IRC log of swbp on 2005-05-05

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16:57:13 [Ralph]: Meeting: SWBPD WG
16:57:16 [Zakim]: SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started
16:57:18 [Ralph]: Chair: Guus
16:57:23 [Zakim]: +??P1
16:57:23 [Ralph]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005May/0011.html
16:57:26 [Zakim]: +Andreas_Harth (was ??P1)
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16:57:48 [Zakim]: +Ralph
16:57:56 [Ralph]: Regrets: Wood, Carroll, Noy, McGuinness, McBride, Garshol, Govoni, Gangemi, McDaniel
16:58:05 [Ralph]: -> http://www.w3.org/2005/04/21-swbp-irc previous meeting 2005-04-21
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16:58:24 [Ralph]: rrsagent, please make logs world-visible
16:59:02 [Zakim]: +??P4
16:59:09 [Zakim]: + +33.1.60.12.aaaa
16:59:12 [Zakim]: +Alistair_Miles (was ??P4)
16:59:18 [Zakim]: +Alistair_Miles.a (was Alistair_Miles)
16:59:26 [Zakim]: - +33.1.60.12.aaaa
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16:59:35 [Ralph]: zakim, aaaa was Benjamin
16:59:35 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'aaaa was Benjamin', Ralph
17:00:07 [Ralph]: Benjamin: I will be attending by irc only unless I need to talk then will call back
17:00:57 [aliman]: zakim, mute alistair
17:00:57 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles.a should now be muted
17:01:59 [ChrisW]: ChrisW has joined #swbp
17:02:23 [Zakim]: +[IBM]
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17:02:41 [Ralph]: zakim, [IBM] has ChrisW, JeffP
17:02:41 [Zakim]: +ChrisW, JeffP; got it
17:02:48 [Zakim]: +Elisa_Kendall
17:03:17 [Zakim]: +Phil_Tetlow
17:04:26 [Ralph]: Chair: Ralph
17:04:35 [Ralph]: zakim, who's on the call?
17:04:35 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Andreas_Harth, Ralph, Alistair_Miles.a (muted), [IBM], Elisa_Kendall, Phil_Tetlow
17:04:35 [tbaker]: tbaker has joined #swbp
17:04:37 [Zakim]: [IBM] has ChrisW, JeffP
17:04:49 [Zakim]: +??P13
17:04:53 [Zakim]: +Tom_Baker (was ??P13)
17:05:25 [Zakim]: +DanBri
17:05:38 [Ralph]: Topic: Admin
17:05:55 [Ralph]: PROPOSED to accept http://www.w3.org/2005/04/21-swbp-irc as record of 21 April telecon
17:06:22 [PhilT]: PhilT has joined #swbp
17:06:27 [Zakim]: +??P14
17:06:46 [Ralph]: zakim, ??p14 is Mike_Uschold
17:06:46 [Zakim]: +Mike_Uschold; got it
17:07:53 [MikeU]: MikeU has joined #swbp
17:08:39 [Ralph]: ChrisW: let's wait on considering record of previous meeting
17:08:50 [Ralph]: Ralph: I offered to the scribe to turn the irc log into clear minutes
17:09:19 [Ralph]: PROPOSED next telecon 19 May
17:09:29 [Ralph]: so RESOLVED
17:09:52 [ChrisW]: zakim, who is here?
17:09:52 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Andreas_Harth, Ralph, Alistair_Miles.a (muted), [IBM], Elisa_Kendall, Phil_Tetlow, Tom_Baker, Redland, Mike_Uschold
17:09:54 [Zakim]: Redland has DanBri, Libby
17:09:55 [Zakim]: [IBM] has ChrisW, JeffP
17:09:56 [Zakim]: On IRC I see MikeU, PhilT, tbaker, libby, ChrisW, danbri, aharth, aliman, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ralph, BenjaminNguyen
17:10:06 [Ralph]: ACTION: Ralph add Note category to WG home page
17:10:41 [Ralph]: -- done
17:10:41 [Ralph]: -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35495/ftf2005/ straw poll on next f2f location
17:10:48 [tbaker]: not sure - will check...
17:10:54 [aliman]: me not contributed ...
