IRC log of tagmem on 2005-01-31

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zakim, please call ht-781
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ok, ht; the call is being made
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+Ht
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zakim, [IBMCambridge] is me
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+[INRIA]
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+noah; got it
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+Norm
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+Roy
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http://www.w3.org/mid/8D5B24B83C6A2E4B9E7EE5FA82627DC9750230@sdcexcea01.emea.cpqcorp.net
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1) The new TAG is effective 1st Feb and it would be good to invite them
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to participate in Monday's meeting.
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- Certainly a welcome
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- Maybe a round of introductions.
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2) This may be for 7th Feb rather than 31st Jan...
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- We have a F2F meeting on 28th Feb. Vincent has agreed (with me) to
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develop the agenda for that meeting.
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It may be an opportune time to discuss what the 'new' TAG would
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most like to achieve from that F2F.
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3) Tech Plenary:
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- Need to nail the scheduling of a F2F session with WS-Addressing.
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Monday seems the 'best' fit, but two options:
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a) Use part of our own F2F (advantage - fullest TAG participation)
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b) 1st thing in the afternoon (but risk loosing TAG members -
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particularly Dan).
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4) TP E&V Panel session...
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Will happen... still in discussion with Paul Downey:
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TAG members (assumed to be interested in participation)
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- DaveO, Noah, Henry, Norm (and Dan)
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- Noah/Henry bring XML Schema perspective too...
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- The session needs a moderator/animateur (Dan? Norm? Stuart?)
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- Need to develop aims/objectives plus etc. could/will involve
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panel particpants from POV what each of them would like to
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accomplish
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with the panel session.
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scribe: Noah Mendelsohn (until Roy shows)
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scribenick: noah
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+DanC
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Meeting: Tag Teleconference of January 31, 2005 (3 PM EST)
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Topic: Attendance
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Regrets: Paul Cotton, Chris Lilley, Stuart Williams
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Zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been TimBL, +1.916.785.aaaa, Ht, [INRIA], noah, Norm, Roy, DanC
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Here: Norm Walsh, TimBL, Roy Fielding, Dan Connolly, Noah Mendelsohn
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zakim, [inria is Vincent
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+Vincent; got it
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New members joining us on the phone: Henry Thompson, Vincent Quint
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topic: Welcome of New Members
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s/Quint/Quint, Ed Rice/
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TBL: I have mostly left day-to-day chair duties to Stuart
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TBL: Reviews some history of group, issues, etc.
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Henry reports Ed Rice is attending by phone.
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zakim, aaaa maybe EdRice
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I don't understand 'aaaa maybe EdRice', Norm
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zakim, aaaa may be EdRice
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+EdRice?; got it
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TBL: Arch doc was just published and we have many new members. This is probably a good time to take stock of where we are, review issues we intentionally left alone before, etc.
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2005Jan/0057.html
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NW: Stuart sent agenda change requests at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2005Jan/0057.html
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+Roy_Fielding
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-Roy
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NW: Didn't have time to integrate into formally republished agenda, but we'll do it on the fly as we go.
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topic: Introduction of existing TAG members
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ack danc
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zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see TimBL, EdRice?, noah, Ht, Vincent, Norm, DanC, Roy_Fielding
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scribe: Roy
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minutes from 24 Jan
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2nd, as ammended
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(for ref http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/01/24-tag-summary.html)
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Accepted minutes from Jan 24, as amended
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scribenick: roy
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(half day monday, I think, Norm)
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Suggestions for F2F Feb 28
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q?
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NM: look at the state of play for our work going forward, think about new findings and bat them around, see what new members think for future work
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DC: RDFinXHTML
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DC: perhaps 1/2 hour
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Ed: Recap of what has been done, set expectations
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Vincent: agrees
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RF: how do we get around to maintaining the TAG pages on a regular basis
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q+
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Vincent: would like to work/think on that as part of co-chair role
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NW: smells a volunteer
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ack timbl
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TBL: TAG is an example of use of tools within W3C that the team supports and in the long term will improve tools available
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1.1 Tech Plenary
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(I read something that suggested the WS-Addressing WG had decided to keep everything in the URI, which is exactly what I wanted, so I'm not sure we need any time at all.)
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ACTION noah to talk to Mark Nottingham about what and how long discussion to take at F2F re WS-Addressing
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ACTION noah: to talk to Mark Nottingham about what and how long discussion to take at F2F re WS-Addressing
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NW: do we have any suggestion for a moderator for panel session?
