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14:28:25 <howardk> morning all
14:28:31 <Yoshio> evening
14:28:32 <Zakim> +Kevin
14:28:46 <Zakim> +??P3
14:28:48 <DaveB> DanC: AndyS and I are at HP
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14:29:22 <DanC> Zakim, ??P0 is HP
14:29:22 <Zakim> I already had ??P0 as AndyS+DaveB, DanC
14:29:37 <DanC> Zakim, AndyS+DaveB is HP
14:29:37 <Zakim> +HP; got it
14:29:43 <DanC> Zakim, HP holds AndyS, DaveB
14:29:43 <Zakim> +AndyS, DaveB; got it
14:29:54 <Zakim> +DanC
14:30:05 <Zakim> +Kendall_Clark
14:30:15 <Zakim> +NickG
14:30:24 <SteveH> Zakim, NickG is SteveH
14:30:24 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
14:30:58 <DanC> Zakim, take up agendum 1
14:30:58 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0186.html" taken up [from DanC]
14:31:04 <DanC> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:31:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see HP, Yoshio, HowardK, Kevin, ??P3, DanC, Kendall_Clark, SteveH
14:31:07 <Zakim> HP has AndyS, DaveB
14:31:33 <HiroyukiS> P3 is me
14:31:35 <kendall> is the "s" in "sparql" "simple" or  "sparql"?
14:31:38 <DanC> Zakim, ??P3 is HiroyukiS 
14:31:38 <Zakim> +HiroyukiS; got it
14:32:07 <Zakim> +PatH
14:32:19 <howardk> it's sparql (what's diff between 1st and last Kendall?)
14:32:33 <patH> patH has joined #dawg
14:32:49 <ericP> zakim, please dial ericP-617
14:32:49 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:32:50 <Zakim> +EricP
14:32:52 <kendall> yoshio: hehe
14:32:52 <DanC> Minutes of DAWG 2005-02-15 telcon for review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0133.html
14:32:56 <Zakim> -EricP
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14:33:09 <ericP> zakim, please dial ericP-617
14:33:09 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:33:11 <Zakim> +EricP
14:33:23 <howardk> minutes accepted as amended
14:33:39 <Zakim> +??P7
14:33:45 <Yoshio> well, I was absent on 15 (sick in bed)
14:33:54 <DanC> Zakim, ??P7 is AlbertoR
14:33:55 <Zakim> +AlbertoR; got it
14:34:27 <DanC> ammendment2: Yoshio Fukushige not at 15 Feb telcon
14:34:40 <Yoshio> thank you
14:34:42 <DanC> agenda + ftf6
14:35:16 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
14:35:16 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ftf5 Feb 28-1Mar in Cambridge, MA, USA" taken up [from DanC]
14:35:30 <DanC> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ftf5-bos.html#agenda ftf5 agenda
14:35:39 <howardk> actions 1: all continued except Steve's
14:36:27 <DanC> hm... http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/interest/meetings/tp2005.html $Revision: 1.53 $ of $Date: 2005/02/22 16:26:13 $ by $Author: swick $
14:37:22 <howardk> ftf5: kendall to scribe
14:38:48 <afs> Boston->CET is 6 hours
14:39:13 <DanC> Zakim, close this agendum
14:39:13 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
14:39:14 <howardk> dan has requested same phone #
14:39:15 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:39:17 <Zakim> 3. SPARQL QL publication [from DanC]
14:39:47 <DanC> Zakim, take up agendum 8
14:39:47 <Zakim> agendum 8. "ftf6" taken up [from DanC]
14:40:02 <DanC> ->http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0197.html steve's offer to host
14:41:04 <JosD> JosD has joined #dawg
14:41:06 <DanC> PatH: european SemWeb thing is 1Jun and prev 3 days
14:41:10 <afs> http://www.eswc2005.org/
14:41:25 <Zakim> +JosD
14:41:27 <howardk> ftf6: asemantics offer 19-20 may
14:41:57 <howardk> pat to put offer in writing