17:11:31 [Ralph]: Topic: Liaisons
17:11:47 [Ralph]: httpRange-14
17:11:50 [Ralph]: ACTION: Chairs to discuss the httpRange-14 issue at
17:11:50 [Ralph]: the coordination level
17:12:08 [Ralph]: -- continues
17:12:20 [ekw]: ekw has joined #swbp
17:12:23 [Ralph]: XML Schema Last Call
17:12:31 [Ralph]: ACTION: jeremy post personal review to XSCD doc
17:12:35 [Ralph]: -- done
17:12:41 [Ralph]: ACTION: jeff to review XML schema LC draft
17:13:22 [Zakim]: +Evan_Wallace
17:13:44 [Ralph]: -- continues
17:14:46 [Ralph]: "The Last Call comment period is expected to end 26 April 2005. "
17:14:53 [Ralph]: Jeff: can we still send comments?
17:15:10 [Ralph]: Ralph: you can always send comments
17:15:35 [Ralph]: Jeff: I'll try to write comments next week
17:15:44 [Ralph]: ODM Review
17:16:03 [Ralph]: Elisa: I posted all feedback received to date
17:16:11 [Ralph]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0092.html [ODM] Summary of feedback on the ODM Revised Submission (2005-01-10 version)
17:16:22 [Ralph]: Elisa: all of this feedback has been posted on the ODM site also
17:16:38 [Ralph]: ... I need any additional feedback by middle of next week at the latest; we have a 30 May deadline for next revision
17:17:04 [aliman]: zakim, unmute alistair
17:17:04 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles.a should no longer be muted
17:17:28 [Ralph]: Topic: TF Updates
17:17:32 [Ralph]: PORT
17:17:38 [Ralph]: ACTION: Alistair to think about machine-readable change policies
17:17:49 [Ralph]: -- continued
17:18:01 [Ralph]: Alistair: need to have policies in human-readable form first :)
17:18:10 [aliman]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005May/0014.html
17:18:44 [Ralph]: PROPOSE to publish SKOS documents as First Public Working Draft
17:18:56 [Ralph]: Evan: second
17:19:03 [tbaker]: yes
17:19:08 [Ralph]: TomB: agree
17:19:34 [Ralph]: Chair: any objections?
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17:19:41 [Ralph]: so RESOLVED
17:20:04 [Ralph]: ACTION: Ralph help Alistair with publication process
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17:20:48 [Ralph]: s/process/process for SKOS documents/
17:20:52 [aliman]: http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/proposals
17:21:04 [Ralph]: Alistair: part of SKOS management process requires us to maintain a public link of proposed changes
17:22:28 [danbri]: (some dialog on the chairs and w3c-tools list... I'm not sure of state of the art)
17:22:45 [Ralph]: "exit" is one issues management tool used by several WGs
17:23:02 [danbri]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-tools/ "This list is for discussion of tools maintained by W3C, or by Working Froup members, which are intended to be useful in managing Working Group business."
17:24:05 [Ralph]: OEP
17:24:20 [Ralph]: Chris: not a lot of progress
17:24:25 [aliman]: zakim, mute Alistair
17:24:25 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles.a should now be muted
17:24:34 [Ralph]: ... final version of Specified Values note is awaiting work from me
17:24:40 [Ralph]: ACTION: Ralph re-ping ISI AC Rep
17:24:43 [Ralph]: -- done
17:24:58 [Ralph]: Chris: Jerry Hobbs finally appointed to the WG
17:25:16 [Ralph]: ... OWL Time is essentially written, so should be quick to get ready
17:25:35 [danbri]: (http://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Member/search?type-index=w3c-tools&index-type=t&keywords=exit&search=Search --- no results found, ralph)
17:26:25 [Ralph]: Mike: I finished a thorough read of n-ary values note
17:26:35 [Ralph]: ... got many comments to Natasha
17:26:56 [Ralph]: WordNet
17:27:12 [Ralph]: ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description
17:27:21 [aliman]: zakim, unmute alistair
17:27:21 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles.a should no longer be muted
