IRC log of dawg on 2005-02-28
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-dawg-irc
- 18:34:04 [DanC_]
- Zakim, this will be dawg
- 18:34:04 [Zakim]
- ok, DanC_; I see SW_DAWG(TP)2:00PM scheduled to start in 26 minutes
- 18:34:12 [DanC_]
- agenda + Convene, take roll, review records and agenda http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ftf5-bos.html#agenda
- 18:34:28 [DanC_]
- agenda + issue: nestedOptionals
- 18:34:39 [DanC_]
- agenda + f2f6 proposals
- 18:35:44 [DanC_]
- agenda + test suite maintenance
- 18:35:55 [DanC_]
- agenda + valueTesting
- 18:36:02 [DanC_]
- agenda + XSCH review
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- 18:45:10 [Yoshio]
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- 18:45:17 [Yoshio]
- hi all
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- 18:50:59 [DanC_]
- Amy? I don't see OlympiaC in http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/dialout.php3
- 18:51:05 [amy]
- hi
- 18:51:50 [Zakim]
- SW_DAWG(TP)2:00PM has now started
- 18:51:52 [Zakim]
- +OlympiaC
- 18:52:25 [amy]
- C, yes, ok good
- 18:52:38 [amy]
- np
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- bye
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- 19:00:57 [DanC_]
- Zakim, take up agendum 1
- 19:00:57 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ftf5-bos.html#agenda" taken up [from DanC_]
- 19:01:16 [kendall]
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- 19:01:21 [kendall]
- we're convened
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- participants:
- 19:01:40 [kendall]
- * Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org> (W3C/MIT) : attending monday, tuesday
- 19:01:41 [kendall]
- * Yoshio Fukushige <fuku@w3.org> (Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. (MEI)) : attending monday, tuesday
- 19:01:44 [kendall]
- * Hiroyuki Sato <sato.hiroyuki@lab.ntt.co.jp> (Nippon Telegraph & Telephone Corp. (NTT)) : attending monday, tuesday
- 19:01:47 [kendall]
- * Andy Seaborne <andy.seaborne@hp.com> (Hewlett Packard Company) : attending monday, tuesday
- 19:01:51 [kendall]
- * Stephen Harris <swh@ecs.soton.ac.uk> (Southampton, University of) : attending monday, tuesday
- 19:01:54 [kendall]
- * Kendall Clark <kendall@monkeyfist.com> (Maryland Information and Network Dynamics Lab at the University of Maryland) : attending monday, tuesday
- 19:01:58 [kendall]
- * Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org> (W3C/MIT) : attending monday, tuesday
- 19:02:00 [kendall]
- * Jos De Roo <jos.deroo@agfa.com> (Agfa-Gevaert N. V.) : attending monday, tuesday
- 19:02:03 [kendall]
- Plus:
- 19:02:06 [kendall]
- some observers:
- 19:02:14 [Yoshio]
- regrets for 8th meeting
- 19:02:23 [DanC_]
- ACTION DaveB: to consider use of xsi:dataType ala comment from Steer
- 19:02:37 [tlr]
- Thomas Roessler
- 19:02:40 [kendall]
- Ivan Herman, Jacek K.,
- 19:02:56 [DaveB]
- I can dialin for a bit. But that action continues...
- 19:03:05 [kendall]
- hi dave!
- 19:03:07 [ivan]
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- 19:03:10 [DanC_]
- agenda?
- 19:03:19 [kendall]
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- 19:03:47 [DaveB]
- hi kendall
- 19:03:56 [kendall]
- observer: Danny Weitzner
- 19:03:57 [DanC_]
- Zakim, close agendum 1
- 19:03:57 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 closed
- 19:03:58 [Zakim]
- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 19:03:59 [Zakim]
- 2. issue: nestedOptionals [from DanC_]
- 19:04:02 [DanC_]
- Zakim, next agendum
- 19:04:03 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "issue: nestedOptionals" taken up [from DanC_]
- 19:05:21 [kendall]
- [what's the latest re: nestedOptionals? latest QL draft 5.5. Been implemented and folks seem happy with it.]