14:42:06 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:42:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see HP, Yoshio, HowardK, Kevin, HiroyukiS, DanC, Kendall_Clark, SteveH, PatH, EricP, AlbertoR, JosD
14:42:09 <Zakim> HP has AndyS, DaveB
14:43:14 <DanC> Yoshio: pls co-locate ftf meeting with other events
14:43:20 <howardk> yoshio: prefers adjacent to another conference
14:43:31 <howardk> kevin: no pref
14:43:34 <howardk> howard: no pref
14:43:37 <howardk> hiro: no pref
14:43:53 <howardk> danc: hoping to go to xtech amsterdam
14:44:03 <howardk> kendall: not much of a pref
14:44:12 <howardk> steve: prefers later
14:44:18 <howardk> plus offers to host
14:44:23 <howardk> pat offered as well
14:44:39 <howardk> doesn't mind if elsewhere tho
14:44:52 <howardk> eric: co-locate w/ xtech would be nice
14:45:04 <howardk> jos: same as alberto
14:45:54 <AlbertoR> alberto: prefers Europe for f2f 6th either Southumpton (or Leiden)
14:46:14 <howardk> andy: being in Japan 1 week before Leiden would be toughish
14:46:26 <howardk> dave: also going to japan
14:46:29 <kendall> hmm, there's a good chance I'll be in Japan too, actually.
14:47:22 <howardk> danc: would like to celebrate candidate rec in June
14:47:40 <DanC> (get there in Apr, celebrate May/Jun)
14:48:35 <howardk> danc: can we decide in cambridge?
14:48:49 <DanC> so danc's action continues; the rest are done.
14:48:58 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
14:48:58 <Zakim> agendum 3. "SPARQL QL publication" taken up [from DanC]
14:49:16 <howardk> and much happiness all around
14:50:19 <howardk> eric: operators depending on operand type still a bit unclear
14:50:41 <howardk> whoops: I missed what was a bit controversial eric?
14:51:02 <DaveB> EBV
14:51:09 <DaveB> from XQuery F&O
14:51:19 <howardk> thank you
14:51:27 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
14:51:27 <Zakim> agendum 4. "SPARQL result set" taken up [from DanC]
14:51:33 <DaveB> DanC mentioned query pubbed around cvs version 1.224/1.225
14:52:06 <howardk> daveb: action is done
14:52:37 <howardk> liam's suggest xsl group to review result set spec
14:52:58 <howardk> daveb: a few comments re attrs vs elements but not significant
14:53:43 <AlbertoR> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Feb/0005.html
14:54:12 <AlbertoR> Damian Steer
14:54:24 <howardk> daveb: mentions comment and recommendation on xsi:type
14:54:25 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Feb/0005.html Re: XML result format and datatypes
14:55:03 <DanC> ack danc
14:55:03 <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to note qname "fun"
14:55:22 <ericP> ouch
14:55:27 <howardk> danc: xsi:type takes qname, with accompanying issues
14:56:30 <howardk> danc: comment seems well motivated
14:57:07 <ericP> "1234"^^<http://...myCrazyScheme#thang>
14:57:38 <howardk> dave: can't turn all uri's into qnames
14:58:16 <howardk> eric: wsdl uri types are xpointers and end in lparens: can't become qnames
14:58:38 <DanC> (ericp, are those WSDL uris supposed to be URIs for datatypes? or URIs for datatype-related-syntactic-constructs?)
14:59:34 <howardk> dave will accept action to mull on this
14:59:52 <DanC> ACTION DaveB: consider use of xsi:dataType ala comment from Steer
14:59:59 <howardk> best practises doc discusses this issue
15:00:15 <ericP> <foo xmlns:foo="http://...myCrazyScheme#" xsi:datatype="foo:thang">1234</foo>
15:00:43 <howardk> daveb: wants to also think over yes/no in result set
15:01:07 <afs> Eric - that complicates things :-(
15:01:14 <ericP> orig datatype was http://...myCrazyScheme#thang. did we communicate that to XSD? or at least RDF people interpretting theXML data?
