IRC log of wai-wcag on 2005-01-13
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- RRSAGent, make log world
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- zakim, what conferences ?
- 21:01:34 [Zakim]
- I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM active
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- also scheduled at this time are XML_QueryWG(ttf)3:00PM, WAI_UAWG()2:00PM
- 21:01:48 [bengt]
- zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
- 21:01:48 [Zakim]
- ok, bengt; that matches WAI_WCAG()4:00PM
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- +[IPcaller.a]
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- +Matt
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- zakim, who's on the phone?
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- On the phone I see ??P0, Alan, Wendy, [IPcaller], Mike_Barta, John_Slatin, [IPcaller.a], Matt
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- +??P6
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- zakim, ??P6 is Bengt
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- +Bengt; got it
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- zakim, ??P0 is David
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- +David; got it
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- +??P7
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see David, Alan, Wendy, [IPcaller], Mike_Barta, John_Slatin, [IPcaller.a], Matt, Bengt, ??P7
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- On IRC I see MattSEA, nabe, ChrisR, David, rellero, bengt, RRSAgent, Zakim, wendy, achuter
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- +JasonWhite
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- +??P8
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- zakim, ??P7 is rellero
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- +rellero; got it
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- zakim, ??P8 is Trace
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- +Trace; got it
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- zakim, mute me
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- rellero should now be muted
- 21:04:06 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 21:04:06 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see David, Alan, Wendy, [IPcaller], Mike_Barta, John_Slatin, [IPcaller.a], Matt, Bengt, rellero (muted), JasonWhite, Trace
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- zakim, IPcaller is Chris
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- +Chris; got it
- 21:04:38 [wendy]
- zakim, IPcaller.a is Takayuki
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- +Takayuki; got it
- 21:04:47 [wendy]
- zakim, who's making noise?
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- +[IBM]
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- wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: David (41%), Chris (14%), Takayuki (32%), Bengt (4%), Trace (50%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (3%), Wendy (11%)
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- zakim, IBM is Andi
- 21:05:03 [Zakim]
- +Andi; got it
- 21:05:10 [nabe]
- zakim, I am Takayuki
- 21:05:10 [Zakim]
- ok, nabe, I now associate you with Takayuki
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- zakim, mute me
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- Takayuki should now be muted
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- zakim, who's making noise?
- 21:05:43 [Zakim]
- wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: David (4%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (19%), Andi (26%)
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- zakim, mute Andi
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- Andi should now be muted
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- zakim, unmute Andi
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- Andi should no longer be muted
- 21:06:23 [wendy]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 21:06:36 [Zakim]
- wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: David (5%), Trace (29%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (73%), Andi (10%)
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- zakim, mute Loretta
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- Loretta_Guarino_Reid should now be muted
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- test
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- zakim, unmute Loretta
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- Loretta_Guarino_Reid should no longer be muted
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- +Avi
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- +[IBM]
- 21:09:01 [wendy]
- zakim, IBM is Becky
- 21:09:01 [Zakim]
- +Becky; got it
- 21:10:00 [wendy]
- Topic: text equiv summary
- 21:10:02 [wendy]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JanMar/att-0067/text-equiv-summary.html
- 21:10:06 [MattSEA]
- for avi: http://www.bestkungfu.com/archive/date/2004/05/understanding-semantics/
- 21:10:53 [David]
- wendy will walk through things that seem slam dunk about 1.1
- 21:11:04 [David]
- david is minuting
- 21:11:25 [David]
- Wendy, sent email and text as an attachment
- 21:12:07 [David]
- grouped issues into 5 groups, 1) close easy, 2) some work) 3) need discussion and some elephants
- 21:12:52 [David]
- 170# bugzila advertising, - recommend we stay silent on advertisers leave for polcy makers, think it is handled in 1.1
- 21:13:35 [wendy]
- q?