- 19:05:56 [kendall]
- SteveH has same objections. "It's existence is unacceptable."
- 19:06:32 [kendall]
- DaveB has another proposal involving a side condition on the grammar.
- 19:07:10 [kendall]
- DaveB suggested making it not possible to *write* nested optionals, even though they'd still be possible semantically.
- 19:07:55 [kendall]
- SteveH fine with the DaveB proposal to "hide" nested optionals by disallowing them syntactically.
- 19:10:04 [kendall]
- debate about the relative merits of diff implementation strategies to implement nested optionals
- 19:11:36 [kendall]
- how much more difficult are these queries to write if you can't write nested optionals?
- 19:12:16 [ivan]
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- 19:15:26 [ericP]
- from [[
- 19:15:27 [ericP]
- OPTIONAL { ( ?x vcard:N ?vc )
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- ( ?vc vcard:Given ?gname )
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- OPTIONAL ( ?vc vcard:Family ?fname ) }
- 19:15:30 [ericP]
- ]]
- 19:16:04 [kendall]
- Hmm, so we seem to agree that to write the equivalent query, you'll have to repeat some graph patterns
- 19:16:11 [ericP]
- to [[
- 19:16:13 [ericP]
- OPTIONAL { ( ?x vcard:N ?vc )
- 19:16:13 [ericP]
- ( ?vc vcard:Given ?gname ) }
- 19:16:13 [ericP]
- OPTIONAL { ( ?x vcard:N ?vc )
- 19:16:13 [ericP]
- ( ?vc vcard:Given ?gname )
- 19:16:16 [ericP]
- ( ?vc vcard:Family ?fname ) }
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- 19:16:18 [ericP]
- ]]
- 19:21:16 [Yoshio]
- is it that whether lack of appearence of B in the result means the failure of B or not?
- 19:24:04 [kendall]
- Jos suggests that in his system implementing nested optional (or just optional?) is difficult.
- 19:24:45 [SteveH]
- just optional
- 19:25:44 [kendall]
- debate about the value or advisability of making open or closed world assumption
- 19:28:25 [kendall]
- i think there are unshared views about the implications of OWA
- 19:29:35 [kendall]
- eric and jos discuss altenate implementation strategies (translating sparql into n3, then filtering results... or something)
- 19:32:24 [kendall]
- Jos:
- 19:32:39 [kendall]
- A optional B has 2 interpretations:
- 19:32:47 [kendall]
- 1. A & (B v True)
- 19:32:53 [kendall]
- which creates unhelpful solutions
- 19:33:04 [kendall]
- 2. A & (B v ~B)
- 19:33:18 [kendall]
- which, if i follow, implies some closed world assumption, but works
- 19:33:38 [kendall]
- for jos
- 19:34:35 [Yoshio]
- so absence of B in the result means, in the 2nd interpretation, the failure of B?
- 19:35:04 [kendall]
- danc suggests making the parts of QL that involve CWAs more explicit
- 19:35:17 [kendall]
- ACTION: AndyS to clarify 5.4 w/r/t closed world assumption
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- 19:36:05 [kendall]
- back to *nested* optionals
- 19:39:34 [Yoshio]
- my concern is that the restriction on the use of the variable names is complicated...
