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17:55:30 <Ralph> zakim, this will be swbp
17:55:30 <Zakim> ok, Ralph; I see SW_BPD()1:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
17:55:40 <Ralph> Meeting: SemWeb Best Practices & Deployment
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17:56:02 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0037.html
17:56:13 <aharth> hello
17:57:22 <Ralph> agenda+ Admin
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17:57:31 <Ralph> agenda+ Liaison
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17:57:45 <Ralph> agenda+ TF Updates
18:00:19 <Fabien> zakim, who's here?
18:00:19 <Zakim> sorry, Fabien, I don't know what conference this is
18:00:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see Fabien, aharth, libby, Zakim, RRSAgent, aliman, ChrisW, PhilT, tbaker, Ralph
18:01:21 <aharth> the caller id feature seems not working
18:01:29 <Ralph> zakim, this is swbpd
18:01:29 <Zakim> sorry, Ralph, I do not see a conference named 'swbpd' in progress or scheduled at this time
18:01:30 <Ralph> zakim, this is swbp
18:01:31 <Zakim> ok, Ralph; that matches SW_BPD()1:00PM
18:01:33 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
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18:01:41 <Ralph> zakim, who's on the call?
18:01:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Phil_Tetlow, ??P2, [Sophia] (muted), Libby_Miller, ??P13, Ralph, Chris_Welty, Evan_Wallace
18:01:44 <Zakim> +Andreas_Harth (was ??P2)
18:01:45 <Zakim> +Alistair_Miles (was ??P13)
18:01:56 <Fabien>  zakim, [Sophia] is Fabien_Gandon
18:01:56 <Zakim> +Fabien_Gandon; got it
18:01:56 <ChrisW> that may have been me (echo)
18:02:01 <ChrisW> is it gone, i'm muted
18:02:11 <Fabien> Zakim, mute Fabien_Gandon
18:02:12 <Zakim> Fabien_Gandon was already muted, Fabien
18:02:16 <Zakim> + +1.650.969.aaaa
18:02:31 <Ralph> zakim, aaaa is Elisa_Kendall
18:02:31 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall; got it
18:03:01 <Zakim> +Tom_Baker
18:03:09 <Zakim> +Tom_Baker.a (was Tom_Baker)
18:03:43 <Ralph> zakim, who's on the call?
18:03:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Phil_Tetlow, Andreas_Harth, Fabien_Gandon (muted), Libby_Miller, Alistair_Miles, Ralph, Chris_Welty, Evan_Wallace, Elisa_Kendall, Tom_Baker.a
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18:04:13 <Ralph> Regrets: DanBri, Benjamin, Deb, Natasha, Steve, Gary, Brian
18:04:38 <Ralph> zakim, take up agendum 1
18:04:41 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from Ralph]
18:04:53 <Ralph> Regrets+ Jeremy
18:05:06 <Ralph> Previous: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jan/0150.html
18:05:20 <Ralph> PROPOSE to accept http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jan/0150.html
18:05:38 <Ralph> ACCEPTED
18:05:54 <Ralph> PROPOSE next meeting 24 Feb
18:06:28 <Ralph> next meeting 24 Feb
18:06:43 <Ralph> zakim, who's noisy?
18:06:59 <Zakim> Ralph, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Phil_Tetlow (25%), Andreas_Harth (14%), Libby_Miller (4%), Ralph (52%), Elisa_Kendall (8%)
18:07:14 <tbaker> I have not registered yet, but have booked hotel.
18:07:31 <Zakim> -Phil_Tetlow
18:08:12 <Zakim> +Gavin_McKenzie
18:08:30 <PhilT> Sorry..Having problems. Ill be back on the call as soon as possible
18:08:36 <Ralph> ACTION: guus ask steven pemberton for meeting re XHTML2 meta module
18:08:45 <Ralph> DONE
18:09:33 <Ralph> zakim, next agendum
18:09:33 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Liaison" taken up [from Ralph]
18:09:45 <Ralph> ACTION: jeremy ask natasha to review page 68/69 of ODM document
18:09:53 <Ralph> DONE
18:10:12 <Ralph> Evan: Natasha did look at those pages
18:10:28 <Ralph> ... Natasha, Elisa, and I talked about the comments and agreed the section did have some problems
18:10:39 <Ralph> ... the section may be reworked
18:10:51 <Ralph> ACTION: Guus to review OWL metamodel
18:11:05 <Ralph> -- continued
18:11:12 <Ralph> ACTION: Deb to go over OWL metamodel and provide a summary
18:11:24 <Ralph> -- continued
18:11:32 <Ralph> Elisa: Deb and I plan to do some of this together next week
18:11:45 <Ralph> 2.2: DAWG: UNSAID and SOUCE issues
18:12:09 <Ralph> Ralph: anyone plan to do any more on this?