- 21:13:37 [David]
- gv agregation we may make a comment -wendy had it removed but will put it back in
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- closed 17- bug
- 21:14:00 [David]
- #373
- 21:14:32 [David]
- requested about read aloud using assistive technology rather than screen readed---will close
- 21:14:39 [David]
- #664
- 21:14:41 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=664
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- 21:15:32 [ben_]
- q+
- 21:15:34 [David]
- respond to it buy saying to reviewer, it is beyond us to require that
- 21:15:45 [David]
- gv id this about alt text
- 21:16:10 [David]
- this is about the leap button
- 21:16:18 [wendy]
- s/leap/delete
- 21:16:36 [wendy]
- ack ben
- 21:17:11 [wendy]
- ack andi
- 21:17:18 [David]
- for an icon like garbage can, the alt t4ext shut just say the function rather than a garbage can description...Ben says these discussions should go in General technique. john will note that
- 21:18:08 [wendy]
- ack chris
- 21:18:29 [David]
- Andi...we should close it doesn't belong in our guidelines...gv will respond to say we will recommend the function of the button
- 21:19:15 [wendy]
- ack jas
- 21:19:33 [David]
- Chris .... suggest alt= description but title should say where it was going to go....gv...the purpose of alt text is to be able to remove the images, and have the alt perform the function
- 21:20:28 [David]
- Jason - agrees we should close it....GV will say close it and say ALT should be function based...unless it is complex...then a longdesc
- 21:21:09 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=665
- 21:21:10 [David]
- GV...closes issue
- 21:21:37 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=791
- 21:21:41 [David]
- 665# a screenreader should.....we've changed the example that they complained about..so its ok
- 21:21:45 [David]
- #791
- 21:22:56 [David]
- benefit..."1.1 does not benefit people who cannot read test...Wendy thinks we shold decline make no changes and close issue...
- 21:23:26 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=791
- 21:23:28 [David]
- andi thinks we should not say text equivalents will help people who have trouble reading text...
- 21:23:42 [wendy]
- action: wendy propose a new benefit based on this response
- 21:23:47 [David]
- wendy will propose new benefit based on tis response
- 21:24:53 [David]
- GV says we should refer bugs related to informative over to ediors and save our group time
- 21:25:32 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=890
- 21:25:33 [David]
- Wendy will skip ones about examples
- 21:25:41 [David]
- #890
- 21:25:54 [David]
- guideline leaves no room for null alt
- 21:26:24 [David]
- wendy thinks no change and close issue
- 21:26:34 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=951
- 21:26:40 [David]
- #951
- 21:27:11 [David]
- text equivalents should be easy to use...its a user issue, close issue
- 21:27:50 [David]
- gv: text alternative should be in a standard format
- 21:28:38 [David]
- wendy : should be provided according to spec
- 21:28:54 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1004
- 21:29:30 [David]
- clarify sc in guideline 1.1....its old we have fixed ll the proposed issue, overome by events
- 21:29:58 [David]
- 1024
- 21:30:10 [David]
- covered close..re null alt text
- 21:30:18 [David]
- 1078
- 21:30:25 [David]
- duplcate
- 21:31:07 [David]
- 1082 andi...need a sc to cover when to use alt verses LONGDESC.. when to use each....150 characters....
- 21:32:07 [David]
- wendy thought problem...150 is english, language specific and html specific...close...but must have istances where 1075 get to later
- 21:32:25 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1082
- 21:32:29 [David]
- gv lets cover in techniques and checklists not in sc
- 21:32:40 [wendy]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test3.html
- 21:33:03 [David]
- techniques are wreslting with this test #3 no resolution yet
- 21:33:17 [David]
- 1232 done
- 21:34:03 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1321
- 21:34:11 [David]
- 1321 alt text for graphics should be lower priority...response if alt text is moved it will be done less..let's decline...
- 21:35:02 [David]
- 1322 related to 1321
- 21:35:07 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=404
- 21:35:55 [Zakim]
- -John_Slatin
- 21:36:13 [Zakim]
- +John_Slatin
- 21:36:37 [David]
- #404 proposals for examples...infomative...adopt it...created a table for SC...an example for every SC...#5 don't do an example...not leanding itself...Wendy would like feedback for examples
- 21:37:36 [Zakim]
- +??P13
- 21:37:42 [wendy]
- ack john
- 21:37:43 [wendy]
- ack andi
- 21:38:03 [David]
- people wonder what example are associated with what examples....GV suggests a code, andi says lets figure out how to do itlater but we should do it and associate examples
- 21:38:03 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P13 is Kerstin
- 21:38:03 [Zakim]
- +Kerstin; got it
- 21:38:24 [David]
- 437# informaive
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- 588, 633 informative
- 21:38:57 [Kesh]
- Kerstin just joined -- sorry I am late.
- 21:39:58 [David]
- 587 def of text equivalent...wendy will close 683 and....nothing to discuss yet...
