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16:57:13 <Ralph> Meeting: SWBPD WG
16:57:16 <Zakim> SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started
16:57:18 <Ralph> Chair: Guus
16:57:23 <Zakim> +??P1
16:57:23 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005May/0011.html
16:57:26 <Zakim> +Andreas_Harth (was ??P1)
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16:57:48 <Zakim> +Ralph
16:57:56 <Ralph> Regrets: Wood, Carroll, Noy, McGuinness, McBride, Garshol, Govoni, Gangemi, McDaniel
16:58:05 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/04/21-swbp-irc previous meeting 2005-04-21
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16:58:24 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make logs world-visible
16:59:02 <Zakim> +??P4
16:59:09 <Zakim> + +33.1.60.12.aaaa
16:59:12 <Zakim> +Alistair_Miles (was ??P4)
16:59:18 <Zakim> +Alistair_Miles.a (was Alistair_Miles)
16:59:26 <Zakim> - +33.1.60.12.aaaa
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16:59:35 <Ralph> zakim, aaaa was Benjamin
16:59:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaaa was Benjamin', Ralph
17:00:07 <Ralph> Benjamin: I will be attending by irc only unless I need to talk then will call back
17:00:57 <aliman> zakim, mute alistair
17:00:57 <Zakim> Alistair_Miles.a should now be muted
17:01:59 <ChrisW> ChrisW has joined #swbp
17:02:23 <Zakim> +[IBM]
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17:02:41 <Ralph> zakim, [IBM] has ChrisW, JeffP
17:02:41 <Zakim> +ChrisW, JeffP; got it
17:02:48 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
17:03:17 <Zakim> +Phil_Tetlow
17:04:26 <Ralph> Chair: Ralph
17:04:35 <Ralph> zakim, who's on the call?
17:04:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andreas_Harth, Ralph, Alistair_Miles.a (muted), [IBM], Elisa_Kendall, Phil_Tetlow
17:04:35 <tbaker> tbaker has joined #swbp
17:04:37 <Zakim> [IBM] has ChrisW, JeffP
17:04:49 <Zakim> +??P13
17:04:53 <Zakim> +Tom_Baker (was ??P13)
17:05:25 <Zakim> +DanBri
17:05:38 <Ralph> Topic: Admin
17:05:55 <Ralph> PROPOSED to accept http://www.w3.org/2005/04/21-swbp-irc as record of 21 April telecon
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17:06:27 <Zakim> +??P14
17:06:46 <Ralph> zakim, ??p14 is Mike_Uschold
17:06:46 <Zakim> +Mike_Uschold; got it
17:07:53 <MikeU> MikeU has joined #swbp
17:08:39 <Ralph> ChrisW: let's wait on considering record of previous meeting
17:08:50 <Ralph> Ralph: I offered to the scribe to turn the irc log into clear minutes
17:09:19 <Ralph> PROPOSED next telecon 19 May
17:09:29 <Ralph> so RESOLVED
17:09:52 <ChrisW> zakim, who is here?
17:09:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andreas_Harth, Ralph, Alistair_Miles.a (muted), [IBM], Elisa_Kendall, Phil_Tetlow, Tom_Baker, Redland, Mike_Uschold
17:09:54 <Zakim> Redland has DanBri, Libby
17:09:55 <Zakim> [IBM] has ChrisW, JeffP
17:09:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see MikeU, PhilT, tbaker, libby, ChrisW, danbri, aharth, aliman, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ralph, BenjaminNguyen
17:10:06 <Ralph> ACTION: Ralph add Note category to WG home page
17:10:41 <Ralph> -- done
17:10:41 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35495/ftf2005/ straw poll on next f2f location
17:10:48 <tbaker> not sure -  will check...
17:10:54 <aliman> me not contributed ...