- 19:42:22 [Yoshio]
- I have to write
- 19:42:33 [Yoshio]
- SELECT ?a ?b ?c
- 19:42:52 [Yoshio]
- WHERE OPTIONAL (?a foo ?b)
- 19:43:07 [Yoshio]
- OPTIONAL (?a bar ?c)
- 19:43:30 [Yoshio]
- enen when all I want to know is ?a and the other sole thing
- 19:44:11 [SteveH]
- SELECT ?a ?b OPTIONAL (?a ?p ?b) AND ?p=<foo> || ?p=<bar>
- 19:45:30 [AndyS]
- Drop OPTIONAL (they were only there to structure the first appraoch)
- 19:46:01 [DanC_]
- leaving... SELECT ?a ?b WHERE (?a ?p ?b) AND ?p=<foo> || ?p=<bar>
- 19:51:29 [Yoshio]
- hmm,,, I got inclined to draw my concern back... I can't tell which OPTIONAL is met without distinguishing ?b and ?c
- 19:53:25 [Yoshio]
- there should be many situations where I wnat to konw which
- 19:53:51 [kendall]
- ACTION: danc resume discussion of nestedOptionals
- 19:54:18 [DanC_]
- Zakim, close this agendum
- 19:54:18 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 closed
- 19:54:19 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 19:54:21 [Zakim]
- 3. f2f6 proposals [from DanC_]
- 20:04:48 [DanC_]
- inconclusive data
- 20:05:48 [DanC_]
- how many to www2005? -JD +AS ~KC +YK +HS +EP +SH -DC
- 20:06:22 [patH]
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- 20:06:22 [DanC_]
- inconclusive data re amsterdam, southampton, florida, bristol offers
- 20:06:39 [patH]
- Hey, are we on the phone? What number?
- 20:06:40 [DanC_]
- Pat, where should we meet next? 1/2 ;-)
- 20:06:46 [DanC_]
- Zakim, passcode?
- 20:06:46 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), DanC_
- 20:07:16 [Zakim]
- +PatH
- 20:07:43 [Yoshio]
- WWW2005 is 10-14 May
- 20:08:22 [DanC_]
- www2005 ~-PH
- 20:09:57 [Yoshio]
- oh Dan is NOT coming... we should give up the hosting idea then...
- 20:09:59 [DanC_]
- Zakim, agenda?
- 20:09:59 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
- 20:10:00 [Zakim]
- 3. f2f6 proposals [from DanC_]
- 20:10:01 [Zakim]
- 4. test suite maintenance [from DanC_]
- 20:10:02 [Zakim]
- 5. valueTesting [from DanC_]
- 20:10:04 [Zakim]
- 6. XSCH review [from DanC_]
- 20:10:23 [DanC_]
- (then resume tomorrow with other stuff)
- 20:11:28 [DanC_]
- Zakim, next agendum
- 20:11:28 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "f2f6 proposals" taken up [from DanC_]
- 20:11:34 [DanC_]
- Zakim, close item 3
- 20:11:34 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 closed
- 20:11:35 [kendall]
- A one day meeting before (or after?) WWW05 got some interest.
- 20:11:35 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 20:11:37 [Zakim]
- 4. test suite maintenance [from DanC_]
- 20:11:41 [DanC_]
- Zakim, take up agendum 4
- 20:11:41 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "test suite maintenance" taken up [from DanC_]
- 20:12:13 [kendall]
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- 20:13:55 [DanC_]
- SELECT ?PG WHERE ?PG =~ "http://www.w3.org/". # pls add this test case
- 20:14:08 [kendall]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/
- 20:14:37 [DanC_]
- SELECT ?PG WHERE ?PG dc:creator ?anybody AND ?PG =~ "http://www.w3.org/". # pls add this test case
- 20:14:54 [DanC_]
- should NOT match { <http://www.w3.org/"> dc:creator "anybody" }
- 20:15:33 [kendall]
- steve's action hereabouts continued
- 20:15:57 [kendall]
- (daveb's action re: xsi:datatype also continued earlier, in case that didn't get scribed)
- 20:16:04 [AndyS]
- Ivan - http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/
- 20:16:23 [Yoshio]
- how about (?u stringmatches: "http://www.w3.org/*) (?PG log;uri ?u)
- 20:17:50 [kendall]
- (continued: ACTION: SteveH to to propose tests for str() and =~)
- 20:18:11 [kendall]
- ACTION: SteveH buy Andy a beer!
- 20:18:33 [tlr]
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- 20:19:53 [AndyS]
- GRAPH tests: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/source-named/untrusted-graph*.rq
- 20:20:03 [kendall]
- has PatH swapped in the new named graph stuff?