- 21:40:17 [David]
- #666 waiting ofr [roosal about metadata
- 21:40:40 [David]
- 937 more about examples, suggest we go to general techniques with these examples
- 21:41:06 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1079
- 21:41:16 [ben_]
- q+
- 21:41:36 [David]
- 1079# modify "text alternatives...., " propose ...andi thinks irrelevant till we fix 1.1 GV says let's look at it
- 21:42:13 [ben_]
- ack ben
- 21:43:00 [wendy]
- 1079 - can close
- 21:43:22 [David]
- GV says close...if non text is decorative an alt text not required and therefore second sentence is not correct...close it because, it says we need alt for decorative images
- 21:43:39 [Zakim]
- -rellero
- 21:43:59 [David]
- # clse
- 21:44:26 [wendy]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 21:44:33 [David]
- 1207 will be closed because related GV says we can close
- 21:44:41 [Zakim]
- wendy, listening for 14 seconds I heard sound from the following: John_Slatin (9%)
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- 1207 - can close b/c OBE
- 21:45:33 [David]
- GV its clear that it is marked so it can be closed cause current wording covers it
- 21:45:48 [David]
- 1080 close....
- 21:46:01 [David]
- 1104# html specific
- 21:46:05 [Zakim]
- +??P7
- 21:46:17 [rellero]
- zakim, ??P7 is rellero
- 21:46:17 [Zakim]
- +rellero; got it
- 21:46:21 [rellero]
- zakim, mute me
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- rellero should now be muted
- 21:46:33 [David]
- elaphant time!!!!!!!
- 21:46:41 [wendy]
- zakim, mute rellero
- 21:46:41 [Zakim]
- rellero was already muted, wendy
- 21:46:47 [wendy]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 21:46:51 [David]
- the noise isthe elephant
- 21:46:59 [Zakim]
- wendy, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: David (14%), Andi (8%), Wendy (69%), JasonWhite (5%)
- 21:47:08 [David]
- 1075 andi will summarize
- 21:47:08 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1075
- 21:47:25 [Zakim]
- +Alex_Li
- 21:48:14 [David]
- it should be possible to provide a Text alternative that is not associated with the technology, IE, chart and graph, had alt text...but alt is not enough...longdesc should be used or put on the pages or a link to the page
- 21:48:16 [achuter]
- q+
- 21:48:44 [wendy]
- ack jas
- 21:49:13 [David]
- JW : disagree with proposal, about aainst explict content
- 21:50:30 [David]
- person reading who has dsability will not know that the external text is an alternative.. so there will be an explicit assoc copy and an external, very confusing,
- 21:50:43 [David]
- if it is done on a server the issue will go away...
- 21:51:18 [wendy]
- q+ to say, "at least one....at least a label.... is explicitily assoc..."
- 21:51:21 [David]
- GV: agrees
- 21:51:45 [wendy]
- ack ach
- 21:51:46 [gregg]
- q+
- 21:51:48 [David]
- an automated tool may take care of it...erhaps the explcit assoc should be in metadata
- 21:52:34 [David]
- Allan: can be in the same page. long desc pointing to a paragraph below the graph. not a separate page
- 21:52:39 [wendy]
- ack john
- 21:52:41 [David]
- John agrees with Jason
- 21:52:55 [David]
- HPR can find a long desc on same page
- 21:52:57 [wendy]
- ack mike
- 21:53:42 [David]
- Mike agrees with andi, he understands it includes linking to same page is in spec
- 21:54:13 [Kesh]
- q+ kerstin
- 21:54:35 [wendy]
- ack wendy
- 21:54:35 [Zakim]
- wendy, you wanted to say, "at least one....at least a label.... is explicitily assoc..."
- 21:54:43 [David]
- wendyl. propose to both camps: have alt that says has a description. current wording..."maybe say ..."at least one...." play with wording to satisfy both groups
- 21:54:46 [wendy]
- ack gregg
- 21:55:42 [David]
- GV: don't have bits and peices of the description in different places...
- 21:56:15 [Kesh]
- Kerstin: I have to go to another meeting, sorry -- just wanted to put my hand up and agree with Andi and Mike. I agree that we should not create rules for testing facilitation as Gregg is saying, as well.
- 21:56:17 [wendy]
- q+ to say, "in case of svg, are the alternatives always explicit? i.e., the alternative is an alternative view of the data, isn't it? i.e., extracting text, reading order... from the svg data??"
- 21:56:20 [Kesh]
- ack kerstin
- 21:56:27 [David]
- GV let's not create rules just for testing...and besides you can't test if a alt text is necessary
- 21:56:48 [Kesh]
- Bye!
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- -Kerstin
- 21:58:18 [David]
- GV I had a chart, and chart was described below so no need to have a LONGDESC to it cause it will be read twice, we should just make sure that it is easy to find the text alternative
- 21:58:20 [wendy]
- ack andi
- 21:59:01 [David]
- Andi, OK with that, but if there has to be a programatic association, then that's a problem
- 21:59:18 [wendy]
- ack john
- 21:59:21 [wendy]
- ack wendy
- 21:59:21 [Zakim]
- wendy, you wanted to say, "in case of svg, are the alternatives always explicit? i.e., the alternative is an alternative view of the data, isn't it? i.e., extracting text, reading
- 21:59:25 [Zakim]
- ... order... from the svg data??"
