01:07:24 RRSAgent has joined #ua 01:07:25 logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/04/12-ua-irc 01:07:35 rrsagent, make log world 01:07:44 scribe: mcmay 01:07:56 Topic: Meeting times 01:08:22 jg: Should we schedule a regular time for this meeting? 01:08:33 cl: Mondays are better for me. 01:08:46 jl: Tuesday ok. 01:08:53 jg: Assume we want to meet once per month? 01:09:06 pk: Seems we don't have enough important material to meet more often than that. 01:09:11 jg: First Monday of every month? 01:10:05 kyle: First Monday of May is Chinese holiday 01:10:12 jg: Can meet May 9. 01:11:37 Topic: Mozilla Accessibility Extension 01:11:47 jg: We've added table navigation to the Moz accessibility extension. 01:11:51 http://cita.disability.uiuc.edu/software/mozilla 01:12:57 jg: Looking at mapping roadmap document into HTML 4.01 space. 01:13:30 jg: Considering linking role element to link element. Link goes into head. 01:13:48 jg: Using title attrib of link element, can give a description to inform what that element is for. 01:14:04 jg: Can use href to point to id of object you want to associate. 01:14:25 jg: Shows up under navigation, table of contents. Looks for link elements and allows people to link to those. 01:14:50 http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/software/mozilla/version_history.html 01:15:33 jg: Role attributes are displayed similarly to how they will be in XHTML 2. 01:16:04 pk: Still using dialog boxes, not accesskey? 01:16:08 jg: Right. 01:17:01 jg: Still working on direct keyboard shortcuts. 01:17:27 cl: When you say activate, are you activating the link? 01:17:47 jg: There are some interesting behaviors, between platforms. Goal is to move focus and not activate anything. 01:18:02 http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/presentations/2005-03-css-tutorial/example/career-redesign-links.html 01:21:29 jg: We moved navigation up to a main menu selection, so it's a 2-keystroke thing. 01:22:03 kyle: Shortcuts work in Unix. 01:24:31 cl: How are you separating layout from data tables? 01:24:38 jg: Data tables have to have a TH element. 01:25:18 kyle: Why doesn't accessibility menu have accelerator key? 01:25:21 jg: That's a bug. 01:25:45 kyle: There's a menu item to expand ABBR menu, missing from menu. 01:25:50 jg: Another bug. 01:26:00 kyle: Why does nav menu appear twice? 01:26:13 jg: Probably doesn't need to be under acc. menu. 01:28:33 http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/mozilla/ts-test-page-text.html 01:29:49 http://www-306.ibm.com/able/guidelines/web/webtableheaders.html 01:32:32 cl: WCAG is trying to recommend a combination of TH and summary attrib. I don't think they're using caption. 01:33:28 http://www-306.ibm.com/able/solution_offerings/hpr4help.html 01:33:41 Has captions and TH 01:34:02 jg: Intention with the extension is to get web developers to notice that if their tables don't appear in table mode, they have to do something. 01:38:26 pk: If we can give users what they're asking for through the extension, would be better. 01:38:48 cl: Mnemonic nav is a good feature. 01:39:53 pk: Wonder if there is a way to introduce a combination of C code and script to offer keystrokes to a given extension. Then can delegate to the extension. 01:40:05 cl: Could do it using JavaScript onkeydown or XUL. 01:40:28 jg: I think Aaron said there's a place to put an alternative keyboard handler. 01:43:04 jg: Insight on how Javascript processes keystrokes? 01:43:46 kyle: May be able to move from one DOM object to another, but can't move caret char by char. 01:43:56 pk: Can you have JavaScript in an extension? 01:44:12 kyle: Yes. JS can control keystroke. 01:44:22 pk: And can install that in Mozilla extension? 01:44:35 kyle: JavaScript component can control it. Not sure about extension. 01:44:44 kyle: Need to copy file into JS component dir. 01:47:52 pk: Feedback we've received is that everything must be user-configurable. But choose one default and start with that. 01:50:15 http://dpreview.com/ 01:50:20 for events 01:55:41 dwatt@uiuc.edu 01:56:42 pk: Direct access will need to be in there before it gets widely used. 01:58:59 cl: Is caret browsing in the Sun version of Mozilla going into the trunk soon? 01:58:59 k 01:59:00 kyle: Already finished 80%. There are still bugs. 01:59:07 cl: Can pick up in Mozilla and Firefox? 01:59:10 kyle: Yes. 01:59:23 pk: Will have to wait for Firefox 1.1, because it's in head. 01:59:29 -Peter_Korn 01:59:30 rrsagent, draft minutes 01:59:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/04/12-ua-minutes.html mcmay 01:59:42 -Matt 01:59:42 -Jessie 01:59:42 -Jon 01:59:42 -Cathy_Laws 01:59:42 WAI_UAWG()9:00PM has ended 01:59:42 Attendees were Cathy_Laws, Matt, Peter_Korn, Jon, Jessie 02:00:30 Present: Jon Kyle Jessie Peter Cathy Matt 02:00:35 Chair: Jon 02:00:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 02:00:43 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/04/12-ua-minutes.html mcmay 02:01:08 zakim, bye 02:01:08 Zakim has left #ua 02:01:12 rrsagent, bye 02:01:12 I see no action items