19:11:56 RRSAgent has joined #tagmem 19:12:03 is logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/02/07-tagmem-irc 19:12:19 zakim, this will be tag 19:12:19 ok, Stuart; I see TAG_Weekly()2:30PM scheduled to start in 18 minutes 19:12:28 Hi Stuart 19:13:26 Lo... dinner calls... be back soon... 19:33:38 DanC has joined #tagmem 19:44:55 Norm has joined #tagmem 19:59:15 TAG_Weekly()2:30PM has now started 19:59:18 +Norm 19:59:57 +Stuart 20:00:01 -Stuart 20:00:05 +Stuart 20:01:42 +Vincent 20:01:46 Ed has joined #tagmem 20:01:54 +??P18 20:02:14 Vincent has joined #tagmem 20:02:39 Scribe: Ed 20:02:41 zakim, ??18 is Ed 20:02:41 sorry, Stuart, I do not recognize a party named '??18' 20:02:51 zakim, P18 is Ed 20:02:51 sorry, Stuart, I do not recognize a party named 'P18' 20:03:04 +DanC 20:03:05 +Noah 20:03:19 Scribe: Ed Rice 20:03:19 ht has joined #tagmem 20:03:25 zakim, please call ht-781 20:03:25 ok, ht; the call is being made 20:03:27 +Ht 20:03:40 ScribeNick: EdR 20:04:14 zakim, who is here 20:04:14 Stuart, you need to end that query with '?' 20:04:46 zakim, who is here? 20:04:46 On the phone I see Norm, Stuart, Vincent, Ed, Noah, DanC, Ht 20:04:47 On IRC I see ht, Vincent, Ed, Norm, DanC, RRSAgent, Zakim, Stuart, noah 20:04:56 Title: Tag weekly meeting Feb 7, 2005 20:05:41 Noah_Brisbane has joined #tagmem 20:06:09 Regrets+ TimBL 20:06:54 +Roy 20:07:26 noahm has joined #tagmem 20:07:59 Roy has joined #tagmem 20:08:44 ht_sof has joined #tagmem 20:09:41 q+ 20:09:53 Ed: Next meeting Feb 14th, xml schema team will join 20:10:27 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Jan/0018.html on Extending and Versioning draft findings Dan Connolly (Monday, 24 January) 20:10:39 ACTION: DanC to send note to xml schema team to confirm meeting 20:10:46 HST sends regrets for the joint meeting on 14 Feb 20:10:53 s/DanC to send/Stuart to send/ 20:12:13 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Roy 20:12:17 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ed 20:12:20 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DanC 20:13:09 ACTION: noah and Norm agree to scribe Feb 14th 20:14:07 RESOLUTION: Resolved to accept the minutes of Jan 31st 2005 20:14:20 4 answers so far http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/telweekly/results 20:15:18 ACTION: All Tag members to respond to on-line survey as to best meeting time. 20:16:18 I.e. Monday and Thursday 20:16:48 ACTION: Deadline to respond to on-line Survey is Feb 10th 2005 20:19:16 Topic: Technical Plenary 20:19:29 I'm flexible too. 20:20:08 (I added mon11 and thru11; I sure hope that doesn't screw up the answers already given... I think it does not...) 20:20:23 http://www.w3.org/2005/03/02-TechPlenAgenda.html 20:20:34 (ah; good; it doesn't screw up the extant answers) 20:21:11 (hmm... it might invalidate comments ala "All of the times work for me except ...") 20:24:45 Action: Stuart contact Rich to see if there is room on the panel for session three 20:25:03 Topic: Tag Face to Face 20:25:28 Vincent has agreed to chair/drive face to face 20:25:49 Noah preliminary answers posted on Web Survey. Monday and Thurs 11AM are OK, maybe just a bit less desirable than mid-afternoon, but given our European participants, I'd be glad to do either one. I should say that I have a conflict with this Thurs, 2/10, but I suspect we wouldn't go for another meeting this week in any case. 20:26:24 Also, regarding change of schedule, I note that we seem committed to doing 2/14 with the XML Schema WG, so suggest that any changes be not before then. 20:27:05 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/01/TechnicalPlenaryLiaisons.html 20:27:10 Action: Vincent to send out tentative agenda by next weeks meeting for review and email discussion. 20:27:37 ACTION Vincent: to send out tentative agenda by next weeks meeting for review and email discussion. 20:27:41 FYI: The Core WG now expects it will be valuable to meet to discuss XML 2.0 20:29:27 voice browswer WG is a lunch time agenda 20:30:36 I can attend all of the liaison meetings. 20:32:41 Possible other item to discuss briefly: we've talked about possible Monday dinner. I've offered to make a reservation and thrown one possible restaurant into the suggestion pool. No rush yet, but at some point we'll want to figure out what we're doing. 