- 21:59:26 [David]
- GV: so every image should have a caption and it could be an alt text?
- 21:59:48 [David]
- wendy what about SVG,
- 22:00:15 [wendy]
- ack jas
- 22:00:20 [David]
- Wendy.. no defn of explicitly associated
- 22:01:26 [gregg]
- q+
- 22:01:37 [David]
- Jason disagress cause it should be a machine readable so machine can decide what to do it. disagrees that new technologies will not support it. because our specs can be followed by mfg
- 22:01:54 [David]
- he disagrees with wendy's position
- 22:02:02 [wendy]
- s/wendy's/andi's
- 22:02:05 [David]
- oops andi's postion
- 22:04:08 [David]
- prefers, saying that we put explicit assoc in metadata, HTML does satisfy explicit association ALT text satisfys even if more content alternative is not machine associative
- 22:04:23 [wendy]
- ack gregg
- 22:04:39 [David]
- GV. can'[t just say there is a chart here
- 22:05:37 [David]
- If you have a technology that doesn't associate then does not satify 1.1
- 22:06:13 [wendy]
- ack andi
- 22:06:18 [David]
- If it wasn't necessary to put in the ALT text.
- 22:07:29 [David]
- Wendy....if someone invents new format that brings in benefits, but not acessible, but we provide acessible html version it is the text alternative...to have expicit association necessary then this would not be conforming
- 22:07:39 [David]
- andi
- 22:07:41 [wendy]
- isn't that 4.2? "Any programmatic user interface components of the content conform to at least the default set of conformance requirements of the UAAG 1.0 at Level A plus the sets of requirements (a) through (i) (below) that apply. If the custom user interfaces cannot be made accessible, an alternative solution is provided that meets WCAG 2.0 (including this provision) to the level claimed."
- 22:07:47 [David]
- sub andi for wendy...
- 22:08:27 [wendy]
- ack jason
- 22:09:54 [David]
- Jason...not what's happening in 1.1...just make conformance claim on the html version, rather than saying its a 1.1 issue...an alternative version that meets guideline stands on it s own.
- 22:11:07 [David]
- Wendy: so if I have an image on a page, diecide to leave alt null and put description below..is that conforming
- 22:11:15 [wendy]
- s/Wendy/andi
- 22:11:47 [David]
- GV says no put "Chart...descibed below" in the alt text...because its not a decorative issue
- 22:12:03 [David]
- oopss sorry I have that in my brain your both brilliant
- 22:12:46 [wendy]
- :)
- 22:13:52 [wendy]
- q+ to say "who take action to define 'explicitly associated?'"
- 22:14:32 [David]
- john what would happen if "use title in paragraph" using title element as an alt but
- 22:15:08 [David]
- GV we have closure,,, we must have ALT text exicitly associated but if there is more. text it should be easy to find..
- 22:15:23 [wendy]
- q-
- 22:15:43 [wendy]
- action: andi propose definition of 'explicitly associated'
- 22:16:13 [wendy]
- dmd: it "is must be easy to find" is that testable?
- 22:16:34 [Becky_Gibson]
- sorry, have to run
- 22:16:37 [wendy]
- gv: immediately adjacent, explicitly associated, or longer description explicitly associated.
- 22:16:37 [Zakim]
- -Becky
- 22:16:49 [David]
- thx wendy
- 22:17:18 [wendy]
- we'll need defn of "immediately adjacent" especially if the content can reflow...how code it in case it gets repurposed?
- 22:18:24 [wendy]
- ack jason
- 22:18:38 [wendy]
- q+ to ask, "how to code something to be adjacent?"
- 22:18:50 [wendy]
- i.e., to ensure adjacency
- 22:18:54 [wendy]
- q-
- 22:19:11 [David]
- GV: if its not immediately agascent then it would not confom like text books images are not immediatly ajascent
- 22:19:31 [David]
- spelling adjacent
- 22:20:16 [wendy]
- q+ to say, "propose that we move on to the mapping. wait for defn before more discussion"
- 22:22:18 [David]
- JW: i think we killed the elephant
- 22:22:45 [wendy]
- q-
- 22:22:57 [David]
- Ben will send John the minutes from the bug...ANdi will work on the defintion
- 22:23:44 [David]
- of expicitly association...andi doesn't think the elephant is dead....gredd says we'fe not behind it anymore we are in front of it
- 22:23:48 [David]
- issue 895
- 22:24:17 [David]
- baseline discussion,
- 22:24:39 [David]
- questions about scripts, noscripts
- 22:25:34 [David]
- related to non-text content , and related to 1.1 that wendy has an action item
- 22:26:19 [David]
- gv; uaag if you have a script y0u must do following, but doesn't say must support scripts,
- 22:26:29 [wendy]
- related to defn of non-text content (issue 587)
- 22:27:02 [David]
- UAAG compliance as baseline would say script need not be supported...