15:01:38 <patH> the best practices doc is http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/XSCH/xsch-sw-20050127/
15:02:29 <howardk> daveb: to review question of errors from protocol affecting result set
15:03:21 <howardk> malformed query to return defined error in result set ?
15:03:51 <DanC> (hmm... HTTP error codes seem exactly right for the "malformed query" case)
15:04:13 <howardk> kendall: what about soap, rpc etc?
15:05:22 <howardk> daveb: runtime errors can also occur (??)
15:05:44 <DaveB> runtime errors such as can't load uri, extension function failed, ...
15:06:35 <howardk> kendall: some http error codes map nicely, but ...
15:07:34 <DanC> -> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html#sec10.4.1 400 Bad Request
15:08:22 <DanC> looking in  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/ ...
15:08:26 <JosD> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html#sec10.4.1
15:08:31 <howardk> kendall: has relevant section in protocol spec re 400 bad request
15:08:59 <howardk> kendall: but not 100% confident of treatment
15:09:03 <howardk> danc: looks ok to me
15:09:39 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
15:09:39 <Zakim> agendum 5. "valueTesting, XSCH" taken up [from DanC]
15:09:39 <howardk> daveb: hoping for another draft before ftf, get in yes/no and think about schema thing
15:10:01 <howardk> pat has done detailed review for authors
15:10:14 <howardk> thinks nice piece of work!
15:10:44 <howardk> doesn't think 2nd half impacts our work
15:10:56 <howardk> erics hasn't read pat's comment yet
15:11:17 <howardk> pat: 1st half has recommendation on id (?) rather than name
15:11:37 <howardk> technique of using bracketed ending not practical for compatibility reasons
15:11:56 <ericP> (that technique is XPointer, i believe)
15:12:11 <howardk> didn't fully understand all ramifications tho
15:12:22 <howardk> ericp: mostly made sense
15:12:43 <howardk> pat: it's a bit of a mess
15:12:59 <howardk> danc: would prefer to see test case how it effects our work
15:13:13 <howardk> ericp: action continued
15:13:20 <howardk> pat's: done
15:13:33 <howardk> jos: sorry, no further progress
15:13:39 <howardk> to be continued
15:13:54 <howardk> (prior of section 11 testing values)
15:14:27 <howardk> jos: 2 test cases: one test case no results; 2nd case an implies returning data
15:15:08 <howardk> in this case fires once
15:16:09 <howardk> danc: not sure how well fits existing test structure
15:16:24 <howardk> but engines doing inference before should be discussed somewhere
15:16:54 <howardk> danc: saying it's ok, it can happen
15:17:19 <DaveB> Andy refers to ' ?A^^xsd:dateTime'
15:17:31 <howardk> daveb: notes similarity to casting (dave? andy?)
15:17:58 <howardk> (andy)
15:17:59 <DanC> (jos, I think it would be interesting to discuss ?A^^xsd:dateTime in public-cwm-talk)
15:18:25 <howardk> andy: mentions issue of type promotion from xquery
15:18:43 <howardk> test only gets applied to final type
15:19:01 <DanC> (my wish for a discussion of this sort of inference in one of our docs doesn't seem to have gone anywhere... hmm... I guess that's ok)
15:19:46 <afs> Opne to suggests for a para to insert somewhere Dan.
15:19:57 <howardk> danc: may a 1000 test cases bloom
15:20:28 <afs> Pref have that text early, not specific to values
15:20:35 <howardk> eg do strings automatically get promoted to ints?