20:33:16 chairs of the qa working group 20:33:18 Noah, I can make Monday 20:35:11 Noah, I am open on Monday.. open to trying new types of food (or old) 20:35:24 Noah will coordinate and schedule. 20:35:55 Topic: Current Tag open issues list. 20:36:04 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?view=normal&closed=1 20:39:40 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2004/11/openIssues.html 20:40:46 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2004/11/29-30-tag#item_07 20:41:00 ack danc 20:41:00 DanC, you wanted to suggest keeping IRIEverywhere open until we have timbl's questions (http://www.w3.org/2003/04/iri.html) answered and to ask if RF would like to continue "ACTION 20:41:03 ... RF: notify the TAG when IESG has decided on IRI spec and suggest answers to timbl's questions" 20:41:04 Action: DanC to enter actions relative to issues list. 20:42:33 review all; 20:43:17 q+ 20:43:33 namespaceDocument-8: Tim was champion of, the direction we were heading is the suggestion that this be published as a working group note from the TAG along with an action from Paul Cotton to publish a working not. No progress has been made in the last six months. 20:44:09 Action: norm to pick up Paul Cotton's work on namespaceDocument-8 20:44:11 Please continue my action on IRIEverywhere, may be good for discussion at F2F. 20:44:45 q? 20:45:30 ack noah 20:45:44 ack noah 20:45:56 q- sees 20:46:21 (I'm happy to sorta reboot, HT; I'd be happy to review "the original RDDL" (whatever that is; I lose track) if that's what your experience suggests. I think my reason for not liking some version of RDDL was that there wasn't an RDF mapping, when it looked so close) 20:47:07 That's a good reason -- RDDL was supposed to be automatically exploitable, if it can't be mapped to RDF trivially that's evidence that it's not 20:47:14 I'm happy to do a little reboot too, I don't have all the versions in wetware now either 20:47:42 q+ 20:48:12 q+, to volunteer to pick up DanC's toRDF stylesheet 20:48:20 Dan states, the strong signal is that people want this solved in the particulars. If the TAG does not agree, we should respond that we're not going to. 20:48:36 q+ 20:48:59 ack DanC 20:49:48 ack ht 20:50:05 Henry will work with Norm to take up namespaceDocument-8 topic. 20:51:06 Action: Henry to produce a Rdl1 to RDF Style sheet of explain why not 20:51:20 s/Rdl1/RDDL1/ 20:51:33 s/of explain/or explain/ 20:51:37 Topic: httpRange-14 20:52:28 if you use a URI and you use an http without a hash, it needs to point to a network resource (information resource) 20:52:54 other side if you use an http: with no hash mark, it may as well be an html algorithm 20:53:00 there is no consensus 20:54:25 Topic: HTTPSubstrate-16 20:54:42 should http be uses as a substrate protocal 20:55:03 Noah: send email right before the call proposing to open new tag issue. 20:55:17 (SemWeb IG agenda-in-progress makes no mention of httpRange-14 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/interest/meetings/tp2005.html ) 20:57:22 (it doesn't appeal to me that clustering will help. 31 and this new issue seem very different, to me) 20:57:43 Proposal: Noah suggests to take a cluster of these and set them aside for a week to see if we should adress these 20:58:29 substrate 16 is currently deferred. 20:59:15 deferred = until there is new information about this topic we will not discuss further. 20:59:29 Topic: xlinkScope-23 21:00:26 background - where should we be using xlink. 21:01:05 Should be returned to once the xml working group resolves a couple of minor bugs. The xml core working group has committed to doing this quickly. 21:01:53 XLink extensions note from Core WG: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-xlink10-ext-20050127/ 21:02:14 Topic: contentPresentation-26 21:02:27 (I was going to ask henry to take an action re xlinkScope-23 or tell us how it'll get from the /TR/ page to our agenda, but it would probably fall on me to get that into the issues list, and I'm hopelessly behind on that sort of thing, so never mind.) 21:02:46 there was a draft finding from Chris. But it has not been discussed. 