20:01:22 RRSAgent has joined #tagmem 20:01:22 is logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/01/31-tagmem-irc 20:01:24 zakim, please call ht-781 20:01:24 ok, ht; the call is being made 20:01:25 +Ht 20:01:36 zakim, [IBMCambridge] is me 20:01:39 +[INRIA] 20:01:44 +noah; got it 20:02:11 timbl has joined #tagmem 20:02:12 +Norm 20:02:34 Vincent has joined #tagmem 20:03:25 +Roy 20:04:02 http://www.w3.org/mid/8D5B24B83C6A2E4B9E7EE5FA82627DC9750230@sdcexcea01.emea.cpqcorp.net 20:04:05 1) The new TAG is effective 1st Feb and it would be good to invite them 20:04:08 to participate in Monday's meeting. 20:04:10 - Certainly a welcome 20:04:13 - Maybe a round of introductions. 20:04:15 2) This may be for 7th Feb rather than 31st Jan... 20:04:18 - We have a F2F meeting on 28th Feb. Vincent has agreed (with me) to 20:04:20 develop the agenda for that meeting. 20:04:23 It may be an opportune time to discuss what the 'new' TAG would 20:04:25 most like to achieve from that F2F. 20:04:28 3) Tech Plenary: 20:04:30 - Need to nail the scheduling of a F2F session with WS-Addressing. 20:04:33 Monday seems the 'best' fit, but two options: 20:04:35 a) Use part of our own F2F (advantage - fullest TAG participation) 20:04:38 b) 1st thing in the afternoon (but risk loosing TAG members - 20:04:40 particularly Dan). 20:04:43 4) TP E&V Panel session... 20:04:45 Will happen... still in discussion with Paul Downey: 20:04:48 TAG members (assumed to be interested in participation) 20:04:50 - DaveO, Noah, Henry, Norm (and Dan) 20:04:53 - Noah/Henry bring XML Schema perspective too... 20:04:55 - The session needs a moderator/animateur (Dan? Norm? Stuart?) 20:04:58 - Need to develop aims/objectives plus etc. could/will involve 20:05:00 panel particpants from POV what each of them would like to 20:05:03 accomplish 20:05:05 with the panel session. 20:05:31 scribe: Noah Mendelsohn (until Roy shows) 20:05:43 scribenick: noah 20:05:48 +DanC 20:06:12 Meeting: Tag Teleconference of January 31, 2005 (3 PM EST) 20:06:48 Topic: Attendance 20:07:02 Regrets: Paul Cotton, Chris Lilley, Stuart Williams 20:07:10 Zakim, list attendees 20:07:13 As of this point the attendees have been TimBL, +1.916.785.aaaa, Ht, [INRIA], noah, Norm, Roy, DanC 20:07:57 Here: Norm Walsh, TimBL, Roy Fielding, Dan Connolly, Noah Mendelsohn 20:08:12 zakim, [inria is Vincent 20:08:12 +Vincent; got it 20:08:15 New members joining us on the phone: Henry Thompson, Vincent Quint 20:08:28 topic: Welcome of New Members 20:08:47 s/Quint/Quint, Ed Rice/ 20:08:47 TBL: I have mostly left day-to-day chair duties to Stuart 20:09:05 TBL: Reviews some history of group, issues, etc. 20:09:19 Henry reports Ed Rice is attending by phone. 20:10:16 zakim, aaaa maybe EdRice 20:10:16 I don't understand 'aaaa maybe EdRice', Norm 20:10:23 zakim, aaaa may be EdRice 20:10:23 +EdRice?; got it 20:10:33 TBL: Arch doc was just published and we have many new members. This is probably a good time to take stock of where we are, review issues we intentionally left alone before, etc. 20:11:13 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2005Jan/0057.html 20:12:05 NW: Stuart sent agenda change requests at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2005Jan/0057.html 20:12:27 +Roy_Fielding 20:12:33 -Roy 20:12:43 NW: Didn't have time to integrate into formally republished agenda, but we'll do it on the fly as we go. 20:13:16 topic: Introduction of existing TAG members 20:13:30 ack danc 20:17:19 zakim, who's on the phone? 20:17:19 On the phone I see TimBL, EdRice?, noah, Ht, Vincent, Norm, DanC, Roy_Fielding 20:17:32 Roy has joined #tagmem 20:23:12 scribe: Roy 20:23:30 minutes from 24 Jan 20:23:36 2nd, as ammended 20:23:52 (for ref http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/01/24-tag-summary.html) 20:24:02 Accepted minutes from Jan 24, as amended 20:24:07 scribenick: roy 20:24:24 (half day monday, I think, Norm) 20:24:39 Suggestions for F2F Feb 28 20:25:13 q? 20:25:41 NM: look at the state of play for our work going forward, think about new findings and bat them around, see what new members think for future work 20:26:17 DC: RDFinXHTML 20:26:48 DC: perhaps 1/2 hour 20:27:26 Ed: Recap of what has been done, set expectations 20:27:31 Vincent: agrees 20:28:55 RF: how do we get around to maintaining the TAG pages on a regular basis 20:30:12 q+ 20:30:27 Vincent: would like to work/think on that as part of co-chair role 20:31:00 NW: smells a volunteer 20:31:22 ack timbl 20:32:58 TBL: TAG is an example of use of tools within W3C that the team supports and in the long term will improve tools available 20:33:30 1.1 Tech Plenary 20:36:27 (I read something that suggested the WS-Addressing WG had decided to keep everything in the URI, which is exactly what I wanted, so I'm not sure we need any time at all.) 20:36:38 ACTION noah to talk to Mark Nottingham about what and how long discussion to take at F2F re WS-Addressing 20:36:52 ACTION noah: to talk to Mark Nottingham about what and how long discussion to take at F2F re WS-Addressing 20:37:57 NW: do we have any suggestion for a moderator for panel session? 20:40:48 DC: does anyone have a 10-20 word summary of topic? 