14:29:19 RRSAgent has joined #dawg 14:29:19 logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/03/08-dawg-irc 14:29:47 +??P9 14:29:56 zakim, ??P9 is AndyS 14:29:56 +AndyS; got it 14:30:04 agenda + Convene, take roll, review records and agenda 14:30:17 agenda + Requirements/Use Cases 14:30:27 agenda + SPARQL protocol spec, Service Descriptions 14:30:34 agenda + Service Descriptions 14:30:41 agenda + SPARQL QL 14:30:50 agenda + issue: punctuationSyntax (turtle, N3, ...) 14:31:00 agenda + test suite maintenance 14:31:10 agenda + SPARQL result set spec 14:33:15 + +44.238.055.aaaa 14:33:38 zakim, who's here 14:33:38 kendall, you need to end that query with '?' 14:33:40 zakim, aaaa is SteveH 14:33:40 +SteveH; got it 14:33:41 zakim, who's here? 14:33:41 On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, Kevin, EricP, AndyS, SteveH 14:33:42 On IRC I see RRSAgent, KevinW, Zakim, AndyS, kendall, SteveH, DaveB, afs, ericP, DanC 14:34:08 regrets: DaveB, HowardK, Hiroyuki, DanC 14:34:53 AlbertoR has joined #dawg 14:35:02 ciao alberto! 14:35:15 hi alberto, will you be calling in? 14:35:15 +AlbertoR 14:36:04 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0251.html 14:38:36 zakim, next agendum 14:38:36 agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda" taken up [from ericP] 14:38:40 JosD has joined #dawg 14:38:49 zakim, take up agendum 2 14:38:49 agendum 2. "Requirements/Use Cases" taken up [from ericP] 14:38:52 +??P12 14:39:37 zakim, ??P12 is JosD 14:39:37 +JosD; got it 14:40:19 zakim, next agendum 14:40:19 agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda" taken up [from ericP] 14:40:31 zakim, take up agendum 3 14:40:31 agendum 3. "SPARQL protocol spec, Service Descriptions" taken up [from ericP] 14:42:14 andy, re "get the whole graph": construct can emulate getGraph 14:42:16 CONSTRUCT * {?s ?p ?o} 14:42:55 CONSTRUCT {?s ?p ?o} WHERE GRAPH {?s ?p ?o} 14:44:34 ... WSDL modularizes the interface. Large graph services may choose not to offer getGraph 14:45:07 ACTION KendallC: to refer to "get the whole graph" explanation from QL spec 14:45:16 DROPPED 14:45:23 action -1 14:46:12 zakim, take up agendum 4 14:46:12 agendum 4. "Service Descriptions" taken up [from ericP] 14:47:06 ACTION Bijan: to work on "closeOver" work-alike with SteveH 14:47:22 pointer? 14:47:56 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/thread.html#255 14:48:07 DROPPED 14:48:13 action -2 14:48:23 zakim, take up agendum 5 14:48:23 agendum 5. "SPARQL QL" taken up [from ericP] 14:49:00 ACTION JosD: to review value testing section 14:49:29 DONE 14:49:35 action -3 14:49:48 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0269.html 14:52:26 overlap between sparl's use of Fs&Os and Xquery's use of them 14:54:07 AndyS: Eric, JJC, Don Chamberlin, and I met to discuss xs:datatypes 14:54:22 EricP: feedback, we are ging in the right direction 14:54:29 zakim, take up agendum 7 14:54:29 agendum 7. "test suite maintenance" taken up [from ericP] 14:55:06 [all actions continued -- see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0251.html ] 14:55:22 zakim, take up agendum 6 14:55:22 agendum 6. "issue: punctuationSyntax (turtle, N3, ...)" taken up [from ericP] 14:55:31 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/thread.html#227 14:56:11 two issues... 14:56:29 whether we switch from existing syntax to turtle+variables 14:56:39 plus, some orthogonal issues about what to call matches/regexps/etc 14:56:48 plus, andy's list question 14:57:29 the case of freestanding lists 14:57:42 zakim, mute me 14:57:42 Kendall_Clark should now be muted 14:57:44 WHERE { ( ?x ) } 14:58:03 zakim, unmute me 14:58:03 Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted 14:59:19 AndyS: this form isn't particularly useful, and it's illegal in turtle. 15:00:17 EricP: given that we are defined by turtle, i think we keep it illegal 15:01:05 JoseD: raised on cwm-bugs. happy to make it illegal 15:01:15 s/JoseD/JosD/ 15:01:24 :) 15:01:44 AndyS: we don't say what happens when things go wrong. 15:02:02 true 15:02:05 XML specifies that no further processing happen after an error 15:02:59 SteveH: are FILTERs in the graph pattern part of the proposal? 15:03:06 EricP: no 15:03:36 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:03:36 On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, Kevin, EricP, AndyS, SteveH, AlbertoR, JosD 15:06:42 AlbertoR: have talked about in previous f2fs 15:07:01 ... SQL-like syntax was welcomed by developers 15:07:20 ... people are already impelementing SPARQL 15:07:31 ... changing again is not a good message 15:07:40 ... on other side: i see benifits 15:08:08 ... is turtle/n3 sufficient? can we re-use a parser? 15:08:22 AndyS: you can re-use an N3 parser 15:08:45 KendallC: seems like graph pattern was the least SQL-like part of the old syntax 15:08:46 Reuse _parts of_ an N3 parser (I did!) 15:09:02 AlbertoR: agreed. 15:09:37 ... worried about people thinking about collections and bNodes 15:10:14 SteveH: agree with Alberto. RDQL syntax is consistent 15:10:54 putting the question: adopt the turtle+variables syntax 15:11:26 putting the question: adopt the turtle+variables syntax (cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/thread.html#227 ) 15:12:24 no objections 15:12:48 2 abstentions: SteveH, AlbertoR 15:13:11 RESOLVED in favor 15:15:08 ACTION: SteveH to update the tests to relect the new syntax 15:15:58 AndyS: I'm working on a re-writer tool. SteveH, do you want to use it? 15:15:58 some talk of a tool to rewrite queries from old to new syntax 15:16:14 SteveH: yes. I won't get around this week. 15:16:38 -Kendall_Clark 15:16:39 -JosD 15:16:39 Adjourned 15:16:40 -AlbertoR 15:16:42 -Kevin 15:16:43 KevinW has left #dawg 15:16:43 -SteveH 15:16:48 ADJOURNED 15:16:55 oh, ericp, will you do the ordinary thing re: minutes and logs? 15:17:08 kendall, will do 15:17:14 thx 15:18:45 http://www.w3.org/2005/03/08-dawg-irc now public 15:18:49 rrsagent, stop logging