15:21:07 <howardk> danc: test case 2 means change to turtle
15:21:20 <howardk> turtle + literal subjects
15:21:47 <DaveB> test case 1 does not need literal subjects
15:22:39 <howardk> test case 2 also has triple variable in it
15:22:45 <DaveB> ?A^^xsd:dateTime math:greaterThan ?B^^xsd:dateTime
15:22:46 <howardk> can't be done
15:23:41 <DanC> "2005-02-15T00:00:00Z" op:dateTime-greater-than "2000-06-00T00:00:00Z".
15:24:40 <DaveB> Tripe pattern section 2.2
15:24:42 <kendall> zakim, mute me
15:24:42 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
15:24:51 <DaveB> RDF-G union V x RDF-U union V x RDF-G union V
15:25:10 <howardk> danc: would be in favour of extending turtle to handle literal subjects for test suite
15:26:21 <howardk> danc: would require changing turtle, but isn't rdf/xml
15:26:26 <DanC> "2005-02-15T00:00:00Z"^^xsd:dateTime op:dateTime-greater-than "2000-06-00T00:00:00Z"^^xsd:dateTime.
15:26:43 <howardk> pat: would have pedagogic value to do so
15:27:13 <howardk> ericp: would hesitate to add a new req: literal subjects
15:27:19 <AlbertoR> same here
15:27:44 <afs> +1 - we check and assume no literal subjects
15:27:53 <DaveB> DaveB also redland
15:28:14 <howardk> sorry: check for what andy?
15:28:22 <afs> Our Graph layer can do it - Our public API doesn't
15:28:38 <howardk> danc: doesn't see critical mass of support
15:28:44 <afs> (Check for literal subjects)
15:29:21 <howardk> jos: you can use bnode to express this in rdf/xml
15:29:29 <ericP> what's the range of owl:sameAs ?
15:29:50 <JosD> rdfs:Resource
15:30:14 <howardk> steve: literal subjects seem like agood idea, but maybe not in the query language
15:30:49 <howardk> danc: invites jos to submit test
15:31:01 <howardk> jos prefers to wait a bit due to bandwith issue
15:31:16 <DanC> ACTION Jos: propose an optional test based on ACTION op:dateTime triple http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0146.html
15:31:51 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
15:31:51 <Zakim> agendum 6. "accessingCollections" taken up [from DanC]
15:32:03 <DaveB> I hope JosD uses the triple: <DanC>	"2005-02-15T00:00:00Z" op:dateTime-greater-than "2000-06-00T00:00:00Z".
15:32:39 <howardk> dan's email prompted a few thoughts
15:33:05 <kendall> so that's not something we shld consider for dawg work?
15:33:30 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0169.html a service description approach to accessingCollections
15:33:56 <howardk> proposes to postpone the issue
15:34:25 <kendall> good, that's one less thing i have to read soon. :>
15:34:30 <howardk> at least for this recommendation, no impetus to standardize seen
15:34:42 <DaveB> I don't think anyone has actually made such a service...
15:34:46 <DanC> PROPOSED: to postpone accessingCollections because (a) our not standardizing it doesn't stop anybody from playing (b) none of the extant designs seems sufficiently mature
15:34:51 <howardk> pat feels nervous about postponing this
15:35:08 <howardk> 7 different implementations will spring into being
15:35:14 <howardk> w/ accompanying chaos
15:35:19 <howardk> danc: not so bad
15:35:52 <howardk> danc: feels group has given sufficient thought to this
15:36:10 <howardk> question: postpone this?
15:36:20 <kendall> KC abstaining, as well
15:36:24 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:36:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see HP, Yoshio, HowardK, Kevin, HiroyukiS, DanC, Kendall_Clark (muted), SteveH, PatH, EricP, AlbertoR, JosD
15:36:26 <Zakim> HP has AndyS, DaveB
15:36:33 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
15:36:33 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
15:37:03 <howardk> hp abstain
15:37:04 <Yoshio> how about giving just informative example?