- 20:20:23 [AndyS]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#rdfDataset
- 20:20:33 [kendall]
- (keyword renaming... -sigh-)
- 20:22:39 [DanC_]
- (PatH finds the relevant tests, with andy's help)
- 20:23:33 [kendall]
- DanC withdraws suggesting formal defintions for SOURCE
- 20:24:00 [DanC_]
- (break 'till 3:40p Boston)
- 20:24:00 [Zakim]
- -PatH
- 20:39:12 [DanC_]
- agenda + SPARQL punctuation syntax (turtle, N3, ...)
- 20:40:34 [DanC_]
- agenda?
- 20:41:47 [timbl]
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- 20:42:06 [ericP]
- ping pat
- 20:42:45 [patH]
- hi guys. We back?
- 20:42:46 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-dawg-irc#T20-42-45
- 20:42:50 [ericP]
- yup
- 20:43:00 [Zakim]
- +PatH
- 20:43:20 [ericP]
- can you hear dan well (enough)?
- 20:43:42 [patH]
- just about.
- 20:44:47 [ericP]
- [mutterings while looking for a particuarl test]
- 20:44:50 [AndyS]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/source-named/manifest.n3
- 20:47:32 [timbl]
- "requires a ton of my tools to build it"
- 20:48:46 [ericP]
- ACTION: EricP to pair with SteveH on making the HTML test results page
- 20:49:40 [DanC_]
- Zakim, next agendum
- 20:49:40 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "valueTesting" taken up [from DanC_]
- 20:53:05 [ericP]
- walking through http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/ExprEquals/query-eq-1.rq
- 20:54:25 [ericP]
- evaluated against http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/ExprEquals/query-eq-1.rq
- 20:54:35 [timbl]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/ExprEquals
- 20:54:41 [timbl]
- is the directory
- 20:54:44 [ericP]
- evaluated against http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/ExprEquals/data-eq.ttl
- 20:55:45 [ericP]
- ivan: the parsers i use read "1" as 1
- 20:57:51 [ericP]
- [kendall warns that RDF/XML treatment of datatypes is broken]
- 20:58:41 [ericP]
- walking through http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/ExprEquals/query-eq2-1.rq
- 20:59:50 [patH]
- Pat protests that it may be ugly, but its not broken.
- 21:00:09 [kendall]
- no
- 21:00:23 [kendall]
- i warned that *rdflib* has no real typed literal support -- v. different issue
- 21:00:34 [ericP]
- equivlence test that can bind to one of several operators
- 21:00:41 [ericP]
- (answering yoshio)
- 21:01:22 [patH]
- Echo Yoshio. We seem to be using '=' for several differnt things.
- 21:02:01 [ericP]
- see
- 21:02:01 [DanC_]
- SELECT ... AND ?p = dc1:title || ?p = dc2:title
- 21:02:09 [Yoshio]
- is it different from "=="?
- 21:02:10 [DanC_]
- also, users expect 1 = 1.0
- 21:02:23 [ericP]
- XPath overloading of the operators defined in http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery/#mapping
- 21:03:12 [DanC_]
- ack timbl
- 21:03:22 [timbl]
- q+ to suggest for every = test case to make a test case with graph match
- 21:04:15 [timbl]
- q-
- 21:04:49 [ericP]
- tim: re-use the investment in value equiv test cases by copying them to graph test cases
- 21:05:10 [ericP]
- eg
- 21:05:11 [ericP]
- (?x1 :p ?v1 )
- 21:05:11 [ericP]
- (?x2 :p ?v2 )
- 21:05:11 [ericP]
- AND ?v1 = ?v2
- 21:05:16 [ericP]
- goes to
- 21:05:27 [ericP]
- (?x1 :p ?v)
- 21:05:27 [patH]
- +q about entailing.
- 21:05:39 [ericP]
- (?x2 :p ?v)
- 21:05:41 [ericP]
- .