18:12:27 <Ralph> Chris: read DanC's message, now understand the issue but not sure what we're being asked to provide
18:13:28 <Zakim> +Phil_Tetlow
18:13:41 <Ralph> Ralph: DAWG asked for input based on any deployment experience
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18:13:57 <tbaker> I'll do it, Ralph
18:14:14 <Ralph> zakim, next agendum
18:14:14 <Zakim> agendum 3. "TF Updates" taken up [from Ralph]
18:14:28 <tbaker> TF updates - SE (Phil)
18:15:01 <tbaker> had 2nd SE telecon last week - good news, progress on production of notes
18:15:08 <tbaker> plan: get 3 short notes out soon
18:15:14 <tbaker> hopefully, at least one visible for F2F
18:15:22 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0002.html SE TF telecon 1-Feb
18:15:22 <tbaker> problem: correct format and procedure
18:15:28 <tbaker> Advice?
18:15:46 <tbaker> Ralph will do offline
18:15:50 <tbaker> Generally: things going well.
18:16:41 <tbaker> Schedule: informally agreed to have material for next Tue (next telecon)
18:16:51 <tbaker> ID schemes will take another week or 2
18:17:03 <tbaker> maybe week before f2f
18:17:08 <tbaker> hopefully get notes out in next week
18:17:27 <Ralph> ACTION: ralph to make a "List of WG documents" more apparent from the 
18:17:41 <tbaker> ralph had action to make more of working editors' drafts visible from home page
18:17:43 <Ralph> DONE
18:17:48 <tbaker> based on jeremy's work - this is done
18:17:55 <tbaker> suggestions welcome
18:18:18 <tbaker> will be ongoing chore to keep up-to-date
18:18:23 <tbaker> PORT TF (Alistair)
18:18:49 <tbaker> Prposed to publish SKOS Core Guide as WOrking Draft
18:19:14 <Ralph> TomB: I had extensive review comments, which were discussed on the thesaurus review list
18:19:21 <Ralph> ... all comments addressed, draft looks nice
18:19:26 <Zakim> -Phil_Tetlow
18:19:34 <tbaker> Al: clear policy statements with regard to ownership
18:19:52 <tbaker> Al has put these in the SKOS Core Spec (not the Guide)
18:20:16 <tbaker> Mark also supportive
18:20:41 <tbaker> Tom thinks it should go ahead
18:20:53 <tbaker> Declared accepted by this meeting
18:21:08 <tbaker> Al should run pubrules checker on the spec
18:21:15 <tbaker> Ralph will take a look at it
18:21:46 <tbaker> Will link from home page more prominently
18:21:56 <Ralph> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/
18:22:18 <tbaker> See link to Editors home page - hints - has links to publication rules.
18:22:37 <tbaker> Includes checklist from webmasters - pretty automated...
18:23:08 <tbaker> Third document (Quick Guide) - new guide - Tom and Mark look this week
18:23:19 <tbaker> at next telecon, SKOS COre Spec and Quick Guide
18:23:43 <tbaker> OEP (Chris)
18:23:51 <Ralph> ACTION: Ralph review next version of n-ary relations when it is ready
18:24:05 <tbaker> nary relations draft not yet yready
18:24:25 <tbaker> maybe one week from now - OEP telecon next week
18:24:34 <tbaker> will report back to group - then Ralph reviews
18:25:32 <tbaker> Comment: David not available this past month.
18:25:51 <tbaker> Jerry Hob had agreed to come on as invited expert for Time ontology, but stalled.
18:26:40 <Ralph> s/Hob/Hobbs/
18:26:49 <tbaker> Last thu telecon: current working draft (classes as values) and representing specified values in OWL
18:26:55 <tbaker> decided all notes needed stand'n on how we use vocabulary
18:27:02 <tbaker> we agreed we need a glossary
18:27:03 <Ralph> Ralph: ISI is a W3C Member, so Jerry should simply be appointed by Robert MacGregor, ISI's AC Rep
18:27:08 <tbaker> terms are overloaded - must be clear
18:27:18 <tbaker> guus felt no rush to bring to "note" status
18:27:38 <tbaker> so hold off a bit - should decide by plenary
18:27:50 <tbaker> Ralph: you could ask for reviewers...
18:28:01 <tbaker> Needs another review.  Were already reviewed as working drafts.