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DC: does anyone have a 10-20 word summary of topic?
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http://www.w3.org/2005/03/02-TechPlenAgenda.html
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RF: lists Paul Downey as moderator
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NW: sounds fine to me
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NW: any suggestion on how to improve panel focus
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NM: do we have an owner?
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NW: Stuart has been setting it up, but nobody has been assigned ownership
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NM: how about the owner of the TP agenda, do we know who that is?
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DC: I think Paul Downey id on the program committee
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s/id/is/
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/01/TechnicalPlenaryLiaisons.html
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NM: I will work with Stuart for Feb 28 morning schedule/agenda
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Norm: I am at risk for early morning (traffic)
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NM: Liasons are missing people identified as attending the liason meetings
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/01/TechnicalPlenaryLiaisons.html
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Tim and Henry, Ed, Vincent, Noah, Norm will attend 3 March 12:30 meeting with ??
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s/??/Voice Browser WG/
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s/liason/liaison/
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s/NM: Liasons/NW: Liasons/
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and just in case, '
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'cause I'm not sure how the script works
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s/NM: Liaisons/NW: Liaisons/
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2. Technical
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NW: Tech plenary meeting with schema seems to have fallen through, but Feb. 14 joint telcon is still on.
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DC: don't recall us being resolved on the QA response ... oh, looks like we are
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NW: new issues?
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DC: does anyone have the ball to input info on most recent issue?
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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#endPointRefs-47
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NM: at best we need to track what the WS-Aggressing group is doing
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NM: it is an issue of how the parameters get into the URI
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ack danc
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DanC, you wanted to ask about http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/wd-issues/#i001
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TBL: also, whether it is being used as an identifier or just another payload carrier
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s/it/URI/
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NM: concern about exposing aspects of the implementation within the URI
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NM: that is one of the things they are discussing
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HT: I thought the arguments were finely balanced, not obvious which is the straightforward path for doing dispatch, i.e. URI versus properties
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DC: there doesn't seem to be a summary item for what problem is being solved by WSA
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TBL: perhaps object-oriented architecture?
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NM: also information hiding issues
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[more discussion about what people might be thinking about in regards to WSA]
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NW: hopefully our discussion with WSA at F2F will help clarify the issue
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(re ws-addressing usecase/requirements, or lack thereof, I looked at the charter, and it says "standardize the ws-addressing spec")
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NW: Record our official thanks for Paul, Stuart, and Chris for their excellent work on the TAG
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ALL: universal agreement
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DanC, you at least can read the Arch Dom f2f minutes at http://www.w3.org/2004/12/arch-f2f-minutes.html, search for "EPRs and URIs"
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NW: when we last talked about F2F, Chris volunteered to host, need to consider new venue or date?
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NW: also, weekly TAG call, should we change the time?
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NW: Plan time at Tech Plenary to try to figure out a better time for everyone for weekly telecon
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(playing teleconference tiddlywinks in our ftf telcon seems like poor use of time. I wonder if I should set up the WBS form... hmm... not trivial.)
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ack danc
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DanC, you wanted to note IETF/W3C telcon got moved to this week, either Tue or Thu, probably Thu
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DC: contact me if you have anything to pass along to the IETF during meeting
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DanC: Re IETF call -- I've tried to send mail clarifying that it was 3023 I'm concerned about, not 3028, but it's been held by the moderator . . .
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s/DanC:/DanC,/
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NM: maybe we should revisit what parts of E+V belong with TAG and what belongs elsewhere
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yeah, henry. don't worry about it any more.
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thanks
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NW: Feb 7 telcon whould spend time on ??, Vincent will chair that meeting
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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose TimBL
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Ed: volunteers to scribe
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ADJOURNED
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-Ht
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-EdRice?
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-Vincent
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-noah
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-Norm
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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RRSAgent, make logs world-access
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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-DanC
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The XML CG plans to have dinner Tuesday
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-TimBL
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Monday-Thursday mid day is clear for me
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nothing about a dinner, tuesday pm nor otherwise, on http://www.w3.org/2004/12/allgroupoverview.html
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-Roy_Fielding
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TAG_Weekly()2:30PM has ended
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Attendees were TimBL, +1.916.785.aaaa, Ht, [INRIA], noah, Norm, Roy, DanC, Vincent, EdRice?, Roy_Fielding
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I'll take it to Email. I'm going to propose Monday
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Wednesday evening there's probably a reception or something, no?
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monday would be best given our meeting
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I'll send mail.