- 21:05:52 [Yoshio]
- q+ to ask if it is not "==" we are talikng about
- 21:06:11 [patH]
- Q+
- 21:06:38 [ericP]
- ACTION: Andy to add the above graph test cases
- 21:06:41 [DanC_]
- ack yoshio
- 21:06:41 [Zakim]
- Yoshio, you wanted to ask if it is not "==" we are talikng about
- 21:13:39 [DanC_]
- SELECT ... WHERE (?exp :results ?x. ?exp2 :results ?y) AND ?x != ?y #@@@
- 21:13:42 [ericP]
- DanC: we don't have a spec that exactly matches the editor's understanding (cf. the == and eq in section 11)
- 21:14:13 [AndyS]
- SELECT ... WHERE (?exp :results ?x) (?exp2 :results ?y) AND ?x != ?y
- 21:14:14 [DanC_]
- against { exp1 result "1/1"^^rational. exp2 result "2/2"^^rational)
- 21:15:19 [DanC_]
- ericp: the != will fail.
- 21:15:20 [DanC_]
- timbl: good
- 21:15:56 [DanC_]
- andys: or is it fn:not(?x = ?y) ?
- 21:17:15 [ericP]
- http://unagi/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#StandardOperations
- 21:17:31 [ericP]
- [[ Expressions generating errors cause the solution to be rejected (not to match). ]]
- 21:19:27 [DanC_]
- Andy convinces DanC (and EricP? and others?) that the != will turn into not( ... = ...) and yield true
- 21:20:27 [ericP]
- SteveH: propose "when you call the = op on datatypes that you don't understand, it fails"
- 21:21:26 [DanC_]
- ack path
- 21:22:47 [timbl]
- q+ to mention need for warning levels when people have asked weird things such as type mismatches, e.g. comparing "wednesday" = 2.
- 21:22:50 [timbl]
- q-
- 21:22:52 [DanC_]
- ack jos
- 21:25:37 [timbl]
- q+ to suggest a appendix of places where the semantics of the operator differ from the F&O spec.
- 21:25:50 [DanC_]
- "abc"^^integer
- 21:26:46 [ericP]
- ammend SteveH's proposal with first checking if the two are literally the same and the same integer
- 21:27:01 [ericP]
- s/integer/datatype/
- 21:27:03 [DanC_]
- REQUEST FOR TESTCASE: input data has "abc"^^integer
- 21:28:42 [DanC_]
- "10"^^byte = "10"^^integer?
- 21:29:51 [DanC_]
- "10"^^long = "10"^^integer
- 21:29:52 [DanC_]
- ?
- 21:30:33 [DanC_]
- "10"^^nonnegative = "10"^^integer?
- 21:30:45 [DanC_]
- REQUEST FOR TESTCASE
- 21:32:32 [DanC_]
- AndyS: for example, OWL uses nonnegativeinteger for cardianlity constraints
- 21:32:37 [DanC_]
- EricP seems convinced
- 21:32:42 [ericP]
- sadly so
- 21:33:06 [ivan]
- q+
- 21:33:36 [DanC_]
- ACTION EricP: propose to close valueTesting (bonus points for test cases, to EricP or others)
- 21:34:57 [DanC_]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-mt/#DTYPEINTERP
- 21:37:14 [DanC_]
- Zakim, next agendum
- 21:37:14 [Zakim]
- agendum 6. "XSCH review" taken up [from DanC_]
- 21:37:52 [DanC_]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/XSCH/xsch-sw-20050127/
- 21:38:11 [ericP]
- jacek: i would expect a W3C RDF query language to support all the XML schema datatypes and all of OWL
- 21:38:26 [ericP]
- patH: what does it mean to "support"?
- 21:39:29 [ericP]
- DanC: this sounds like requirements. take up in hallway discussion?
- 21:41:21 [SteveH]
- DaveB, observer, from DERI
- 21:41:48 [DaveB]
- I laughed when I read supporting all XSD and all owl.