18:28:35 <tbaker> Ralph: if not changed in substantial way, no need for further review
18:28:58 <PhilT> Im having big problems with the phone connection..sorry - will stay on IRC for now
18:29:04 <tbaker> Could publish further draft with cleaned-up wording.
18:29:23 <tbaker> If you create that editors draft, then put qst to group "we are ready to declare this final"
18:29:40 <tbaker> Aim at asking this at F2F
18:29:55 <tbaker> Another idea in last telecon: all notes have lots of examples
18:30:06 <tbaker> Maybe publish the example ontologies themselves.
18:30:14 <tbaker> Good idea?  What is the procedure?
18:30:22 <tbaker> Ralph: good idea.
18:30:39 <tbaker> You need NS names, put OWL files there?  Right.
18:30:49 <tbaker> Certainly for OWL Tiem work - need stable place.
18:31:03 <tbaker> Proposed vocab for Nary relations.
18:31:26 <tbaker> Ralph: w3.org should be usable.  Maybe "These are examples" (status comment of some sort)
18:31:49 <tbaker> Procedure?  Go through Ralph - write something into working draft.
18:31:58 <tbaker> Part of the review process will be names chosen.
18:32:16 <tbaker> s/Go through Ralph//
18:32:28 <tbaker> Nary Rel doc still needs work. 
18:32:35 <tbaker> Lots of interest from outside in that doc.
18:32:39 <Ralph> Ralph: suggest picking example namespace names in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/
18:32:51 <tbaker> Idea of capturing Nary rel in lagnauges that do not support it natively
18:32:56 <tbaker> is coming up in lots of places.
18:33:02 <tbaker> Terminology in that doc is particularly problematic
18:33:09 <tbaker> That was motivation for glossary.
18:34:05 <tbaker> Macgregor 
18:34:58 <tbaker> WordNet (Aldo) - nobody here
18:35:25 <tbaker> Aldo sent status message two days ago
18:35:55 <tbaker> XML schema datatypes - Jeremy not here, nobody else either (e.g. Jeff)
18:36:08 <tbaker> Jeremy action to give other groups a heads-up was completed.
18:36:31 <tbaker> At SW COord group meeting last week came up
18:36:58 <tbaker> For F2F, expect TF will want to propose publication of that.
18:37:22 <tbaker> In J's announcement to WGs, says we will be discussing moving to pubn at F2F
18:38:06 <tbaker> Second reviewer?
18:38:41 <Ralph> Vocam Management (TomB)
18:38:52 <Ralph> TomB: all the input I needed is now in except for FOAF
18:39:07 <libby> sorry tbaker... (re foaf vocab missing)
18:39:08 <Ralph> ... I'm going ahead to write a document from the Wiki
18:39:28 <Ralph> ... was helpful to have participated in the PORT document review
18:39:40 <Ralph> ... as we were able to clarify a number of issues that should be taken up in the VM note
18:40:03 <Ralph> ... Alistair has agreed to help
18:40:16 <Ralph> ... target 24 Feb to have a readable draft
18:40:47 <tbaker> RDF and HTML
18:41:12 <tbaker> This is a difficult time-slot for Ben Adida
18:41:27 <tbaker> TF tried to schedule telecon for earlier this week, but not available
18:41:35 <tbaker> No response yet from HTML working group
18:42:01 <tbaker> no progress yet to report except for joint meeting in Tech Plenary wk
18:42:20 <tbaker> ADTF Libby
18:43:02 <tbaker> Qst: can people put up info about application that is not accessible online?
18:43:11 <tbaker> Couldn't see why to rule out, but...
18:43:33 <tbaker> Ralph: TF should be highlighting code that people can use?
18:43:45 <tbaker> Libby prefers online availability
18:44:04 <tbaker> Need to start a discussion on this.
18:44:20 <tbaker> Fabian: giving course on apps and demos and used weblog and saw:
18:44:30 <tbaker> number of links broken.
18:44:35 <tbaker> Libby will check links.
18:45:07 <tbaker> Fabian prepares videos of demos.  Maybe we should save screen-shots?
18:45:21 <tbaker> Libby: maybe just keep things up there that are working.
18:45:33 <tbaker> Maybe note "app is no longer there".
18:45:49 <Zakim> -Andreas_Harth
18:46:24 <libby> "new adopters to help them get going" -- ralph
18:46:54 <Zakim> +??P2
18:47:02 <libby> "application domains where the sw was being used"
18:47:05 <libby> (fabian)
18:47:06 <tbaker> Libby will start discussion.
