IRC log of dawg on 2005-03-08

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14:29:19 [RRSAgent]
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logging to
14:29:47 [Zakim]
14:29:56 [AndyS]
zakim, ??P9 is AndyS
14:29:56 [Zakim]
+AndyS; got it
14:30:04 [ericP]
agenda + Convene, take roll, review records and agenda
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agenda + Requirements/Use Cases
14:30:27 [ericP]
agenda + SPARQL protocol spec, Service Descriptions
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agenda + Service Descriptions
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agenda + SPARQL QL
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agenda + issue: punctuationSyntax (turtle, N3, ...)
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agenda + test suite maintenance
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agenda + SPARQL result set spec
14:33:15 [Zakim]
+ +44.238.055.aaaa
14:33:38 [kendall]
zakim, who's here
14:33:38 [Zakim]
kendall, you need to end that query with '?'
14:33:40 [SteveH]
zakim, aaaa is SteveH
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+SteveH; got it
14:33:41 [kendall]
zakim, who's here?
14:33:41 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, Kevin, EricP, AndyS, SteveH
14:33:42 [Zakim]
On IRC I see RRSAgent, KevinW, Zakim, AndyS, kendall, SteveH, DaveB, afs, ericP, DanC
14:34:08 [ericP]
regrets: DaveB, HowardK, Hiroyuki, DanC
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14:35:02 [kendall]
ciao alberto!
14:35:15 [ericP]
hi alberto, will you be calling in?
14:35:15 [Zakim]
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14:38:36 [ericP]
zakim, next agendum
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agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda" taken up [from ericP]
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "Requirements/Use Cases" taken up [from ericP]
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14:39:37 [ericP]
zakim, ??P12 is JosD
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+JosD; got it
14:40:19 [kendall]
zakim, next agendum
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agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda" taken up [from ericP]
14:40:31 [ericP]
zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "SPARQL protocol spec, Service Descriptions" taken up [from ericP]
14:42:14 [ericP]
andy, re "get the whole graph": construct can emulate getGraph
14:42:16 [kendall]
CONSTRUCT * {?s ?p ?o}
14:42:55 [AndyS]
CONSTRUCT {?s ?p ?o} WHERE GRAPH <g> {?s ?p ?o}
14:44:34 [ericP]
... WSDL modularizes the interface. Large graph services may choose not to offer getGraph
14:45:07 [ericP]
ACTION KendallC: to refer to "get the whole graph" explanation from QL spec
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14:45:23 [ericP]
action -1
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "Service Descriptions" taken up [from ericP]
14:47:06 [ericP]
ACTION Bijan: to work on "closeOver" work-alike with SteveH
14:47:22 [ericP]
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action -2
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zakim, take up agendum 5
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agendum 5. "SPARQL QL" taken up [from ericP]
14:49:00 [ericP]
ACTION JosD: to review value testing section
14:49:29 [ericP]
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action -3
14:49:48 [kendall]
14:52:26 [kendall]
overlap between sparl's use of Fs&Os and Xquery's use of them
14:54:07 [ericP]
AndyS: Eric, JJC, Don Chamberlin, and I met to discuss xs:datatypes
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EricP: feedback, we are ging in the right direction
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zakim, take up agendum 7
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agendum 7. "test suite maintenance" taken up [from ericP]
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[all actions continued -- see ]
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zakim, take up agendum 6
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agendum 6. "issue: punctuationSyntax (turtle, N3, ...)" taken up [from ericP]
14:55:31 [kendall]
14:56:11 [kendall]
two issues...
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whether we switch from existing syntax to turtle+variables
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plus, some orthogonal issues about what to call matches/regexps/etc
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plus, andy's list question
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the case of freestanding lists
14:57:42 [kendall]
zakim, mute me
14:57:42 [Zakim]
Kendall_Clark should now be muted
14:57:44 [AndyS]
WHERE { ( ?x ) }
14:58:03 [kendall]
zakim, unmute me
14:58:03 [Zakim]
Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
14:59:19 [ericP]
AndyS: this form isn't particularly useful, and it's illegal in turtle.
15:00:17 [ericP]
EricP: given that we are defined by turtle, i think we keep it illegal
15:01:05 [ericP]
JoseD: raised on cwm-bugs. happy to make it illegal
15:01:15 [ericP]
15:01:24 [JosD]
15:01:44 [ericP]
AndyS: we don't say what happens when things go wrong.
15:02:02 [JosD]
15:02:05 [ericP]
XML specifies that no further processing happen after an error
15:02:59 [ericP]
SteveH: are FILTERs in the graph pattern part of the proposal?
15:03:06 [ericP]
EricP: no
15:03:36 [AndyS]
zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:36 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, Kevin, EricP, AndyS, SteveH, AlbertoR, JosD
15:06:42 [ericP]
AlbertoR: have talked about in previous f2fs
15:07:01 [ericP]
... SQL-like syntax was welcomed by developers
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... people are already impelementing SPARQL
15:07:31 [ericP]
... changing again is not a good message
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... on other side: i see benifits
15:08:08 [ericP]
... is turtle/n3 sufficient? can we re-use a parser?
15:08:22 [ericP]
AndyS: you can re-use an N3 parser
15:08:45 [ericP]
KendallC: seems like graph pattern was the least SQL-like part of the old syntax
15:08:46 [AndyS]
Reuse _parts of_ an N3 parser (I did!)
15:09:02 [ericP]
AlbertoR: agreed.
15:09:37 [ericP]
... worried about people thinking about collections and bNodes
15:10:14 [ericP]
SteveH: agree with Alberto. RDQL syntax is consistent
15:10:54 [ericP]
putting the question: adopt the turtle+variables syntax
15:11:26 [ericP]
putting the question: adopt the turtle+variables syntax (cf. )
15:12:24 [ericP]
no objections
15:12:48 [ericP]
2 abstentions: SteveH, AlbertoR
15:13:11 [ericP]
RESOLVED in favor
15:15:08 [ericP]
ACTION: SteveH to update the tests to relect the new syntax
15:15:58 [ericP]
AndyS: I'm working on a re-writer tool. SteveH, do you want to use it?
15:15:58 [kendall]
some talk of a tool to rewrite queries from old to new syntax
15:16:14 [ericP]
SteveH: yes. I won't get around this week.
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15:16:55 [kendall]
oh, ericp, will you do the ordinary thing re: minutes and logs?
15:17:08 [ericP]
kendall, will do
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15:18:45 [ericP] now public
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rrsagent, stop logging