W3C

Web Services CG call

15 Feb 2005

Agenda

Attendees

Present
Hugo, Martin, SteveRT, +1.858.831.aaaa, Carine, Mike.Mahan, Michael, MarkN, Jonathan_Marsh
Regrets
Chair
Steve
Scribe
hugo

Contents


 

 

<scribe> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2005Feb/att-0011/Agenda15Feb2005_1.htm

<scribe> ACTION: Hugo to contact Eric Miller about WSCG

Approval of minutes

Minutes are at: http://www.w3.org/2005/01/04-ws-cg-minutes.html

Minutes are approved

Schedule updates

MarkN: Addressing intend to go to LC at or right after the TP
... we will have a F2F in April, and a joint F2F early June

Mike: we are working on SOAP 1.2 2nd ed, and we're targetting to be done next week

<MSM> QT expect a last call in April

<MSM> QT = XQuery 1.0, XSLT 2.0, and their related specs.

Hugo: Description is going to do another LC, but we have quite a few issues open still

Action Items

<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] Hugo to prepare minutes

<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] CG to ping Addison about progress and rechartering

Steve: I will forward Addison's email after the call

<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] Hugo to add some additional dates to calendar

<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] Mark to go back and provide a clear concise description of the requirement so that the Description WG can provide guidance as to how to meet the requirements.

<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] SRT to check with Hugo on above item

<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] Hugo has some action item concerning this [XML CG Data Types Issue] which may need to be recast in coord group.

Hugo: actually, it wasn't to the XML CG in particular, but I sent email to the description about the meeting we had

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2005Jan/0029.html

Glossary

<SRT> Glossary:

<SRT> Came up in discussion with GGF, Oasis and DMTF and they were talking about doing a glossary.

<SRT> It turns out we already have one which is a good starting point based on Web Services Architecture WG.

<SRT> Hugo suggests that we (the CG) should redraft the glossary with updated terms. Given that HH was the editor the workload is not too high.

Mark: I'm worried about reopening architecture discussions
... we tried this in WS-I and it didn't go well

Martin: what if Groups didn't agree?

Hugo: at least those differences would be listed

Martin: also, I think that would need resources in the Chor WG

Hugo: I think that some definitions in the glossary could be simply updated based on the current WS-CDL draft

Steve: I think that it would help; there is some confusion in the market place

Mark: is it confusion over the terms or the architecture?

Martin and Mark think that it will not work

Steve: I think it should be done

<SRT> Is this a scoping problem

<SRT> I'd happily help in scoping and then take it from there

Martin: updating the glossary is not a bad thing, but adding more terms is not going to work

<SRT> Steve volunteers to work with Hugo

Hugo: what if I update the document and bring it back to the CG for review?

CG agrees

Mike: I think that we had problems getting to consensus in the Architecture WG

<scribe> ACTION: Hugo to (possibly) work on an updated glossary and bring it for review

WS WG reports and issues

- Choreography

Martin: we have about 60 technical LC issues
... thank you to WGs for providing comments

- Description

Hugo: dealing with LC issues
... may have dealt with one of our formal objections
... making progress

- XMLP

Mike: David resigned
... we published the XOP+MTOM+RRSHB Recs
... we're working on SOAP 1.2 2n Ed
... and then we'll be working on MTOM errata
... we'll be discussing if we want to do any other kind of work besides maintenance

Steve: I was at a conference and heard the usual "SOAP's too slow"
... has there been any benchmarking done and publicly available?

Mike: I'll have to get back to you on this

- Addressing

Mark: we're on our way to LC
... right now, there's a lot of focus around the tag issue about identity, and we have a TF with the Desc WG about asynchrony
... it looks like we're going to need a new SOAP MEP + binding for one-way communication
... this isn't on our critical path to LC, but it is for CR
... this work could be done in Addressing, Desc, or XMLP
... when is XMLP meeting at the TP?

Mike: we're not

Mark: maybe you should come and attend our meeting

Mike: I could try to come to your Tuesday session

Mark: we already have a strawman proposal from David Orchard

- XML CG

Michael: nothing much to report
... the only substantive topic we are discussing the adoption of XML 1.1
... some of those are disapointed about WSDL 2.0 dropping XML 1.1 support
... you may expect a comment at your next LC about reinstating XML 1.1 support as you had it right

Steve: what was it that was compelling about XML 1.1 that WSDL 2.0 should have used?

Michael: what they are missing is the possibility of using any XML version
... they had very careful rules about the invariance between XML versions
... they are also losing the advantages of XML 1.1

Hugo: people felt that the added layer of abstraction was too complex in the spec

<scribe> ACTION: Hugo to send email about XML 1.1 support and then dropping in WSDL 2.0

- SWS IG

<MSM> The summaries Hugo and I prepared of the discussion of WSDL's 1.1 support are available at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2005Feb/0001.html

Carine: there is now some hope to get a review of WS-CDL by the CG

<MSM> That does not cover the advantages or disadvantages of XML 1.1.

<SRT> 14 Feb: W3C Workshop on Rule Languages for Interoperability (Call for Participation)

<SRT> and 10 Feb: W3C Workshop on Frameworks for Semantics in Web Services (Call for Participation)

Carine: also, we announced a workshop on Frameworks for Semantics in Web Services

Steve: those workshops are related, but are not colocated
... the problem is that I don't have budget for going to both of those
... I think we ought to do better coordination

Carine: that was our original plan, but we had to decouple

Steve: I may write an email to express my disapointment more formally

AOB

Steve: I would like to propose to invite Chris Swan of CSFB to better understand what technologies they're using
... I'd like to hear back from you at the TP

Martin: also, I thought we could have been consulted about the note to WS-I about schema profiling

Michael: the problem is that we were aware of this on the day the board was balloting this
... BTW, if you have issues with schemas in your WGs, the Schema WG would like to hear from you for its 1.1 spec

Next call lunch/dinner at the plenary

Steve: I would like to have a date for meeting either for lunch or dinner
... we'll meet Wednesday 2 for lunch

<scribe> ACTION: Hugo to book table for lunch on Wednesday 2

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/02/15-ws-cg-minutes hugo

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/02/15-ws-cg-minutes hugo

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Hugo to (possibly) work on an updated glossary and bring it for review
[NEW] ACTION: Hugo to book table for lunch on Wednesday 2
[NEW] ACTION: Hugo to contact Eric Miller about WSCG
[NEW] ACTION: Hugo to send email about XML 1.1 support and then dropping in WSDL 2.0
 
[DONE] ACTION: CG to ping Addison about progress and rechartering
[DONE] ACTION: Hugo has some action item concerning this [XML CG Data Types Issue] which may need to be recast in coord group.
[DONE] ACTION: Hugo to add some additional dates to calendar
[DONE] ACTION: Hugo to prepare minutes
[DONE] ACTION: Mark to go back and provide a clear concise description of the requirement so that the Description WG can provide guidance as to how to meet the requirements.
[DONE] ACTION: SRT to check with Hugo on above item
 
[End of minutes]

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