17:11:31 <Ralph> Topic: Liaisons
17:11:47 <Ralph> httpRange-14
17:11:50 <Ralph> ACTION: Chairs to discuss the httpRange-14 issue at
17:11:50 <Ralph>      the coordination level
17:12:08 <Ralph> -- continues
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17:12:23 <Ralph> XML Schema Last Call
17:12:31 <Ralph> ACTION: jeremy post personal review to XSCD doc
17:12:35 <Ralph> -- done
17:12:41 <Ralph>  ACTION: jeff to review XML schema LC draft
17:13:22 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
17:13:44 <Ralph> -- continues
17:14:46 <Ralph> "The Last Call comment period is expected to end 26 April 2005. "
17:14:53 <Ralph> Jeff: can we still send comments?
17:15:10 <Ralph> Ralph: you can always send comments
17:15:35 <Ralph> Jeff: I'll try to write comments next week
17:15:44 <Ralph> ODM Review
17:16:03 <Ralph> Elisa: I posted all feedback received to date
17:16:11 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0092.html [ODM] Summary of feedback on the ODM Revised Submission (2005-01-10 version)
17:16:22 <Ralph> Elisa: all of this feedback has been posted on the ODM site also
17:16:38 <Ralph> ... I need any additional feedback by middle of next week at the latest; we have a 30 May deadline for next revision
17:17:04 <aliman> zakim, unmute alistair
17:17:04 <Zakim> Alistair_Miles.a should no longer be muted
17:17:28 <Ralph> Topic: TF Updates
17:17:32 <Ralph> PORT
17:17:38 <Ralph> ACTION: Alistair to think about machine-readable change policies
17:17:49 <Ralph> -- continued
17:18:01 <Ralph> Alistair: need to  have policies in human-readable form first :)
17:18:10 <aliman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005May/0014.html
17:18:44 <Ralph> PROPOSE to publish SKOS documents as First Public Working Draft
17:18:56 <Ralph> Evan: second
17:19:03 <tbaker> yes
17:19:08 <Ralph> TomB: agree
17:19:34 <Ralph> Chair: any objections?
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17:19:41 <Ralph> so RESOLVED
17:20:04 <Ralph> ACTION: Ralph help Alistair with publication process
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17:20:48 <Ralph> s/process/process for SKOS documents/
17:20:52 <aliman> http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/proposals
17:21:04 <Ralph> Alistair: part of SKOS management process requires us to maintain a public link of proposed changes
17:22:28 <danbri> (some dialog on the chairs and w3c-tools list... I'm not sure of state of the art)
17:22:45 <Ralph> "exit" is one issues management tool used by several WGs
17:23:02 <danbri> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-tools/ "This list is for discussion of tools maintained by W3C, or by Working Froup members, which are intended to be useful in managing Working Group business."
17:24:05 <Ralph> OEP
17:24:20 <Ralph> Chris: not a lot of progress
17:24:25 <aliman> zakim, mute Alistair
17:24:25 <Zakim> Alistair_Miles.a should now be muted
17:24:34 <Ralph> ... final version of Specified Values note is awaiting work from me
17:24:40 <Ralph> ACTION: Ralph re-ping ISI AC Rep
17:24:43 <Ralph> -- done
17:24:58 <Ralph> Chris: Jerry Hobbs finally appointed to the WG
17:25:16 <Ralph> ... OWL Time is essentially written, so should be quick to get ready
17:25:35 <danbri> (http://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Member/search?type-index=w3c-tools&index-type=t&keywords=exit&search=Search --- no results found, ralph)
17:26:25 <Ralph> Mike: I finished a thorough read of n-ary values note
17:26:35 <Ralph> ... got many comments to Natasha
17:26:56 <Ralph> WordNet
17:27:12 <Ralph>  ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description
17:27:21 <aliman> zakim, unmute alistair
17:27:21 <Zakim> Alistair_Miles.a should no longer be muted