- 22:27:31 [David]
- Mat May..but that is the users own fault for not using a browser that supports scripts
- 22:28:06 [wendy]
- gv: UAAG says, if you support scripts, you need to do x, y, z. It does not say, you must support scripts.
- 22:28:24 [David]
- gv: if uaag is baseline we must assume scripts are not accommodated...we would hve to make a special provision in our baseline to accomodate this
- 22:29:24 [David]
- jw; uaag not designed to accept any technology including html???
- 22:30:00 [David]
- the developer makes a decsion on what they will support,
- 22:30:31 [David]
- one way is to recognize uuag does not require speicif technolgy
- 22:30:51 [David]
- content dev. will make those associaitons
- 22:31:39 [David]
- gv:that leaves our guidlines ambiguous
- 22:32:02 [David]
- wendy: in doublin we should expicitlysay our assumption...
- 22:32:37 [wendy]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10/conformance.html#conformance-claims
- 22:33:25 [Zakim]
- -Alex_Li
- 22:34:03 [David]
- this is still in the air....jason have problem with expliit technology..stuff..
- 22:34:34 [Zakim]
- -Avi
- 22:34:48 [Zakim]
- -Mike_Barta
- 22:35:02 [David]
- jason guidleines should not be technology specif
- 22:36:00 [David]
- wendy...we are not oracles but we must say what aour assumptions are,,esp for HTML techniques...ie do we assume scriting is supprted or not,
- 22:36:18 [David]
- Jason : the content author should e allow to assume what they want
- 22:37:05 [David]
- GV this is a hydra and we will come back to it
- 22:38:23 [David]
- wendy is working on 1.2 and we will come back to it
- 22:38:53 [David]
- thx everyone and we are closing....
- 22:39:19 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 22:39:26 [wendy]
- Scribe: David
- 22:39:30 [wendy]
- Chair: Gregg
- 22:39:35 [wendy]
- Meeting: WCAG WG telecon
- 22:39:39 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 22:40:38 [rellero]
- Bye
- 22:40:38 [Zakim]
- -Andi
- 22:40:40 [Zakim]
- -John_Slatin
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- -Wendy
- 22:40:41 [Zakim]
- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 22:40:42 [Zakim]
- -Trace
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- -Bengt
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- -David
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- -Alan
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- -JasonWhite
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- -Chris
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- -Takayuki
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- -rellero
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- -Matt
- 22:44:38 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
- 22:44:39 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Alan, Wendy, [IPcaller], Mike_Barta, John_Slatin, Matt, Bengt, David, JasonWhite, rellero, Trace, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Chris, Takayuki, [IBM], Andi, Avi, Becky,
- 22:44:41 [Zakim]
- ... Kerstin, Alex_Li
- 22:45:32 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 22:46:30 [wendy]
- Present: Alan, Wendy, Mike_Barta, John_Slatin, Matt, Bengt, David, JasonWhite, rellero, Gregg, Ben, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Chris, Takayuki, Andi, Avi, Becky, Kerstin, Alex_Li
- 22:47:29 [wendy]
- Regrets: Yvette, Roberto Castaldo, Sailesh
- 22:47:31 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 22:48:44 [wendy]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JanMar/0086.html
- 22:49:02 [wendy]
- Date: 13 January 2005
- 22:49:06 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 22:49:51 [wendy]
- david - thank you for minuting!
- 22:55:44 [Andi]
- bye Wendy
- 22:55:53 [Andi]
- have a good weekend!
- 22:56:03 [Andi]
- Andi has left #wai-wcag
- 22:56:42 [wendy]
- zakim, bye
- 22:56:42 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #wai-wcag
- 22:56:48 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 22:56:48 [RRSAgent]
- I see 2 open action items:
- 22:56:48 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: wendy propose a new benefit based on this response [1]
- 22:56:48 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-wai-wcag-irc#T21-23-42
- 22:56:48 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: andi propose definition of 'explicitly associated' [2]
- 22:56:48 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-wai-wcag-irc#T22-15-43