21:02:50 DanC, I'll keep it in mind, not to worry 21:03:04 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/contentPresentation-26.html 21:03:12 -> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/contentPresentation-26.html draft finding 21:04:46 Ed asked if we should all review offline and discuss in two weeks during weekly meeting 21:05:22 ah... no, having us "all" review it is the anybody/somebody/nobody pattern. a pattern that works is to have 2 reviewers. 21:06:55 Ed offers to be a reviewer on this topic, will contact Chris. 21:07:33 ACTION: Ed to meet with chris and review/update the document. 21:08:05 Topic: IRIEverywhere-27 21:08:12 already discussed. 21:08:27 Topic: fragmentInXML-28 21:10:22 Note: Chris has an action to write up a resolution, but current status is not know. 21:11:02 Action: Henry to monitor and bring back up when time is appropriate. 21:11:21 Topic: binaryXML-30 21:11:39 a workshop and working group is studying issue, should be complete in March. 21:13:13 the current work-group is mostly made up of people who want a binary xml, the TAG may need to understand and represent the users who want a text xml. 21:16:19 DanC has a process concern, that once they recommend we do a _real_ Binary XML WG, it will go ahead without much/any critical review 21:16:43 Their output will be a Group Note, not a WD 21:18:53 DanC, I'm happy to talk to you about this, but it's Liam and Philippe, not me, who are on point 21:19:08 Ed has joined #tagmem 21:19:18 I'm back. 21:19:27 I have comments on the XBC WDs; if I manage to write them up and send them, I'll let the tag know. 21:19:50 Topic: metadataInURI-31 21:20:07 (ah... now I see the connection to the issue noah proposed) 21:20:21 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Nov/0129.html 21:20:31 Does metadataInUri also relate to the various WS Addressing issues, at least insofar as some are tempted to ask: "why don't you put all those properties and/or parameters into a URI" 21:21:15 Stuart has agreed to continue working on this issue if the TAG would prefer. 21:22:12 Stuart: asks to partner with noah on 31 on an informal basis. 21:23:22 Topic: xmlIDSemantics-32 21:23:42 Norm: this one is the process of wrapping up. The CR draft is expected to be published tomorrow. 21:25:11 Norm: High confidence in closure soon. 21:25:25 Topic: mixedUIXMLNamespace-33 21:25:51 This one and xmlFunctions-34 and RDFinXHTML-35 are grouped. 21:26:35 ack DanC 21:26:35 DanC, you wanted to note we decided the mixedNamespaceMeaning-13 issue had a dependency on issue 42 21:26:54 There is a new compound documents working group working which may be working on 33. 21:27:51 Action: Chair to negotiate joint meeting to review during boston trip. 21:28:55 Topic: xmlFunctions-34 21:30:22 http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/XML 21:30:23 q+ to say that SOAP headers violate functional view of XML, I think 21:31:32 ack noah 21:31:32 noahm, you wanted to say that SOAP headers violate functional view of XML, I think 21:32:04 zakim, bye 21:32:04 leaving. As of this point the attendees were Norm, Stuart, Vincent, Ed, DanC, Noah, Ht, Roy 21:32:04 Zakim has left #tagmem 21:32:14 rrsagent, draft minutes 21:32:23 RRSAgent, make logs world-access 21:32:54 Vincent has left #tagmem 21:59:44 Ed has left #tagmem 22:04:17 rrsagent, by 22:04:17 I'm logging. I don't understand 'by', Norm. Try /msg RRSAgent help 22:04:26 rrsagent, bye 22:04:26 I see 6 open action items: 22:04:26 ACTION: DanC to send note to xml schema team to confirm meeting [1] 22:04:26 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/07-tagmem-irc#T20-10-39 22:04:26 ACTION: noah and Norm agree to scribe Feb 14th [2] 22:04:26 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/07-tagmem-irc#T20-13-09 22:04:26 ACTION: All Tag members to respond to on-line survey as to best meeting time. [3] 22:04:26 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/07-tagmem-irc#T20-15-18 22:04:26 ACTION: Deadline to respond to on-line Survey is Feb 10th 2005 [4] 22:04:26 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/07-tagmem-irc#T20-16-48 22:04:26 ACTION: Vincent to to send out tentative agenda by next weeks meeting for review and email discussion. [5] 22:04:26 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/07-tagmem-irc#T20-27-37 22:04:26 ACTION: Ed to meet with chris and review/update the document. [6] 22:04:26 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/07-tagmem-irc#T21-07-33