IRC log of dawg on 2005-02-22

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14:28:25 [howardk]

morning all

14:28:31 [Yoshio]

evening

14:28:32 [Zakim]

+Kevin

14:28:46 [Zakim]

+??P3

14:28:48 [DaveB]

DanC: AndyS and I are at HP

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14:29:22 [DanC]

Zakim, ??P0 is HP

14:29:22 [Zakim]

I already had ??P0 as AndyS+DaveB, DanC

14:29:37 [DanC]

Zakim, AndyS+DaveB is HP

14:29:37 [Zakim]

+HP; got it

14:29:43 [DanC]

Zakim, HP holds AndyS, DaveB

14:29:43 [Zakim]

+AndyS, DaveB; got it

14:29:54 [Zakim]

+DanC

14:30:05 [Zakim]

+Kendall_Clark

14:30:15 [Zakim]

+NickG

14:30:24 [SteveH]

Zakim, NickG is SteveH

14:30:24 [Zakim]

+SteveH; got it

14:30:58 [DanC]

Zakim, take up agendum 1

14:30:58 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0186.html" taken up [from DanC]

14:31:04 [DanC]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:31:04 [Zakim]

On the phone I see HP, Yoshio, HowardK, Kevin, ??P3, DanC, Kendall_Clark, SteveH

14:31:07 [Zakim]

HP has AndyS, DaveB

14:31:33 [HiroyukiS]

P3 is me

14:31:35 [kendall]

is the "s" in "sparql" "simple" or "sparql"?

14:31:38 [DanC]

Zakim, ??P3 is HiroyukiS

14:31:38 [Zakim]

+HiroyukiS; got it

14:32:07 [Zakim]

+PatH

14:32:19 [howardk]

it's sparql (what's diff between 1st and last Kendall?)

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14:32:49 [ericP]

zakim, please dial ericP-617

14:32:49 [Zakim]

ok, ericP; the call is being made

14:32:50 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:32:52 [kendall]

yoshio: hehe

14:32:52 [DanC]

Minutes of DAWG 2005-02-15 telcon for review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0133.html

14:32:56 [Zakim]

-EricP

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14:33:09 [ericP]

zakim, please dial ericP-617

14:33:09 [Zakim]

ok, ericP; the call is being made

14:33:11 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:33:23 [howardk]

minutes accepted as amended

14:33:39 [Zakim]

+??P7

14:33:45 [Yoshio]

well, I was absent on 15 (sick in bed)

14:33:54 [DanC]

Zakim, ??P7 is AlbertoR

14:33:55 [Zakim]

+AlbertoR; got it

14:34:27 [DanC]

ammendment2: Yoshio Fukushige not at 15 Feb telcon

14:34:40 [Yoshio]

thank you

14:34:42 [DanC]

agenda + ftf6

14:35:16 [DanC]

Zakim, next agendum

14:35:16 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "ftf5 Feb 28-1Mar in Cambridge, MA, USA" taken up [from DanC]

14:35:30 [DanC]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ftf5-bos.html#agenda ftf5 agenda

14:35:39 [howardk]

actions 1: all continued except Steve's

14:36:27 [DanC]

hm... http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/interest/meetings/tp2005.html $Revision: 1.11 $ of $Date: 2005/02/04 20:33:55 $ by $Author: danbri $

14:37:22 [howardk]

ftf5: kendall to scribe

14:38:48 [afs]

Boston->CET is 6 hours

14:39:13 [DanC]

Zakim, close this agendum

14:39:13 [Zakim]

agendum 2 closed

14:39:14 [howardk]

dan has requested same phone #

14:39:15 [Zakim]

I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:39:17 [Zakim]

3. SPARQL QL publication [from DanC]

14:39:47 [DanC]

Zakim, take up agendum 8

14:39:47 [Zakim]

agendum 8. "ftf6" taken up [from DanC]

14:40:02 [DanC]

->http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0197.html steve's offer to host

14:41:04 [JosD]

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14:41:06 [DanC]

PatH: european SemWeb thing is 1Jun and prev 3 days

14:41:10 [afs]

http://www.eswc2005.org/

14:41:25 [Zakim]