20:41:10 http://www.w3.org/2005/03/02-TechPlenAgenda.html 20:42:17 RF: lists Paul Downey as moderator 20:42:26 NW: sounds fine to me 20:42:51 NW: any suggestion on how to improve panel focus 20:43:09 NM: do we have an owner? 20:43:40 NW: Stuart has been setting it up, but nobody has been assigned ownership 20:44:37 NM: how about the owner of the TP agenda, do we know who that is? 20:45:01 DC: I think Paul Downey id on the program committee 20:45:07 s/id/is/ 20:46:11 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/01/TechnicalPlenaryLiaisons.html 20:46:25 NM: I will work with Stuart for Feb 28 morning schedule/agenda 20:47:06 Norm: I am at risk for early morning (traffic) 20:47:46 NM: Liasons are missing people identified as attending the liason meetings 20:48:02 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/01/TechnicalPlenaryLiaisons.html 20:49:25 Tim and Henry, Ed, Vincent, Noah, Norm will attend 3 March 12:30 meeting with ?? 20:49:38 s/??/Voice Browser WG/ 20:49:59 Ed has joined #tagmem 20:50:05 s/liason/liaison/ 20:50:21 s/NM: Liasons/NW: Liasons/ 20:50:37 and just in case, ' 20:50:45 'cause I'm not sure how the script works 20:51:00 s/NM: Liaisons/NW: Liaisons/ 20:52:18 2. Technical 20:52:28 NW: Tech plenary meeting with schema seems to have fallen through, but Feb. 14 joint telcon is still on. 20:53:38 DC: don't recall us being resolved on the QA response ... oh, looks like we are 20:54:02 NW: new issues? 20:54:30 DC: does anyone have the ball to input info on most recent issue? 20:54:55 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#endPointRefs-47 20:56:01 NM: at best we need to track what the WS-Aggressing group is doing 20:56:53 NM: it is an issue of how the parameters get into the URI 20:56:59 ack danc 20:56:59 DanC, you wanted to ask about http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/wd-issues/#i001 20:57:19 TBL: also, whether it is being used as an identifier or just another payload carrier 20:57:30 s/it/URI/ 20:58:25 NM: concern about exposing aspects of the implementation within the URI 20:58:56 NM: that is one of the things they are discussing 21:00:14 HT: I thought the arguments were finely balanced, not obvious which is the straightforward path for doing dispatch, i.e. URI versus properties 21:01:04 DC: there doesn't seem to be a summary item for what problem is being solved by WSA 21:01:51 TBL: perhaps object-oriented architecture? 21:02:08 NM: also information hiding issues 21:02:50 [more discussion about what people might be thinking about in regards to WSA] 21:03:19 NW: hopefully our discussion with WSA at F2F will help clarify the issue 21:03:57 (re ws-addressing usecase/requirements, or lack thereof, I looked at the charter, and it says "standardize the ws-addressing spec") 21:04:10 NW: Record our official thanks for Paul, Stuart, and Chris for their excellent work on the TAG 21:04:28 ALL: universal agreement 21:05:35 DanC, you at least can read the Arch Dom f2f minutes at http://www.w3.org/2004/12/arch-f2f-minutes.html, search for "EPRs and URIs" 21:06:08 NW: when we last talked about F2F, Chris volunteered to host, need to consider new venue or date? 21:06:45 NW: also, weekly TAG call, should we change the time? 21:08:23 NW: Plan time at Tech Plenary to try to figure out a better time for everyone for weekly telecon 21:08:53 (playing teleconference tiddlywinks in our ftf telcon seems like poor use of time. I wonder if I should set up the WBS form... hmm... not trivial.) 21:11:12 ack danc 21:11:12 DanC, you wanted to note IETF/W3C telcon got moved to this week, either Tue or Thu, probably Thu 21:11:57 DC: contact me if you have anything to pass along to the IETF during meeting 21:12:15 DanC: Re IETF call -- I've tried to send mail clarifying that it was 3023 I'm concerned about, not 3028, but it's been held by the moderator . . . 21:12:43 s/DanC:/DanC,/ 21:13:03 NM: maybe we should revisit what parts of E+V belong with TAG and what belongs elsewhere 21:13:09 yeah, henry. don't worry about it any more. 21:13:19 thanks 21:14:16 NW: Feb 7 telcon whould spend time on ??, Vincent will chair that meeting 21:14:28 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose TimBL 21:14:53 Ed: volunteers to scribe 21:15:07 ADJOURNED 21:16:22 -Ht 21:16:24 -EdRice? 21:16:27 -Vincent 21:16:28 -noah 21:16:29 -Norm 21:16:34 RRSAgent, make logs public 21:16:43 RRSAgent, make logs world-access 21:16:51 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 21:17:37 Vincent has left #tagmem 21:17:42 -DanC 21:17:47 The XML CG plans to have dinner Tuesday 21:17:49 -TimBL 21:18:18 Monday-Thursday mid day is clear for me 21:18:32 nothing about a dinner, tuesday pm nor otherwise, on http://www.w3.org/2004/12/allgroupoverview.html 21:18:37 -Roy_Fielding 21:18:39 TAG_Weekly()2:30PM has ended 21:18:41 Attendees were TimBL, +1.916.785.aaaa, Ht, [INRIA], noah, Norm, Roy, DanC, Vincent, EdRice?, Roy_Fielding 21:18:49 I'll take it to Email. I'm going to propose Monday 21:18:59 Wednesday evening there's probably a reception or something, no? 21:19:32 monday would be best given our meeting 21:19:42 I'll send mail.