, im off home, im see you tommorow, for whatever it was i said I'd do :)
16:07:26 <SteveH> SteveH has left #dawg
16:11:59 <ericP> tx
16:12:04 <ericP> (steve)
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16:19:41 <AndyS> rrsagent, please leave 
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> I see 18 open action items:
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AndyS to get tests/data/sort/query-sort-1.rq marked approved [1]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-42-25
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricP to pair with SteveH on making the HTML test results page [2]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-42-47
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DaveB to to propose source test to approve [3]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-42-47-1
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanC to follow up re optional test based on op:dateTime triple [4]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-42-47-2
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SteveH to prepare test cases for publication as WG Note (no [5]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-42-47-3
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AndyS to add the above graph test cases (analagous to [6]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-42-49
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricP to to publish http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rf1/ 1.25 [7]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-43-40
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KendallC to reword "the protocol must be preferred by a SPARQL query service", perhaps w.r.t. the WSDL interface [8]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-47-18
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricP to try out the "2 list of URIs" datasets design from <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0440.html> [9]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-47-29
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: 8 to done [10]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-47-55
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanC to send comment on non-use of <http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-datatypes> to schema comments list [11]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-48-58
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricP to propose a test re "x"^^mytype != "y"^^mytpe progress: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/#extendedType-eq-pass [12]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-49-14
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DaveB to work with EricP to clarify valueTesting proposal [13]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-49-14-1
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanC to noodle on uri() and str() issue from email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005AprJun/0239.html [14]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-53-35
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanC to rethink the use/mention issue w.r.t Tim's email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005AprJun/0154.html [15]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-53-52
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanC to try splitting SparqlQuery interface into SparqlGraph and SparqlBindings [16]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-54-39
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KendallC to ask WSD WG for clarification about HTTP binding of WSDL2, esp lists of URIs [17]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-55-12
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KendallC to finish HTTP bindings. [18]
16:19:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/24-dawg-irc#T14-56-18
16:19:50 <AndyS> zakim, please leave
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