+JosD

14:41:27 [howardk]

ftf6: asemantics offer 19-20 may

14:41:57 [howardk]

pat to put offer in writing

14:42:06 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:42:06 [Zakim]

On the phone I see HP, Yoshio, HowardK, Kevin, HiroyukiS, DanC, Kendall_Clark, SteveH, PatH, EricP, AlbertoR, JosD

14:42:09 [Zakim]

HP has AndyS, DaveB

14:43:14 [DanC]

Yoshio: pls co-locate ftf meeting with other events

14:43:20 [howardk]

yoshio: prefers adjacent to another conference

14:43:31 [howardk]

kevin: no pref

14:43:34 [howardk]

howard: no pref

14:43:37 [howardk]

hiro: no pref

14:43:53 [howardk]

danc: hoping to go to xtech amsterdam

14:44:03 [howardk]

kendall: not much of a pref

14:44:12 [howardk]

steve: prefers later

14:44:18 [howardk]

plus offers to host

14:44:23 [howardk]

pat offered as well

14:44:39 [howardk]

doesn't mind if elsewhere tho

14:44:52 [howardk]

eric: co-locate w/ xtech would be nice

14:45:04 [howardk]

jos: same as alberto

14:45:54 [AlbertoR]

alberto: prefers Europe for f2f 6th either Southumpton (or Leiden)

14:46:14 [howardk]

andy: being in Japan 1 week before Leiden would be toughish

14:46:26 [howardk]

dave: also going to japan

14:46:29 [kendall]

hmm, there's a good chance I'll be in Japan too, actually.

14:47:22 [howardk]

danc: would like to celebrate candidate rec in June

14:47:40 [DanC]

(get there in Apr, celebrate May/Jun)

14:48:35 [howardk]

danc: can we decide in cambridge?

14:48:49 [DanC]

so danc's action continues; the rest are done.

14:48:58 [DanC]

Zakim, next agendum

14:48:58 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "SPARQL QL publication" taken up [from DanC]

14:49:16 [howardk]

and much happiness all around

14:50:19 [howardk]

eric: operators depending on operand type still a bit unclear

14:50:41 [howardk]

whoops: I missed what was a bit controversial eric?

14:51:02 [DaveB]

EBV

14:51:09 [DaveB]

from XQuery F&O

14:51:19 [howardk]

thank you

14:51:27 [DanC]

Zakim, next agendum

14:51:27 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "SPARQL result set" taken up [from DanC]

14:51:33 [DaveB]

DanC mentioned query pubbed around cvs version 1.224/1.225

14:52:06 [howardk]

daveb: action is done

14:52:37 [howardk]

liam's suggest xsl group to review result set spec

14:52:58 [howardk]

daveb: a few comments re attrs vs elements but not significant

14:53:43 [AlbertoR]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Feb/0005.html

14:54:12 [AlbertoR]

Damian Steer

14:54:24 [howardk]

daveb: mentions comment and recommendation on xsi:type

14:54:25 [DanC]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Feb/0005.html Re: XML result format and datatypes

14:55:03 [DanC]

ack danc

14:55:03 [Zakim]

DanC, you wanted to note qname "fun"

14:55:22 [ericP]

ouch

14:55:27 [howardk]

danc: xsi:type takes qname, with accompanying issues

14:56:30 [howardk]

danc: comment seems well motivated

14:57:07 [ericP]

"1234"^^<http://...myCrazyScheme#thang>

14:57:38 [howardk]

dave: can't turn all uri's into qnames

14:58:16 [howardk]

eric: wsdl uri types are xpointers and end in lparens: can't become qnames

14:58:38 [DanC]

(ericp, are those WSDL uris supposed to be URIs for datatypes? or URIs for datatype-related-syntactic-constructs?)

14:59:34 [howardk]

dave will accept action to mull on this

14:59:52 [DanC]

ACTION DaveB: consider use of xsi:dataType ala comment from Steer

14:59:59 [howardk]

best practises doc discusses this issue

15:00:15 [ericP]

<foo xmlns:foo="http://...myCrazyScheme#" xsi:datatype="foo:thang">1234</foo>

15:00:43 [howardk]

daveb: wants to also think over yes/no in result set

15:01:07 [afs]

Eric - that complicates things :-(

15:01:14 [ericP]

orig datatype was http://...myCrazyScheme#thang. did we communicate that to XSD? or at least RDF people interpretting theXML data?