17:27:26 [Ralph]: -- continues
17:27:35 [Ralph]: ACTION: alistair e-mail group about ISO contact
17:27:53 [Ralph]: Alistair: put TC37 contacts in irc already
17:27:59 [Ralph]: -- continues
17:28:11 [Ralph]: XML Schema datatypes
17:28:17 [Ralph]: ACTION: Ralph get XML Schema Datatype transition request unstuck
17:28:27 [Ralph]: -- done
17:28:28 [aliman]: zakim, mute alistair
17:28:28 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles.a should now be muted
17:28:31 [Ralph]: ACTION: jeremy polite reply to ashok setting expectations
17:28:47 [Ralph]: -- continues
17:29:24 [Ralph]: -- done
17:29:40 [tbaker]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005May/0030.html
17:29:40 [Ralph]: Vocabulary Management
17:30:41 [Ralph]: Tom: Alistair has proposed a streamlined outline for a VM Note
17:30:49 [ekw]: JJC reply to Ashok at
17:30:57 [ekw]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0085.html
17:31:07 [Ralph]: ... we proposed to limit the scope to RDF vocabularies; e.g. Dublin Core, FOAF, and SKOS
17:31:22 [Ralph]: ... and not cover WordNet and Published Subjects
17:32:41 [Ralph]: ... propose a VM TF telecon on 12 May at SWBPD time (1700 UTC)
17:33:13 [aliman]: i'm ok with that time
17:33:59 [Ralph]: RDF-in-XHTML
17:34:17 [Ralph]: Ralph: telecon this week
17:35:07 [Ralph]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005May/0004.html HTML TF meeting record
17:37:59 [Ralph]: ACTION: DanBri help write an rdf schema for the additional xhtml2
17:37:59 [Ralph]: namespace elements
17:38:38 [Ralph]: DanBri: I'm still awaiting a public Working Draft before I write this
17:38:38 [Ralph]: -- continues
17:38:49 [Ralph]: DanBri: I would like to know the namespace for the RDF/A vocabulary
17:38:56 [Ralph]: ... what happens to these triples?
17:39:02 [Ralph]: ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have
17:39:02 [Ralph]: use cases
17:39:16 [Ralph]: -- continues
17:39:50 [Ralph]: Tom: I will have to reconstruct mail I sent regarding GRDDL on behalf of the Dublin Core community
17:40:05 [Ralph]: ... Guus says he saw it
17:40:51 [Ralph]: ... generally, the reaction was "gee that could be nice" but there was not a strong reaction either way
17:41:01 [Ralph]: ... got feedback from three people
17:42:15 [Ralph]: ADTF
17:42:25 [libby]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005May/0032.html
17:42:46 [Ralph]: Libby: no objections to current criteria proposal
17:42:58 [Ralph]: ... so we'll try it out
17:43:09 [Ralph]: ... Wiki page exists for DOAP files
17:43:19 [Ralph]: ... getting a lot of submissions of API
17:43:33 [Ralph]: ... these are not "colorful" -- do we need more colorful submission?
17:44:37 [Ralph]: Ralph: APIs are useful to developers but I'd like to see some flashy stuff good for demos
17:44:58 [Ralph]: ... things that can be run out of the box
17:45:35 [libby]: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebDOAPBulletinBoard
17:46:19 [Ralph]: Libby: I have created a couple of bookmarklets to help people quickly blog demos
17:46:34 [Ralph]: ... helpful if people put things on the mailing list as well
17:46:43 [Ralph]: RDFTM
17:46:54 [libby]: (see http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebBestPracticesTaskForceOnApplicationsAndDemos and ask me for help / passwords for the weblog)
17:47:14 [Ralph]: Tutorial Page:
17:47:20 [Ralph]: ACTION: Jeff to talk with Benjamin to propose a process for submission
17:47:20 [Ralph]: of FAQ questions
17:47:21 [Zakim]: + +33.1.60.12.aabb
17:47:34 [Ralph]: zakim, aabb is Benjamin
17:47:34 [Zakim]: +Benjamin; got it
17:47:50 [Ralph]: Benjamin: Jeff accepted my proposal
17:47:56 [BenjaminNguyen]: http://www-rocq.inria.fr/~bnguyen/swbpd-faq.ps
17:48:36 [Ralph]: Tom: can we have PDF please?
17:48:39 [Ralph]: Ralph: how about HTML?
