IRC log of wai-wcag on 2005-02-02

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scribe: wendy

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chair: michael

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JanMar/0362.html

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agenda+ Finish review of alt text test files http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/checkstatus.html#alttests

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agenda+ Review Fasttrack tests http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JanMar/0341.html

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agenda+ Review proposal to close issues 734 and 739 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JanMar/0357.html

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agenda+ Requirements for checklists & techniques http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-wcag2-tech-req-20050202.html

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agenda+ Action item reminder

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Date: 2 February 2005

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Meeting: Techniques Task Force of the WCAG WG weekly telecon

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WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has now started

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+[IPcaller]

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+??P19

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-??P19

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+??P19

15:01:27 [ChrisR]

IPcaller should be Chris

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+Wendy

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+Alex_Li

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zakim, ??P19 is David

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+David; got it

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zakim, who's on the phone?

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On the phone I see [IPcaller], David, Wendy, Alex_Li

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zakim, IPcaller is Chris

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+Chris; got it

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+??P36

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zakim, ??P36 is Ben

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+Ben; got it

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+Michael_Cooper

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be right there - finishing up another meeting

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-Ben

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+Shadi

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+John_Slatin

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regrets: Alistair Garrison, Don Evans

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ack john

15:17:46 [ChrisR]

test suite status showing Alt text tests: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/checkstatus.html

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[some discussion of the possible ways to group items in level 3 since there is concern about the inability to reach level 3 by following *all* SC in level 3]

15:18:08 [wendy]

zakim, take up item 1

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agendum 1. "Finish review of alt text test files http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/checkstatus.html#alttests" taken up [from wendy]

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+Becky_Gibson

15:19:28 [wendy]

cr: perhaps leave the controversial tests alone for now. the others that seemed to have agreement, accept via straw poll.

15:21:37 [wendy]

wac: had discussed a few, is the next step a proposal? or not enough info to make a proposal?

15:22:24 [wendy]

action: cr will either propose changes for 195, 192, 60 or we'll discuss on list (or call)

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+??P0

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zakim, ??P0 is Ben

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+Ben; got it

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cr: feel that we have decided about 12, 13, 132

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Test 12 - All IMG elements with an ISMAP attribute have a valid USEMAP attribute.

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test12.html

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js: doesn't make sense to have both a server-side and a client-side image map

15:25:56 [wendy]

cr: the technique says to use client-side instead of server-side

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cr: therefore test 12 doesn't make sense.

15:26:25 [wendy]

Test 13 - All links in all client side image-maps are duplicated within the document.

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test13.html

15:27:02 [wendy]

js: dmd did some testing

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cr: 2 people said to kill, 2 said optional

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mc: part of the baseline assumption. therefore, mark as transitional.

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mc: it's a deprecated technique.

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cr: should we dump it?

15:29:17 [wendy]

mc: don't have to dump it, unless dump the technique as well. but we've got a technique for a WCAG 1.0 checkpoint saying, "don't need to do this anymore"

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js: helps people transition (from 1.0 to 2.0)

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mc: needs to be clear it is deprecated

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cr: so 13 stays in for now, but is deprecated.

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wac: later discussion today's agenda to discuss what to do with deprecated techniques/tests

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Test 132 - All active areas in all server-side image maps have duplicate text links in the document.

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test132.html

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js: "available geometric shape" was probably before "poly" added to spec

15:32:08 [wendy]

cr: may need 1,000 text links for a server-side img map

15:33:01 [wendy]

bc: if can't make a client-side map (because too complex), then probaby need an alternative means that text-links may not provide the functionality.

15:33:05 [wendy]

js, dmd, mc agree

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js: if we're thinking it's still possible that someone will need to use a server-side map and that an alternative navigation mechanism is required, need to have something in 2.4?

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mc: map sites are using server-side image map

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js: svg technique

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bc: for 132 - don't want to require text links

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mc: need to mark the technique as deprecated

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mc: 132 is the same status as 13

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action: mc mark technique ssim_textlinks as deprecated and add technique for alt. nav mech for serverr-side img maps (ala map sites)

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kk: if we keep 132, the example is invalid.