15:01:38 [patH]

the best practices doc is http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/XSCH/xsch-sw-20050127/

15:02:29 [howardk]

daveb: to review question of errors from protocol affecting result set

15:03:21 [howardk]

malformed query to return defined error in result set ?

15:03:51 [DanC]

(hmm... HTTP error codes seem exactly right for the "malformed query" case)

15:04:13 [howardk]

kendall: what about soap, rpc etc?

15:05:22 [howardk]

daveb: runtime errors can also occur (??)

15:05:44 [DaveB]

runtime errors such as can't load uri, extension function failed, ...

15:06:35 [howardk]

kendall: some http error codes map nicely, but ...

15:07:34 [DanC]

-> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html#sec10.4.1 400 Bad Request

15:08:22 [DanC]

looking in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/ ...

15:08:26 [JosD]

http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html#sec10.4.1

15:08:31 [howardk]

kendall: has relevant section in protocol spec re 400 bad request

15:08:59 [howardk]

kendall: but not 100% confident of treatment

15:09:03 [howardk]

danc: looks ok to me

15:09:39 [DanC]

Zakim, next agendum

15:09:39 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "valueTesting, XSCH" taken up [from DanC]

15:09:39 [howardk]

daveb: hoping for another draft before ftf, get in yes/no and think about schema thing

15:10:01 [howardk]

pat has done detailed review for authors

15:10:14 [howardk]

thinks nice piece of work!

15:10:44 [howardk]

doesn't think 2nd half impacts our work

15:10:56 [howardk]

erics hasn't read pat's comment yet

15:11:17 [howardk]

pat: 1st half has recommendation on id (?) rather than name

15:11:37 [howardk]

technique of using bracketed ending not practical for compatibility reasons

15:11:56 [ericP]

(that technique is XPointer, i believe)

15:12:11 [howardk]

didn't fully understand all ramifications tho

15:12:22 [howardk]

ericp: mostly made sense

15:12:43 [howardk]

pat: it's a bit of a mess

15:12:59 [howardk]

danc: would prefer to see test case how it effects our work

15:13:13 [howardk]

ericp: action continued

15:13:20 [howardk]

pat's: done

15:13:33 [howardk]

jos: sorry, no further progress

15:13:39 [howardk]

to be continued

15:13:54 [howardk]

(prior of section 11 testing values)

15:14:27 [howardk]

jos: 2 test cases: one test case no results; 2nd case an implies returning data

15:15:08 [howardk]

in this case fires once

15:16:09 [howardk]

danc: not sure how well fits existing test structure

15:16:24 [howardk]

but engines doing inference before should be discussed somewhere

15:16:54 [howardk]

danc: saying it's ok, it can happen

15:17:19 [DaveB]

Andy refers to ' ?A^^xsd:dateTime'

15:17:31 [howardk]

daveb: notes similarity to casting (dave? andy?)

15:17:58 [howardk]

(andy)

15:17:59 [DanC]

(jos, I think it would be interesting to discuss ?A^^xsd:dateTime in public-cwm-talk)

15:18:25 [howardk]

andy: mentions issue of type promotion from xquery

15:18:43 [howardk]

test only gets applied to final type

15:19:01 [DanC]

(my wish for a discussion of this sort of inference in one of our docs doesn't seem to have gone anywhere... hmm... I guess that's ok)

15:19:46 [afs]

Opne to suggests for a para to insert somewhere Dan.

15:19:57 [howardk]

danc: may a 1000 test cases bloom

15:20:28 [afs]

Pref have that text early, not specific to values

15:20:35 [howardk]

eg do strings automatically get promoted to ints?