15:37:09 <DanC> no, hp did not abstain
15:37:23 <afs> HP is happy to postpone the issue to the next WG
15:37:27 <howardk> yoshio: sorry 
15:37:32 <howardk> whoops, that's me
15:37:58 <howardk> yoshio: abstain
15:38:05 <howardk> howard abstain
15:38:18 <howardk> hiroyuki: can live w/ postpone
15:38:21 <howardk> w3c: in favour
15:38:25 <DanC> p a a p p a p a p a
15:38:30 <howardk> alberto: postpone
15:38:33 <DanC> p a a p p a p a p a p
15:38:42 <howardk> daveb: postpone
15:38:53 <howardk> danc: question carries
15:38:54 <kendall> boohiss!
15:38:58 <DanC> so RESOLVED
15:39:09 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
15:39:09 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Service Descriptions" taken up [from DanC]
15:39:32 <howardk> no motion to adjourn
15:40:02 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0166.html Re: on log:definitiveService
15:40:17 <howardk> danc action: 0166.thml
15:40:38 <howardk> andy said yes, not much other response
15:41:09 <howardk> andy: you can be 'partially definitive'
15:41:39 <howardk> kendall: inclined to support something similar
15:42:02 <Yoshio> what do you mean by "partically definitive,"andy?
15:42:06 <howardk> assumes doesn't need more text from danc
15:42:37 <howardk> danc: still a bit early for a few (who?)
15:42:56 <howardk> dan's action's done
15:43:17 <DanC> (I heard SteveH, DaveB say "too early")
15:43:35 <howardk> kendall wants support in order to do so
15:44:46 <howardk> danc: (1) we can write a test case (for failure)
15:44:50 <DaveB> sounds too premature to me.  get these people together to invent a preidcate themselves and experiment
15:45:05 <howardk> (2) (howard missed that)
15:45:39 <howardk> action on sparqlParam: ...
15:47:12 <howardk> ericp: it offers people providing services much more latitude
15:47:32 <afs> Makes writing servlets hard ??
15:47:50 <DaveB> there are 6 http query params in sparql protocol
15:47:53 <afs> (Servlet API has parameter accessors)
15:47:59 <howardk> eric to mail on simple concatenation
15:48:20 <kendall> fwiw, I preferred some of those query parameters to be HTTP headers...
15:48:23 <howardk> has already done: ...
15:48:41 <howardk> dan's action done
15:48:58 <howardk> next 3 actions kendall's ...
15:49:07 <howardk> 1 continued
15:49:19 <afs> Kendall, doesn't that mess up HTTP?
15:49:21 <howardk> 2 continued
15:49:46 <howardk> would like to put 3 on agenda cambridge
15:49:54 <kendall> afs:  huh?
15:50:29 <ericP> concatonated query: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0128 option 4 (look for "append the encoded query directoly")
15:50:32 <howardk> danc: just giving example of construct w/ optional ok
15:50:57 <howardk> overloading http error code seems bad idea
15:51:20 <howardk> (prior is kendall)
15:51:22 <afs> and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0140.html which suggests layering and making client assembly independent
15:52:13 <howardk> question of adding an http header ...
15:52:32 <SteveH> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14.46
15:52:33 <DanC> -> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec13.html#sec13.1.2 13.1.2 Warnings 
15:52:48 <howardk> seems possibly relevant
15:52:54 <howardk> also steve's prior url
15:52:57 <ericP> kendall, http extensions: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/ietf-http-ext/
15:53:37 <howardk> ericp: continued to tech plenary
15:53:57 <howardk> ericp to expedite somewhat
15:54:49 <howardk> kendall: lab partner has shown soap protocol, 70% soap binding for sparql protocol
15:54:58 <howardk> offered to help co-write note on this
15:55:01 <howardk> what to do?