17:27:26 <Ralph> -- continues
17:27:35 <Ralph> ACTION: alistair e-mail group about ISO contact
17:27:53 <Ralph> Alistair: put TC37 contacts in irc already
17:27:59 <Ralph> -- continues
17:28:11 <Ralph> XML Schema datatypes
17:28:17 <Ralph> ACTION: Ralph get XML Schema Datatype transition request unstuck
17:28:27 <Ralph> -- done
17:28:28 <aliman> zakim, mute alistair
17:28:28 <Zakim> Alistair_Miles.a should now be muted
17:28:31 <Ralph> ACTION: jeremy polite reply to ashok setting expectations
17:28:47 <Ralph> -- continues
17:29:24 <Ralph> -- done
17:29:40 <tbaker> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005May/0030.html
17:29:40 <Ralph> Vocabulary Management
17:30:41 <Ralph> Tom: Alistair has proposed a streamlined outline for a VM Note
17:30:49 <ekw> JJC reply to Ashok at 
17:30:57 <ekw> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0085.html
17:31:07 <Ralph> ... we proposed to limit the scope to RDF vocabularies; e.g. Dublin Core, FOAF, and SKOS
17:31:22 <Ralph> ... and not cover WordNet and Published Subjects
17:32:41 <Ralph> ... propose a VM TF telecon on 12 May at SWBPD time (1700 UTC)
17:33:13 <aliman> i'm ok with that time
17:33:59 <Ralph> RDF-in-XHTML
17:34:17 <Ralph> Ralph: telecon this week
17:35:07 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005May/0004.html HTML TF meeting record
17:37:59 <Ralph> ACTION: DanBri help write an rdf schema for the additional xhtml2
17:37:59 <Ralph>      namespace elements
17:38:38 <Ralph> DanBri: I'm still awaiting a public Working Draft before I write this
17:38:38 <Ralph> -- continues
17:38:49 <Ralph> DanBri: I would like to know the namespace for the RDF/A vocabulary
17:38:56 <Ralph> ... what happens to these triples?
17:39:02 <Ralph> ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have
17:39:02 <Ralph>      use cases
17:39:16 <Ralph> -- continues
17:39:50 <Ralph> Tom: I will have to reconstruct mail I sent regarding GRDDL on behalf of the Dublin Core community
17:40:05 <Ralph> ... Guus says he saw it
17:40:51 <Ralph> ... generally, the reaction was "gee that could be nice" but there was not a strong reaction either way
17:41:01 <Ralph> ... got feedback from three people
17:42:15 <Ralph> ADTF
17:42:25 <libby> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005May/0032.html
17:42:46 <Ralph> Libby: no objections to current criteria proposal
17:42:58 <Ralph> ... so we'll try it out
17:43:09 <Ralph> ... Wiki page exists for DOAP files
17:43:19 <Ralph> ... getting a lot of submissions of API
17:43:33 <Ralph> ... these are not "colorful" -- do we need more colorful submission?
17:44:37 <Ralph> Ralph: APIs are useful to developers but I'd like to see some flashy stuff good for demos
17:44:58 <Ralph> ... things that can be run out of the box
17:45:35 <libby>  http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebDOAPBulletinBoard
17:46:19 <Ralph> Libby: I have created a couple of bookmarklets to help people quickly blog demos
17:46:34 <Ralph> ... helpful if people put things on the mailing list as well
17:46:43 <Ralph> RDFTM
17:46:54 <libby> (see http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebBestPracticesTaskForceOnApplicationsAndDemos and ask me for help / passwords for the weblog)
17:47:14 <Ralph> Tutorial Page:
17:47:20 <Ralph> ACTION: Jeff to talk with Benjamin to propose a process for submission
17:47:20 <Ralph>      of FAQ questions
17:47:21 <Zakim> + +33.1.60.12.aabb
17:47:34 <Ralph> zakim, aabb is Benjamin
17:47:34 <Zakim> +Benjamin; got it
17:47:50 <Ralph> Benjamin: Jeff accepted my proposal
17:47:56 <BenjaminNguyen> http://www-rocq.inria.fr/~bnguyen/swbpd-faq.ps
17:48:36 <Ralph> Tom: can we have PDF please?
17:48:39 <Ralph> Ralph: how about HTML?