15:21:07 [howardk]

danc: test case 2 means change to turtle

15:21:20 [howardk]

turtle + literal subjects

15:21:47 [DaveB]

test case 1 does not need literal subjects

15:22:39 [howardk]

test case 2 also has triple variable in it

15:22:45 [DaveB]

?A^^xsd:dateTime math:greaterThan ?B^^xsd:dateTime

15:22:46 [howardk]

can't be done

15:23:41 [DanC]

"2005-02-15T00:00:00Z" op:dateTime-greater-than "2000-06-00T00:00:00Z".

15:24:40 [DaveB]

Tripe pattern section 2.2

15:24:42 [kendall]

zakim, mute me

15:24:42 [Zakim]

Kendall_Clark should now be muted

15:24:51 [DaveB]

RDF-G union V x RDF-U union V x RDF-G union V

15:25:10 [howardk]

danc: would be in favour of extending turtle to handle literal subjects for test suite

15:26:21 [howardk]

danc: would require changing turtle, but isn't rdf/xml

15:26:26 [DanC]

"2005-02-15T00:00:00Z"^^xsd:dateTime op:dateTime-greater-than "2000-06-00T00:00:00Z"^^xsd:dateTime.

15:26:43 [howardk]

pat: would have pedagogic value to do so

15:27:13 [howardk]

ericp: would hesitate to add a new req: literal subjects

15:27:19 [AlbertoR]

same here

15:27:44 [afs]

+1 - we check and assume no literal subjects

15:27:53 [DaveB]

DaveB also redland

15:28:14 [howardk]

sorry: check for what andy?

15:28:22 [afs]

Our Graph layer can do it - Our public API doesn't

15:28:38 [howardk]

danc: doesn't see critical mass of support

15:28:44 [afs]

(Check for literal subjects)

15:29:21 [howardk]

jos: you can use bnode to express this in rdf/xml

15:29:29 [ericP]

what's the range of owl:sameAs ?

15:29:50 [JosD]

rdfs:Resource

15:30:14 [howardk]

steve: literal subjects seem like agood idea, but maybe not in the query language

15:30:49 [howardk]

danc: invites jos to submit test

15:31:01 [howardk]

jos prefers to wait a bit due to bandwith issue

15:31:16 [DanC]

ACTION Jos: propose an optional test based on ACTION op:dateTime triple http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0146.html

15:31:51 [DanC]

Zakim, next agendum

15:31:51 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "accessingCollections" taken up [from DanC]

15:32:03 [DaveB]

I hope JosD uses the triple: <DanC>"2005-02-15T00:00:00Z" op:dateTime-greater-than "2000-06-00T00:00:00Z".

15:32:39 [howardk]

dan's email prompted a few thoughts

15:33:05 [kendall]

so that's not something we shld consider for dawg work?

15:33:30 [DanC]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0169.html a service description approach to accessingCollections

15:33:56 [howardk]

proposes to postpone the issue

15:34:25 [kendall]

good, that's one less thing i have to read soon. :>

15:34:30 [howardk]

at least for this recommendation, no impetus to standardize seen

15:34:42 [DaveB]

I don't think anyone has actually made such a service...

15:34:46 [DanC]

PROPOSED: to postpone accessingCollections because (a) our not standardizing it doesn't stop anybody from playing (b) none of the extant designs seems sufficiently mature

15:34:51 [howardk]

pat feels nervous about postponing this

15:35:08 [howardk]

7 different implementations will spring into being

15:35:14 [howardk]

w/ accompanying chaos

15:35:19 [howardk]

danc: not so bad

15:35:52 [howardk]

danc: feels group has given sufficient thought to this

15:36:10 [howardk]

question: postpone this?

15:36:20 [kendall]

KC abstaining, as well

15:36:24 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

15:36:24 [Zakim]

On the phone I see HP, Yoshio, HowardK, Kevin, HiroyukiS, DanC, Kendall_Clark (muted), SteveH, PatH, EricP, AlbertoR, JosD

15:36:26 [Zakim]

HP has AndyS, DaveB

15:36:33 [kendall]

zakim, unmute me

15:36:33 [Zakim]

Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted

15:37:03 [howardk]

hp abstain

15:37:04 [Yoshio]

how about giving just informative example?