15:55:33 <howardk> will try to incorporate under pressure to publish expeditiously
15:56:21 <howardk> danc: if they joined wg, they could present ideas directly
15:56:47 <howardk> kendall: odds to join are low, not their priority
15:57:01 <howardk> kendall action to followup with email
15:59:10 <howardk> should other bindings be incorporated in protocol spec
15:59:26 <howardk> ericp: would be nice to leverage off their work
15:59:27 <DanC> (just about out of time)
15:59:39 <howardk> kendall: thinks available in open source
15:59:49 <howardk> danc: motion to adjourn
15:59:58 <Zakim> -PatH
15:59:59 <Zakim> -JosD
16:00:00 <DanC> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
16:00:01 <Yoshio> bye
16:00:02 <Zakim> -SteveH
16:00:03 <Zakim> -EricP
16:00:06 <Zakim> -Kendall_Clark
16:00:07 <DanC> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:00:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/02/22-dawg-minutes DanC
16:00:11 <Zakim> -Kevin
16:00:12 <Zakim> -Yoshio
16:00:13 <afs> Eric?
16:00:14 <Zakim> -HiroyukiS
16:00:20 <Zakim> -AlbertoR
16:00:24 <ericP> yes andy?
16:00:46 <DanC> Zakim, list attendees
16:00:46 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Yoshio, HowardK, Kevin, AndyS, DaveB, DanC, Kendall_Clark, SteveH, HiroyukiS, PatH, EricP, AlbertoR, JosD
16:00:48 <afs> We have a short time to LC
16:00:53 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:00:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/02/22-dawg-minutes DanC
16:01:08 <DanC> Meeting: RDF Data Access
16:01:13 <DanC> Chair: DanC
16:01:19 <DanC> Scribe: howardk 
16:01:30 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:01:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/02/22-dawg-minutes DanC
16:01:41 <afs> I have a few things I may get done this week but I'm having "interesting" times impl values
16:01:49 <afs> :-)
16:02:13 <DanC> RRSAgent, pointer?
16:02:13 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2005/02/22-dawg-irc#T16-02-13
16:02:17 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:02:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/02/22-dawg-minutes DanC
16:02:31 <afs> What changes are queued up (it's so busy I've lost track)
16:02:35 <DanC> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0186.html
16:02:40 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:02:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/02/22-dawg-minutes DanC
16:03:01 <DanC>  $Date: 2005/02/22 16:26:13 $
16:03:23 <Zakim> -DanC
16:03:32 <Zakim> -HowardK
16:03:33 <Zakim> -HP
16:03:33 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
16:03:35 <Zakim> Attendees were Yoshio, HowardK, Kevin, AndyS, DaveB, DanC, Kendall_Clark, SteveH, HiroyukiS, PatH, EricP, AlbertoR, JosD
16:04:15 <ericP> afs, in my queue is a chat with liam about going the last mile in specifying operator behavior (defining how the overload is selected)
16:04:47 <ericP> getting a sanity check from someone in XQuery
16:04:50 <afs> See Danbri comment?
16:05:16 <ericP> taking to martin about a hard-coded utf-8 requirement
16:05:31 <afs> What's that?
16:06:24 <afs> We only talk about character strings??
16:06:37 <ericP> we either need a protocol way to specify the character encoding or specify a specific encoding
16:07:09 <ericP> otherwise the far end has no way to know how to decode into big chars
16:07:20 <ericP> danbri's comment, the mbox one?
16:07:22 <ericP> yup
16:07:25 <afs> OK - I was just thinking Q, not protocol - assumed HTTP encoding was OK
16:07:50 <afs> i.e. It's for Kendall :-)
16:08:35 <afs> Yep - mbox one.  I'd be more comfortable if all examples had been executed (I have found mistakes in mime by doing that)
16:08:56 <DaveB> it better be in Q somewhere otherwise how do I get from bytes in my sparql query (file) to unicode chars
16:09:10 <afs> Also - we'll need to do examples => tests (post LC)
16:10:11 <AlbertoR> AlbertoR has left #dawg
16:24:13 <DanC> RRSAgent, stop