- 21:42:12 [SteveH]
- yes, "laughed" ;)
- 21:50:57 [DanC_]
- Zakim, take up agendum 6
- 21:50:57 [Zakim]
- agendum 6. "XSCH review" taken up [from DanC_]
- 21:51:03 [patH]
- Hey, Im listening to a lovely exposition here.
- 21:51:20 [kendall]
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- 21:52:29 [DanC_]
- ericp's action is withdrawn
- 21:52:42 [DanC_]
- Zakim, next agendum
- 21:52:42 [Zakim]
- agendum 7. "SPARQL punctuation syntax (turtle, N3, ...)" taken up [from DanC_]
- 21:53:42 [DanC_]
- DanC: since this wasn't on the agenda at T-2 weeks, I won't put any questions formally
- 21:57:34 [patH]
- q+ what exactly is meant here by N3? Is it just hte basic style of graph syntax used in N3?
- 21:58:38 [DanC_]
- EricP: but I don't argue to use { ... } as a term
- 21:59:19 [patH]
- the phone is dropping out very freqently. Can yall turn up the mike?
- 21:59:34 [DanC_]
- ack path
- 21:59:47 [ivan]
- ivan-
- 21:59:55 [DanC_]
- see examples from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ftf4.html#item18
- 22:00:05 [ivan]
- q-
- 22:00:14 [ericP]
- turtle+variabels = turtle (with ',' and ';') + vars (eg ?x)
- 22:00:18 [timbl]
- q-\
- 22:00:22 [timbl]
- q-
- 22:01:17 [patH]
- Im happy with the N3 style as descrbed there. BUt Im also happy with turtle style.
- 22:02:11 [kendall]
- well, we've liberally changed keywords at just about every f2f, including helsinki, and that was only a month ago. :>
- 22:02:25 [patH]
- +kendall
- 22:02:39 [patH]
- Don't we all, Zakim
- 22:02:46 [kendall]
- hey! :>
- 22:02:57 [DanC_]
- timbl: for example S
- 22:03:11 [patH]
- example S??
- 22:03:24 [DanC_]
- timbl: for example SELECT ?who WHERE ?who :brother [ in Army ], :mother [ in Navy].
- 22:04:42 [kendall]
- a bnode in a graph pattern is == to an unused variable in a select or construct clause
- 22:04:45 [DanC_]
- andy: is that like ... ?who :brother ?notUsedElsewhere1. ?notUsedElsewhere1 in Army ...
- 22:04:45 [DanC_]
- yes
- 22:04:59 [kendall]
- s/==/equivalent to/
- 22:05:22 [DanC_]
- Jos: in turtle, one can write :bob :brothers ( :pete :sam).
- 22:05:30 [ericP]
- turtle+variabels = turtle (with ',' and ';' and '()') + vars (eg ?x)
- 22:06:03 [DanC_]
- ... which suggests SELECT ?who WHERE ?who :borthers (:pete :sam).
- 22:06:40 [timbl]
- ; , . () [] ?x
- 22:07:21 [patH]
- that's a pretty god transcription of what it sounds like on the phone, Tim
- 22:07:22 [JosD]
- see also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0111.html
- 22:08:28 [ericP]
- Yoshio, widely distributed, I believe the only implementations are from AndyS, DaveB and myself.
- 22:08:46 [DanC_]
- SteveH: my users are mostly folks dumping databases into RDF/XML
- 22:08:46 [ericP]
- and perhaps Ivan
- 22:09:04 [DanC_]
- SteveH: I support turtle input and noone uses it
- 22:11:32 [patH]
- DO we have to choose one?
- 22:11:57 [kendall]
- we don't if/when we have an xml exchange syntax for sparql
- 22:12:14 [kendall]
- just map any old surface/user syntax into it, and send *that* to the server
- 22:14:30 [patH]
- That makes sense, indeed. XML to the rescue once again?
- 22:15:02 [kendall]
- well, you can then do neato schema web services stuff. that's gonna help adoption in areas where SW has little presently.