15:37:09 [DanC]

no, hp did not abstain

15:37:23 [afs]

HP is happy to postpone the issue to the next WG

15:37:27 [howardk]

yoshio: sorry

15:37:32 [howardk]

whoops, that's me

15:37:58 [howardk]

yoshio: abstain

15:38:05 [howardk]

howard abstain

15:38:18 [howardk]

hiroyuki: can live w/ postpone

15:38:21 [howardk]

w3c: in favour

15:38:25 [DanC]

p a a p p a p a p a

15:38:30 [howardk]

alberto: postpone

15:38:33 [DanC]

p a a p p a p a p a p

15:38:42 [howardk]

daveb: postpone

15:38:53 [howardk]

danc: question carries

15:38:54 [kendall]

boohiss!

15:38:58 [DanC]

so RESOLVED

15:39:09 [DanC]

Zakim, next agendum

15:39:09 [Zakim]

agendum 7. "Service Descriptions" taken up [from DanC]

15:39:32 [howardk]

no motion to adjourn

15:40:02 [DanC]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0166.html Re: on log:definitiveService

15:40:17 [howardk]

danc action: 0166.thml

15:40:38 [howardk]

andy said yes, not much other response

15:41:09 [howardk]

andy: you can be 'partially definitive'

15:41:39 [howardk]

kendall: inclined to support something similar

15:42:02 [Yoshio]

what do you mean by "partically definitive,"andy?

15:42:06 [howardk]

assumes doesn't need more text from danc

15:42:37 [howardk]

danc: still a bit early for a few (who?)

15:42:56 [howardk]

dan's action's done

15:43:17 [DanC]

(I heard SteveH, DaveB say "too early")

15:43:35 [howardk]

kendall wants support in order to do so

15:44:46 [howardk]

danc: (1) we can write a test case (for failure)

15:44:50 [DaveB]

sounds too premature to me. get these people together to invent a preidcate themselves and experiment

15:45:05 [howardk]

(2) (howard missed that)

15:45:39 [howardk]

action on sparqlParam: ...

15:47:12 [howardk]

ericp: it offers people providing services much more latitude

15:47:32 [afs]

Makes writing servlets hard ??

15:47:50 [DaveB]

there are 6 http query params in sparql protocol

15:47:53 [afs]

(Servlet API has parameter accessors)

15:47:59 [howardk]

eric to mail on simple concatenation

15:48:20 [kendall]

fwiw, I preferred some of those query parameters to be HTTP headers...

15:48:23 [howardk]

has already done: ...

15:48:41 [howardk]

dan's action done

15:48:58 [howardk]

next 3 actions kendall's ...

15:49:07 [howardk]

1 continued

15:49:19 [afs]

Kendall, doesn't that mess up HTTP?

15:49:21 [howardk]

2 continued

15:49:46 [howardk]

would like to put 3 on agenda cambridge

15:49:54 [kendall]

afs: huh?

15:50:29 [ericP]

concatonated query: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0128 option 4 (look for "append the encoded query directoly")

15:50:32 [howardk]

danc: just giving example of construct w/ optional ok

15:50:57 [howardk]

overloading http error code seems bad idea

15:51:20 [howardk]

(prior is kendall)

15:51:22 [afs]

and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0140.html which suggests layering and making client assembly independent

15:52:13 [howardk]

question of adding an http header ...

15:52:32 [SteveH]

http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14.46

15:52:33 [DanC]

-> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec13.html#sec13.1.2 13.1.2 Warnings

15:52:48 [howardk]

seems possibly relevant

15:52:54 [howardk]

also steve's prior url

15:52:57 [ericP]

kendall, http extensions: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/ietf-http-ext/

15:53:37 [howardk]

ericp: continued to tech plenary

15:53:57 [howardk]

ericp to expedite somewhat

15:54:49 [howardk]

kendall: lab partner has shown soap protocol, 70% soap binding for sparql protocol

15:54:58 [howardk]

offered to help co-write note on this

15:55:01 [howardk]

what to do?