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action: cr change the examples in 132

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cr: renaming incidental?

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js: it was "not relevant" - haven't made a formal proposal

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cr: some of the alt-text tests require "decorative"

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cr: can we assume that "decorative" be changed to "not relevant" in teh straw poll

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concern that "not relevant" might not sit well with designers who feel that decorations are relevant to the content. perhaps use "decorative" but provide examples to explain what we mean.

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js: context may matter

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bc: just about any photo will have text in it (e.g., street sign, t-shirt, etc.)

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resolved: moving forward w/using "decorative" for now

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 1 closed

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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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2. Review Fasttrack tests http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JanMar/0341.html [from wendy]

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zakim, take up item 2

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agendum 2. "Review Fasttrack tests http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JanMar/0341.html" taken up [from wendy]

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29 - HTML document has a valid doctype declaration

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test29.html

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mc: syntactically correct, or a preferred doctype

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bc: someone raised an issue

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http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=775

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mc: do any asst. tech use doctype?

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js: would it be an issue in the way xforms are handled?

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mc: likely using namespaces

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cr: suggesting that we dump it?

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mc: just asking questions

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js: these are html tests, html requires a doctype

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bc: then we have to test for everything that the validator tests for?

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cr: the benefits are iffy?

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cr: let the valiator catch it?

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mc: there is a wcag 1.0 checkpoint. if deprecate, would be saying "not important" but we still think doctype is necessary but it's require dby the spec so we don't have to require it.

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http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#idx-document_type_declaration-3

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cr: this is a level 1 requirement

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mc: valid code is level 1

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http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#strict

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wac: xhtml 1 requires both xmlns and doctype

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bc: need to be specific in the test/technique which version of html using?

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js: html 3.2 require doctype?

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mc: do we say don't use anything previous to HTML 4.01

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bg: concern about legacy applications

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mc: could validate 3.2 against 4.01

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http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html32

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bc: 3.2 also requires doctype

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dmd: january 1997 for 3.2

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mc: don't have to worry about. if using 3.2 is before accessibility guidelines, therefore likely to update for accessibility anyway.

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-Alex_Li

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-John_Slatin

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-David

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+??P16

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+John_Slatin

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49 - HTML document has a valid language code

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test49.html

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bc: reads level 1 requirement from 3.1 does not require author to provide lang attribute

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js: my intent (of proposing tha twording) was that author would provide something that automated tools could use.

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wac: why would we have a level 1 requirement that doesn't require the author to do anything?

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cr: not a big deal to require the lang attribute

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js: i18n group thinks it is essential

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mc: encoded in utf-8 and use the chinese characters it could be a japanese document. therefore, need lang attribute.

16:14:49 [wendy]

js: glyphs are different even if the charset is the same. therefore, use the lang attribute for subtle differences in rendering.

16:15:26 [wendy]

dmd: an accessibility issue?

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js: if a japanese reader with a learning disability is seeing chars that are rendered slightly differently than what struggled to learn, increase reading difficulty (even more) for them.

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mc: content lang header is equally valid, html spec requires lang

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js: i18n says difficulties with the header

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action: bc, gv, js talk about GL 3.1 L1 #1

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mc: a valid lang code needs to be valid value

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mc: determining a valid value is difficult b/c the lang codes keep changing

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bc: i18n is clear

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mc: however that list provides for both 2 and 3 chars, other variants

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bc: ever remove anything?

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mc: no

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bc: as long as don't remove, then won't become invalid if you were valid

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mc: could be valid but not pass the validator (if list hasn't been updated)

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discussion about where the list is, how much it costs, how often it is updated, how it is updated

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bc: ref i18n for which lang codes to use

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tutorial: http://w3c.org/International/tutorials/tutorial-lang/

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http://www.w3.org/TR/i18n-html-tech-lang/

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js: gen techs links to

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action: michael add links to i18n info from html techs from specifying lang

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cr: test 48 is the presence test and then the code must be ok.

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57 - INPUT, type of "text", has an explicit label

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test57.html

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118 - INPUT, type of "password", has an explicit label

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test118.html

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119 - INPUT, type of "checkbox", has an explicit label

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test119.html

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120 - INPUT, type of "file", has an explicit label

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test120.html

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121 - INPUT, type of "radio", has an explicit label

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test121.html

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bg: concern about using explicit when spec says can use implicit.