17:48:52 [Ralph]: Benjamin: this is not the final version, please look at the content
17:48:57 [Ralph]: -- done
17:49:23 [Ralph]: SE TF
17:49:27 [Zakim]: -Benjamin
17:50:02 [Ralph]: Phil: several TF members have been busy [with other matters]
17:50:18 [Ralph]: ... expect to have some document for review in the next couple of weeks
17:50:32 [Ralph]: ... Jeff is helping
17:51:03 [Ralph]: Jeff: Elisa contributed some comments on a draft
17:51:27 [Ralph]: ... we need someone who is a domain expert from ASE to help us
17:51:43 [Ralph]: ... talking with Evan about an ISWC workshop
17:52:19 [Ralph]: ... talked with Chris about invited talks for workshop, Chris volunteered to solicit speakers from ASE
17:53:00 [Ralph]: ... we have a workshop Web site and will send a call for participation
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17:53:13 [Ralph]: Ralph: what is the connection between the workshop and this WG?
17:53:31 [Ralph]: Chris: the Workshop is a reason to do the work of the SE TF
17:53:42 [Ralph]: Phil: helps us focus on what the TF wants to do
17:54:47 [Ralph]: Ralph: does a document that does not cover ASE make no sense? can't you publish something useful without it?
17:54:56 [Ralph]: Phil: the sense is that it would be worthwhile to include ASE
17:55:10 [Ralph]: Chris: the TF is responding to a WG consensus that including ASE would be useful
17:55:37 [Ralph]: Evan: there is a fear that folk in the ASE community would feel we learned nothing from their experience
17:56:40 [Ralph]: Mike: there's no harm in publishing a note that is explicit about saying "there is a really important area that has not been covered and we think it should be covered"
17:57:59 [Ralph]: Phil: the TF may be being overly cautious as this could be a provocative area
17:58:53 [Ralph]: Ralph: it's useful to get some framework published and see if this attracts more participation
17:59:03 [Ralph]: Mike: it's also possible that there is no "best practice" yet in this area
17:59:37 [ekw]: SWESE Wkshp page:http://www.mel.nist.gov/msid/conferences/SWESE/
17:59:55 [ekw]: CFP will go out very soon
18:00:15 [Zakim]: -Mike_Uschold
18:00:18 [Ralph]: adjourned
18:00:21 [Zakim]: -Phil_Tetlow
18:00:23 [Zakim]: -Andreas_Harth
18:00:25 [Zakim]: -[IBM]
18:00:25 [aliman]: bye!
18:00:26 [Zakim]: -Elisa_Kendall
18:00:26 [BenjaminNguyen]: cheers all
18:00:30 [Zakim]: -Tom_Baker
18:00:34 [Zakim]: -Evan_Wallace
18:00:38 [Zakim]: -Alistair_Miles.a
18:00:42 [Zakim]: -Ralph
18:00:46 [Zakim]: -Redland
18:00:50 [Zakim]: SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended
18:00:54 [Zakim]: Attendees were Andreas_Harth, Ralph, +33.1.60.12.aaaa, Alistair_Miles, ChrisW, JeffP, Elisa_Kendall, Phil_Tetlow, Tom_Baker, DanBri, Libby, Mike_Uschold, Evan_Wallace,
18:00:59 [Zakim]: ... +33.1.60.12.aabb, Benjamin
19:57:08 [Ralph]: zakim, bye
19:57:09 [Zakim]: Zakim has left #swbp
19:57:27 [Ralph]: rrsagent, please draft minutes
19:57:27 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-minutes.html Ralph
19:57:44 [Ralph]: rrsagent, bye
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: I see 14 open action items:
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Ralph add Note category to WG home page [1]
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-10-06
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Chairs to discuss the httpRange-14 issue at [2]
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-11-50
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: jeremy post personal review to XSCD doc [3]
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-12-31
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: jeff to review XML schema LC draft [4]
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-12-41
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Alistair to think about machine-readable change policies [5]
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-17-38
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Ralph help Alistair with publication process [6]
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-20-04
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Ralph re-ping ISI AC Rep [7]
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-24-40
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description [8]
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-27-12
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: alistair e-mail group about ISO contact [9]
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-27-35
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Ralph get XML Schema Datatype transition request unstuck [10]
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-28-17
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: jeremy polite reply to ashok setting expectations [11]
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-28-31
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: DanBri help write an rdf schema for the additional xhtml2 [12]
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-37-59
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have [13]
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-39-02
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Jeff to talk with Benjamin to propose a process for submission [14]
19:57:44 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-47-20