15:55:33 [howardk]

will try to incorporate under pressure to publish expeditiously

15:56:21 [howardk]

danc: if they joined wg, they could present ideas directly

15:56:47 [howardk]

kendall: odds to join are low, not their priority

15:57:01 [howardk]

kendall action to followup with email

15:59:10 [howardk]

should other bindings be incorporated in protocol spec

15:59:26 [howardk]

ericp: would be nice to leverage off their work

15:59:27 [DanC]

(just about out of time)

15:59:39 [howardk]

kendall: thinks available in open source

15:59:49 [howardk]

danc: motion to adjourn

15:59:58 [Zakim]

-PatH

15:59:59 [Zakim]

-JosD

16:00:00 [DanC]

RRSAgent, make logs world-access

16:00:01 [Yoshio]

bye

16:00:02 [Zakim]

-SteveH

16:00:03 [Zakim]

-EricP

16:00:06 [Zakim]

-Kendall_Clark

16:00:07 [DanC]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

16:00:07 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/02/22-dawg-minutes DanC

16:00:11 [Zakim]

-Kevin

16:00:12 [Zakim]

-Yoshio

16:00:13 [afs]

Eric?

16:00:14 [Zakim]

-HiroyukiS

16:00:20 [Zakim]

-AlbertoR

16:00:24 [ericP]

yes andy?

16:00:46 [DanC]

Zakim, list attendees

16:00:46 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been Yoshio, HowardK, Kevin, AndyS, DaveB, DanC, Kendall_Clark, SteveH, HiroyukiS, PatH, EricP, AlbertoR, JosD

16:00:48 [afs]

We have a short time to LC

16:00:53 [DanC]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

16:00:53 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/02/22-dawg-minutes DanC

16:01:08 [DanC]

Meeting: RDF Data Access

16:01:13 [DanC]

Chair: DanC

16:01:19 [DanC]

Scribe: howardk

16:01:30 [DanC]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

16:01:30 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/02/22-dawg-minutes DanC

16:01:41 [afs]

I have a few things I may get done this week but I'm having "interesting" times impl values

16:01:49 [afs]

:-)

16:02:13 [DanC]

RRSAgent, pointer?

16:02:13 [RRSAgent]

See http://www.w3.org/2005/02/22-dawg-irc#T16-02-13

16:02:17 [DanC]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

16:02:17 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/02/22-dawg-minutes DanC

16:02:31 [afs]

What changes are queued up (it's so busy I've lost track)

16:02:35 [DanC]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0186.html

16:02:40 [DanC]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

16:02:40 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/02/22-dawg-minutes DanC

16:03:01 [DanC]

$Date: 2005/02/22 16:02:46 $

16:03:23 [Zakim]

-DanC

16:03:32 [Zakim]

-HowardK

16:03:33 [Zakim]

-HP

16:03:33 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended

16:03:35 [Zakim]

Attendees were Yoshio, HowardK, Kevin, AndyS, DaveB, DanC, Kendall_Clark, SteveH, HiroyukiS, PatH, EricP, AlbertoR, JosD

16:04:15 [ericP]

afs, in my queue is a chat with liam about going the last mile in specifying operator behavior (defining how the overload is selected)

16:04:47 [ericP]

getting a sanity check from someone in XQuery

16:04:50 [afs]

See Danbri comment?

16:05:16 [ericP]

taking to martin about a hard-coded utf-8 requirement

16:05:31 [afs]

What's that?

16:06:24 [afs]

We only talk about character strings??

16:06:37 [ericP]

we either need a protocol way to specify the character encoding or specify a specific encoding

16:07:09 [ericP]

otherwise the far end has no way to know how to decode into big chars

16:07:20 [ericP]

danbri's comment, the mbox one?

16:07:22 [ericP]

yup

16:07:25 [afs]

OK - I was just thinking Q, not protocol - assumed HTTP encoding was OK

16:07:50 [afs]

i.e. It's for Kendall :-)

16:08:35 [afs]

Yep - mbox one. I'd be more comfortable if all examples had been executed (I have found mistakes in mime by doing that)

16:08:56 [DaveB]

it better be in Q somewhere otherwise how do I get from bytes in my sparql query (file) to unicode chars

16:09:10 [afs]

Also - we'll need to do examples => tests (post LC)

16:10:11 [AlbertoR]

AlbertoR has left #dawg

16:24:13 [DanC]

RRSAgent, stop