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js: if there is a label wrapped around, that is explicit.

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mc: but the spec calls that explicit

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bg: however, test requires label/for

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js: note the user agent issue...

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mc: explicit or implicit or title

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bg: should be to spec

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js: agree

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cr: another test that discourages

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bc: that's a repair technique

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cr: allowing all 3 methods?

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agreement: allow all three

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action: michael modify techniques to allow implicit, explicit, or title

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action: cr: modify tests to allow implicit, explicit, or title

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116 - B (bold) element is not used

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test116.html

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117 - I (italic) element is not used

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test117.html

16:32:24 [wendy]

bg: they are both in the spec. in techs - have use strong and i. have css techs that say, use css for b and i

16:34:01 [wendy]

http://www.bestkungfu.com/archive/date/2004/05/strongly-emphasizing-semantics/

16:34:47 [wendy]

js: theoretically could modify sound scheme to do something diff for b and strong, however, typically don't hear a difference.

16:39:14 [wendy]

dmd: does XHTML still use b and i?

16:40:54 [wendy]

b and i are not in the latest WD of XHTMl 2.0

16:41:01 [wendy]

dmd: is it an accessibility issue?

16:41:08 [wendy]

dmd: or is it compliance?

16:41:20 [wendy]

mc: think we thought it was going to be a few years ago.

16:41:53 [wendy]

dmd: it seems a little dogmatic, if it's not an accessibilty issue.

16:42:40 [wendy]

bc: if informative, say good advice? at future point, require it?

16:42:45 [wendy]

cr: currently level 1

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mc: level 1 to require valid markup

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mc: a technique that matters about version of html

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bc: checklist will have to depend on html version?

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mc: if xhtml, don't say anything about (validator will pick up)

16:45:18 [wendy]

where is it WCAG 1.0? currently in defn of http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/#style-sheet

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will need to list removed techniques

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action: michael revmoe b/i technique from html techs

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action: chris remove b/i tests

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action: michael look at html techs issues to see if this closes any

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action 10 = ben look at html techs issues to see if this closes any

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action: john check that b/i not used in gen techs for 1.3

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no change to css techs

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agenda?

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174 - Source anchor contains text.

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test174.html

16:49:31 [wendy]

js: source anchor = ??

16:50:31 [wendy]

mc: expand procedure to check for text - currently only checks for img/alt

16:50:56 [wendy]

wac: isn't there another test about this? combine them?

16:51:20 [wendy]

js: this is related, but different

16:51:49 [wendy]

mc: think this is link-text issue, img in an anchoor could be dropped.

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mc: don't remembre outcome of that discussion.

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bc: can you have an object in an a?

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mc: in theory, yes

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bc: should be talking about text equivs in generic sense instead of alt

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mc: need for both - tool will look at anchor or an img, wanted test for each

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cr: do have another test for text (imgs must hav alt text)

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other tests:

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* Alt text for all IMG elements used as source anchors identifies the destination of the link. (test 15)

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* Alt text for all IMG elements used as source anchors is not empty when there is no other text in the anchor. (test 7)

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* Alt text for all IMG elements used as source anchors is different from the link text. (test 175)

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* Alt text for all IMG elements used as source anchors does not begin with "link to" or "go to" (English). (test 195)

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mc: propose dropping 1st 2

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Test 174 - Each source anchor contains text.

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174 says that text for anchor can come from alt-text of img or from text in anchor.

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7 and 15 - not necessary b/c of 174 and 197

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Test 197 - Each source anchor contains text that describes the link destination.

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195 - "the link text"

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instead of restricting to alt-text

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195 - level 2

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mc: currently maps to a level 3

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-Becky_Gibson

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action: someone record issue for mapping the text link tests to success criteria

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resolved: keep tests 174,175, 195 (w/modification), 197. drop 15 and 7

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 2 closed

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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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3. Review proposal to close issues 734 and 739 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JanMar/0357.html [from wendy]

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zakim, take up item 3

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agendum 3. "Review proposal to close issues 734 and 739 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JanMar/0357.html" taken up [from wendy]

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mc: summarizes becky's message

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http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-CSS-TECHS/#number-not-name

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wac: is it an accessibility issue? similar to b and i discussion earlier, you can get the info, but how often do you need it or want it?