18:47:07 <Ralph> zakim, ??p2 is Andreas
18:47:07 <Zakim> +Andreas; got it
18:47:46 <tbaker> Topic Maps
18:48:04 <tbaker> Steve sent status report
18:48:10 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0046.html Steve Pepper's RDFTM status report
18:48:37 <tbaker> They hope to have draft ready for F2F
18:48:40 <Ralph> ACTION: guus send msg to RDFTM reminding them to use list for TF work
18:49:04 <Ralph> -- continued
18:49:13 <tbaker> Tutorial page
18:49:34 <tbaker> TomAdams not here, nobody else available...
18:49:59 <tbaker> Discussion of starting to prepare agenda for F2F -timings of specific topics
18:50:05 <tbaker> some people will want to call in
18:50:16 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0053.html Draft f2f agenda
18:50:17 <tbaker> guus just sent out draft agenda:
18:51:42 <tbaker> HTML working group meeting on Thu afternoon
18:52:40 <tbaker> Another item: suggestion that overview of ODM be part of one of these meetings
18:52:50 <tbaker> since this working group is looking at parts of ODM
18:53:04 <tbaker> Ralph pointed out that SW IG might have broader audience as well
18:53:42 <tbaker> R. had asked if Evan could give overview - which meeting do this in?
18:54:28 <tbaker> Lisa might be able to do it Thu-Fri.  Or at least coordinate on slides.
18:54:34 <tbaker> Evan can represent team.
18:55:05 <tbaker> DanBri is SW IG chair - knows of potential agenda request
18:55:36 <tbaker> Mon-Tue might be larger audience - original request was for ODM overview
18:56:21 <tbaker> EM asked to hear about more deployment experience.
18:56:31 <tbaker> Could be part of overview.
18:57:02 <tbaker> Overview in IG meeting; preserve WG time for more detailed issues.
18:57:14 <tbaker> Other business?
18:57:50 <Zakim> -Gavin_McKenzie
18:58:05 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
18:58:05 <tbaker> Plrease register intent to come to F2F...  see you on Feb 24...!
18:58:06 <Zakim> -Fabien_Gandon
18:58:06 <Zakim> -Libby_Miller
18:58:08 <Zakim> -Andreas
18:58:09 <Zakim> -Ralph
18:58:10 <Zakim> -Chris_Welty
18:58:11 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
18:58:12 <Zakim> -Alistair_Miles
18:58:13 <Zakim> -Tom_Baker.a
18:58:17 <aharth> cu
18:58:20 <Zakim> SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended
18:58:21 <Zakim> Attendees were Phil_Tetlow, Libby_Miller, Ralph, Chris_Welty, Evan_Wallace, Andreas_Harth, Alistair_Miles, Fabien_Gandon, +1.650.969.aaaa, Elisa_Kendall, Tom_Baker, Gavin_McKenzie,
18:58:23 <Zakim> ... Andreas
18:58:27 <libby> cheers ralph!
18:58:43 <tbaker> Ralph, I can double-check the rough draft, but
18:59:14 <tbaker> Sorry...
18:59:25 <tbaker> I meant just to fill in
18:59:35 <tbaker> a few things in case
18:59:45 <tbaker> there is a problem interpreting my shorthand
19:00:20 <Ralph> yep, that's what I expected, Tom; thanks.  I'll process the log and mail you the result, which you can then edit to taste and send to the WG list
19:00:38 <tbaker> Fine.  Thank you for the input to the VM draft!
19:01:00 <Ralph> glad to help -- sorry it was so long overdue
19:01:19 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
19:01:19 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items:
19:01:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: guus ask steven pemberton for meeting re XHTML2 meta module [1]
19:01:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/10-swbp-irc#T18-08-36
19:01:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeremy ask natasha to review page 68/69 of ODM document [2]
19:01:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/10-swbp-irc#T18-09-45
19:01:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to review OWL metamodel [3]
19:01:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/10-swbp-irc#T18-10-51
19:01:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Deb to go over OWL metamodel and provide a summary [4]
19:01:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/10-swbp-irc#T18-11-12
19:01:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ralph to make a "List of WG documents" more apparent from the  [5]
19:01:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/10-swbp-irc#T18-17-27
19:01:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph review next version of n-ary relations when it is ready [6]
19:01:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/10-swbp-irc#T18-23-51
19:01:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: guus send msg to RDFTM reminding them to use list for TF work [7]
19:01:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/10-swbp-irc#T18-48-40
19:01:29 <tbaker> Hope to see you in Boston (pending funding)    Bye!