17:48:52 <Ralph> Benjamin: this is not the final version, please look at the content
17:48:57 <Ralph> -- done
17:49:23 <Ralph> SE TF
17:49:27 <Zakim> -Benjamin
17:50:02 <Ralph> Phil: several TF members have been busy [with other matters]
17:50:18 <Ralph> ... expect to have some document for review in the next couple of weeks
17:50:32 <Ralph> ... Jeff is helping
17:51:03 <Ralph> Jeff: Elisa contributed some comments on a draft
17:51:27 <Ralph> ... we need someone who is a domain expert from ASE to help us
17:51:43 <Ralph> ... talking with Evan about an ISWC workshop
17:52:19 <Ralph> ... talked with Chris about invited talks for workshop, Chris volunteered to solicit speakers from ASE
17:53:00 <Ralph> ... we have a workshop Web site and will send a call for participation
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17:53:13 <Ralph> Ralph: what is the connection between the workshop and this WG?
17:53:31 <Ralph> Chris: the Workshop is a reason to do the work of the SE TF
17:53:42 <Ralph> Phil: helps us focus on what the TF wants to do
17:54:47 <Ralph> Ralph: does a document that does not cover ASE make no sense?  can't you publish something useful without it?
17:54:56 <Ralph> Phil: the sense is that it would be worthwhile to include ASE
17:55:10 <Ralph> Chris: the TF is responding to a WG consensus that including ASE would be useful
17:55:37 <Ralph> Evan: there is a fear that folk in the ASE community would feel we learned nothing from their experience
17:56:40 <Ralph> Mike: there's no harm in publishing a note that is explicit about saying "there is a really important area that has not been covered and we think it should be covered"
17:57:59 <Ralph> Phil: the TF may be being overly cautious as this could be a provocative area
17:58:53 <Ralph> Ralph: it's useful to get some framework published and see if this attracts more participation
17:59:03 <Ralph> Mike: it's also possible that there is no "best practice" yet in this area
17:59:37 <ekw> SWESE Wkshp page:http://www.mel.nist.gov/msid/conferences/SWESE/
17:59:55 <ekw> CFP will go out very soon
18:00:15 <Zakim> -Mike_Uschold
18:00:18 <Ralph> adjourned
18:00:21 <Zakim> -Phil_Tetlow
18:00:23 <Zakim> -Andreas_Harth
18:00:25 <Zakim> -[IBM]
18:00:25 <aliman> bye!
18:00:26 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
18:00:26 <BenjaminNguyen> cheers all
18:00:30 <Zakim> -Tom_Baker
18:00:34 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
18:00:38 <Zakim> -Alistair_Miles.a
18:00:42 <Zakim> -Ralph
18:00:46 <Zakim> -Redland
18:00:50 <Zakim> SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended
18:00:54 <Zakim> Attendees were Andreas_Harth, Ralph, +33.1.60.12.aaaa, Alistair_Miles, ChrisW, JeffP, Elisa_Kendall, Phil_Tetlow, Tom_Baker, DanBri, Libby, Mike_Uschold, Evan_Wallace,
18:00:59 <Zakim> ... +33.1.60.12.aabb, Benjamin
19:57:08 <Ralph> zakim, bye
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19:57:27 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
19:57:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-minutes.html Ralph
19:57:44 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
19:57:44 <RRSAgent> I see 14 open action items:
19:57:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph add Note category to WG home page [1]
19:57:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-10-06
19:57:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chairs to discuss the httpRange-14 issue at [2]
19:57:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-11-50
19:57:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeremy post personal review to XSCD doc [3]
19:57:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-12-31
19:57:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeff to review XML schema LC draft [4]
19:57:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-12-41
19:57:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alistair to think about machine-readable change policies [5]
19:57:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-17-38
19:57:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph help Alistair with publication process [6]
19:57:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-20-04
19:57:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph re-ping ISI AC Rep [7]
19:57:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-24-40
19:57:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description [8]
19:57:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-27-12
19:57:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: alistair e-mail group about ISO contact [9]
19:57:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-27-35
19:57:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph get XML Schema Datatype transition request unstuck [10]
19:57:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-28-17
19:57:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeremy polite reply to ashok setting expectations [11]
19:57:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-28-31
19:57:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanBri help write an rdf schema for the additional xhtml2 [12]
19:57:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-37-59
19:57:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have [13]
19:57:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-39-02
19:57:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeff to talk with Benjamin to propose a process for submission [14]
19:57:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/05-swbp-irc#T17-47-20