- 22:15:04 [AndyS]
- We need at least one common syntax for encoding into a protocol for web use
- 22:17:15 [patH]
- Maybe the issue is how the results get sent back. We need an XML for that too.
- 22:17:38 [kendall]
- we have one for that, pat :>
- 22:18:38 [patH]
- Just testing.
- 22:19:37 [patH]
- I have to leave shortly. Don't do anything serious while Im gone.
- 22:19:44 [kendall]
- never!
- 22:25:45 [timbl]
- (([A-Z_a-z\u00c0-\u00d6\u00d8-\u00f6\u00f8-\u02ff\u0370-\u037d\u037f-\u1fff\u200c-\u200d\u2070-\u218f\u2c00-\u2fef\u3001-\ud7ff\uf900-\ufdcf\ufdf0-\ufffd\U00010000-\U000effff][\\-0-9A-Z_a-z\u00b7\u00c0-\u00d6\u00d8-\u00f6\u00f8-\u037d\u037f-\u1fff\u200c-\u200d\u203f-\u2040\u2070-\u218f\u2c00-\u2fef\u3001-\ud7ff\uf900-\ufdcf\ufdf0-\ufffd\U00010000-\U000effff]*)?:)?[A-Z_a-z\u00c0-\u00d6\u00d8-\u00f6\u00f8-\u02ff\u0370-\u037d\u037f-\u1fff\u200c-\u200d\u2070-\u218f\u2c
- 22:26:04 [timbl]
- qname in n3.n3
- 22:27:40 [AndyS]
- ?? Dot is UTF-8 002E
- 22:27:58 [Yoshio]
- doesn't "." in qname in N3 mean a path expression?
- 22:28:27 [patH]
- is that really ((...)?:)?... ?? SO the : is optional?
- 22:30:24 [Yoshio]
- q+ to ask if "." in qname in N3 means a path expression
- 22:31:21 [DanC_]
- WHERE { GRAPH ?g { ?g dc:source myPartOfUriSpace:foo.rdf } } # sh, ar like this
- 22:32:23 [Yoshio]
- q-
- 22:33:07 [patH]
- Bye.
- 22:33:19 [Zakim]
- -PatH
- 22:35:20 [timbl]
- .BadSyntax: Line 5 of <file:/devel/WWW/2000/10/swap/test/syntax/trailing-dot-in-qname.n3>: Bad syntax (expected directive or statement) at ^ in:
- 22:35:23 [timbl]
- "...foo: <http://example.com/>.
- 22:35:25 [timbl]
- foo:fred foo:loves foo:sushi. ^.
- 22:36:28 [timbl]
- Bad syntax (EOF found in middle of path syntax) at ^ in:
- 22:36:29 [timbl]
- "# DAWG meeting 2005-2-28
- 22:36:29 [timbl]
- #
- 22:36:29 [timbl]
- @prefix foo: <http://example.com/>.
- 22:36:30 [timbl]
- foo:fred foo:loves foo:sushi.food .
- 22:36:32 [timbl]
- ^..."
- 22:38:20 [Zakim]
- disconnecting the lone participant, OlympiaC, in SW_DAWG(TP)2:00PM
- 22:38:22 [Zakim]
- SW_DAWG(TP)2:00PM has ended
- 22:38:24 [Zakim]
- Attendees were OlympiaC, PatH
- 22:58:33 [timbl]
- WHERE joe age [ > 5 ]
- 22:58:49 [timbl]
- WHERE { joe age [ > 5 ] }
- 23:00:57 [DanC_]
- agenda?
- 23:03:16 [DanC_]
- ACTION EricP: propose results of N3 syntax discussion to DAWG
- 23:03:21 [DanC_]
- (based on mail from danc)
- 23:04:05 [DanC_]
- RECESS 'till 8:30am, with ericp in the scribe
- 23:13:55 [DanC_]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 23:13:55 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/02/28-dawg-minutes DanC_
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