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js: must be enough people doing proofreading who get the info.

17:09:31 [wendy]

mc: user agent issue w/the 3 digit hex value

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bc: it's an optional technique, it's good advice

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mc: close the 2 bugs by making optional technique

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action: wendy close bugs 734, 739, remove editorial note from number-not-name, change id of number-not-name, add more info about benefits/flesh out description of technique (e.g., get info from john about proofreading), delete rbg example

17:14:33 [wendy]

zakim, close this item

17:14:33 [Zakim]

agendum 3 closed

17:14:34 [Zakim]

I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

17:14:36 [Zakim]

4. Requirements for checklists & techniques http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-wcag2-tech-req-20050202.html [from wendy]

17:14:41 [wendy]

zakim, close item 4

17:14:41 [Zakim]

agendum 4 closed

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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

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5. Action item reminder [from wendy]

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zakim, take up item 5

17:14:48 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "Action item reminder" taken up [from wendy]

17:14:51 [Michael]

action items list: http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/condensedreports/actionitems.php

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action: michael add actions from today to bugzilla

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action: everyone - please check action item list for those assigned to you

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!action: don't add last 2 action items to bugzilla

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-Shadi

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-Chris

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-Michael_Cooper

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-Wendy

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-John_Slatin

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-??P41

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-Ben

17:16:48 [wendy]

next week: requirements, more tests, checklists

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-David_MacDonald

17:16:52 [Zakim]

WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were [IPcaller], Wendy, Alex_Li, David, Chris, Ben, Michael_Cooper, Shadi, John_Slatin, Becky_Gibson, David_MacDonald

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Present: Wendy, Alex_Li, Chris, Ben, Michael_Cooper, Shadi, John_Slatin, Becky_Gibson, David_MacDonald

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RRSAgent, generate minutes

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RRSAGent, make log world

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zakim, bye

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 15 open action items:

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ACTION: cr will either propose changes for 195, 192, 60 or we'll discuss on list (or call) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/02-wai-wcag-irc#T15-22-24

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ACTION: mc mark technique ssim_textlinks as deprecated and add technique for alt. nav mech for serverr-side img maps (ala map sites) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/02-wai-wcag-irc#T15-38-33

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ACTION: cr change the examples in 132 [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/02-wai-wcag-irc#T15-39-15

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ACTION: bc, gv, js talk about GL 3.1 L1 #1 [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/02-wai-wcag-irc#T16-17-28

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ACTION: michael add links to i18n info from html techs from specifying lang [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/02-wai-wcag-irc#T16-26-38

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ACTION: michael modify techniques to allow implicit, explicit, or title [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/02-wai-wcag-irc#T16-30-58

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ACTION: cr: modify tests to allow implicit, explicit, or title [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/02-wai-wcag-irc#T16-31-07

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ACTION: michael revmoe b/i technique from html techs [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/02-wai-wcag-irc#T16-46-02

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ACTION: chris remove b/i tests [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/02-wai-wcag-irc#T16-46-08

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ACTION: ben look at html techs issues to see if this closes any [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/02-wai-wcag-irc#T16-46-28

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ACTION: john check that b/i not used in gen techs for 1.3 [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/02-wai-wcag-irc#T16-47-43

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ACTION: someone record issue for mapping the text link tests to success criteria [12]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/02-wai-wcag-irc#T17-01-49

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ACTION: wendy close bugs 734, 739, remove editorial note from number-not-name, change id of number-not-name, add more info about benefits/flesh out description of technique (e.g., get info from john about proofreading), delete rbg example [13]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/02-wai-wcag-irc#T17-14-25

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ACTION: michael add actions from today to bugzilla [14]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/02-wai-wcag-irc#T17-15-31

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ACTION: everyone - please check action item list for those assigned to you [15]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/02/02-wai-wcag-irc#T17-15-44